[000:00:00;00] kovalenko is a priest of the orthodox church of ukraine, the rector of the open orthodox university of st. sophia of wisdom, who , as i now hope to see him . and i have many questions for him , mr. igor. and maybe not even once, but it is important for the 155th time to say the head of the so-called uoc mp of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate onufry did not accept the priests who asked to break with the russian they came to the orthodox church, they didn't open the door, they didn't come in, they didn't talk, what would that mean? listen, well, no, i don't understand. i understand that the church is always very conservative. what are the reform changes

? times are weighed, but here it is obvious that the country is waging war 90%, well, okay, let it be 85 although i think more than 90 understand who the enemy is, they understand that this is a link of the enemy, this is the uoc mp and the head of which congregation, as i always thought, it is important not to let in people who say at least consult they are not wanted they didn't come with a gun, go over there or renounce , and they came, let 's go, they can have such arguments. we have, maybe he has such fantastic arguments . what did you say? they have an interest in the so-called uoc mp to support the flock to continue the service of god and so on. simple things, what do you think, yuri?

well, maybe they want to keep the flock that finances or remain faithful to those whom they consider their great mistresses and the fathers, that is, the priests, once again tried to push the ship of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate to a complete rupture. moscow's reaction shows that no one is going to take serious steps than that. and waking up in a new reality may be a form of escape from reality , perhaps it is a form of religiosity, but it is

definitely not the best form of managing this organization, that is, metropolitan onufriy is confidently leading this ship to marginalization. well, maybe even society wants this, so he unconsciously plays along in this way so that no one even doubts whether he is actually performing tasks or whether his interests are trying to be protected by the modern leader of this churches. he certainly considers it his task to keep the corporation, to keep only those who are faithful. and those who have critical thinking think that the offer of some kind of bringing money is probably more important than those who come for advice like to their father, ladies, but you know, i'm a journalist, for me information plays such a serious

role and i always say that when someone is a minister , deputy, president, prime minister, it doesn't matter, he doesn't explain, it means there is a systemic error because when i do something and they ask me what are you doing i can say i'm doing it for this here is my road from point a to point b here i believe that this is how you will criticize me ha no this is the wrong road come on ok, let's discuss when they are silent when they are not when they are not when i would you know i am so insidious i am ready to listen to anyone if there is logic, maybe that nufria has what kind of evil , then give it to me maybe i will immediately renounce the orthodox church of ukraine and say that i now see that logic is iron, and i see that yes, they are right, well, this is a chance for me, and they don't even give me a chance. i don't see the discussion

. onufriy just left. he said, i am not leaving the patronage of moscow because one two three four five six seven eight 17:45 okay, but there's no reason why they mean they are some kind of spies, because we are the huns, they don't tell anyone anything. well, i think that they have experience of cooperation even with the kdb , and it is necessary to find out whether they have any connection with the fsb. by the way, the closest entourage of metropolitan onufria is already under the sanctions of metropolitan antony, who is in charge of affairs under the sanctions of the closest chernivtsi bishops, who are also in charge of external church relations there, under the sanctions of vladyka pavlo, in general , in the pre-trial detention center, that is, the whole environment in a certain sensipicenter, as far as

metropolitan onufriy himself is concerned, we see that from at the beginning of his tenure as the head of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, he chose such a position not to communicate with society, not to communicate with the media, in principle, not to communicate with the state, in a certain sense, he considers everything to be aggressive and hostile environments, he professes a certain such and such a sectarian fundamentalist worldview, we are surrounded in a fortress, our task is to stand around the enemies, everyone is around the enemies, and therefore we somehow have to survive all this , somehow survive somewhere there to fight, but yes so that he does not aim at harming himself and continues to engage in things that are probably more interesting to him, communicating with the one with whom he wants union, all through prayer with the one with whom he wants to pray, and at the same time, it would be nice to see

in the picture also use the monuments of ukrainian history and culture, and here there is probably a certain collision and no solutions that would show that a person wants dialogue, that he has at least some vision of a way out of this crisis, we do not see. maybe they continue to wait, wait for something an important question. sorry for interrupting, but look at the ukrainian orthodoxy, there are options for actions and you can go to the pts, you can have something and and that is, and if you are a healthy part of orthodoxy, you have a place to go, how to recover. yes, okay, so

let's call it a hospital. do you think russian orthodoxy has healthy forces in russia, because i am not an expert, but i absolutely have the feeling that this church may not exist in literally 5 years because it is simply a betrayal of christianity, and russian orthodoxy is anti-christianity but is there any water there? seeds that can then something grow into something like that well , conscious, normal, human, uh, i'm not sure about that. we see that the system reproduced itself, built, protected, and, by the way , destroyed those who didn't need the same thing , this is oleksandr amenya. x yes, the same hleb as the horse of other priests. that is, the system there was built from the beginning by the state by its special services, and as a result, the person who was at the service of these special services and headed the entire church, that is, and

builds it, continues to build it until now i think you should say that the fall of this colossus on clay feet, which is not built on the stone of faith on the cross, should be as loud as the fall of the russian putin regime. and you know that they both have a place in the temple of war that they built right there the nuremberg trial must take place over him. but in order for it to take place in russia, there is a regime, and if the regime has lasted for 5 years, you say that everything has collapsed in five years , the state regime must collapse, because in fact the russian church is one of the columns made of props from scraps yes how they like to say that this regime's healthy christianity is probably now either deep underground, marginalized, or standing in pickets, sometimes in solitary confinement, and where are the people who are now

in prisons, under trial, there are people who left, but this is still history of russian orthodoxy, and it seems to me that it is so alive, you know, what can be revived . yes, it seems to me that a certain restoration of the connection of these groups, which, after all, do not want to be in the moscow patriarchate in the form in which it is now being built with the connection with the universal polish orthodoxy was abolished patriarch and then it was possible as it was at the beginning of the 20th century, remember the russian orthodoxy , which was in unity with the universal orthodoxy , berdyaneev, he is a kyivan, yes , bulgakov, there, mindorf, schmemann, afanasyev , that is, even the original theology appeared , but this is not the theology inside the rpc, this is the theology of russian theologians whom the soviet authorities threw out of the country and put them on the

philosophical steamship together with philosophers and , er, threw them out now, part of the russians will also throw them out if they are looking for unity between themselves and the unity of universal orthodoxy. maybe they will succeed in doing something later in russia in the early 90s - it didn't work out, even though they returned, but all the time these people were considered almost semi-orthodox there, almost religious, they were not taught in spiritual schools read the same serhiy bulgakov, as he was a sub-donal from the moscow patriarch, e.e. serhiy strigorodskogo, and he remained. question we literally have a minute, and this is an important question, but it is so speculative, i will immediately confess to kirill, it was alexiy, it was believed that

alexiy was a more conscious type, but then putin was still weak, the question, if alexiy had stayed , he would have turned into kirill, when putin became strong, he began to command and the church and the army, the kgb and the ministry of internal affairs and everyone in the world. that is, this is the fate of the russian church that anyone at the top immediately becomes the head, and the church already becomes such a controlled controlled system. yes, i think you know that system. it is ruthless and i i don't like conspiracy theories. but one of the versions is that the same oleksii, although he was not sick, but let's say so, uh, uh , he could still live. we need it, they can er organize it, we see that they have other formats

of political er and or politically motivated murderers or removal of people, i think that they have no priority before the church, they manage it in the same way like others . thank you very much, yuriy kovalenko, the priest orthodox church of ukraine, rector of the open orthodox university of st. sophia of wisdom. thank you. now there will be an interview. there will be an interview with our yuri fizer who will talk to john bolton, so i could even say something without this occasion . but i think it is better to listen to two intelligent people. it will be about 15 minutes. john bolton, i will remind the national security adviser of the 45th president of the united states, yuri fizer - this is just a journalist, an internationalist, who tells us what is happening in the world in our country.

i.e. espresso so we give the floor to mr. yuri, who will interview mr. john. greetings. my name is yuri fizar. and this is an exclusive interview on the espresso tv channel. today's very important person is the national security advisor of the 45th president of the united states of america, ambassador john bolton from with him i will talk , obviously, about ukraine, about the war that russia started against us in february last year , about the help we receive from the united states of america, maybe about china, in a word , the conversation will be very interesting, stay with us you see i congratulate you mr. ambassador and thank you for joining us you see first of all i want to thank you for the opportunity to talk with you and ask you a few questions it is really a great honor for me today we will talk about ukraine about the war that russia

started in february last year about the united the united states of america and maybe china, but let's start with russia, and more specifically with putin, mr. ambassador, in your opinion, what does putin really want for a new territory, or maybe he aims to destroy the entire ukrainian nation? i'm glad to be with you. i think that he wants to recreate the russian empire at least as much as possible, he talked about it back in 2005, when he first declared that the collapse of the soviet union was the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century, and i believe that this is a russian nationalist approach. he is not talking about recreating the soviet union. he is talking about a great russia only, without ukraine, his dream will be incomplete, despite his other goals

, ukraine remains the most important and he definitely continues to pay a terrible price in terms of russian victims, that's why i don't i think he is ready for negotiations. at this stage, too much is at stake from the point of view of his own administration, he will go to negotiations only when he has no alternative. a lot depends on the course of the conflict and what the current ukrainian offensive will turn out to be. he wants to be written down in history as volodymyr the conqueror, yes, there are many theories about russia, about its uniqueness , about eurasian russia, slavophilism. i

mean a whole series of things that today the heads of many people got mixed up in the kremlin if it was when he visited moscow several times when he was a national security adviser, such things sound old-fashioned, as if from the 19th century . but i think that this is what they really believe , this is also what led to the invasion and annexation of crimea in 2014, and the lack of an effective response from the west encouraged putin to move on . georgia, finland and sweden's accession to nato show that the best guarantee of security that one can have is membership of nato. therefore, we could not deter russia both

then and at the beginning of last year. we did not make enough efforts to convince the kremlin that the reaction of the west will never be the same as in 2014, we hear from some western leaders that the world is tired of war , is it really true that there are people in the usa and europe who from the very beginning did not want to help ukraine , they did not change their minds and there are those who wanted would take advantage of the stalemate on the battlefield to say listen this war has been going on for long enough let's declare a truce and negotiate the problem with that approach in my opinion it's pretty obvious putin will leave behind the piece he managed to snatch rest will regroup come back in a few years and try to swallow all

that is left that its goal is to restore the full sovereignty if the territorial integrity of ukraine if this is our goal we must move on and win the war only then we will be able to discuss some details with russia since you already mentioned nato so what do you think about the recent decision regarding ukraine at the nato summit in vilnius, to me it looked like a repeat of the decision of the bucharest summit in 2008 in that ukraine will eventually become a member of nato on the basis of ukraine left the entire zone between a full member of nato and the fact that it still has a border with russia, such uncertainty provokes russian aggression, and we have already seen it. we saw this in moldova and in the caucasus. we saw it in the tragic this has not been seen in central asia. this has already happened twice in ukraine. of course, the difficulty lies in the fact that

russian troops are on ukrainian territory. this is not ukraine's problem, it is nato's problem, because they have never hosted a country in such a situation before, so i would like them to avoid public disagreements between allies. i consider us allies to be the best way to solve this issue, however, this is already in the past . i think that the real issue is to demonstrate to russia militarily that we are friends of ukraine and that ukraine itself is determined to win the war, which means the return of russian troops to their border, which has been there since the collapse of the soviet union, and one more question about nato and the fact that ukraine will one day become a member of the alliance, many always say that the doors of the alliance are open to everyone in the world, especially to ukraine, and that

ukraine will become a member of nato when it meets the requirements. when do you think it will happen, how many years will it take when ukraine will really become a member of nato, if we could bring this war to a successful conclusion, it it could happen immediately, many people said, including the biden administration, that ukraine needs to improve the situation with corruption and democracy, which we all probably need to improve, george bush jr. believed that ukraine was in that situation back in 2008, i think that is correct, i think there are no other prerequisites, we need to win the war and then ukraine will join the alliance, there are many calls for negotiations with russia, and who is saying this, do they want to save putin or ukraine

? they care about their own interests first i think that there are people in the european union who wanted to turn the page and return to normal commercial relations with russia. i myself do not understand how this is possible, but i think that putin has a political strategy that is focused on deadlock on the battlefield. he knows that germany, france or the usa have many people who really don't care how the conflict ends and who would be ready to give up ukrainian territory, be it crimea or donbas or something else, why should foreign territory bother them at all, they want to return to business in russia but i think it is also difficult now because of tangible evidence that chinese friends of russia are buying russian oil and gas, laundering russian money through the opaque chinese financial system, these days at your seminar, ms. we heard from the french national security adviser , once my colleague emmanuel bonna, what do they

think that china is actually supplying weapons to russia, contrary to its public statements, if these are not even complex weapons complexes, then they are definitely drones, so in reality it is not simple a war with russia is a war with china and that is why so many asian countries taiwan south korea japan are focused on what is happening in ukraine i wanted to ask a question about china a little later but if you have already started talking about it, does china want this war to continue happened the fact that we witnessed the end of the post-cold war period, when the sizzenfin visited vladimir putin in moscow a few months ago , they really formed a new axis and it is fair to call it that way, where china

is the senior, russia is the junior partner, it is about that the idea of ​​demarcating regional conflicts has remained in the past, who in the context of russia's attack on ukraine or the usual we hope to avoid china's attack on taiwan, they act together and that is why i believe that both in nato and in europe and in the indo-pacific region we must think about a response to the threat from side of the axis russia china we must think more comprehensively what is happening between russia and ukraine is not limited to relations between russia and ukraine the influence is felt throughout the russian-chinese perimeter unfortunately mr. ambassador let's talk about donald trump, the 45th president of the united states, i read your book, the room where it happened, memoirs from the white house, and i really liked it. in this book, you talk about president trump and mention that very often , he did not have any plan of action. so he

wanted a specific period there. time if we talk about trump and ukraine, recently the 45th president of the usa repeated that he wants to put putin and president zelensky at the negotiating table, that is, he will say something , do something, and in 24 hours peace will come according to your opinion, according to a person who knows very well president trump, will he be able to put an end to the war, no, i think that trump's similar show offs are a demonstration that he doesn't really understand the nature of this conflict and didn't understand its very beginning, probably the russians and ukrainians can agree on a few things now , but i think we will all agree that the war cannot be ended in 24 hours, i put no. unfortunately, it is too complicated and all this will have to be solved by military means, both within the framework of the direct conflict and for

longer peace and security in europe and in general world so one of the many concerns about trump becoming president again is that he simply does not understand what is at stake in this war and therefore cannot fully appreciate the implications of the ideas he may have about how to end it ie when he says that will sit zelenskyi and putin at the table, negotiated, that's just everything blah blah yes, because he has no idea what they will say or even show up and this is very dangerous for ukraine, everyone noticed trump's fascination with authoritarian leaders such as all zenpin vladimir putin kim jong-un and i am very worried that trump's misunderstanding of history leads to the fact that he thinks that ukraine is really in one sense or another a part of russia, so what difference does it make if it loses some part of its territory

of course it is not the same ukraine is behaving for very good reasons, but the facts, history, and reality don't really bother trump , but if he is elected president of the united states next year, is it possible that he will stop or at least limit the support we receive from the united states of america of course, there is a possibility and it is worth worrying about, listen, it is also very likely that he will try to withdraw the united states from nato, which will have enormous consequences , so in my opinion, as a republican in the united states , it is important that he is not nominated by our party , thereby eliminating the risk that he can to become president in november next year, is it possible that he will still be nominated , yes, it is possible that he is currently leading the polls, but

it is still too early to make predictions, however, you cannot defeat someone with anyone, and there is no other candidate who could beat trump. we do not have there is still a long way to go on this, many people are working on it, so it is still written with pitchforks in the water. i hope that the republicans will be successful with the candidate in the next presidential election, and my last question to you , mr. ambassador, is where are the resources, does the united states have resources to help ukraine because often representatives of both the democratic and republican parties claim that the united states of america is running out of resources, we have not run out of resources according to public records regarding the supply of, for example , javelin anti-tank missiles, we have already transferred about 40% of our total arsenal, this shows that

we will have to work hard to restore our defense base compared to what it was during the cold war, when the soviet union collapsed , people said it was the end of history, we have a peace dividend but we are chronically lacking budget funds for defense, so i will warn about such a problem so that it becomes clear to our citizens now, it gives us time to correct the mistakes we made and also to continue supplying weapons to ukraine and, if necessary, to ivan and others countries that may need help, thank you very much. thank you to all americans for the help we receive from them. thank you to the american government for your help and support, mr. ambassador . it was very nice to talk to you. thank you for joining me today. thank you for the invitation. in this case, you and i should not lose heart and everything will work out for you, thank you very much for this, today in an exclusive interview on the espresso tv channel

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