[000:00:00;00] it is up to the borders of his country and if a hybrid war starts on the territory of a nato member country, how do you think the alliance should react? putin must understand, even as a war criminal, that the alliance maintains unity , stability and determination, and it has the support of all its member countries if one member nato will be attacked if the foot of a russian soldier steps on the soil of a member country of the alliance. then russia will immediately be at war with all the countries that are members of the north atlantic alliance. well, i

understand that, but i am asking specifically about the hybrid a war when it will not be possible to present direct claims to putin. this is not quite a hybrid war, it is a primary invasion of a sovereign state on a european state, and we must keep in mind what we say about a sovereign state that is a member of the council of europe, and how and when russia and was a member of the council of europe. that is, we must understand that we are not talking about a hybrid war as such

. it is possible to allow this to happen in politics, there are a lot of new people , but you are a person with a lot of experience, you remember how the relations of great britain developed , first with the soviet union, then with the russian federation, where was the underestimation of the danger, at what point did it happen that the west missed the aggressive intentions of russia, shaft and we all play together, they mentioned my experience and you are right. i think that sometimes they talk quite interestingly about such old-timers, but i want to say that i remember what was the reaction of russia

to the freedom of hungary in 1956 they tried 24 around them tried to overcome the representatives of the hungarian government at that time and in fact they succeeded. i also remember the revolution in the czech republic and we saw what the struggle for freedom was like there, it was also suppressed. i also remember the freedom with which other representatives tried to get it too efforts in czechoslovakia, they also fought for freedom then and i remember it all with my own

eyes and in fact i had the opportunity to be there and it was for me it was such a privilege for me and i also consider the meeting with your president zelensky a privilege i consider him an extremely brave person who will not give up, these are people who will continue to fight for their freedom for your freedom, and therefore we have a duty, in my opinion, as an old-timer, to support you to the end, and yet if we return to my question already in the times of the russian politicians, when russia was modern, don't you think that the governments of great britain relied too much on the possibility of cooperation with its leadership, at least already when vladimir

putin became president, a lot was clear, so really then there were hopes that it was possible that democracy would be able to grow in russia, and really great hopes were based on this . and i also even visited moscow. i was impressed in a positive way. i felt that ordinary people really felt this freedom, but this freedom was very quickly and firmly closed to her oxygen, unfortunately, now it all happened before the eyes of western countries, and it is our shame that we did not react faster, more powerfully, more decisively to the annexation of crimea in 2014, and unfortunately

, now we have to have this wisdom so after as something has already happened, but unfortunately we did not take decisive steps , then i see your speech in the house of commons in which you said that russia's membership in the security council of the united nations should be terminated, but the question arises. how can this be done practically, you can propose it to your colleagues, but how to propose this to the security council. i think that it is really very important to convey messages to the house of commons or to the un security council. we must now command not just one person, but the entire regime, and the regime that is not only waging

an illegal war, it has been waging a long, long time. various horrors, in particular in relation to the people of ukraine. all these war crimes and the like , we know that this is a red line that was crossed a long time ago. your other speeches are precisely about the question of how relations between the united states and the former soviet union should be improved. unfortunately , we did not achieve what we wanted, but we

are trying to learn the lessons and understand when it was, unfortunately, now a little too late to talk about what might still happen, then i am talking about the exclusion of the soviet union as a betrayal of security. and tell me, serodzhie , how do you see ukraine's path to nato realistically ? that it is impossible to accept our country during the war, well, this is what many say, but then what is the path of ukraine to nato and how to make sure that the war ends if russia is doing everything possible to , uh, it continues precisely in order to prevent the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine i am not a diplomat. unfortunately, i hope that you will understand more than what i am trying to say during the current interview. i am a politician

. of course, we all have a choice. if it were up to me, i would have accepted ukraine into nato long ago, but we now understand about objectively, unfortunately, a country that is in an active phase of hostilities cannot be included in nato, this is a reality, and when we talk about what is at stake, and at stake is the expansion of the theater of hostilities in another territory of the european union, and even with the prospect of a scenario of application non-conventional nuclear weapons, and therefore, taking into account what you are actually asking about what the road will be for ukraine , now we are not only talking about ukraine, we are also talking about georgia, which is already on the threshold of a threat to the

balkan countries, and bearing all this in mind, and in general, when we are talking about the whole concept of democracy, it is now at stake, and that is why i continue to talk about what we are now fighting, fighting together with your president zelensky, with your ukrainian people, with your armed forces, but also with your children, women, with those who today suffers in the name of democracy during such a terrible, brutal, brutal war of attrition, and that is why i want to say that we cannot think now about how ukraine, now in a state of war, can be accepted into nato. unfortunately, this is not possible, but what we can do

we have already spoken, we have opened our arms and we are waiting for ukraine, when the russian invasion of ukraine began. you called for the expulsion of all citizens of the russian federation from your country. for our viewers, this may be some kind of news, but this is such a radical recipe. do you think it is appropriate? in fact, my call was not supported and the sun showed me that you can’t just persecute people , it ’s irresponsible.

the responsibility of those people who have their money in london banks, we know that sometimes london was called london, london hail, these are the people who laundered their money, their children who studied in our private schools before i have drops for them sympathy of some kind and they, they carried out such activities and they now, if they have some courage , for example, they should tell putin clearly, even if their reputation and all their money are at stake, they should tell him to stop, they should have spoken out against it, we do not condone it, this is what the message would be to be from those who live in london to the kremlin where putin is currently hiding, but what happened was that they did not decide to do so

, they are hiding, they are silent about the war, they are walking, we are walking the streets of london and other european capitals and unfortunately, there are really too many rich russians who stole money from ordinary ordinary russians, stole russian resources for their own enrichment, for the sake of the well-being of their children, so sometimes people can tell me that we should persecute children now, but i would answer no, we should persecute russian children, this is it they are responsible and the russians are rich russians it is on their shoulders this responsibility is not me if they understand that what is happening in their country is wrong they themselves must be

are ready to speak out against this and there are such individual russians who do so, well, former prime minister borg johnson recommended to give the title of pen to one of these russian rich people, whose father, a billionaire, was even an officer of the foreign intelligence service of the russian federation, shouldn't we feel sorry now about such decisions in my opinion. sometimes it happens that people like uh, like johnson . i think that the opinion of the former prime minister is different

. it's a pity in principle. to what extent do you now consider the level of support of great britain to ukraine to be real? to what extent is it sufficient in your opinion? let's say what should be changed in our cooperation . maybe here we need just the road from ukraine to great britain. we see. i think it is the warmth with which president zelensky was greeted in your instar this year when i had the opportunity to meet him. she is very warm . we congratulate him, we respect him, your country, your people, because you are leading this fight, this connection between our current prime minister

sumnik and president zelenskyi is very strong, take care of ukraine! for example, by arming and training ukrainian soldiers, which they do not need, and i understand that president zelensky would like more modern weapons, missile complexes, but we say that we are currently training ukrainian aviators who will later feed the f-16 fighter, so i think that such support will be

gradual not only about tank equipment whether the provision of fighter jets is about a comprehensive approach about repair work about technical equipment about delivery and logistics , all this is important, but now we are really trying to do what we can in the shortest possible time and therefore i hope that our prime minister really does everything possible and impossible in order to give ukraine what it understands, and that is why i am speaking now. of course, i am speaking personally, this is my opinion, but i am convinced that we really support you completely, we share all these values ​​that you profess. and what you want to achieve, we really with you and it is so so so solidarity with ukraine will be not only during the war but also after the war ends we must really use all the frozen

russian assets so that these funds both in great britain and around the world are directed specifically to reconstruction ukraine , for this we need to end the war, i want to ask you this, roger, as a former experienced journalist, are you satisfied with the way this war is covered or are you satisfied with the way the western world today opposes russian propaganda and these informational works which is being waged by the kremlin with regard to this war, you are a journalist, i am a journalist, we know how difficult it is to cover events day after day, month after month, year after year .

appears on our headlines, for example, a soldier died in this aspect, so i believe that what we should do on your behalf in our chambers in our parliament, the governments of all the countries of the european union, the council of europe and the like is about ukraine continued to be in the top in the top headlines of our media instead of all the garbage that passes through us media space ukraine should be in the epicenter because the war continues 24 hours a day the price is blood this is what needs to be covered this is what is happening in the east and south of ukraine ukraine ukrainians are dying not only for themselves, they are dying for us

, shouldn't it be written like that, but you know what we are talking about, a journalist understands a journalist, we must inform, it is necessary to sell newspapers and it is necessary that people watch television, you know, i also wanted to ask you about the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, because for a long time the ukrainian delegation fought for the russians to remain under the sanctions of the couple, do you remember this, you supported your ukrainian colleagues , most of the deputies were even ready to cancel the sanctions against russia without cancellation the reasons for which they were introduced only to continue the dialogue with moscow , how far-sighted it was in general, why the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe a large

number of people from different countries adopted then such positions. so, you spoke about the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe. so, first of all, i want to say that we are talking about an institution, an organization that consists of a ministerial organization that is primarily responsible, and therefore when we talk about my colleagues and i, in fact, we fought for a long time against russia being included in the list on the basis of this, i want to say that this was before the start of the full-scale invasion, but we spoke about the occupation of crimea , we bres and then, as well as the representatives of the balkan

countries of the baltic countries, apologize, we spoke other countries also joined us against this, they said that we cannot allow this. we cannot just sit at the table with representatives of russia when their army is occupying country after country, and now it is ukraine. then there was talk of the annexation of crimea. we know what happened then and it was a manifestation of democracy and since then russia has been excluded and we cannot allow it to return to this organization, this is a clear signal even to putin that there is something for which he will have to pay the bills and i want

to say that it was not easy for us thank you in the middle of roger maybe you want to say something to our viewers at the end of our conversation glory to ukraine glory to the heroes thank you for this conversation that's because roger gale deputy speaker of the parliament of great britain we talked about what can be done to improve relations of ukraine with great britain about how the situation is changing related to the perception of the war between russia and the country about how to overcome the informational struggle that russia is waging in the civilized world in order to

to disorient people who in one way or another are positive about ukraine today and negative about the russian federation. in this last minute of our conversation, i want to talk more about what should happen next week. ukraine, negotiations by the united states regarding an extraterritorial agreement on the provision of security guarantees within the framework of the joint declaration of support for our state, it must be said right away that during the vyshnyi period, nato was another separate meeting of the leaders of the g7 countries of the group of seven and this does not duplicate nato because , say, japan is not part of nato but is part of the group of seven and they specifically held such a meeting in freedom and at this meeting a framework document on security guarantees for ukraine was agreed upon. means that each of the countries of the group will personally sign a bilateral document with ukraine, they will of course be very different, because you understand that

the united states and the same japan have completely different constitutions from the point of view of defense opportunities from the point of view of military capabilities, but the most important in this network of documents will be precisely those guarantees that washington will provide to ukraine, these will be the most important negotiations , because all other countries of the big seven will focus on the united states in providing those security guarantees that they themselves will offer us before our entry into nato, the united states, of course, can do much more, first of all, it is the largest nuclear power in the modern world , only one state in the modern world can compete with this nuclear power, and that is a great pity the russian federation this is how we wage war with the largest nuclear power in the history of mankind, the other such biggest molasses is only the united states, all other states, even those that

have nuclear weapons, cannot even come close to the united states of the russian federation, only three states in the world have the so -called nuclear family capable of destroying humanity for a few short days this is the united states the russian federation has a nuclear weapon the people's republic of china but the strength of the chinese nuclear weapon is far inferior the russian federation is a united state so far compared to these two powers. china is a real nuclear dwarf. well, it can also destroy a lot, but still not to such an extent, and therefore real protection from this huge power capable of destroying ukraine in general can only be provided to us by the partnership and combined states from the way these negotiations are taking place, from the way the united states treats this danger that has been raging over ukraine since vladimir putin made the final decision to liquidate our statehood

the main point of the country is the protection of the united states, especially since we see that the russian federation, we have already talked about it in the person of dmitry medvedev, reminded again that the use of nuclear weapons. perhaps if the russian leadership suddenly loses what it is losing, it will decide that it is losing some territories hope that these will be successful negotiations, and therefore let's hope that the united states, let's say , will show political responsibility , realizing the level of the threat that looms over ukraine itself today in the event the continuation of the long war with the russian federation in the event that the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, makes public the readiness to use nuclear weapons , and what threat, as a result, may loom over the entire civilized world if a final decision is made in moscow on the readiness for nuclear war with this civilized world, no one but america. stop this a danger that will lead to the death of tens of millions of people, possibly to

the disappearance of civilization in our world cannot stop the horrors of these inhumans who have long been have lost any understanding of any red line in their desire to restore the status of russia which, from their point of view , it had in stalin's times. well, this is such a simple point. i believe that this will be a serious agreement. i really hope that it will be effective. i really hope that it will really become the door for ukraine to the north atlantic union and that this door will be opened in one way or another as an invitation for ukraine not after the war is over because now no one knows in principle in what year this war will end. how will it end? and even during possible military actions at the washington nato summit in april next year, if some

format is found, a very important format, the required format of our security relations with the united states, it will not be security guarantees of security in the literal sense, it will be like this let's say security guarantees - these are different things security guarantees - this is the fifth article of nato guarantees - this is effective support as if there is no difference but in diplomacy every word has meaning but even if it will be effective effective security guarantors that prevent russia from taking any imprudent steps, this will give us a chance not only to win the war , it is very important to win it, but even more important than winning the war is to survive it, because if you win the war, you will not survive it. the united states must provide us with these guarantees guarantees the ability to survive a war with their main nuclear competitor in the modern

world. so we will expect fruitful results from these negotiations. hours with us on our air, i invite you to continue watching espresso i was on the air these two hours i give myself to vitaly portnikov and the best for you and victory and peace good luck i congratulate you on the espresso channel we want to defeat the enemy on the battlefield not by the quantity but by the quality of the training of our fighters, the quality of weapons, equipment with technological solutions that change the rules of the game and give an advantage over the enemy, so we already know and see what enormous importance aerial drones have acquired for both reconnaissance and strikes on enemy targets goals and now by the way we are trying