[000:00:00;00] fruitful results from these negotiations. and i will say goodbye to you on this. i thank everyone who was on the air for two hours with us on our air. i invite you to continue watching espresso. i was on the air . for these two hours, i give myself to vitaliy portnikov yesterday. i wish you the best and victory and peace. good luck. congratulations you on the espresso channel we want to defeat the enemy on the battlefield not by the quantity but by the quality of the training of our fighters, the quality of the weapons, the equipment with technological solutions that change the rules of the game and give an advantage over the enemy, so we already know and see what a colossal importance aerial drones have acquired both for reconnaissance and for strikes on enemy targets, and now, by the way, we are trying to make up for what we ignored earlier, because

we need more and more drones, but already in several of our programs with the inclusion of front-line fighters, the topic of ground-based drones is also urgently needed robotic platforms to remove the wounded from the battlefield in order to remotely solve dangerous tasks from reconnaissance to detecting mines or transporting ammunition, and by the way, this does not sound so fantastic because it is literally before the active phase of the war with russia the armed forces of ukraine conducted a series of tests of several new models of robotic platforms that were developed by domestic enterprises, and even then it was declared that a long way had been covered and that the armed forces of ukraine urgently needed ground unmanned platforms. however , now we see many examples of new flying drones and domestic ground drones and are still in the shadow, so what is happening with this technological direction, do we

now have the ability to create and produce new samples and are these samples satisfactory of our military, we will talk about this in our military program with managers and representatives of three ukrainian companies that develop ground and air unmanned platforms. my name is serhiy zgorytskyi, the director of the information consulting company defense express, which, together with espresso channels, aims to highlight the most relevant trends in the field of security and defense , and now we are joined by eduard trotsenko - he is the co-founder and general director of infocom ltd, mr. eduard, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. good day, before the war, yours the infocom company was actively engaged in the development of various robotic platforms. and what is happening right now, where is the company moving with these projects, which projects

are being developed? now , what is their condition ? were sanctified by hybrid control, that is, it could control both the philosopher driver and the pilotless vehicle in this way. we started to make eh platforms of a small class, it's a scorpio and a gentle one, and we realized one more moment that big systems don't care about life on the battlefield.

smaller systems are er robots that allow er transport mines to be like kamikaze roads, i.e. er in one direction they could be sent and yes, er, the second one was developed at the same time, this is lasko, i think that this is our who can tell the brand is such that it was meant so that the screen shows er myron missitiny and in the 16th year we realized the possibility of moving on a neural network. by the way , you were pioneers at home. and here is artificial intelligence, so that robotic platforms can move in space by themselves , detect some obstacles there , combine these obstacles, bypass them, no other platform of ukrainian development

does this, and the question arises at what stage where are these projects, did the ministry of defense take an interest in them because i myself was personally present in the 21st year when the welaska and another scorpion platform were undergoing tests . the command of the airborne assault troops was shown there, what has happened since then, are there any changes established of the military to these projects, is there a desire to purchase them ? well , how interesting it is that there is a system connected to neurons with networks . uh, from the military, this is considered remote control, so that it is possible to directly control uh, unmanned systems, and then i ask, but you mentioned first that you developed a system that allows you to convert ordinary machines or equipment into remotely controlled ones, so there was

a demonstration, it seems to kraz landfills there with a spartan car now we will find this video of mine and in my opinion it is a completely acceptable thing and for our conditions when can we make any platforms remotely controlled ot explain the peculiarity of this project and whether it has interest on the part of our military in 2016. there was an initiative from the leadership of kraz to make such a system for the armed forces of ukraine . i already said that our main goal is to meet the standard of the army's sostolety, that such cars must be equipped not only with a driver to drive

, but also in dangerous zones so that the first car to arrive without a driver people without a pension, it is remote control, and it is clear that in order to control remotely during work , there is a certain complexity, therefore , for direct visibility, there is a second connection, this is also a perfect control, or we can allow it now. of course, it is possible to put it in starlink for better control over long distances , so the project will not take root there, probably not political. the question arises, what are the main problems in the relationship between the ministry of defense and private companies that are currently developing and offering such

technological solutions? here are two questions: are there any developed requirements from the ministry of defense that we need robotic platforms of such a first second of the third class, depending on the weight according to the parameters of other characteristics and the understanding that if there are requirements, then for each category there are determined in particular potential orders and then for sure the life of the producers will become easier because he understands that this needs the armed forces and it will be purchased . are there any such tracks in relations with the ministry of defense? do you, as an oil company, have to decide what exactly will interest the ministry of defense? i think we will continue to work with the defense department and with separate subdivisions, it is now much more certain that the program is forgiven. the implementation of the program in the army of the rvatized complex

is created by special subdivisions. i think that this will allow and accelerate it quickly and train there should be a lot of robotized platforms and they should be massive , eh, we were at the time before the war, eh. well, how did they project such a view on the robotized complex? what they developed was the doctrine of the mosquito doctrine, that is , it is a small robot. there should be many of them and thousands of them. we must also, like the thrones of the death of the drone on earth , we must also have functions, that is, it is also intelligence and versions, and now, as it were, this is the present time. we mostly cooperate with bacterial organizations that,

it is clear that work with natural defense requires effort and, so to speak, handing over some bureaucratic attachments. but what the volunteers are doing now is definitely a lot of work on the part of the volunteers in order to help us play our developments directly uh, how to say combat application , you speak quite diplomatically. i understand that now, in principle, volunteers are the driving force of all our projects, starting with drones on land, sea, there, uh, underwater, but i am still trying to enter the zone of state participation and the role of the main customer in this process, that is, do you know which robotic platforms are currently needed by the ministry of defense , or is it still a secret for you

? by the way, we can show you the most common platform developed by an estonian company, and this robotic platform has already been purchased by 11 european and nato countries, and we have a video of a platform called the service produced by the milgema rabotics company we will now look at this platform, which does not look extremely complicated, but it has become extremely popular and estonia actually became such a pioneer in the development of such a modular platform, a platform that led everyone. this is an estonian platform from the milgeem robots company and it satisfies all nato military countries. is there an understanding that

we can do similar things using our developments and can we take this kind of approach as a basis? well, no. to come up with a bicycle and implement something that will definitely interest military companies. also, their development is quite good . i think that i will also send such a solution to our ukrainian engineers. well, in terms of shape, they should be different, and not only the tracked type, but also the wheeled one has its advantages. of useful systems , therefore, there should be a variety of them, and for different tasks, there should be a variety of tasks, now there are at least four solutions for our

military, this is remote control of controlled platforms, the creation of those modules is welcome, there is scorpion, there is an even smaller platform that is smaller than scorpion, where scorpion is actually used as a mother, here are four solutions, which of them do you think is the most promising, which needs, relatively speaking , such a promotion in order for the military to pay attention to on this project and found some options for interaction with your company, and it is difficult for us to choose for ourselves, if we stop the basic platforms, and so we can have such a universal platform, this is how it is for transportation of the wounded, that is, an additional one is attached to a platform for transportation and a platform on which you can install torelli, you can put manpads and various grenade launchers and also for

transportation and uh, that is, it has a different purpose , and therefore, the main direction is that of small systems that have low-observability remote control, both direct visibility and the possibility through a repeater through a drone at a greater distance, that is, we now we are supplying as if eh combat parts are exactly of this type, that is, the work of small robotic systems through the repeater through through the brand. that is, you are now supplying the armed forces with a modular solution based on the gnome platform. connected with e-e with active layouts, for example, it is a leopard tank on ketirovaniye, it is based on a jeep and the possibility of stationary control of layouts from above, which resembles

a leopard and is remotely controlled, and such samples are already on the battlefield. well, we have a development that will leave with such a solution. these are youtube promising developments that may be better directed there , probably directly in the ministry of defense . i hope to meet your company there, and as a result, there will probably be some public things that can be voiced, we will probably talk again to show that the ministry of defense is taking steps for that to really create a technological resource that protects our soldiers on the battlefield. thank you very much for including us. i would like to remind our viewers that

eduard trotsenko , co-founder and general director of infocom ltd, was on the air of the espresso channel, and then we move on to another topic , or rather to the same topic, but dmytro umanets is joining us as another guest - he is the chairman of the supervisory board of the association of arms and military equipment manufacturers of ukraine generals dan reserve p dmytro i congratulate you the studio welcomes you and i am glad to see you mr. serhiy ot mr. general, i would actually like you to tell me something about the association's enterprises that are currently involved in the production of robotic platforms, because i remember that there was such a platform called the peacemaker, it was even shown at the parade, the name is very good, it was just suitable for use, and there

about tanks of guided missiles it looked very good that now with this project this project exists peacemakers really said everything is correct and the company working on this program they are acting something already they are modernizing this according to this program and in general, everything is going well the bad thing is that , unfortunately, until now, the state does not have a so-called program to speed up this project because this project really deserves a lot of respect first of all, because in our

much less people will die, but in our country, after all, the leadership of the state rightly pays a lot of attention to this, if you compare it with our enemy, there are more people in them, so they can destroy this one or let this problem be destroyed, and we have you have to save your people . the more that our best people are fighting at the front, this should also be kept in mind. as for robotic systems, they will be able to be used for various purposes . already an anti-tank anti-tank means in order to destroy tanks you can use these er robotic systems

in order to transport materials ammunition er wounded well and so on 200 unfortunately war i have my own on that, these means can be very er used now in the battle , but i would like to focus your attention, you have such an opportunity there, serhii, to convey to the state leadership that the state needs to get involved in this process , the allocation program of funds in the garages of these same people, now these processes cannot be carried out, this is already the past, as they say , and so this is the most important thing for the state to pay attention to this project and this program now

. well, i think you have no fewer connections of powers than i have and you have contacts with by all chiefs of branches and types of troops, and the question arises whether you tried to convey to them that it is really already another stage and you cannot create robotic platforms in garages, because in fact, without a systematic approach, we will have such units of samples instead of mass production of such techniques, then the question arises, what can be such a main impetus for the state to change its attitude towards companies that create such technologically complex samples ?

leadership so that a decision is made and then the funds have already been allocated and everything else concerns the parliament there, the president and so on and so forth, well, first of all, it is for the leadership to understand that this is really a very effective means of destroying our such a very difficult evil uh enemy that he will not go anywhere even if the war ends, this neighbor will remain as an enemy. therefore, we need to think about weapons of disarmament in ukraine. now and tomorrow and the day after tomorrow , you understand. we have been running this program for seven years now, but the issues were mainly resolved somewhere at the middle level, at the level of the department of management and so on, but these people do not always understand it, they

understand better if someone comes with a ready-made project there do you understand? well, i don’t really want to offend them, but unfortunately, to this day, they think more about pockets, you understand, and not about the state, unfortunately, i’m there, i’ve said it several times in my speeches before for us, mr. serhiy, he is not. we haven’t seen him for a long time. it means to destroy this middle class, that’s what we call, you know, to replace people with more progressive ones. more people who understand what operatives solve problems, issues, and not listen and do nothing. thank you very much for including for your realistic assessments of the current situation . after all, we need

to make joint efforts to change the situation so that all the developments that are in various companies still progress to production much faster. i hope that by working together we will let's do yours and i want to the management. i will get the opportunity, i will try to highlight this issue to you in the near future, because it needs to be resolved , thank you, thank you for including us, i would like to remind our viewers that several of us from the press were dmytro umanets, chairman of the supervisory board of the association of arms and military equipment manufacturers of ukraine, general reserve lieutenant, and then we will talk about drones, but already aerial ones, there was such a large package of american aid for 1.3 billion dollars, within the framework of which american attack drones will be manufactured companies for the armed forces of ukraine, but there are other solutions when ukrainian companies of the initiative company do not want to wait and

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eh drones, then we move on to the project itself bekfair, what is its special feature, what was the reason for its creation, what are the tactics of its application, and so on, that is, what kind of project is it, look at the reason for its creation - it is , in principle, there are few uavs of this format, and there are few on the front, we need a means that we would allow hitting targets in the relative depth of the enemy ago and was created . its advantages are that it does not have radio communication, radio control, it flies along

route, we have a protected technology that allows us to enter it without interfering with radio communication, the question arises. how is the destruction of the ammunition drop target ensured, because if it flies along the route without communication with the operator, it means that we have to lay down all the key points before you that's how it starts, that's how it works, our intelligence gives us the coordinates of the target and uh, he bombs according to the coordinates uh, he has a ballistic calculator that calculates exactly where and at what time he needs to drop one or two bombs uh, and he does it automatically enough successfully and accurately and the weight of the payload is there. as i heard, up to 3 kg is true . more than 4 kg raises the question. then, what are the main problems now facing the team