[000:00:00;00] moreover, which protect presidents , prime ministers, government officials, parliaments , there are certain institutions, it is necessary to understand how much russia today is a parasite on the african continent a-a . so on, and under the guise of joint joint ventures, actually , the coup of nigeria, it only increases the territory of russia's influence, so it must be understood that

the part of the african leaders who came and made it clear to the moscow führer that africa will not float in front of him, this is only a part for me, the most important thing now is how the situation in nigeria will end, if the african union manages to return this situation to a legal channel , this means that they are able to somehow resist this russian expansion. if not , this means that the influence pressure on africa for its resources, and führer moskovskyi is most interested in africa's resources, from labor to minerals, and the alliance that arose there between beijing and moscow in the exploitation and colonization of the modern colonization of africa. very strong and powerful, it is a very important thing that 34 leaders, government officials, and presidents did not show up for this self-styled, absolutely no one

needs them. these took place in st. petersburg, well, in particular, for comparison , the december summit that was held in the united states of america where we were talking about almost 68 billion resources that were distributed among african states on issues of priority issues related to health care, youth, medical care, food care, and so on. well , there is simply nothing to compare here, but it is necessary to understand that this aggressive action of the kremlin, its expansive action, which is also supported on the african continent by china, is very dangerous for the world. therefore, the führer was solving several issues. first, he showed that the world has not yet closed itself off from him because some people came, as they call african leaders in moscow are easily

controlled, if you look at the closed documents that have now been extracted thanks to hackers , they all use the concept of easily controlled african leaders in relation to african leaders, well, let's see what it is will end in the coming months or years, but one way or another, it is necessary to understand not only that africa is resisting, but africa today needs help, including so that fuhrer moscow stops parasitizing africa well, here the question is the most important thing, mr. romani where are they most easily controlled by moscow or beijing, because part of the african countries still has a very large turnover with the chinese side, if i am not mistaken, 128 billion dollars. well, that is, quite a serious potential and the fact that there leaders, all

5,000 leaders of the four countries did not come i mean the first persons, well, in part, it probably influenced it, including at the end or not, well, from my point of view, there is such an undercover game going on here, and it is obvious that there was influence here, and france has very serious interests there, and the influence of the united states there of america and beijing, but it must be understood that the aggressiveness with which the kremlin operates, including the use of armed units and this great fifth column of recruitment there by politicians and the establishment, e.

the sector of central africa is very, very large. well, let's hope that the leaders and the establishment of these countries are given to understand what independence is and they understand well what the role of civilization in quotation marks and the moscow filler yes and russia itself dmytro medvedev, deputy head of the security council of the russian federation said that it is beneficial for moscow that kyiv's refusal to negotiate with russia will allow us to prove that during the special operation until the end of the bander regime, he said until the end of the neo-nazi ideology, and this is the background there was information about the negotiations in saudi arabia this week, peace talks regarding ukraine are to be held, it is expected that, in addition to western allies , delegations from developing countries will take part in them, and the main topic will be

the ukrainian formula, and it is clear that we are talking about a fairly serious half of the countries there, representatives of 30 countries can and the main question is that there will be no representative in russia at these negotiations, can there be peaceful negotiations on ukraine without the participation of russia and can they be effective, and the first is very it is important that until now in the disclosure of the understanding of what the peace summit is well, as it is secretly called, it does not exist, from my point of view, but now it is not so much about the content as about the form, actually, what is the peace summit, well, forgive me, but i have the feeling that the authors of this ideas they roughly applied there for the versailles-washington system or the potsdam versailles or something

like that, and we are talking about a global forum for the establishment of peace and the definition of a new order . it can happen without russia, it can happen without russia from the point of view of developing , let’s say, the content of the treaty, its provisions, and somewhere about drawing the main next world order, it can happen. the fact is that history knows such examples when similar things were produced not only without participants in the conflict. in general, in one office, well, remember at least woodrow wilson’s points, and then these points were simply as if dictated and er became the subject of a serious er versailles

versailles agreement regarding how much today this case is possible, here one very important point is omitted, such things were usually used after the world went through a continental and global war. and only then did similar things appear at the exit, and is there a chance for the world today? here we are today, you asked a very correct question asked a very correct question and in general, is it possible to conduct such negotiations without russia, from my point of view, prepare the content and try to explain to the world that it has a chance to prevent a continental and global war as a task the maximum for such measures is possible now, where is the place for the so-called program of the ukrainian program, which

i have already said about this more than once, it is actually located in the city of the resolution of the un general assembly, that is, this document can actually be called a decision of the un general assembly, which was voted in the fall of last year, god be with him , let it remain there a-a for the authorship of president zelensky although, from my point of view , it would still be more correct to appeal to this document as a resolution of the general assembly of the un assembly, but it is done this way, let it be done. the main thing is to do something in this regard, and it is important to use these approaches today for those who still have doubts about what policy russia is pursuing, whether it is possible to negotiate with it, which can be discussed now, the question of what is the fate of including the current continental

and global institutions that formed and are called to protect the current world order, these things must be talked about why because the world and states are participants in that world, they forgive me for what i say, they are close at hand they sometimes they simply focus on their problems and do not understand that the war started by russia in 2014 against ukraine is a war that , while maintaining the current approach , first involves continental countries, then turns into a global conflict. and what we discussed today in the first two questions is only proof of what path putin is moving, so it is important that i don't understand it today, it is not understood only in the global world. and we were just talking about

africa, and part of the european elites i am not talking about ordinary citizens, voters and so on, it is obvious from here that the analysis of such a situation is an objective, in-depth analysis with the provision of information to the participants of such events. it is very, very important and it is interesting here that the ideas of the chinese plan and the african plan are also added the arab plan, because a long time ago, some african leaders, as well as beijing, dreamed of finding their place in this process, as far as it can turn out to be a positive result. well, i honestly say my point of view. i don't believe in it because i understand excellent fuhrer moskovskiy he understands only power and until the moment until a coalition of states emerges in the world, an effective coalition that will form

a force, will form the appropriate technical military armed potential and will not strike with the opening of the second, third, fourth fronts and so on and will not put in place all this creation which as evil exists today in the form of russia led by führer putin , it is unlikely that such meetings will be successful, but i say once again well, in order to a-a let's say leave a diplomatic tool is present in this process. well, it is possible and necessary to spend time on these things. during the last two weeks of mr. roman, we have been watching how russia is trying to attack ukraine from the sea, and nato is active after the exit of the grain agreement and to prove that the russian fleet can, well, at least

claim a part of the black sea and influence, accordingly, other countries of the black sea basin, that is, romania, bulgaria and turkey, that is, all the countries that have access to the black sea, which, by the way, are members of the north atlantic alliance, but so far on at the moment, none of the countries that are part of nato have said decisively no to such russian expansion, because the russians threaten to shoot civilian ships that will go to ukrainian ports. well , in short, engage in piracy in the black sea. this, although probably in the united states of america and great britain and in germany, in other countries, well

, at least the naval forces would be enough to prevent this, because you are right about what, after the black sea, there could be the mediterranean sea and another sea, the baltic sea. there can also be a conflict there, the sea of ​​japan, there can also be a conflict, well, in a word, russia is testing its power and is obviously watching the world's reaction, how the world is reacting, why can't the world decisively take and put putin in his place? well, at least in you know the issues of the black sea, mr. sergey , i often think about the fact that, from my point of view, it is enough to understand the international legal status of the bosphorus and the dardanelles in order to understand and act so that what is called the black sea fleet the russian federation has absolutely no influence either in the black sea or in the mediterranean sea. what is happening now also

emphasizes the impotence of will of those who should ensure the appropriate international legal regime in the dardanelles bosphorus straits and in the black sea in general. this is the first what needs to be said is the second, definitely economic factor in this war , for some reason they did not pay attention to it and do not pay attention to it, but one of the reasons for russia's aggression against ukraine is actually ukraine's plans for the development of the production of shale hydrocarbons and the development of the black sea shelf, everyone knows very well that it radically changed the european

global hydrocarbon market, ukraine is the second in terms of four indicators of agricultural production, ukraine is among the top three, two, four in the world, it is clear that a blow to ukraine's grain infrastructure is a-- in fact, a blow to the world global market and this the use of the tool of hunger in relation to many peoples and many states is clear that only ukrainians only we understand what the tool of hunger is in the expansion of moscow she used it repeatedly in relation to ukraine, and today it uses it as a tool of expansion in relation to african nations, throwing ukraine out due to strikes on grain infrastructure and the world market

of corn, wheat, barley, oil, and many, many elements and components of the agricultural industry, which i once again i emphasize that according to which ukraine is one of the two , three, and four leaders in the world, it is clear that the moscow führer dreams that russia will take these indicators, that is why he is lying about the fact that russia can compensate for supplies to africa what can she compensate for by increasing the large harvest, she could not compensate for anything, not before, not now, not in the future , no matter what beautiful words the moscow filler says, because it is not about the land, but about the lack of elementary observance of technologies that lead to very poor

quality of these products, so it is obvious that this economic factor cannot be easily weighed because it is obvious that a-a if fuhrer succeeds in striking the global agricultural market and hunger becomes a tool, then this means that the next one in history is this rashia the bastard will be able to dictate his own conditions to many states and many international institutions, so when we were talking to you about the second question, i did not accidentally touch on the necessary things that would relate to the supply of systems to ukraine that would protect these things, as for the black sea water area, it is the same as well as land, it is necessary to create a coalition of a combat-ready coalition of flotillas of the leading countries , taking into account the actual international legal

status of the two straits of the bosphorus and dardanelles, which describe the mode of use of these straits from here on what basis are the relevant warships of the russian federation in the black sea? this is a question for those who are defined by the relevant agreement . and this is turkey . i'm not talking about the maritime tribunal. well, there are many, many things that give the opportunity to put a protective shirt on this psychopath of the führer-moscow about the straitjacket for the führer. well, it seems

that russia is preparing the grounds for to appeal to the international criminal court, we know that putin received an arrest warrant for the deportation of ukrainian children to the territory of russia, today the russian commissioner for children's rights maria lvova bilova, by the way, who also received an icc warrant, said that at the beginning of the invasion of ukraine, the occupiers took more than 700,000 to russia of ukrainian children, she said that the majority of ukrainian children were taken to russia with their parents or other relatives, according to the document she made public , about one and a half thousand pupils were also deported to the territory of russia institutions for orphans or parents who were left without care, whether russia can and will succeed in some way to challenge this warrant of the international criminal court , although earlier we talked about the fact that it is life-long and, in principle, if a person has committed

a crime, then in principle it will be very difficult to remove this warrant and open up the countries of the world to him, this means for putin and these maria lviv belovs, but russia seems to be preparing this ground and trying to appeal to the world community that they say well, what should we have done if the children were in the throes of war, what they this is the crucible they started a war in ukraine. they don't talk about that. i'm talking about what. well, we had to save mr. serhiy somehow. well, this is an old song that is being sung from moscow again. and it's very elementary . by the way, this old song is also played around ah, remember the belarusian dictator in 2015, 16th years, ah, all these moscow prostitutes talked about the fact that one and a half million left for russia . well, when there were negotiations there about the possibility

of voting for internally displaced persons , deported persons there. well, and so on, then they already announced about what went to belarus 200,000 people it's all a lie to believe, er, moscow's statements, especially statistics, well, it's more expensive for yourself and you're fooling yourself that they took out by engaging in artificial deportation, because here you have to distinguish between displaced persons, refugees , and internally displaced persons, and you understand very well that for this person, for the führer and spit on international law, on the conceptual apparatus , what do they want. so they calculate what numbers they want and write from here their attempt to explain the illegal deportation of ukrainian children because

their parents left and acquired status refugees, this is complete nonsense, we were talking about the so-called artificial deportation, when both adults and children were forcibly removed from here . in any case, it is impossible to understand from here that this is also the professional level of the participants from the international side, those who prepare the relevant accusations, documents and arguments for the hearing. i am convinced that both in the category of crimes against children and in the category of torture, rape and abuse over a prisoner of war, the killing of prisoners, and so on, there will be no forgiveness for the fuhrer and his gang because these crimes have no statute of limitations

for their continuation of their activities and direct instructions for the use of unconventional weapons , unconventional methods of waging war, all this is a guarantee of that, and they themselves have repeatedly admitted that they were punished for the crimes they filmed , committed against ukrainians against citizens of other countries, the leader of two similar ones, but one more person who did not receive a warrant from the international criminal court for the same crimes, this oleksandr lukashenko is the self-proclaimed president of the republic of belarus, who also took ukrainian children to the territory of the republic of belarus, and according to foreign media , i am not mistaken, out of 1,350 children were taken to

the republic of belarus . after all, lukashenka was perceived as the same dictator, aggressor and co-aggressor as they perceive putin, that is, isn't there some kind of double perception and double game regarding one and the other it's like lukashenko, well, he's a lesser criminal. and we treat him a little bit like that. well, he's closer. we bought bitumen and something else. there were some disputes between the current government and the government of the self-proclaimed president . what do you say about it? do you know mr. serhiy meni? it is very unpleasant to read in western publications that what is not published as a hoarder against the dictator lukashenko is explained by the position of the ukrainian political leadership

, which seems to be slowing down this process. i do not know, i am not convinced that this is 100% correct but if this is so, then it is definitely not just a mistake, it is a very unworthy, unworthy position on the part of the victim of aggression, because both putin and lukashenko have absolutely the same status in this war, and ukraine today is subject to aggression from russia, including belarus, because belarus is being used as a territory, belarus is used as personnel, belarus is used as weapons, equipment , ammunition and the implementation center. by the way , tehran and beijing, which, while pretending that they are not, are moving towards this status at a very fast pace

and the authorities do not know everything, they explain that you and they have nothing to do with it. i am convinced that in relation to lukashenka, some officials from whose knowledge they openly spoke about their participation in the removal of children from the territory of ukraine will be issued, but the order and fruitful decisions will be made identical because their crimes are absolutely identical and there is no difference in the legal status of putin and lukashenka. i will ask you as the extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the republic of belarus in 2010-2011 whether ukraine should support diplomatic relations with the republic of belarus, i do not understand at all the need to maintain diplomatic relations for today in the current situation, as of today, from the point of view of international

law, belarus is an aggressor, ukraine is at war with belarus, and there is no ambassador there but there is a diplomatic representation ukraine had to break these diplomatic relations with belarus in order to put an end to and i cannot understand and explain why diplomatic relations and a number of agreements relations between ukraine and i am not saying anymore, god forbid they are fulfilled. thank you, mr. roman , for the conversation. this was a diplomat, politician and extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the republic of belarus in 2010-2011. roman bezsmertny and friends want to remind you that we work live on the espresso tv channel on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please like

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