[000:00:00;00] lukashenko is worried because he began to say correctly that they don't work for free, it's just a lie to them, in fact, he's a mercenary who needs money. lukashenko doesn't have that kind of money , that kind of money they have, uh, there are some churches in africa , latin america, in the middle east, well, they didn't write it out. that's why it's after all, the base for the preparation of the transfer of lagerers to the countries where they signed contracts and maybe maybe some of them are really trying to transfer combat experience to belarusian fighters, but what is it

to transfer combat experience, what experience can tell these fighters what they took in some tactical measures , maneuvers , they took part in meat assaults, if this is a modern tactic, well, let them pass on their experience with him. broadcast on the espresso tv channel and also on our platforms on youtube and facebook for those who are currently watching us live on youtube, please like our video and you can vote in our poll today it sounds like this do ukraine need diplomatic relations with belarus yes no and we are still friends and your answer option well, maybe our next guest will also respond to our survey and give an answer about diplomatic relations with belarus oleksandr khara expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense

strategies diplomat mr. oleksandr i am you i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast, i am also glad to see you, and my answer is that it was necessary to develop it once upon a time, but in this case, when this diplomatic disease in quotation marks has dragged on for so long, isn’t it? it's not too late and what's holding back the ukrainian side for a very long time? well, it seems we recognize them and we have diplomatic relations . well, we don't recognize lukashenka himself since his pseudo-election, but what's holding back, for in the event of a break in diplomatic relations, what can we lose, you know? let's take as an analogy what happened before the large-scale invasion, we had diplomatic relations with the russian federation, and representatives of the authorities explained to us that there was no need to develop

diplomatic relations, because then we were not we will be able to protect the rights and interests of ukrainian natural persons and legal entities, although this was completely untrue, because diplomats can only use the legal field of ukraine, which institutions are there in order to protect some interests . could protect the interests of our cooperation, you remember very well how they did not allow all our consuls to access the rights of the kremlin, this was a big problem , this is the first, the second moment, until we can put the turrets said that the break of diplomatic relations means that broadcasting access to it is not true because there are several vienna diplomatic conventions on consular relations and the break of diplomatic

relations ipsofact. but a little late with regard to belarus, this is a very strange situation. why do we need, well, in fact, formal representations , because it is not really possible, our diplomats cannot work there, you can imagine how the kdb monitors every step and every call of our diplomats, and of course they cannot meet with representatives of the oranges who are not there or with free media who are not there or try to resolve something with the same ukrainian children who were illegally transported to one under belarus with the russian federation and that's why we already have all the legal grounds february 20 and february 24 last year, russian troops crossed the ukrainian and belarusian border belarus became the leading aggressor in fact by resolution 33-14-74 which defines what aggression is, and the actual giving

of one's territory to a third state, where an attack is made on another state, these are the facts of aggression , that is, it took place, and then it seems to me that it is necessary to immediately develop diplomatic relations, and hope that somehow we can restrain mr. lukashenko from that why did he take part in the war with his soldiers? it seems to me that this is not their idea, because first of all he is not and understands what type of untrained, unprepared military men who, let's say, will cross us here , they will be destroyed, this is the first and second their motivation is much less than that of the russians, do they understand the essence of this conflict or not? in belarus, we are not launching an attack, and it is clear that, in this way, he will further reduce , let’s say so, his own contribution , because he is actually staying on the path of the russian military, his military , of course. can rely on the support

of belarusian citizens, therefore, and from the point of view of explaining the complex that he can do something about aggressive political ukraine this is wrong from the point of view that we did not react to the fact of aggression from the point of view of in fact, they were transporting cells, too. this is a very important factor. in fact, i think that in kyiv we should decide and start helping to create a spiked opposition collection. we have a basis - this is oklinovsky, these are people who defend not only ukraine, but the future of free belarus. in the disappearance of them as well as other oppositionists, which can be created as a platform for some reason, well, later, just weld it up , it costs such a belarus to become a democratic country well, but before belarus turns into

a democratic country in principle, belarus has turned into a large military base of the russian federation and it seems that a new factory for the production of shaheeds will be built on this base, which the belarusians want to build together with iran. yesterday the belarusian defense minister khrenin arrived in iran for a meeting with his iranian counterpart . in particular provides for the transformation of one of the enterprises in the gomel region of belarus, the gomel region is adjacent to the ukraine and chernihiv region , it is clear that the factory for the production of iranian of unmanned aerial vehicles, this is another field, another threat, such a wide threat on the northern front of ukraine, eh, why do you think, mr. oleksandr, that the world is reacting rather sluggishly to the sanctions against lukashenka

, sanctions are being introduced there, but they are not as strict as against the russian federation, what is it is the world holding back, or is ukrainian diplomacy underdeveloped, or should we insist more on this? well, you mentioned the children who were deported to the territory of belarus, and there were reports that 1,350 children were taken there from the territory of ukraine, why why? lukashenko is not always in the same cage as putin , because he is a duo in an aggressive, bloodthirsty duo of murderers. by the way, the fact that our children are there is illegal . how come, i don't remember it from the second part of the last name, and by the way, this

is what belarusian oppositionists who are here in ukraine are demanding. of course, the language of lviv is, by and large, an economic miracle even before the war and now belarusian continues relies exclusively on russian money before the russian energy carrier, and therefore of course in order to do something close to this regime, it is necessary to hurt the russian regime in the elder brother and of course in this sense it is , let's say so, an absolutely normal goal of ukrainian diplomacy to insist on reducing the assessment of style to prices by half 60 to 50 dollars and also the creation or rather the impossibility of the use of european tankers by russia in order for them to trade their oil unfortunately, this primarily concerns greek shipowners well, you

of course, it is important that they do not have the opportunity to sell e-e tankers of the russian federation, then this will significantly complicate the export of russian oil. grain transfers more then to the baltic countries, and actually here, the constitution is for oil, and of course that blocking this flow of russian oil, well , by the same way, for example, that there is a soap hazard how does the russian federation create such threats, and in particular, well, literally yesterday, several russian ones were found on the black sea beach of turkey, of course, i think that this stopped a little the flow of followers of the russian federation, i am not talking about

the flattening of russian ports, especially the azov and the black sea sanctions lists so that a stroke from there could not include us in the european, american or any parties of the countries of the free world. all the lives of the military infrastructure of belarus as a creative goal for the ukrainian military, i think that if some drone of the belgorod people's republic strikes the infrastructure of belarus temporarily occupied by lukashenka, then it will be right, you mentioned the black sea and how russia is managing now in the black sea area. well, yesterday there was information

that three foreign ships arrived at ukrainian ports despite the blockade of the russian federation. the ships belonged to israel, greece and one was a turkish, georgian company, the owner of this ship, as the forbes magazine writes, the ships did not hide their course , they moved with their transponders turned on, they were watched by four nato reconnaissance planes, from here these ships entered the ukrainian ports, this is already a demonstration of the world community that the blockade declared by russia is dangerous for all civilian vessels. is it still the fear and risk of the owners of these companies, the israeli greek turkish-georgian company, who at

their own risk simply decided to try this the corridor that is in the water area of ​​the black sea, the ukrainian corridor, well, you know where the jura is. this is not exactly a blockade, because the green black sea grain initiative is the only one that affects the black sea ports of ukraine, and on the river banks on the danube, this is the first moment and the second moment. of course, if you look at it in what way what is happening is that the ships were directed to ukrainian ports, they actually went in the territorial waters of the coastal countries. the third extremely important point is that the russian federation does not have much power to inflict strikes on such ships because there was already a third case when naval drones attacked russian ships, which, in principle , should deter international shipping from exercising their right to free navigation, the law of ukrainian ports, that is,

these factors are important, but unfortunately, that did not happen what did ukraine ask to be or under the flags of nato member states clearly from the same turkey, which by the way is in second place , let's say, recipients of the benefits from the black sea grain initiative, they it seems that there are more than 3 million grains per year bought from the ukrainian actually it would be the only one for a civilian vessel under the turkish flag or any country and members of nato or what really we would like even more that congo or it will be turkish together will the turks make a decision and run the black sea black, uh, not the black sea, european or american . unfortunately, this did not happen, and everyone is talking about diplomacy, everyone is saying that it is necessary to agree with the corner to return to this uh-uh equipment,

although in fact you know well, very russians they know how to create a new reality, there was a reality, this is international maritime law, first of all, a convention that regulates all this and freedom of navigation, and then the russian federation, through aggression, through threats, creates some strange, well, such a classy legal mechanism , and actually occupies part of the black sea with that international convention maritime law and everyone says ok, let's say it's a breakthrough that gives ukraine the opportunity to earn money and gives africa and other developing countries the opportunity not to suffer from volk, and that is, this the new reality has already become the norm, although we should say i'm not talking about ukraine, but about the free world somewhere, about the fact that the russian federation should be bitten so that it does not interfere, well , the encroachment in the black sea, and then it would be, let's put it this way, an emphasis on which the prince

is built our entire world economy, because if russia is in the black sea, why can't china , or the romanian strait , iran, or somewhere in the northern part of the sea , any other tyrant who thinks that he has enough power to cause damage to that it seems to me that we have to change the emphasis and the plus point is that ukraine should receive the initial means to destroy chornomorsk , that is, the russian federation, as ukrainian moscow , as it is the cleansing of the ukrainian snake. platforms in

ukrainian cities, whether with wings, a rocket , and so far. of course, this complex problem is both legal and logistical and military. it must be solved accordingly. arabia will hold peace talks on ukraine with 40 participants and it has long been announced that russia will not have a spokeswoman there , the spokesperson of the us state department, mother miller, says that the united states of america supports this summit regarding the peace talks , we will hear mir zelenskyi's formula we of course support this summit we have long said that it is important for ukraine to lead the process when it comes to any potential diplomatic solution to this war. it is important that countries that have not yet had information directly from ukraine has finally heard it. it is from ukraine that this is the formula for peace in

ukraine, but without russia, can there be a diplomatic solution to the end of this war and the inclusion of an even greater number of countries that take part in the peace talks or in the peace summit that will be that has already been announced this is how i understand it so far, there are such micro-summits that allow people who support ukraine to unite. without russia, we can talk about peace in ukraine , well, it is definitely not clear that the russian federation, its leadership and the vast majority of the population are determined for war on the destruction of the ukrainian state of ukrainian identity and therefore, of course, there is no space for declamation, it can be revealed only when there are more successes on the battlefield, which will show that the russian federation cannot hold those on

the territory it purchased since the 14th year is one story and the second is actually the impossibility of continuing the war. in fact, this summit planned in saudi arabia is the most important. his idea is to attract the countries of the so-called global south to the ukrainian side, because we saw on packaging regarding the aggression of the russian federation and then regarding the restrained and therefore stable peace in the words of the principles of international law, er , i don't remember exactly what this resolution was called, we saw that a large number of countries of the global rooster abstained or not very much and expressed their support in ukraine, the same india is the prime minister. the most he managed to do was to say that now is not the time for war, but he advised increased quantities of russian oil and then

resells it only to the europeans themselves to the americans, i'm not talking about brazil anymore, i'm not talking about mexico, the president of mexico said that he would rather not attend this summit if there are no representatives from russia, but the others haven't yet said what he 's going to do to participate, i say about the global half therefore, this very meeting is very important in order for us to convince that the peace plan of zelenskyi or ukraine, whatever you want to call it, is actually a restatement of well , well, in the principle of people's law, first of all , the statute, but also the final act from this security schemes, violation of borders, non-use of force in relation to another state, uh, well, that’s it. well, in principle , it is characteristic for us that more countries support our

form from the point of view. which was offered to us by the chinese, brazilians, indonesia, and african countries, and the most important point is that the entire ukrainian territory should be liberated, including the one that was illegally occupied since 14 years ago . i hope that we will have in our team an opportunity to make sure and that this war and in fact this is not the time for what everyone is suffering in front of these developing countries the same china excuse me china is the number one holder of grain from behind the black sea grain initiative and now is the best economic time for eh let's say so eh certain losses and tensions, primarily in relation to the united states and the europeans , including in relation to ukraine. of course , he has some of the fact that the russian federation has weakened and against is co-resources the best

valuable actually serves such idiots who break here, everything is not so much for china, but this is a separate story. in fact, this same one can be successful from the point of view of consultation for ukraine and the ukrainian plan and the countries that happened and thought that this was not their part, and at the end of our conversation, one more piece of information: the polish ambassador was summoned today to the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, due to the statement of the head of the international policy bureau of the office of the president of poland about the ungratefulness of ukrainians for help in kyiv , emphasized that they appreciate the support of warsaw, but such statements are unacceptable, or is this evidence mr. oleksandr, does the world and our closest partners also sometimes get tired of the russian-ukrainian war, no, i think that it was most likely just for domestic political use and it is clear that there are forces that, despite the fact that they support

our struggle for their independence as territorial integrity against of the russian federation, but they also have certain, let's say , remarks about ukraine and, well, the agenda . such an internal political world seems to me to be absolutely correct. the reaction of the panasupia , who said that well, first of all, we really appreciate poland's help, and it's really true, let's say it's very frank, it's difficult to find another country that immediately came back to us as much as it helps us, but on the other hand, of course, there are issues that may be that our interests do not coincide in particular, this is the issue of grain. of course, ukraine needs currency . ukraine needs, let's say, to export our grain so that it is possible to privatize the next crop, or to collect according to what we currently have. of course, we have nuances and

regarding historical memory, of course we are very we appreciate, let's say, the constructive approach that we discovered in the master during even the anniversary of the volyn tragedy . although, of course, the poles insist on slightly different formulations, that is, this topic will remain somewhere in the background and may periodically exist, but i do not believe that the poles tired of supporting ukraine, because it is clear that if ukraine is not able to defend itself, then poland will be next, it will be like that, and of course other countries of the eastern flank, thank you, thank you, mr. oleksandr, it was oleksandr hara, a diplomat, we work directly broadcast on espresso tv channel as well as on our platforms and on facebook for those who are currently watching us on youtube please vote in our poll today we are asking you about whether diplomatic relations

between ukraine and belarus are necessary yes no and your option or you say and me i think that the majority of the audience is probably inclined to the fact that such diplomatic relations are not needed because it is clear that belarus and the belarusian dictator acted as a co-aggressor in this war and are jointly responsible for the crimes committed putin is on the territory of ukraine at the moment 84% of the people who voted believe that such diplomatic relations are not needed further on we have a political technologist oleksiy holobutsky p oleksiyu i congratulate you for the sake of seeing you on our air i congratulate putin the last few weeks he only talks peace talks peace talks chews says that russia is ready to negotiate with everyone, no one wants to talk to us, uh, zelensky signed a decree not to negotiate with the russian

federation. well, as always, they lie like dogs and in in principle, there is nothing to talk about. and we will also see how they lie on their television mistakes, because it is very revealing what is happening in skabeeva regarding the negotiations. that is, all restrictions on the russian language must be removed, all prohibitions on orthodoxy , the creation of these tanskoy, those artificial orthodox fedoks, all based on the previous one, must also be removed and this must be eh a normal return as far as possible, but i think that it is possible, including all bans on movement to friendship with

russia and real elections in ukraine . i will note the participation of medvedchuk and yanukovych, you like it, you don't like it, but only if there are people who , this is controversial, drove by , they live somewhere , then they don't speak. people who speak in ukraine, let’s take part, we are for the unity of russia and oleksiy. do you think that putin has already passed the stage when he is ready to agree on some kind of peace, or in principle his actions indicate that he is ready to go to the end and none peace talks well, he simply does not need them, he will wage

war against ukraine against the west against everyone, well, this question is difficult, let’s say, or do we orient ourselves? are we still very often on those statements in public that putin himself makes, that he invests to the end in these words or is it just some kind of empty rhetoric for the sake of, i know, for the sake of somehow appeasing the russian people or in order to appease the russian elite, that's why it's hard to get him to do anything here. what exactly does he want, but it seems to me, considering how the rhetoric is changing and putin's propaganda and already in three days from kyiv it came to the point that and putin is the last to talk about the fact that

the offensive counteroffensive of ukraine well unsuccessful and it is already like a huge victory of russia that the counteroffensive of ukraine is not from his words not successful therefore i think that well considering how they somehow, mobilizations, how they screw up with the economy, and many others that have been happening in russia lately, that is about the fact that , after all, peace talks are for putin an opportunity to take a break, at least he needs them, we will just understand at the moment he is in a certain advantage, so he captured new territories, he can absolutely present it to the people and the elite , but the fact that he remains such a lucky guy, so to speak, that he

is a collective measure in all circumstances that are negative and against which no one particularly in the world supports, but still his adventure was successful, he picked up more territories and now it is possible to agree to accumulate strength, try or wait when the political situation in the west may change, the president of the united states may change, perhaps the power in europe , key countries may come some other politicians, he has been in power for 23 years and even then he is not going to absorb everything in the near future, so for him 2-3 there are four years and a completely normal term in order to, well to try to play a different game, so to speak, including from ukraine . this week , drones have been flying into the moscow network for several days in a row, and russia, the russian