[000:00:00;00] networks, join our social networks, watch our broadcast and i say goodbye to you. i wish you good health. take care of yourself and your family. see you on monday . see you from ukraine in the studio in london. jeff died . today in the program we talk about the attack on the port of novorossiysk. marine drones hit at the base of the russian fleet , a large amphibious assault ship, the olenihorsk hornyak, was damaged. officially, ukraine did not comment on this attack, but sources in the sbu tell some details. what kind of drones are these? and what kind of

ship is this? ukrainian forces managed to hit a large amphibious ship in the black sea, russia lanegorski gornyak. at first, the russian side reported that the attack was repulsed, but later the russian mass media began to spread a video of the ship being towed officially. security services surface drone sbu saturated with 450 kilograms of tnt attacked the russian amphibious assault ship hemohorsk hornyak as a result of the attack the ship received a serious hole source it is reported that the sbu together with the naval forces are behind this operation, this ship made a smooth crossing to the occupied crimea and delivered cargo after the attack on the kerch bridge , ukrainian naval drones attacked ships on the territory of russia in novorossiysk, it

is located approximately 100 km and in a straight line from kerch strait and bridge. what is special about this attack , bbc correspondent james waterhouse said online, in contrast to drone attacks that we have seen before in the depths of russia, for example around moscow now kyiv is more willing to admit that it is ukraine behind the strikes with naval drones in the black sea or the sea of ​​azov, and sources in the security service told us that it was a successful attack on a large amphibious ship in the port of novorossiysk on the russian coast , this is a large terminal from where 1 million are shipped every day 800,000 tons of oil also for moscow - this is an important naval base and this happened two weeks after russian drones attacked the ports so it seems that ukraine

intends to respond and it is interesting because it is not a long time ago, in his address, president zelenskyi said that the war is returning to the territory of russia and ukraine will resist in all possible ways, at the same time, he suggested that peace negotiations could take place already in the fall, but if you look at the fact that russia is still continuing its invasion and what we saw today, none of the parties creates conditions for possible negotiations, and i am in touch with the correspondent of the bbc-al-bi-shotryan alba . greetings. so, olena gorky gornyak, what kind of ship is this and how damaged is it, the truth nagorsky hornyak is a large amphibious ship and its main application is the landing of amphibious assaults on an unequipped sea coast, it can take on board about one battalion of marines or a company of marines and somewhere around 10 e-e armored vehicles, it also has an artillery

installation hail means of anti-aircraft defense , i.e. everything that can happen during an amphibious operation, from the video illustrating the drone attack, it can be concluded that the impact came somewhere closer to the stern of the ship that is, the chassis, living quarters and even combat posts or the landing compartment could be affected. the ship began to fill with water, so a crane appeared on board. unverified data appeared that after the ship was towed to the port of novorossiysk, stains were seen on the surface, it could be either oil or fuel that is, a sign that the undercarriage was damaged, the problem of repairing such ships is that they were built on the territory of poland somewhere in the 80s to the middle of the 80s , respectively, sources of spare parts for damaged of ships, now these are other ships that are not operational and these non-operational

ships are being turned into donors. it is interesting that in the naval forces of ukraine there was also a ship of this very seven seven five project and it is kostiantyna shatsky, which in 2014 the russians blocked in the donuzlav russia uses these amphibious ships to supply its troops, in particular on the azov coast. thank you, but alba, can you please tell me more about what kind of base the russian federation novorossiyka was . the novorossiysk military naval base is of great importance to the russian fleet because it is a remote base point, it is already on the black sea coast of the northern caucasus, what is interesting is that russia once planned to make it the main base of the russian black sea fleet, this is because in 2017 the black sea fleet had to leave ukraine , civil structures were very dissatisfied with this because novorossiysk is a powerful point

of oil transshipment of petroleum products, but then the kharkiv agreement took place. and in 2014 , russia generally entrenched itself in sevastopol even more firmly. novorossiysk never became the main base of the black sea fleet. but there are places there for the basing of ships at the beginning of the full-scale russian invasion, the russian ships approached the mainland as close as possible, but then the ukrainian navy received means that were able to harvest the ships and they drove the ship group further to the crimean coast under the protection of the air defenses located on the samokryv peninsula , but in the end and there in the crimea, ukrainian forces began to reach the black sea fleet to attack sevastopol and other bases, and therefore novorossiysk turned into such

it is the safest naval base, covered missiles can reach there, ukrainian anti-carabills cannot reach it, but as we can see, gendrons are gendrons that can reach the target even there 700 km from the eastern part of ukraine, and this means that it was an asymmetric response of ukraine to the russian fleet, which is numerically superior and has a larger number of ships. thanks to albi , the bbc correspondent albi shooter was in touch with me. this is not the first time that ukrainian forces attack russian ships, although the ukrainian fleet is much smaller than the russian one, but first of the full-scale invasion, ukraine managed to show a good result in the battle on the water thanks to its ingenuity, the first attack took place exactly one month after the full-scale invasion, on march 24 , 2022, then the armed forces of ukraine hit the port of occupied berdyansk with the help of the tochka u missile complex, it managed to sink the large landing ship sarato a three more

were damaged, then on april 13, the loudest operation of the ukrainian forces, they managed to destroy the flagship of the black sea fleet, the cruiser moscow , as they said at the time, with two neptune missiles, russia claims that there was a fire on the ship and in october there was the first mass attack by naval and flying projectiles on pro-russian ships, according to unconfirmed data , several ships may have been damaged, in particular , the frigate admiral makarov, a carrier of cruise missiles caliber, but with which drones does ukraine attack russian ships, contact me, the manager of security programs of the center for global studies strategy 21 pavlo lakichuk i congratulate you pavla and he wants to start with what kind of ukrainian drones are these, who develops them, who develops them, i

won't tell you... kamikaze - this is a new type of weaponry for us and, in principle, in the world. this is a new type of weaponry, the same if the world powers are developing some kind of naval weapons or in weapons in general, this is usually an evolutionary process, there is some kind of disarmament, it is improved, then there is a qualitative leap. well, and this is a new type of weapon, a new tactic for its use, we did not have such opportunities, we had an enemy, an aggressor , we had no means to repel him, and we developed this weapon from scratch, roughly speaking , simultaneously from the material part and tactics it was used for the first time, sea drones were used somewhere in the summer. last year, in sevastopol, in cossack bay, the russians caught one of these sea drones and studied it

. well, they made a lot of noise and industry, but then it was a test launch. actually, we don’t have such a thing in our country. as in peacetime, production, design, production, test, then running tests, then state tests , then the acceptance scale of weapons, not under those conditions , they produced something, put it into combat work , they saw what was successful, what was successful, this is a new stage happens quite quickly in the fall. last year, sea drones from aerial drones carried out an attack in kostopil of the military base in kostopil in literally

six months, in three somewhat more drones went through a revolution in their development, both in the technical part and in the application, it can be said that the presentation took place at the start in turkey a- and at 20:23 the guides presented a 5v5 marine drone with tactical and technical characteristics of a range of 830 km with a heavy part of 320 km of explosives at the exhibition where i was control of course well, in general, they will look at the same electrons. sorry, parla. i think so, with the connection , can it be possible to cross it and sorry, if it will be possible

to fix the microphone once and for all, yes, i wanted to ask again, that is, the distance covered by the drone is actually not that short because it had to be possible to go through the crimea to completely bypass the crimea , what distance would they not be able to overcome, it is known , well, the distance from the launch site to the novorossiysk naval base is 740 km, approximately the stated technical characteristics are about 830 km, that is, even before that let's get to the scheme, yes, you said that initially such drones were used in sevastopol, that is, the russians managed to catch one drone. and in general, how difficult are they to detect or shoot down ? well, to say that similar drones were in

sevastopol is too bold there, and there were still around 50 combat units kg and a less powerful power plant, that is, an engine, but in general it was before 6 of these drones that are now entering the crimean city with a little russian naval name, it is quite difficult to detect them, but in fact when they are moving on an economical course by sea, then i detect them and they are small in size , not to be missed by the whole means of radar , which, nevertheless, if the observation of hemp or ships detects them at a line-of-sight distance of about 1.5 km- one and a half to the object

, the probability of their destruction by artillery and shooting means of warships is quite high. thank you very much. pavlo letiychuk, head of security programs of the strategy 21 center, was in touch with us . thank you. on ours

pages in social networks, we are on the air again on monday at 21:00 take care, congratulations, friends, we continue the informational broadcast of the espresso tv channel mykola veresen vitaly portnikov is with us, it is important because we will now take how we will broadcast with us i as a viewer when i looked at you like this and i will not put people to sleep, for sure, if you are looking at me, then you are also my audience, we will now talk with roman svitanok , a military expert, to the colonels of the reserve of the armed forces of ukraine, to the military pilots , to the instructors, congratulations, mr. roman, he said let's go, so to speak. let's start with the story of alina the miner. what a beautiful name. it's a beautiful name

. it's a beautiful name. where does it come from? it's incredible. and by the way, i think it's caesar kunikov . what's that? well, that's the name of this uh-huh, we're not wrong. i can be wrong. okay, no , you're not . you can be wrong, this is some evil people say that timur, you are not capable of being wrong. so , roman, what happened to our beautiful alinegorsk miner, how did the ukrainian forces get there, what was it, how exotic is it, or do we have to wait now? in the next series , will there be a second series, the second act of the merylizan ballet? this is most likely because he was chosen to carry out a combat mission, this is us or the work

of the security service of ukraine together with the navy, which has been working for almost an hour. tasks to destroy everything that floats russian everything that floats is how normal russian sailors walk and this is the kind of drones they are the first time we saw them on october 28 last year when they were attacked sevastopol bay and then several russian ships were damaged. well, the strike , including on the crimean bridge, approximately the same drones performed the task.

the joint production of these two is correct, we just took it upon ourselves, we didn’t give any insight, they already recognized something, their work is good drones, it’s the name of one of them, it’s not the only drones , there are a lot of shots, about a dozen, about one of the named ones eh and cn highlighted this maguravy five mm drone at a range of 800 and maybe 1000 km eh up to half a ton of ammunition it is not all here up to a half a ton it is a good such hit to the side of the ship and to the stern later or to the stern and it leads here to what the trouble is that here we see it. the result is that this is already a standard set of actions of our services and it is put on the stream a-a this is our production - it is our drones . of the grain deal, then we would have the entire black sea fleet

suffer from such drones, well, there is another hour , as i understand it, we will fight until next spring and summer, and we will still fight because the black sea fleet is not all lost yet. by the way , i wanted to make you understand that the same oliganikorsky gornyak is not a ship of the black sea work, it is a ship of the northern fleet. there are not very many large amphibious ships, but a little later they are all bdk. well, the ones that could at least fulfill the combat mission . then they were able to tell the final number of vessels that they have and eh now these questions are all eh mm eh they solve eh these all

questions are solved eh already by our drones with these ships but this ship on on its main task is, of course, landing, but it can be used as a ferry to transport a large amount of equipment, e.e., with the life force, e.e. such a steamboat is one of the main goals therefore, it was chosen as the main target for destruction, since our main task now is to cut off all routes for the supply of military products to krym. and of course, the krymsky bridge is a ferry crossing that has not been reached for a long time. this is a military asset, but i want large amphibious ships. i want a little bit left. i think it

will eventually go to zero and we will tie up the land corridor. well, not the land, sea, land , it’s crimea, the crimean bridge and the sea corridor. bdk some of them still have a vessel and the air corridor will also have to be solved because they can also transfer a fairly serious amount through the air and the entire sixth . to crimea, there will be a system connected to the airfields and airplanes in the air, mr. roman , such a clarifying question. novorossiysk it floats somewhere and then gets into novorossiysk on an internal raid this uh-uh this boat explodes i how is it technologically is it somewhere they drop their own from

a plane or i how does it get from point a to point b uh considering point b - this the russian coast is already novorossiysk, well, that’s what from any point on our coast, eh, such eh, such becks . this is how it is called without a crew. let it reach 800 km in 10 hours, but let it be there with certain manors after another 2-3 hours well, he comes out of it enough, so to speak, engines and fuel are enough to cross the entire black sea, because we are not a problem, it’s absolutely impossible already small ones

the scattering area, then it is quite easy to manage this process, and there were already a few satellite pictures, they are in the information field, these pictures are in the information field when the ships are leaving and from the side of our coast from the region of the south-western region mr. roman look, this is a very important question, we understand that you are a pilot, but we are constantly talking about the sea. the russian federation has withdrawn a large naval group into the black sea. this is because they began to fear the attacks of such unmanned boats. and in novorossiya. somewhere else there, their boats can get them. ukrainian naval drones. and when it comes out , it is permissible to leave the frame or it comes out

. marine formation in the sea. they have it. which are very difficult to approach both from the air and from the sea from uh and underwater position, that is, uh, ships defend themselves better just in the chech sea and the most interesting thing is that the further from the shore it is better for whom, therefore, it can be just the task in these ships of the outgoing ships, this is just self-defense - this is a moment of self - defense, and the next one. eh gate eh and back and forth dvigaetsya sufficiently big the amount of oil products that it is necessary to somehow introduce can be behind the point of application of force. well, i don't think that our

special services will behave somehow if there is a task, they will destroy not tennye terminals, they will they will destroy, yes, this is the question. i simply do not know such a phrase. maybe you know that a marine drone destroyed an oil lighthouse near novorossiysk . what is an oil lighthouse? i have never heard of such lighthouses, although i was even a long-distance sailor in novorossiysk myself it is a port for the transshipment of e-er to energy, that is, e-er, petroleum products and everything related to e-er with oil, diesel, and this level of washing machines is of this type, e-er , some kind of entrance gate for the entry of oil tankers e-er in the oil tankers, and there may be pipes on

them, and already the pipes themselves. well, here is the beginning, let’s assume that the plume or oil filling takes place just in the area of ​​these oil tanker lighthouses, that is, it is approaching. the ship does not enter port a on a raid he can, er, without going into ford, stop near such lighthouses for draining or filling therefore, this is the destruction, this is already the destruction of the structures themselves, they are pulling the structure of this park, one more question, now for the pilot , i am reading the training plan for ukrainian pilots on the f-16, which is still not approved, which means that i am not even asking. and how much can you retrain? okay, if the plan not approved, if it is approved, for example, on september 1, how long will it take to retrain ukrainian pilots so that, conditionally , by the new year, we received nadiya in 16, and

trained f16 pilots three months in three months , pilots will be retrained, first-class pilots of the first and second class will be retrained with a raid somewhere under 1,000 hours, eh, they will be retrained for any type , for any type of fighter, that is, but only must be fighters, that is, pilots , fighters of the first, second class, with a raid of 1,000 hours in 3 months, will be retrained for any type eh, the world destroyer, and this is an accelerated program, so-called. well, this is really a retraining program, somewhere up to six months later, based on the fact that they will start to study. we will already have an air force, and there is an opportunity at the end of the year to receive some part of the aircraft already with ready pilots who can perform combat tasks. well

, the main ones are already six months from september , that is, somewhere in the first quarter -е следу ющего года and how many planes do you think are needed in order for this to be felt at the front there? 10 because we are not, we are not experts . and enemies and our fighters so that we learn that we have a new powerful force, one of the quadrille is about 12 planes , one of the quadrille is 12 planes in order to complete the combat task on one section of the flotilla on one, and the brigade needs uah 2,300 and 2,300 drills there are already around 40 airplanes, that is, up to 40 airplanes - this is one brigade. and then the russians are on one part of the front, this is on some kind of

breakthrough there along the road, let's say under fire, but only on one they will feel clearly in this place i will feel it what appeared, uh, in our time, how did the hammers uh, uh, show themselves? yes, there is a game-changer like this, but on one site, and this is how many sites, that 's how much we need to attract, that's the reality. we will have three sites, we need three brigades, about 120 aircraft, then 120 airplanes, yes, it will be a large-scale, full-scale offensive action, but there is really enough for one begady for one direction, 40 airplanes. well, let's finish, do you still have a question for mr. roman, which is related to, er, these helicopters that appeared in in the airspace of belarus. to what extent do you consider this to be a coincidence? can a helicopter so accidentally fly into someone else 's airspace? is this after all such an obvious provocation that it was, well, in 1995, i retrained as a fighter for the mi-24 helicopter, it

's like this i flew a little on it for about a year and a half, in my opinion, up to 2 years, i flew in 97, until 97 , yes, for two years, that’s right, these helicopters and pilots clearly knew that they were not crossing the border of poland, that is, they were performing a combat mission at peresechnie gosferendu yes at what speed can the plane somehow be at a high altitude, somehow tie it at a corner along the azimuth, it will jump over there for a kilometer two eh yes, you will not notice this, but the helicopter pilots and helicopters knew for sure at these heights at low altitudes uh, that's why the flight is called, so to speak, according to the scarf , that's how the pilots knew for sure that they were not crossing the border , uh, and the task was set, let 's fly there for 3 km and come back, it's