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we will be shown the so-called family of the mother who now in the people it is already a mother, and there they are already changing it to a trident, here we see it now, now it will be raised shorter every minute literally there is a broadcast of the fact that instead of this soviet coat of arms, i don't remember what it was, the coat of arms will be a ukrainian trident i i can say about myself that i witnessed how in that anecdote i saw a deer. so i saw brezhnev twice in my life, once in moscow and once in kyiv. it was when he came and we students were forced to meet and wave some flags. that's why he was so sedentary. and i won't say that he was alive, i won't say that he was dead, but even in life, you can't say how important it is. mr. andriy, this

is the first question: how much have these signs of sovietism changed, because for 30 years i always told people to let let's remove the reindeer or remove these signs, they told me yes , it will not affect lenin in any way, or there will be no lenin, because of this sausage will not appear in the store , and we will live better or worse, we will not become like this, these symbols are really important . as you can see we still they have come to the point that all these symbols need to be removed from ukraine, it was clearly accepted at first, or rather, at first , there was even, conditionally speaking, the will of the people to throw out part of the lenins, so, conditionally speaking, it is outside the legislative field, when it did not exist

when lenin fell there in kyiv, relatively speaking, and before that, let's talk about the fact that in the 90s, all these linemen there and all other activists were thrown out like that in galicia , but less with the legislative one, we have a law on decommunization. by the way, it is precisely under this law and they should remove this hammer and sickle from the mother's motherland, yes, that is, in essence, this is not even about what we are doing there , someone is cleaning there. how the law was adopted seven years ago and finally implemented, the norm of the law was actually implemented, so regarding the dismantling of this symbol , and the second question.

six months, in fact, are already not easy decommunize and should decolonize the ukrainian space away from us , monuments, symbols, etc. from europe, which were under the syrian and socialist there, so that's right, we have to build our ukrainian and in the end we have to talk about the fact that the sovka period is essentially from well, let's say de facto partly 1919 and 21-22 years, here you can different different yes so to speak, the chronicles, conditionally speaking, also note that in fact it was to a certain extent an occupation and not to a certain extent, but then in the 20s it really

was. the occupation of ukraine was carried out, therefore decommunization, decommunization, cleansing from the russian world is a completely languid, completely adequate and completely up-to-date process which today we are experiencing it and it is a pity that we are experiencing it today and not as mr. mykola, you said that many years ago this process should have started probably in the 90s, but we have what we have, it is good that we are now getting to this point regarding the motherland mothers are also there. by the way, there are quite different opinions of different people. someone says that it is good to change it to a trident, and someone says no . in fact, it is also a monument of the soviet era and it should also be demolished, so here, that is, there are also certain controversial opinions and people too. relatively speaking, they have different points of view on

this, but what i emphasize once again are these symbols, all the soviet monuments, these soviet names , as for the russian world, the usual should be taken out of ukraine and forward with your feet and at the scrap metal, mr. andrii, look now already to international affairs. these are exactly the questions that i had ready , just here. this story from kyiv, this homeland, and i want to ask you quite a lot of such questions, and to which i do not know how to answer myself. well, for example, we know that in saudi a huge number of leaders and not only leaders of different countries are gathering in arabia, and the president's office said that at the meeting in saudi arabia , the countries will distribute the points of the peace formula , the peace formula is meant to be the formula

proposed by the president of ukraine, mr. zelensky there are some 10, i don't remember for sure how many points there are. and what is the distribution of the points of the forms of peace among the countries participating in the meeting in saudi arabia? how to decipher it? well, i think that the official decoding of this will be more accurate after that how will this summit take place, but in theory if the brothers there are in principle similar, they are similar, as this probably happens within the framework

of international such percentages. conditionally speaking, a part or one or two or three points that they will promote. that is, we understand that there is a part of all the points , yes, about ensuring the security of our state, yes , not all states can guarantee security, not all want to guarantee, not all want to participate in it, but someone wants, someone can, here are the points related to security guarantees , for example, some states will really want to take part in this and will want to promote the development of these things, here is, for example, the first process, the second process, let's assume within the framework economic recovery within the framework of maybe some things that will relate to the pressure on the aggressor state, that is, if we even look at the list of those states , those representatives who participate in the summit

of saudi arabia, it is quite so colorful, it is not as unambiguous as, let's say, rammstein is happening there this is how the nato summit is taking place there , there are clearly states that share our point of view by 90% 99% and, relatively speaking, practically all states that are really opponents are enemies. i am not i know, russia can be called decisive in different ways, so it is a very important issue for ordinary people, that is, conventionally speaking, that some economic points are taken over, among other things, there. well , the same saudi arabia, and this means that saudi arabia says well. our prince will call putin and something

he will tell him, and then maybe the indian prime minister will also say that i will call putin and say something about the economy, yes . to explain and say that you can't behave like that and you have to behave like that and it will be worse for you, right, i understood that they can't , well, of course, support ukraine, how does germany or great britain or the usa support them, they can, if we are talking about economic points , then let's assume that support of any humanitarian projects in ukraine, here are the states that you just named, they cannot say that we will provide you with lethal weapons yes, but they can say that we will provide you with humanitarian aid

there such and such and such can do this they can the first is already good, well, in principle, it is good, the second question is about the account of this telephone yes or no or contacts with russia, yes, in principle they can say we will put pressure on russia to achieve, conditionally speaking , some sort of peace, yes, that is, to force russia to leave their point of view of course, some of these countries can conditionally speaking become guarantors of security . well, we do not understand that these are not the guarantors, as it is assumed that in theory the usa or

britain or other countries could become, but let's assume conditionally speaking, yes, india could say yes, if some agreements are reached in the future, we can also join. is china the same and become security guarantors, conditionally speaking? well, we understand that these security guarantees are they will never be a substitute for the guarantees provided by nato introduction but again, when we talk about the distribution, in the future, if there are these security guarantees, then there will also be a complete distribution of who will provide what to ukraine and who will help in the event that if there is in the future, your conflict means some other incidents, that's how i understand this situation. thank you very much. thank you very much. andrii smoliy, political expert

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's not pay attention to what lukashenko says he constantly says different you can't always follow, you can't find some kind of line, and they also tell me no , you need to pay attention to lukashenka, he can do something, it can be important, mr. pavlyk , to pay attention to lukashenka or not, well, i don't see any of his policies as gradual steps in some direction. today, he has such steps in this direction tomorrow in this direction the day after tomorrow back the day after tomorrow forward and and and why on him now he said drew my attention that wagner will be the basis of the contract army which contract army which wagner well well some absurdity that's all what do you think tell me

the grace here is that mazdat politics will be like a leader when they pay attention to him. and viburnum - they will organize because of course 95% of what he says is purely for his own satisfaction for pr. they fight back well, what are they doing, what am i not doing? and here is lukashenko, one, here is one such page, a source of information , yes, what can heterosexuality be, and yesterday he said that he wanted the wagnerians in poland , so they are all rushing there the day before yesterday, i did not ask how many corridors there were, but today he he says and you know, i was joking, this is right, it's burning in boiled water. yes, i was joking. well, i'm allowing myself to stand on the first side of the neighboring honeys with which every bow

is pre- wagnered. hometown yes and it's good that you're in ukraine they don't listen to everything that it means, it says yes because a-a recently, he collected, well , now it's harvesting time in belarus and it's lukashenko's favorite time because he can go around the collective farms, it means lukashenko is coming to vegas for the razheny combiners there there, uh, i'm looking out for you. combiners in white t-shirts, oh, and the t-shirt is whiter than my shirt. yes, it means they are in clean blue overalls like this. oh , yes, we are combiners. yes, this means that the summit will come. during the harvest, yes, and he understands how the earth is damned in oil yes, but in everything it’s just that these are in the dust of this combine yes well, it’s shorter and send these people and for three minutes i

told them about geopolitics and there it was. you will share it with your listeners and viewers. yes, that's it you'll find this post, i'm just not going to repeat it, there were factual errors and just some fantasies, guesses . yes, the stupid meaning is that the usa wants to destroy her lesson. they want to do it, such buffers from poland , belarus, and ukraine remember russia, and here is the question , yes , and it is shifted in between.

измешановымы yes, that’s what you said. and you’ll understand that you don’t need to believe in detail and listen to everything that lukashenko says. one more question . it seems important. yes, we are beautiful. i appreciated at least these white coats, they are all like that when i go to the village, i used to go, and i know that this is the only way they go when milking cows , then everyone is like that in white, very like that with manicures, the girls are usually without a doubt, well, well, row must yes, yes, everything , but sir, but also amazing moments when they say wagner sovakskyi corridor there he is there well, when i just think what is the polish army what is the nato army what is the lithuanian army where are the germans already standing where are the planes it's not minutes it's seconds

it's not even minutes it's not 5 minutes it's 38 seconds and their no, how serious is this? well, how seriously should we take this? all the games of lukashenko plus wagner plus this plus this they then they go to the sulak corridor then they go to lithuania then they say we will move closer to ukraine now and so on. worry uh buy a machine gun and wait for them to appear here in lviv and you have to shoot at them. is it that simple again? there was bla bla bla to worry, to worry about this , you need detailed information in ukraine, and here are a lot of other people who are worried, but here

what's important? yes, this is lukashenko, who today says one thing today, the other five wagners - what kind of truths are they ? there they made no circle and flew back and the whole world thinks that this was in the air yes, i think that it will come back and feel it yes , yes, there is hope, yes, there is a desire for borders, yes, there are radars, and there are guards on duty. did they notice the helicopters or not? and after trying them, someone will land the non-attempted one. what will be the reaction later and the inspection was held ? in principle, the helicopters, as we conduct them on the radars, were on the polish radars and noticed the land , just people in the white tower in the city. yes,

they looked at the helicopters flying and such a man is alone i was with a star, he says it’s necessary on the tail, yes, on the second, i mean i won’t see it. well, of course, the helicopter is delayed. byelorussian, yes , it means that the tension is playing in poland. i didn’t do it to them and no one noticed them. yes, i’m not starting to ask questions . play razgoydvoe, the government that exists in poland. lukashenko putin, i don't understand how to hack democracy. yes, i don't take advantage of the weaknesses of our system . yes , we have uh-- knowledge of officials. - well, they will affect the country. yes, no matter how many osypovich people are not satisfied

with the wagnerites, and they can't do anything. the question is important, we started talking about helicopters, about helicopters . maybe you know, while no one knows in ukraine, they cannot understand, but they say that 10 helicopters and nine fighter jets of the russian federation took off from belarus. can you explain something, why this is so suddenly, such a redeployment of 10 helicopters and five and nine planes returned from e from belarus well, here we have to think that i was not doing there in belarus yes, the knees were just standing for the entrance there then and again in there is a place in russia

их производить yes, the pistons seem to have been around since october, and the territory of belarus has not been used for several months to attack ukraine. well, it means that helicopters and airplanes are, in principle, unnecessary there , and even the airfield on which we did not call the area, that is, in this war, it is the land of ukraine, and it is what is used. i don't see in this subject the fact that an attack from belarus is still not planned in the near future , and again, the sbu had information about the preparation of a terrorist attack at the mazyr oil refinery. yes provocation can be etoract can be alley it is not how to lead belarus to the war anyway , it is a fact of poaching well, good clip

and here are the russian planes and helicopters that have taken off. yes, that may be all, here are the items for that. i also have some more. well, a little bit about leaving the helicopters and planes to get to wagner. you may not want to. let's remember what 's important . in principle, they can do it march-throw well, a wagnerian with a helicopter is already well, it’s an inshal already, how is it already such a threat, normal than just a wagnerot there, uh, a truck on a car well, in short, it can be like that , they are hiding useful equipment and those who i can potentially capture well, i would one more question was asked by the news , i can't. and the question is simply that no one asks it. think about this interesting question. and what will happen if the ukrainians hit belarus and the russians in belarus? what will be the reaction of belarus, this is interesting. but you literally have 20 seconds. i think which is exactly the same as poland's reaction to the helicopters, belarus will not be able to do anything with ukrainians on ukrainian territory and do

maxim, there is a threat to renew the russian strikes to refuse, but the fact is that belarus will not be able to refuse anything. thank you for being with us now there will be news anna and eva melnyk are ready to announce them and we will see you just after the news ms. anna eva good evening this is how the news editor is ready to tell about the most important of the is taking place in ukraine and the world, and this issue begins exactly that in saudi arabia regarding peace in ukraine. saudi arabia has begun negotiations on peace in ukraine . high-ranking officials from 40 countries