[000:00:00;00] the russians how much they spent yesterday in one or another missile launch against ukraine and they say that every such news somehow brings victory closer. i think that we just need to be patient and wait for the development of events on the battlefield , this is how to count the russian defense line and who went where and who is there for what approached, well, this is such a somewhat thankless business. thank you, girls , anton pavlushko, analyst of international intelligence, joint review-inform napalm, we were in touch. we thank you for this conversation, and we turn to our new expert. pavlo klimkin greetings mr. pavlyk good evening sir greetings greetings good evening let's start with the jindi how much to live in general how much do you think that such forums where ukraine participates but russia does not in general can be considered formulas of peace maybe this is a form of non- form of peace and pressure on the aggressor can

so it is correct to call the race, you can call it whatever you want. the main thing is that this is actually the first attempt to gather in one location, almost at the same table , the west and the non-west, and of course not all representatives of the west and not all representatives of of the event and not those who ultimately make the decision, but most of those who prepare such decisions , so i think that this is success, success not in the sense of the result, of course, but in the sense that the fact of the meeting is not the event, and finally, it is understandable to talk a second time it is clear that most of the non-western countries talked with russia in advance, they held some kind of confidential consultations

, but nevertheless there is a format in which russia is not present and political for the non-west to be there means that the russian options, the russian logic of moving forward is no longer clear to them therefore, how will this process develop further, and this is actually a process, many more preparatory meetings will be needed on all issues and on individual sectoral issues, eh, while the preparation is normal, we can talk about the poet movement, but only if it will take place in the near future, as i understand it the ambition to hold it in the fall will already have a lot of expectations for the summit. if you want, the point of truth here will be moments and walls and points and walls and topics, and yet who will

convince whom, the americans, the chinese, or the chinese , the global south, support their approach, no i think that there will be several processes here, one does not concern the west and the west will try to understand whether it has the lowest denominator , the second process - it will primarily concern the americans who will talk to the chinese, but not only because most western countries still believe that the americans have the keys to further progress, if it happens, it does not mean that they are completely broadcasting the russian logic that the americans are fighting russia on our territory but nevertheless, they

cannot imagine any progress without the americans well and in the end the rest within the framework of the event, although there is a general general strategy eh but nevertheless, within the framework of the event, there are certain differences and a conversation with a non-event, why this is quite different, the chinese and the saudis and the indians and many others, it will actually show that it's also a difficult moment, how consolidated and solidary the event is. well, of course, our participation is why i could count at least four processes that will run in parallel, mr. pavla, it will rain here. the united states commented on the purpose of the event. so this is not a conversation about ending war and about the global understanding of peace is just interesting because it seems to be very different for everyone, especially since you characterized the countries of the west and non-western countries, is it common at least among the countries of the west that peace is specifically

a return to the territory where the borders of 91 yes, but here it is. if you want my short answer, the west has come to the logic that living with this regime on one planet will not really work, but the logic of the west is a strategic complex logic, unlike us. because we emotionally want a military victory and quickly the west wants to reboot russia although it will not say it publicly, it will not talk about the goal of regime change as it is used in american jargon but nevertheless, it perfectly understands that the controlled strategic process, which includes military elements, elements of isolation

, elements of economic pressure, elements of psychological pressure, are the same on for example , the warrants of the international criminal court , since there is a legal component, but as you perfectly understand the psychological component and , on the one hand, well, it is as usual the glass is half empty or half full, someone believes that western sanctions do not work quickly, and someone looks at the russian macroeconomics and sees that this year they generally have a surplus of 20 billion, which does not allow them to maintain a macroeconomic balance next year, and this means that for the putin regime, time is also e- e disappears gradually, that

is, each of us has a worldview, vitali remains , but if you compare it with the previous year, this winter is e. year, but almost to zero with additional military and other expenses. but next year, this will definitely not happen. there are different estimates, different models, because their statistics are such that it cannot be trusted. someone tells me there is a 25 billion surplus, and someone tells me that this year there will be zero, there are different models, then they will name the numbers in advance and all of you, the rest of the event, uh, has the logic of a strategic victory, but this strategic victory, as you perfectly understand , is different from our emotional logic, and this is

understandable, since our nerves are open and we at the end of the day, we carry all those mountains, and human ones, not only human ones in this story. but as far as the west is concerned, according to my conversations there, as they say, cancer did not lie around for more than a whistle . that is, there are very different approaches, very different logic, and of course the americans want to talk about the future, about the future, what will the future security system look like, what will relations with this russian regime look like, who will do what and who is ready for what? are the chinese ready to put pressure on russia at some point, if they are ready, then for what and under what conditions, as well hindus, turks, saudis, too, that's why we must put

together this solitaire, this mosaic . well, of course, one meeting in judea will not be enough. air alert from the western regions, they have started, but part of ukraine is still red, so to speak, so everyone who is still under threat, please stay in shelter, please, what do you think about the situation related to polish-ukrainian relations how do you generally characterize the atmosphere or the mutual accusations, and what's more, you have already been warned that ukraine will not become a member of the european union if it does not accept the polish version of the tragedy in volyn, which was announced by an official official of the ministry of foreign affairs. questions, i characterize it in two words. well

, that's a completely simplified emotional crisis, and uh, this crisis could have been 100% avoided. with the poles at the official level and for the poles, who always have a very , very sensitive, sometimes even painful, attitude towards official gestures, well, it was absolutely clear that the ambassador's challenge would cause an emotional little explosion there, and such an explosion would not only affect the polish political system, but now in this story that dot is actually not one such final bold dot and you dot i think that the poles will not put sticks in our wheels in the process of joining the eu due to the events in volyn and another question

, but we will definitely return to these questions it won't be a simple conversation just like it won't be a simple conversation during cross-border negotiations. i expect that not only agriculture. i remember very well even the association agreement, and here everything will be with a factor of 25, at least 25, so the conversations will be very emotional, nervous, they are constantly will fly into the public sphere, and here we have orban, who has probably already drawn up a strategy for how to use the beginning of the opening negotiations with us and hungary - this will definitely be done. i think that, well, let's look at the result of the elections in slovakia there too, in fact, everything can change for us not in the best way, bulgaria is, therefore, in fact

, our partnership and our alliance from central europe requires a new strategy, and in the correction of our strategy, and ah, including an emotional correction, i would say so and secondly, i absolutely do not understand when, especially . now we cannot pick up the phone and simply dial someone, since everyone has all the numbers. well, that’s great. it’s as clear as you can write in some chat, but that’s not the case. you can get less. i'm always in favor of such a friendly, frank style if necessary. but nevertheless, he should be friendly, and i believe that we poles have no other way out, we will still be a fundamental part of hydro.

no matter how the events in this country develop in russia , and that is why we, the poles , give this trust. we critically need it. if we entrust it with such emotional things , testing it will later cost us a lot, so now the question is very simple with there were no sprouts of an emotional crisis of some other crisis and this can be avoided. i am sure. i talked a lot with my polish friends, they say that you have a hundred percent reaction to this, it is possible and necessary to avoid what is the clarification regarding your answer, after all, the deterioration of relations with poland is only emotional exhaustion and some of our certain mistakes or informational propaganda of russia and these throws that they have made in recent months of informational propaganda of russia

there er-er there there you know above something is possible that is they work on polish farms and mine polish friends are just catching posts on social networks there, all this is absolutely known, the poles are working on it, but this is the case when we should not give russia devices so that they hunt us down. they are very helpful to the alternative, er, such a party of rights, they help er, in other central european countries, they work in italy , in france, this is what i know from er, from my friends. that is, it cost a lot of money and will cost more. but if we let's keep normal and have communication then everything will be okay and

again with the poles it's the same uh actually great solitaire it's not only grain it's not only the exchange of some emotional things we have to talk to them about the future they always wanted to be unique for us partner and what does this mean that we become not just strategic super strategic features strategic i now have 20 if not more different formulations of the concept of benefits but really unique what does this mean from the point of view of our interaction and economic political emotional what does this mean from the point of view of our view of history, what does it mean from the point of view of our coordination in relation to other countries . that is, we need to sit down and talk about it. already now, because sometimes the poles start to worry and say that, after all, they made an effort and it was our sincere

history and now uh well, we are not sure until the end whether you consider us a unique partner or whether it will continue poles have their own gonner ego it is possible to love it is possible no love us ukrainians our attitude to history agree but that does not mean that we should do so emotional bursts that later cause my joy in the kremlin thank you thank you pavlo klimkin diplomat minister of foreign affairs of ukraine during 2014-2019 was in direct contact with us and we will now return to our studio because the air alert has already ended and we will return to the air wanted to become a rescuer, but

went to war. yuliya koroleva, junior sergeant of the armed forces of ukraine , a woman has been serving in the army since 2017. she wanted to leave earlier , but she became pregnant. and only when her daughter grew up did she voluntarily go to war in our sumy rvk refused me, said that he is not bothering the child, go home, and i called my friend, i went with him to toretsk battalion, the 15th sumy motorized infantry battalion of the 58th brigade, e-e, i went with him to toretske, i took e-e the attitude of the battalion commander, with this attitude, i came i will show him to the military commissariat in sumy, you have no right to refuse me. we are waiting there, and she joined the army without training. she immediately went to her sisters in the daughters of the soviet union, in positions in combat conditions with them

, and gained the necessary experience. yulia was interested in everything i fired with various weapons, went with the boys to the trenches and night shifts and always served very close to the enemy. the military positions were several hundred meters from the roshests . i had to give them to the boys to sign and such a very tough shelling began, uh, shooting, shooting, it was very easy, because everything was a friend with a friend nearby, and he told me to fall, hide, i sat down and put this blue folder on my head and thought that i can't see him, he fell into the ditch and i understand that i'm sitting like that, i'm looking at him, he's not here, it was as it seems, it was so funny, even life was after that i became a little more collected and began to understand something and how to behave and what was teasing

enemies with a ukrainian song. i sat on the positions and loved to sing the national anthem of ukraine, something caviar ukrainian songs, and we had a gencreatynska and it was audible as if a bufenka. the russian says again it's an increase, we have a song, a poet, you tortured me. if you're going to sing like that, i'll send you to you, i'll send you after this incident , an unexpected adventure happened with yulia at the positions, she got an invitation to the x-factor show , she went there from the trenches, passed the casting and got into the live broadcasts right then found out that the woman, who was pregnant for the second time, was transferred to dnipro and continued her service in the eastern operational command last year on february 24. the woman was still on

maternity leave, but from the first days she started helping the army and in april she returned to brothers, i'm starting volunteer help for my combatant. well, yulia says, what's this? well, you're already going on duty, it was probably april, yes, april. go on duty now, what are you riding? you'll still be helping us and riding. she's already here on duty and brought there are a lot of medicines from western ukraine, and our battalion medics have been moved into the orchestra. i’m all the way i write , the orchestras are catching up . i need medics so quickly. i brought you the medicines, then i offered yulia to turn her talent into service, and she ended up in the military orchestra. command, at first the woman hesitated because she did not understand the possibility of singing for the front. but after the first trip to the front, when she saw the eyes of the soldiers, their reaction to

the concerts, she understood that she would remain in the group . they travel in places where it is difficult for ordinary musicians to reach along the entire front line, close to enemy positions . the occupiers are now drinking in ukraine, once we were in kherson as soon as its uh-uh how to say special forces and we drove into the same brigade and it turned out that the landing was near rashistiv uh-uh somewhere 1.5 km maybe we don't have two electric guitars, one bass guitar, a mini-drum, the foreman made a mini-drum himself, that's how they will have a cymbal, and bionica, and we are two, two people who sing, we won't be allowed to take even a drum, we took one guitar and one tambourine and it happened like that in the field of planting and we gave such a mini-concert there, we sowed tambarak and we were born, we drove the cossacks such and such

interesting songs well, we sing so quietly so that they would not hear, but later, as it turned out, they still heard what we said there woman i am confident that i will not leave the army and after the victory i dream of getting an officer's rank and becoming a commander. i want to go back before the summer because i am sure that i will not be a politician there and the boys will listen to me because i believe that it is normal to be a human commander , to be a human being and to help the guys and not just to become a tongue and follow it, i want to change this army at least a little and become a politician there and show my example further khrystyna parubiy tv channel espresso i congratulate you this is freedom life on the radio freedom we are already came to the very change, the following frames may shock you news from the scene live

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a ukrainian point of view bezstrashna is ready to help the wounded at any moment khrystyna tymo junior sergeant nurse of the medical department 24 of a separate mechanized brigade. she came to the army with medical experience. she worked in a civilian hospital for three years, however, after being on maternity leave, she immediately left to help the military at the front . at that time , her father and brother were already serving in the armed forces of ukraine . there is always a shortage of doctors. it was true that tactical medicine is the provision of first aid in college . evacuation in popasnaya there and met the full-scale russian invasion, then muscovites began to bomb the whole country. but in the place itself, the great war was not yet felt

, the heat became fierce. at the beginning of march , we were definitely shelled by hail and we were just leaving the room and flew into the corner of the building where it happened to be girls' room this is the first time we felt that there was definitely a war to begin with. at the beginning , a full-scale russian invasion was one of the hottest spots on the front . khrystyna worked there in the stabilization the point of the brigade, the wounded were continuously brought, mainly the heavy ones, we had to rescue them day and night, they put on drips, anesthetized them and prepared them for transportation to the hospital, they brought the boy to us at the stabilization point just as the car was coming, our doctor ran up to the car and looked, but he was already in a clinical coma because he was already this one wasn’t breathing either, and it was as if they took him out of this world, they immediately

intubated him and provided all the medical assistance. had to be under constant shelling, the aviation did not subside, it makes it more difficult, besides, during the great war, the types of injuries changed, they became more difficult, many had to have their limbs amputated, they were so injured, so they didn't want to be taken to the hospital, we said no, then you rewind me , sew me up i'm coming back because the guys are there, the mood is militant, it's when amputations of arms, legs, abdominal injuries are very difficult to do there and you try to evacuate him to the hospital as soon as possible. it is the flower of the nation. you can say that there are a lot of disabled people. there will be khrystyna ovisko

for almost two years and continues to save the wounded, sometimes she manages to come and see her children for a few days, because her six-year-old son and nine-year-old daughter are waiting for her at home. they have to return to the front very soon. by historian mykhailo yakubovich greetings, mykhailo , well, let's talk about whether or not we can really expect the arrival of vladimir putin to turkey, his negotiations with rajab maldogan, regarding the return of moscow to a mischievous agreement, because it was only spoken about in passing and very carefully, as it is known that putin will come, the kremlin still does not confirm any such possibilities, the kremlin confirms possible meetings, but does not confirm that this meeting will take place specifically in turkey. apparently, they are groping for the lines of confrontation before this meeting with the aim that putin i arrived and

left for erdoğan, i was not left empty-handed , at least the grain agreement was given the light to return to it, but we see how many components have now been included in this issue, but literally today there was a conversation in kuleba with a turkish colleague on this topic, that is, there are certain impulses to try to return to this agreement. well, the second point is the gas hub, the projects that he and putin discussed a long time ago. simply, if putin comes, he will leave and there is no grain agreement, and there is nothing, the hard man will be left with nothing, and that is why erdogan is showing his readiness, but this readiness must end with some real steps where erdogan can show the world community that he is not just there with a war

criminal he meets for peace he continues the policy of peacekeeping activities and humanitarian missions, that is why there is such a misunderstanding regarding this meeting. that is, this window has not yet been fully used, and what did putin mean in the telephone conversation with erdogan when he said that the event must fulfill its obligations under the istanbul agreements taken before russia , what is it about, let's say so, if in the context of the grain agreement, it is the connection of the banks of the world , there are certain banks, it is the unblocking of the export of russian food, the lifting of sanctions, and it is good in the mineral sector, which now they hung up, and besides, there was also a known soft cable, but now he probably left the notice, that is, at least this is the lifting of part of the sanctions, this is what is being announced not publicly, or rather publicly, but what is not publicly putin meant here, we see

a significant escalation in the black sea from