[000:00:00;00] the territory of this country but nevertheless erdoğan would hardly pat putin on the head for the fact that erdoğan's grain agreement project has gone into the past and the geopolitical property of the turkish president is actually now completely leveled, nevertheless, will erdoğan manage to find weak points uh, in the russian federation, putin has and put pressure on them. perhaps in other aspects, will he do it, or does he have an interest in this now after winning the elections in turkey , and putin is on erdogan’s hook, and erdogan will screw him up. the last one drops, everything that can be taken from russia, turkey will take even without signing the rome statute, she will deprive him of money

, influence, everything possible, and strangle him in brotherly arms. depending on yourself, offering yourself as a mediator, but in fact, look, i’m just going to run my fingers through this influence in syria, where there are groups of russians - this is in libya, this is the north caucasus, where russia has lost influence due to turkey, this is the central where has russia lost its influence in asia? this is also the black sea basin, where the turkish fleet dominates. this is transport and economic assistance to russia so that it can maintain its potential and continue the same war, and it is the aviation routes that give russia the opportunity to say that it is not isolated. and it can keep aviation there and maintain aviation connections with other countries, that is, erdogan has a whole series of trump cards on which he can put pressure, and i think that he will fit into them because

moscow depends on ankara, and not ankara on moscow, and that's why i said that putin would not like this visit. he understands that he will be asked to go, but he will be forced to obey. i think that erdogan can even return putin to the grain agreement because he has lost economic gains, he has to fight inflation inside turkey, which is after the elections. yes, he won , but the economic situation needs to be fixed, and then he strikes precisely at the weak points, not at turkey's food security, because it took at a discount this grain and figure processed it and supplied it there in the muslim arab world itself, that's why i think that erdogan will take crimea under his control under the flag of international control and , well, temporarily it is meant to be returned to ukraine and he will wring everything out of moscow and everything possible. thank you very much, ruslan, for the conversation on these topics, the consultation

meeting with saudi arabia continues. well, we are waiting for some information about the date of a possible meeting between erdogan and putin in turkey, as it became known recently, and ruslan was with you osypenko, a diplomat on the phone, a short pause on espresso and let's talk about the prospects of banning the activities of the russian branch of the fsb in ukraine, the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, there are discounts on waterproof varnish amodern neo for the treatment of nail fungus, 10% in pharmacies we woke up rested and full of strength, but from the old mattress , the whole body constantly hurts, and on the couch, you can't turn around , you can't find a comfortable position, you need to improve your sleeping place, meet new product from the experts mattress tv mattress stopper casper ortholight instant solution to the problem of an uncomfortable sofa or an old mattress at a good price for only 999

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program will talk about all this, people who have information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and creating the future is already the main and interesting thing in the program verdict by serhiy rudenko from monday to friday at 20:00 repeat at 12:10 we continue to talk about the most important things on the air if you think that some topics are not so relevant now, you are very wrong we have to keep our finger on the pulse of everything since the beginning of russia's full-scale war against ukraine, we have had a lot of initiatives to ban the activities of the church of the moscow patriarchate, local authorities are making decisions about such bans in certain villages

cities and even regions, however, it would be logical for the verkhovna rada to pass the relevant law. at present, the parliament has registered the attention of 11 draft laws regarding the fate of the russian church in ukraine, and more about them later in the plot of the first full-scale invasion, there are discussions about the need for a law that will limit the activities of churches in ukraine that are governed by in russia, since the spring of 2023, the country has been seized from the conflict around the temples of the uoc mp, there are ongoing conflicts and transitions to the ptu, but such processes are taking place outside the law because they have not yet been cleared. adopted a law on projects that could normalize the situation, we want to dismantle the structures of the moscow patriarchate, but we do not want to forbid believers to believe, practice their religion, gather with others in order to practice this religion , everything that ukraine took upon itself under international law on

december 1, 2022 council of national security and defense instructed the cabinet of ministers to propose to the verkhovna rada to ban the activities of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine and also initiated a check on the legality of the stay on the same day, president volodymyr zelenskyi of the uoc mp in the kiev-pechersk lavra told about this in his evening address to ukrainians , but since then , unfortunately, no significant changes have taken place. hi, russian terror and full-scale war have not convinced some activists that it is worth overcoming the temptation of evil. what do we have to create such conditions when any actors dependent on the aggressor state will not have any opportunity to manipulate ukrainians and weaken ukraine from within

. 11 draft laws have been registered in the verkhovna rada, which in in one way or another, they relate to the uoc mp, the main two of them are number 8221, the initiators of which are indicated on the council website by 34 people 's deputies, and number 8371, which was submitted to the council by the prime minister, there is an alternative pre-government number 8371-1, experts also allow the creation of a joint project that will contain the provisions of both documents, according to the law of the project number 8221, there should be one orthodox church in ukraine and the changes will not give the moscow patriarchate the opportunity to manipulate the statute, it also provides for the early termination of all property transactions concluded interresidents of ukraine and a prohibited foreign religious organization and the peculiarities of the naming of religious organizations, in particular the use of the word orthodox, the whole problem is that the law that we initiated 82:21 on the banning of the russian church in ukraine has not yet been adopted. does not ban the russian church in ukraine, but

drags out this process of procrastination for many, many years. from my point of view, we will not let this go . the government law project number 8371 currently has the most likely to be adopted involves banning the activities of religious organizations in ukraine that are connected to russia , the activities of the uoc mp cannot be stopped if they prove its connection with the russian orthodox church, however, the state service for ethnopolitics and freedom of conscience must first establish that a certain religious organization has its center in russia, then the service issues an order to correct this situation, and if this does not happen, then the service must file a lawsuit in court, which must already decide on the ban , alternative 8,371-1 offers practically the same according to the key difference, it does not provide for the issuance of a decree when our draft laws were evaluated in the world, including

by our enemies, so they were forced to conclude that only this way is effective and those who will terminate the activities of the organization or its center are located in a country that commits aggression against ukraine, a lawyer, however , emphasizes that the government draft law contains a number of shortcomings, as it proposes a procedure that stretches the resolution of the issue for years, primarily due to a large number of interim legal decisions such as a prescription or decisions related to expertise that are the subject of an independent judicial appeal, this is provided for by this draft law, it is not conducted in ukraine, we do not have accredited specialists, we do not have a methodology, and it is not even mentioned among all the e-e types of expertise that are conducted by the ministry of justice of ukraine, that is, we in fact, it turns out that the court must conduct an examination, which does not exist, experts note that the struggle with russian churches does not end immediately after the adoption

of any initiative. the fact is that in such churches for many years have poisoned the consciousness of the faithful with russian narratives, and it is almost impossible to immediately get rid of such influence. the situation with attempts to open a religious foundation against ukraine is certainly not solved only by legalistic methods like this, but many believers are already starting to move away from moscow's patronage, which some clerics, in particular, on july 23, priests of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate appealed to metropolitan onuphrius with a call to immediately and definitively break ties with the russian orthodox church in an open letter, the clergy calls russia's aggression against ukraine satanic and condemns the support of the war by the head of the russian orthodox church, patriarch kirill, the request letter was published after an enemy rocket attack on the transfiguration cathedral in odesa

. it was signed by more than three hundred priests kateryna galko andriy verstyuk oscar jansons tv channel espresso, what a pleasure to welcome oleg donba, people's deputy of ukraine , his colleague in the parliament from the opposition to the studio connection rostyslav pavlenko i congratulate you, mr. oleg and mr. rostislav, i am very happy to see you now. i am sorry that i am lying down. i live in the country, regardless of the fact that there is a war , let's keep subordination. i am the representatives of the coalition. there are those who

are not in the coalition. because if not, then it is time to leave, and actually, dear 11 bills , the ban of the uoc mp, there are two main authorships of the 34 people's deputies and the authorship of the cabinet of ministers. in some format , and what would you vote for? i hope that the first reading of these bills will be the same as that of the cabinet. by the way, it can be accepted. it can be considered already in august . i hope that it will be considered already, and the second reading is already september, that is, most likely in the space of two, it is quite possible to already accept it, but how

a more rapid preventive measure can be used in the same august, for example, before the independence day, the decision of the security council is precisely in the president , respectively. that is, we now resolve all issues related to the fate of the country through the decision of the national security council and through the presidential decree, we do not we will discuss it in the parliament, we will not talk about formats , about the implementation, about the long-term perspective, we just decide everything. the opposition, why does it not always happen that they would also agree with this option, including in order to quickly resolve the issue of the larger society already in ukraine, this issue was resolved that the uoc mp of such a sectarian religion organization should not exist in the state at all. perhaps it will be in some form there in the form of a catacomb church. of course, it is possible there with a small number of supporters, but as

an official organization, an official church. it should not exist in ukraine, and they vote for it , including in rating polls including the citizens of ukraine , mr. rostyslav, your opinion, please, well, look , the thing is that there is already a decision on battle wounds. presidential decree . it was in december of last year. to implement this decision and decree, a i will give the expert opinion to the executive body. yes, we have a state agency that deals with issues of freedom of speech and ethnic issues. and she brought an expert opinion that in the 23rd year completely supported the conclusion of the expert opinion that was conducted back in january 19 of the year regarding the fact that the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate is a part of the rpc. unfortunately, nothing has changed after all those loud statements of theirs in the cathedrals and the like, and therefore the question is the first

implementation of those decisions and laws that are so desired to remind that in the 18th year, a law was passed that obliged the moscow church or to honestly tell people that it is a moscow church , accordingly, people should have reacted by walking, not walking, etc. you can't have any cases yes last year the constitution said that this court that this law is constitutional this year the court of appeals said that this law is absolutely such that it corresponds to the constitution and other legislation, so we just have to comply and that's why it would be very i would like to see, for example, that those real estate objects that exist would still pass from the moscow church to the state to communal structures, would later be transferred to the use of the ukrainian church itself, and those that, according to the tomos, are the orthodox church of ukraine, so now, in principle, it is enough many issues

can simply be solved by the implementation of already existing legislation, but if this is not enough for someone, then let's pass another law on the direct ban of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, there are really two main ones and one the government one that my colleague said about, others that we said with colleagues from european solidarity proposed and that this issue should be regulated in accordance with the tomos, that is, both that and that project provide for the prohibition of the moscow church, and therefore we are ready to support the government project from the first reading as well further, already in preparation for the second one, you can simply push those of the moscow patriarchate who want to be in the ukrainian church to make this transition as soon as possible, we suggest hunting for the tomos, colleagues suggest appealing to the judicial authorities what to quickly make a decision and then pass the law as a whole, this is the last thing i want to say. unfortunately, this bill is a rebuke. the government one appears on the agenda and then disappears, but i really want to hope that

what my colleague says reflects the mood of the leadership to the parliament that we will still wait until this law is put on the agenda and any of the options are voted on, because i really just missed ukrainian parliamentarism when you work on something together and even argue, it's divine in fact, this is how they reacted to plunde's thesis. and in our country it never stops, even in the 22nd year . it happened. believe me, it's not the broadcast of treason . when i wasn't in the hall, mr. signed the agreement - agree with me, but i would like to supplement it with regard to the e-e examination, see , yes, there was indeed a decision of the national security council, there was a presidential decree regarding the examination , the examination is already there, it was signed in accordance with

in principle, it is already possible to take a second decision of the national security council in order to, on the basis of this examination, actually destroy the uoc mp in ukraine and to liquidate it as a public organization, to licit it as an official church , that is, it is impossible for the examination to take effect, one more legislative act is needed or it is a decision of the national security council that can be adopted fairly quickly on the basis of an examination or the adoption of the relevant legislation of a new draft law of a new law, it is either a government decision of the cabinet of ministers or the bill of my colleagues there, ms. savchuk, there are representatives of european solidarity in order to complete this process, unfortunately, without adopting these legislative decisions, the legislative field of ukraine does not have a basis for the destruction of the uoc mp or the fsb, who will say there is a third option at all in principle, if the verkhovna rada or

the president of ukraine do not make appropriate decisions about what is currently being insisted on in society, and also about comments , including that, then this third option speaks of the revolutionary expediency, simply, people these are the ones who have already matured the desire to destroy this sect of these supporters of the russian peace in their own years, and we have already seen a lot of this in our history, and they will simply take it out of ukraine, and on this issue it is closed, something so bizarre. but so sometimes slips through in our country very often in our studio it is quite effective a pause according to the regulations of the broadcast, we just have to and we will return to the discussion on the thesis each of the people's deputies oleg dunda and rostyslav pavlenko will be with us on the air in the joints

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such a situation, well, actually, very soon, the representatives of the moscow patriarchate will understand that they cannot go under the wing of the orthodox church of ukraine, because until now they consider it not canonical. and first of all, secondly, conceptually, that is, ethically, they cannot even imagine it, because this is the ukrainian church, on the other hand , they can’t even bow to cyril openly either, they just go and turn to the ecumenical patriarch - the patriarch to take under the wing and create a kind of autocephaly on the territory of our country, is it possible because i spoke with the experts, maybe a little too much, now i am conveying the essence of the conversation, but they say that purely technically it is quite possible, and upcmen will certainly be banned in essence in the country

and these people will remain and promote their narratives. rostyslav, why do i react emotionally to your words ? i had to negotiate with the ecumenical patriarchs and deeply study the economic topic . obtaining a tomos is technically impossible. the principle of orthodoxy is that there is one canonical orthodox church. to one independent state, and such a church is the orthodox church of ukraine, full stop. churches of ukraine about the exact way in which they will join the ptu, there really are many options, history gives a lot of examples of how it is solved and the state can only help and contribute here, but it is a completely different qualitative level, so far you are absolutely right, they carry the idea that they are creating their own separate church, but it won't

be that simple." moscow has no right to obtain the patriarchate and raise the question that the patriarchate from moscow should return to kyiv, moreover, the ptu should

spread its influence to other parishes which are located in the european part of the so-called russian empire, and in this way it will be achieved, firstly, through justice, and secondly, this sectarian religion will be destroyed, which over time, like any sect, it still dies, everything is forever. thank you, it's a pity we don't have much time at the discussion, i enjoyed the company of people's deputies oleg dunda, people's deputy of ukraine rostyslav pavlenko , our ukrainian parliamentarian is now on the air news time - this means that eva melnyk, who is already ready, appears on the screens to present an updated information release, this is khrystyna about the most important story, together with the news editors, and

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