[000:00:00;00] and not the secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense and intelligence , the colonel of the armed forces of the security service of ukraine. i am sorry, we are now in touch with oleg saakyan, a political scientist, the head of the platform, the unified coordination center. i congratulate mr. oleg, and i want to say a few things to the audience. times subtly hinted and now i will say directly listen to mr. oleg why because i remember and you all have forgotten well, because everyone has their own business, i have such a profession to remember last time we spoke for thrice five or four days before vilnius exactly that one mr. nato mr. oleg explained in great detail what would happen in vilnius, point by point, and when i later looked at what happened in vilnius , i realized that

he was sorry for the wording. are final and that's why i want to say that you listen to him, he has something, he has some insides, i don't know where in the ukrainian high offices or in brussels, how many or in the washington ones, but he then completely guessed once again. good health, mr. oleg, and here my i have a question for you, there is such a micro-discussion now, it is not very active. regarding this motherland, well, they changed it, so now there is a trident, but they continue such an updated discussion that a can demolish it. how would you say it should be kept there with- with a new symbol of a trident or you should just get rid of it. well, there are people who believe that everything that is soviet colonial

should be completely moved somewhere, at best, and even destroyed so that you say oh, what a deep question. well, let's start like this, first of all, they are not fighting with symbols, they are burning with the meanings that stand behind the symbols, the symbol is either an effective carrier of this meaning or not, a whole number of soviet , for example, nameless soldiers at these who stood, they simply crumbled by force , just like the knees because they became irrelevant and, accordingly, this monument no longer posed any threat to itself, because the meaning itself, well, the conditional memory of such people to the public of moroz, everyone has already forgotten who he was, and the very model of behavior is that it has weathered, that is, the meaning has already become completely devoid of meaning, it is dangerous they does not constitute a safety hazard - once or twice, any lack of meaning in the place of a symbol then it degrades and needs its

oversaturation or then really dismantling, but then you need to put something new because the lack of any symbol in the place where it was, for example, the name of the street you you go through the name lenina prospect, but if you don't name it in any way, it will still be lenin's prospect, you need to rename it the same with the monument, the same with all the others , so here's a story about er motherland or to have ukraine as they propose to rename it. this is not about the monument, actually, it is in general a deeper story about the discussion, a complex discussion , whether to privatize part of the soviet period of ukraine or not to privatize the artistic , cultural, literary, historical, state-owned , etc., all world experience shows that it is necessary to approach this sensibly and see what is destructive from these symbols of essences, it must be removed, and what is useful or

neutral and capable of being reinterpreted, then it must be taken with you, well, for example, i will say things, today there is a whole series of whole castles on the territory of europe in ukraine, by the way, there are probably the most castles on the territory of europe, so we are even the largest number in eastern europe , for sure, but they are all abandoned because they are not relevant, barons, today there is no a-a , there is also an option would have lived in them and during the soviet era they simply fell into disrepair, transformed, etc., and in europe most of the castles were not destroyed, so colonialism no longer exists, feudalism no longer exists, there is no republic of revolutions, blood or from the guillotine due to internal and external civil wars wars but nevertheless, they left the cathedral, the monuments, many other things were not destroyed why because they can be redevelopment and be new symbols of bastille day , for example, what day to take or styles without

the bastille, the thickness of the mother, as well as part of the literature of the soviet soviet -ukrainian means that the armenians acted very wisely. well, after all, the people who have a history of thousands of years and cherish it only know that the soviet union fell apart. at least something to do with armenia, they said it is ours and everything that has nothing to do with armenia it's all colonial it's all muscovite russian, anything else, clean up , decommunize all armenians who are in the 90s at the beginning, but they are proud of the fact that they are the only state in which there was an admiral, there is no sea, there is no fleet, but the admiral is there because he was an ethnic armenian, a soviet admiral, and for ukraine ,

the question of the motherland is also now. big symbols to give them a new meaning, for example, the motherland, the method stands facing russia , holding a shield and holding a sword, well, it is obvious from whom she is protecting or bohdan khmelnytsky, who is standing near sophia of kyiv in the center of kyiv, which is generally signed by the tsar of moscow 18828 or something , the year was struck there and he was pointing to moscow also a long, long time ago in the population it was rethought by itself, this monument is far from friendship surrendering to moscow something else on the contrary as for er as a call to the defense of ukraine from moscow ago if we talk about this topic and summarize it, it is not a joke, it is generally about our historical memory, about the ability to work with it, because what we call it, which symbol we take to the future, why we want to teach our children, historical memory is it's never about the past, it's always about what we take with us into the future and what kind of future we want to see, and now, just after all

the words, we'll go with you to saudi arabia, maybe you can tell us some secrets and here, maybe you also wrote some final e some pieces of paper are effective here in the editorial office they talked before the beginning of this broadcast and i said that i did not expect anything and i had the impression that the first persons were not there, not even the second, not even the third , not even the fourth half of them came out via video link. groping for the situation. where can it go, and the only thing that they came to some conclusion is that it is the alpha and omega for the inviolability of the borders, what else can be added to the inviolability of the borders about which everyone agreed, those who are favorable to ukraine and those who are less favorable to

of ukraine, those that are more sympathetic to russia, but i mentioned that the borders are not violated, it is important that you think it would be possible to insert it there. would it be desirable to furnish it, but it is very important to clarify the question so that all these 40 countries also go to this , it is also important because not all of them will go. well, first of all, we need to understand what this peace formula is, and in general, it is only prepared on the basis of it, and these consultations or conferences that are held for the preparation of the komentaginsky consultations are already three times larger in saudi arabia. hmm, this is not all about negotiations with russia, the peace formula begins with the issue of nuclear security, then the issue of energy security, then the issue of environmental security, if it consists of the third point and then there are 10 points, these issues, even if we take the first three, they are not resolved at all within the framework of the russian-ukrainian dialogue, even if now a kind of magical situation is created. russia constructively sits down at

the negotiating table. he says that we will withdraw the troops in a shorter time. after all, they have already let the nuclear genie out of the bottle and, accordingly, the precedent of the threat of nuclear weapons to a non-nuclear state has already been created, nuclear weapons have gone from weapons of deterrence to weapons of attack, threats of attack and justification of any crimes, otherwise we should destroy it, it has already been done, ecocide has already been launched for example, food security , food blackmail, hunger, it has already been launched by russia and anyone else can use it, the peace formula is about what are the weaknesses in the world architecture of security and in the world in the world conglomerate rights, i.e., what are the gaps in international law that russia took advantage of? why couldn't the world stop it? why couldn't the world prevent it? why couldn't it even react adequately when it happened

? to be from russia, no one will talk there, this is already a conversation about the world, it is a post of russia, in fact , in which russia will be forced to accept these rules and what was agreed on the territorial integrity of the un charter, this is living history, in fact, it has been killed the possibility of any other peace initiatives between russia and ukraine shows that the issue of the russian-ukrainian war is much more global than the issue of a territorial conflict between two states, it is more global; secondly, the fact that china and india appeared there is a very important moment and they are actually under it a-a well, we subscribed , let’s say we agreed to this interpretation of any peaceful end to the russian-ukrainian war or the coming of peace after this formula is also important in the event of a military victory. well, we have reached all borders have been freed, and russia does not surrender, and russia is not cleared, what to do next, this formula of peace is actually turned on , which shows why ukraine will continue to fight

to stand on its border, and that russia needs to be forced to accept the civilized rules of the game, and the third important point of this this is what this format and the participation of china and all others in it is a step towards breaking this formula into separate components, separate these problems that are outlined 10 and for individual countries to take care of them leadership i think that china will take the nuclear issue from a high level or join the food industry, this is where it really hurts them, but they are not ready to discuss, for example , bringing war criminals to justice, and this is a cunning maneuver of ukraine, that is, at the first stage, we make a plug and do not give it to other countries to abandon any other peaceful plans, you can always say what do you look at this , what is missing, you don't like something , you don't agree with something, tell us we will add and kill the possibility of any inspiration

negotiation processes, secondly, the question of the russian-ukrainian war is raised as a systemic one, and not as a conflict between side a and side b, but as an actual attack by russia on the whole world and the ideals of the world on which it is based, which were created by the blood of the first and second world wars. suffering and the third, now we are talking about the fact that look, this is not one problem, it is a complex of problems, if you are ready to talk about it, take someone responsible for others from completely different planes, the third question is this well, it may not be very interesting to everyone, but i am interested personally right here, i apologize to what extent do you think that the pro-russian forces in europe should be taken into account to what extent they can rise or they can become a factor in france in germany somewhere they also say that now there is a danger even in poland , there is a confederation there. people there are very, very pro-russian

. people there and such a government can be made, where those confederates will enter, some of whom are in favor of friendship with russia. in short, there are hints, but this seriously, is it a temporary moment, so to speak, no, it is not a temporary moment, it is serious, but it is not a catastrophe, it is even more possible that it is inflammation by pre-suffocation, because ah- any such action especially in the forehead especially forces that are directly associated with russia wherever it would be worse if some new faces appeared on this field now, who would not have connections with russia , but would cunningly surf on this agenda. well , yes , it is a little softer. all sufficiently old political forces from on the contrary, this sloppiness plays a plus because it causes no less opposition to them in the camp of centrists

, the camp of a more adequately-minded part of the democratic-republican-minded part of the electorate, and accordingly they become a greater evil on against the background of all the other politicians , sorry, the stubborn pro-russian forces are repeating themselves, in italy, you can see how the election campaign was conducted there, in which the political force of mrs. melanie won, and how the situation continued to develop approximately the same. i think it will happen in most other countries, in particular germany and poland, there will be no coalitions with the ultras. and the ultra-right will be just a scarecrow against the background of which all the others will look much more adequate and anything more will rally the voter. well, roughly as i remember we have such a petro simenenko with the communists, although it was even better , before him there was a kind of windmill and now even the communists looked white and fluffy in some places and not so

pro-russian and stubbornly that's why we are even the communist party of ukraine, i don't mean ideology, i mean a specific organization , so the same thing will happen here, although in some countries, of course, there may be annoying access and this needs to be taken into account, so it 's not worth relaxing - i'll complicate the situation yes, but it gets complicated, doesn’t it, a-a better way a-a than all other possible yes this is such a beautiful story when mrs. vitrenko made the communists a respectable political force, suddenly they themselves did not expect that they will suddenly become respectable, but became thanks to ms. natalya. thank you, er, to oleg saakean, i’m waiting for him after wednesday at 6:30 p.m. in kyiv at a movie called

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weekdays at 9:00 dad who were you during the war protector protector and good health again as i promised you and i will now be in africa. in such an area of ​​africa called the sahal, i recorded it south of the sahara yesterday. if you look at everything, ukraine then means the black sea, then the mediterranean, then africa, then the sahara desert

, and after that there is this sakhalin region is such a semi-desert. i would say that right now , all the eyes of the experts are riveted, well, not all, but some of them are definitely riveted to the situation with wagner and the presence of russian forces there and the presence of some french traditions and so on and so on, we will talk about all this with marta oliynyk, tyomochko, an africanist researcher. good health , ms. marta. i am glad to see you. thank you for finding time for us, and i would switch to russian. and i would immediately switch back to ukrainian. how is it? you in ok, it’s okay to do business with africa, it’s not so fashionable, what is it? and where is it? and africa , especially the sahal region, it’s not. you won’t rest in netonism, and you won’t rest in egypt. well, in short, it’s not clear

what to do there. well, that’s your question. i won’t climb in there but what can we say today about what is happening in niger about the fact that there people are coming out under russian flags what does this mean so i would ask a question to mrs. marta good evening p mykola the fact is that there has really been a coup in the country, at the moment it is not known what the future is is waiting for the country because the eco organization is an economic association of west african countries , they announced a possible intervention and gave an ultimatum to get there, that is, until today, until the evening, or they return the legitimate president muhammad bazoom to power and hand it over to him completely withdraw from affairs or they are waiting for a military intervention and the countries will enter with their troops actually to restore the constitutional order in this country and really, as you correctly noticed eh , there are such niberal

juntas in support of eh in the country and there are pro-moscow there are some flags about moscow slogans, but you see, take this into account, it will not be completely because, well, we do not know what the actual situation is, first of all, in the regions of the country. nobody knows what is really happening there, nobody knows what in fact, the level of support for russia or the russian forces, as the population of niger specifically relates to russia, there is no such data, that is why people come out with certain russian flags , but these can also be russian-sponsored movements , since russia has a very large network of various public organizations of activists who are always at the right moments they shout the necessary slogans and develop this unfortunate tricolor in russian, therefore it is really more important to take into account such that these are pro-french and not french sentiments, i.e. negative to france feels that the population of niger has, first of all, because of the colonial legacy, they blame and because of the fact that

france even now in relations behaves in a kind of way, you know, like the older brother is trying to plant something there and tell the population of niger how it is right for them, er, to give order to their country and russia, by the way, very successfully on all these anti-french sentiments, she speculates on these anti-french sentiments, again, they did not start immediately after the coup, they were even earlier. the fact is simply that the legitimate president muhammad bazun forbade all kinds of realities with criticism of france therefore, now, accordingly , a place has appeared in them to express let's say your thoughts , see a very important question, but you also said that there are russian forces there, there are russian volunteers, i don't know if they are for money or no money, but i hear it very often, but i'm not in russia - the russian influence is not so much just the economy of russia, as it is not commensurate with the economy of the same china, it is the ij of france of the united states, and i

have a hard time imagining the long-term presence of russians on the african continent. moreover, there are problems with islamization, which is moving from the north to mali, the central african republic , the same niggers, and so on and so on, and so on and so on . puppet, maybe we can make some money there with diamonds, gold, uranium , maybe something else, but not me, i have a hard time imagining what kind of competition there could be with chinese money and french technologies, uh, over there on the african continent, please. because russia really, if you look at the investments. such statistics show that russia

gives only one percent of private investments to africa. the rest is given by other countries, but when we talk about africa, russia and china are there in certain moments, they even act as allies. that is, we can say about some russian-chinese blocs of the american and european ones, but this does not cancel the fact that russia is really taking africa quite seriously, it is increasing its activity there, let 's say more systematically since 14-15, they and it's just more, in principle, in the political arena , she no longer has anywhere to turn, except for the global cock, she can't give the same money as with african countries , she can't give any such interesting projects to develop, in particular, what the americans are currently trying to develop some direct capacity of african countries in energy in other spheres, russia cannot offer all this, so its let's put it this way, potential clients are such weak regimes , where are these countries where there are problems with human rights -

these are countries in power , dictators, some kind of fluff, with whom the west does not cooperate, and they accordingly turn to russia, and russia is already helping them with these wagners. such traditional instruments, respectively, the countries on which it relies, this is usually such a belt of non-democratic countries or these are the elites who have been cooperating with russia for a long time there , for example, the mozambicans kangoo, but although they are already more wary of russia because russia is becoming toxic, everyone sees it and no one wants to associate themselves with it. look, well, we can find arguments for the theory that, in general , a lot of things are inspired by russia, and this nigga is this coup or is there russian influence is real, that is, did someone tell that general from the russians there , i don’t know diplomats or military people, listen

, let’s take power, we helped you here, we’ll give you weapons , we’ll give you some kind of diplomatic cover, we ’ll recognize you, everything will be fine, maybe because we see, for example, the central african republics, there is the impression that the kremlin is in charge there, well, at least i have a different impression than you, you are an expert. and i am so simple , that is, as far as we can say that in this sahal, in this interval between uh, between africa , where there are many green areas and africa, where there is only desert , what does that mean ? the russians are not just talking there, but inspiring some things. resources will be given by climate change, where jipadian rebellions prevail, respectively, by the terrorist threat, that is, the region has many problems, there is a whole cocktail of these

problems, but to say that russia told someone , uh, in nigeria, please do this coup. no, it's not like that, there were more the president wanted to remove his head of the presidential guard, the head of the presidential guard decided to seize the initiative and, let's say, remove the president, to put it simply, but the second thing is that russia is again will definitely always take advantage of these moments , that is , even now there is information that the second uh, the second second in terms of weight. it is necessary to transfer a contingent of wagners to the country because there is a threat, we know that the military military forces of niger well, they are not so powerful, let's say, so that they can independently give themselves the council with that, that is, say that russia directly organized and no

, but that it will use that yes she is will use and why does such a tracing paper arise, we simply forgot about it and in fact there is also sudan and the situation with sudan is very similar to , more precisely, the situation with niger is very similar to the national sudan, that is, they wanted to remove a certain general and then and there and that general began to say no no, no, we won’t remove it, it’s impossible, i’ll fight anyway, and that’s not what happened in sudan, and this general just seized power in the nigers , and a civil war has started in sudan , as far as i can imagine it, well, at least these are the signs of a civil war. it’s like this now new fashion, you know, in africa, there is