[000:00:00;00] er, it was connected with forced deportation and change of nationality . adoption, that is, the process of changing personal data does not take place, they are, so to speak, in the conditions of temporary custody, and most of them are still in these foster families, and not transferred on the basis of that, here you can talking about the fact that the process itself is training . it is not so large-scale. thank you very much, mr. oleksandr . thank you very much. oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights , they were talking about the rights of the ukrainian people. now there will be

an interview with lesya vakulyuk and radyoslav sikorskyi , who worked as the minister of foreign affairs now there is an aggravation of ukrainian-polish relations, mr. sikorskyi has always been in the country's friend and strongly opposed all these aggravations. for my part, i will say the following once upon a time there was a movie by hoffman called fire and sword and hell and sword and i actually watched this movie before the showing, it was in the ukraine theater in kyiv and at the end of the movie it was said that these quarrels between ukrainians and poles lasted long enough, but in as a result, the destroyed sich was destroyed and the division of poland between the germans and russians took place, and we must simply honestly say that as long as we are quarreling with each other , this result, which was shown by zhegovman in the film fire and sword, awaits us both ukrainians and

poles, only friendship between ukrainians and the poles cannot ensure the independence of both poles and ukrainians, because we are quarreling, and the muscovite is sitting around the corner and waiting for us to quarrel again so that he can capture us all . so, lesya vakulyuk and radoslav sikorskyi will listen for 27 minutes. all the best. congratulations on the espresso tv channel, we are starting an interview today. radoslav sikorsky, a polish politician, a public figure at one time , the minister of defense of poland and at one time the minister of foreign affairs, and in addition, a good friend

of ukraine and, in addition, also a volunteer mr. i welcome you to espresso, not on tv. espresso and yours actually from ukraine were here as a volunteer, and tell me where exactly you were and what are your impressions of what you saw . good day, very nice. i was with the convoy of guardians for the third time, it was led by the mateuszvodzin kindergarten to ukraine already this time i collected more than 120 cars among family and friends, and we managed to collect a little less than 200,000 dollars and two dozen drones. from them, we

already brought them. yaru, one team and the other - to the front line to the 26th artillery brigade, which deals with polish crabs that shoot american ammunition directly to the military at the front. the fact was that there was a polish volunteer medic among them, so one of the pickup trucks will serve to transport the wounded e-e from kyiv to kharkiv we have also brought a certain number of drones for the front i hope all this will help the ukrainian counterattack thank you very much but why are you going this trip is not safe people in the west think

it is more dangerous than it really is the argument that convinces them that this time two speeders took part in the trip, i convinced them that on the way back in the lviv area i received a speeding permit, so they decided to allow it, it should be safe. well, everything is like in the european union , in my opinion . we were all the way under bakhmut, as far as kramatorsk, there is a war going on, we hear artillery fire and we know that the ukrainian army is trying to eliminate bakhmut, the ukrainian is trying oxydlich bakhmut prey to gain fire

control over the russians as a russian logistician, i think this is a very smart operation, it means first inflicting heavy losses on the russians for capturing a key city of the conquest and complicating their logistics. in my opinion , this is an operation that is being conducted wisely. in ukraine, your familiar friends are politicians with whom you talk. it is possible in the european union in ukraine that some of them would like this war to

be over. for this war to be over, but the question is under what conditions i will finish something with spoils. it may be that putin will complete it with territorial gains and success , then it will end, i hope. when ukraine returns its lands, i have the following thoughts , first of all, the 26th artillery brigade had very good reviews about polish howitzers calculation so that polish weapons are useful and there are quite a lot of them there, i don’t know if it is possible to say exactly how many there are, but there are dozens of machines, they shoot with american high-precision excalibur-type ammunition for

with a range of 40 km, the accuracy of hitting is up to 1 meter and the focus is 10-20 or maybe 50 times better than ordinary ammunition, so i am very glad that ukraine has such a weapon. i am also glad that it is partly from poland, so what i am worried about ukraine has enough equipment to break through the russian defense lines in the south, it is not chosen for the south , eh, those sushniki, they are the right direction of the offensive , ukraine must reach the sea of ​​azov , because it divided the russian occupation into two parts, or at least must intercept that the road along the coast of the sea, the volume of the road in the air is already possible and it is even more important to cut off the railway connection, because russia already carries out logistical operations by rail

. i hope that in our cooperation with ukraine, it is ukraine that makes military decisions based on military logic and not according to some political calendar from the west, it must be very difficult to act in a situation of lack of air superiority in the situation , unfortunately, the russians were given six months to occupy and build a line of defense of the line of defense of ukraine. is preparing for a long war and we in the west should also be ready to support ukraine for a long time until the results, but you mentioned aviation

, why is it taking so long? fighter jets, but the final result . when the day will finally be determined for the start of ukrainian pilot training, there are currently no military school in our military, our war pilots did not even want to give ukraine long-range anti-aircraft weapons and simply we remember that this is a big defeat for russia, that they do not have air superiority over ukraine, what happened thanks to the supplies of the west, in particular , and poland, of effective missiles for air defense, the first short-range, and now long-range ones

, when i was in kharkiv on wednesday , they flew as reported three or seven drones, as far as i know, all of them were shot down, so in terms of protecting the territory of ukraine, everything is not bad, although we know that people continue to die because of ukrainians on the front line in the offensive, we need to do more. will come out because of the obvious mistake of this war. it seems to me that only little by little they are coming to understand that putin has the same goals in the war that the soldiers had, it's just that since russia has transferred its economy to military rails

, we must do the same, and that's when it starts to happen but very slowly you said that putin does not want to end this war er what is his strategy now well i was two weeks ago in washington where the sources of the united states follow those things if it comes to russian plans and russian actions are very good uh, and many times, especially at the beginning of the war, it was possible to use them strategically, and i think the americans are smart, no , the americans are convinced that a huge part of russia's military budget is now military spending, and

still, russia is still unable to advance for russia, but we know that this country has certain means, further exports energy carriers and receives some parts through third countries can hope that having a fourfold advantage in the number of people will simply exhaust ukraine in the end and we must give ukraine advantages in the quality of weapons in zbroenium will eventually convince the russian elites that they will not be able to win this war because only then will they start serious negotiations and is there anyone in russia to talk to with those elites

you are talking about so far putin is in control. there will be no shortage of mediators in turkey, there is no shortage of willing ones, only that putin wanted to end this war , but it seems that while he does not have such a desire, he will want to end it then when he will come to the conclusion that the invasion was a mistake, then when he will understand that any benefits from the re-conquest of ukraine, the colonization of parts of ukraine are not worth the costs he already bears, but worth the burdens, however, in most of these colonial warriors , a completely different team wins than the one that

it was started, that is, putin should come to the conclusion that the continuation of that war directly threatens his power or that he should be replaced. the prigozhina riot is a very low question, will russian soldiers start doing what they did in 1919, refusing to follow the orders of their officers, there are such isolated reports, but it is long-term to be on a larger

scale, until riots start in russia and putin loses his power. well, he must lose his power and to appear before the international criminal court , and we know what they are saying about that in russia , i don't know if you paid attention to the statement that made me very happy gaga and the colonel and i have to admit that the colonel quite sincerely said that if we lose that war, and we lose it, i quote, they will not kill before navalny, i continue to quote, then if navalny becomes president, then putin will be blamed

if i am surprised that he was recorded and launched in ukraine, what does a person think a criminal and a terrorist for keeping for terrorists one thing is another it is another he does not deny the fact that navalny said from prison that the future democratic russia will leave ukraine one hundred percent 100% from ukraine and for payment from future revenues from the export of hydrocarbons it is also important to take into account that such a discussion is also taking place among putin's prisoners of the russian emigration and part

of the russian elites - it is good and not bad. it is good if the alternative russian elite had such a plan . this led to the fact that the wagners are now in belarus and some of them are very close to the border with poland or scared poland showed that it is still close to the brink is it from polish or polish society perceives the message about representatives of a terrorist organization very close to their country well, we are already at the origin of the defect during the election campaign, therefore, the government is trying to create a sense of threat here, but i do not think that several hundred or even several thousand mercenaries were a threat to poland and nato , because this is the border not only of poland, but also of the eu and nato, as putin cannot defeat ukraine.

all the more so will not defeat poland and nato if the wagnerites cross the border they will simply liquidate the elections in poland poland for ukraine is an example of democracy building democracy building democracy but we have already lost our teeth but this summer the poles came out to protest this probably the largest in recent years, so we see that something is happening with democracy in poland or not, or does it not look like the process of urbanization of the bouncer in poland? the party on the judicial power of justice, it also happened in poland, in

poland the prosecutor's office is militarized , the constitutional court has now quarreled a bit , but it has also found itself under the influence of the ruling party, it is trying to politicize the appointment of judges, it is in conflict with the institutions the eu why billions of zlotys from the national reconstruction plan so i can tell the ukrainian public that if there is a change of government in october or november, it will continue to support ukraine just as much and at the same time improve its relations with brussels, brussels, and berlin, and then

it will be more influential in the eu and the european union will be able to have a greater influence on the acceleration of ukraine's negotiations with the european union. it has a european society. why have the russians recently often repeated that poland and the poles help ukraine so much? in order to later occupy ukraine or at least the west of ukraine in order to make poles and ukrainians quarrel. putin did this earlier in 2009 in gdańsk in conversations

. he was then the deputy chairman of the duma of the russian federation such a letter with a proposal de facto we also rejected it then it was an attempt to involve us in some dispute in the future wouldn't i can say this about all european countries, but poland has drawn conclusions from its history of european integration, its core is german-french mutual understanding , that is, a combination of german-french. i work in strasbourg. the european parliament is based there. then , for two thousand years, strasbourg changed its affiliation between the germans and

france . cemeteries how many millions of people died in order to change the border, the europeans and the french, the germans came to the conclusion that instead of fighting for that border it is better to integrate so that it doesn't matter where you are on the border. i think that we poles and ukrainians have also come to this conclusion, and that is, there is a large, large number that needs to be protected and not allowed to be manipulated or the affairs of the past where it was from both sides . polish society laughs at these russian proposals, so it seems

to me. of course, there are still families who suffered during the volyn tragedy, and i should have hoped that the cases of exhumation and commemoration will be resolved, because they must be resolved and of course, the fact that there are currently over a million refugees from ukraine in poland sometimes causes the irritation of politicians , and the task of our ukrainian guests is to minimize the reasons for irritation so that ukraine receives as much support as possible, which is good for both of our countries . the criminal also wrote about the upa such things as there are, i can’t repeat the veteri, uh

, it’s yours, we’ll do it ourselves, because for the ukrainian people, for ukrainians, bandera is a symbol of the struggle against russia, the struggle for ukraine, but not at all to those who did something to a pole, but did the same to the poles, in fact, here we have a difference in perspectives, but there is also a difference in bander’s education. classmates, it is necessary to explain that bandera was at the same time the head of the formation and i know that he was in a german concentration camp at that time, but one of his deputies, i can't remember his name now, gave the order to kill a hundred thousand poles , innocent people, in 1943, its historical roots are what the polish way was doing in the 17th and 18th

centuries, and the fact that before the war, poland's policy towards ukrainians in volyn was a policy forced assimilation, uh, it was already a wrong policy, but it left a hundred thousand people, a lot, i know that the hero of one nation can be the oppressor of another, but there are, but great nations are capable of admitting their mistakes, we are trying to explain that no one was without fault and on your part too it is necessary to do the same and we ask for forgiveness , yes, our military bishops made such a statement to the germans in the 60s, when the communist government

turned the poles against the germans, which also turns the poles against the germans. but it seems to me that it is ineffective because the majority poles and the majority of germans cooperate well with populists to win on historical misunderstandings. that is because it will not bring me back to life, no victims, none, but it may cause new victims in the future, or can the growth where preparations for the elections again use the prices of the simple pages of our shared history with poland against ukraine and poland as it was done before, as it was done in chechnya, i can bet that she will do it. i remember 2011, when during the polish

presidency in the eu, with great efforts, including my own, we saw the text of the agreement on association between ukraine and the european union, a draft resolution appears in the polish sejm that changes the attitude towards volyn to the volyn tragedy. literally a couple of years before that , the polish sejm passed a resolution that it was a war crime with signs of genocide, it should be simply genocide or an aggravation of the description. in the end, nothing changed. if we talk about the opinions of historians, the number of victims, but someone really wanted to incite new enmity between

ukrainians and poles of both our countries. when are you planning to come to ukraine next i will come to the yalta european strategy conference in kyiv in a month . we are waiting for you. and we thank you very much for participating in our program. thank you. thank you. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. also, at one time, the minister of defense, the minister of foreign affairs of poland. and besides, a volunteer who comes with help

to ukraine, stay with the press anxiously in the temporarily occupied kherson oblast motherland-mother with a trident and what dishes are prepared for our soldiers on the front lines. good evening to you at the yamalniks. the espresso team adds a new no. today 's results are hot in the temporarily occupied kherson oblast. peninsula, the russians use these bridges, in particular, to transport ammunition and fuel, local gauleiters assure that most of the missiles were shot down by russian air defense, however currently, the chongara and dzhankoy checkpoints are not working. volodymyr zelensky presented the ukrainian defenders of the sky with state awards , in particular, noted the success of the air force in