[000:00:00;00] this broadcast and i wish you all a good evening and, of course, a victory for peace. good luck. i congratulate you on the espresso channel. for ukraine and our allies, the war with russia is becoming a war of attrition . yes, we are sure that our partners will provide us with military and technical assistance and financial assistance until it will be necessary however, this actually does not remove from the agenda such measures, project ideas, which are aimed at accelerating the appearance in the armed forces of models and equipment of a new purpose that can ensure superiority over the enemy and will be an asymmetric response to the aggressor's attempts to act on the water in the air and in the air, as it happened in particular on the night of august 4, when

kamikaze boats successfully attacked a large russian amphibious assault ship in novorossiysk bay. therefore, we need to do two such systematic things: create the most stimulating conditions for the emergence of development and production of our own weapons in priority directions and quickly adapt those solutions that are really capable of beating the enemy in terms of results, so how can we ensure synergy between developers and the armed forces as to develop such technological projects, we will talk about it with expert guests in our military program. my name is serhiy zhorits. i am the director of the information consulting company defekt express, which, together with the espresso channel , strives to cover the most relevant events in the life of our army and the defense-industrial complex and our industry both public and private and now we have ivan kyrychevskyi in contact - this is

a military expert of our company defect express mr. ivan i congratulate you on the live broadcast of the espresso channel good day to you mr. serhiy so, today we have good news that shows that war is really becoming more technological. kamikaze boats on the night of august 4th successfully hit this russian project 775 ship . such spectacular spectacular shots of what is happening have already been published, but now we see how this ship is being dragged somewhere on repairs, i hope that they will not fail to make a video of exactly how this amphibious ship was hit, exactly how many were, uh, on the attack drones involved in this attack, it is unknown , the russians are talking about two but in any in this case, these are the details that you and i will now try to find out , and first of all, i would like you to tell our viewers what is known at the moment, what exactly happened in bukhtino

, russia, and what significance it has for the further actions of the russian federation from the black sea let's start with those details that are known that can be accurately established, judging by this, the personnel is soft , clearly even more than two reached novorossiysk. well, because , firstly, in addition to the fact that we have a clear established fact that the landing ship of the leningrad gornyak was damaged, there is another intrigue because that one of the representatives of the russian authorities stated that there the ship by the name also allegedly took part in the repulse, and yet it is in the black sea fleet. the bottom, and it’s not social media footage, it’s been confirmed exactly what was damaged, the so-called oil lighthouse , well, that is, the terminal there, where

it’s brought out from the shores, so it’s the transfer of oil to tankers entering novorossiysk, because at the beginning it is worth outlining that novorossiysk is a very strategic port for the russians, because it performs 30 tasks at once, firstly, it is the largest russian port on the black sea, from which export oil production takes place, secondly, it is an add -on, it is not the main base of the black sea fleet of the russian federation. that russia, on a rotational basis, has a lot of ships of that caliber and other types that have begun to concentrate novorossiysk in particular. to provide logistics for the army of the russian federation as an alternative, in particular, using the same amphibious ships, and accordingly , here we have come to the part that says the purpose of this equipment can be highlighted not only in the fact that we have the first such, indeed, when literally the magnitude of

the live broadcast managed to greatly damage well , the precious russian ship, judging by everything, how can we miss it when an attack was planned from our side, it was calculated to try to damage the line or russian supply which can then go to the south, you can say what it is about the continuation of this asymmetric tactic of exhausting the russian shooting ranges, well , which is taking place during the counteroffensive in the south , but today's attack on new russia is a continuation of it, because if we continue to follow the exception, what if as of the first half of the day, before the news of the new year's attack appeared, two ships of this caliber, all the others were concentrated in sevastopol, respectively . if the goal was to hit only ships with calibers, then they hit sevastopol, respectively.

a tangential effect that is already clearly visible. maybe it wasn’t even planned. certain economic problems have already started for the russians. well, because the russians export a lot of their grain from new russia, well , the russian farmers there directly lose something. accordingly , they start to lose money and it is only after such a short-term and effective raid on several of our kamikaze boilers that we can already say what exactly the russian ships were hit by, or can we really talk about the fact that this one was used the latest version of the komikadze drone. what are your conclusions about this? i think that everything is to be assumed. was it just this well-known version of the boat, the platifier of the social networks that you need access to, what is there anyway, except for the characteristic flat bridge, if you take the previous one, let’s say four versions of the boats kamenyanka data to pass was open access

, so there is such a slightly different shape of the hull , well, something different than kamikadi boats in our country. well , there was nothing. what would it take to get these new russian ships in russia? therefore, by and large, what so otherwise, entering this version is only an assumption under the proctors of the cell. otherwise, it is actually about the range of this mission, because if we say that it is also about the magurove-5 drone , which has a maximum range of up to 800 km, then if we are there let's assume that the launch of these strike drones was somewhere in the area of ​​10, then somewhere i almost 700 km, that is, it is said that it was carried out almost at the limit of the technical capabilities of this drone, and by the way, why did information appear about that that the combat part of this drone is much larger than in the previous versions, and it says up to almost 400 kg of explosives, but i have a question , first of all, about the control system, you did the materials analytical de- studied

the features of controlling such firewood at long distances. can we talk about what is now taken into account all the nuances that ensure effective performance by such drones and actually minimize the risks of disconnecting such drones from starlink. that is, you can perform tasks in any conditions, what does your analysis say about the control of such drones, you don't know about the new attack in novo-russian, we can actually add new details , apparently the developers who at kamikaze managed not just to find a way to avoid possible problems with disconnecting the page and to keep a stable connection during this mission well, because until now it was believed that if, for example, well , if there is an option not to use starring, then there the attack must be by coordinates, that is, with the inertial system, the property is not visible, nor is there

a stable connection from the transmission pictures from the optics of the electronic station always happen, but in addition to the fact that it was possible to bypass the problems with animals, it is obvious that it was possible to bypass this solid russian rap , because it is believed that these strategic-level russian radioactive warfare systems can make connections there, cover navigation systems, deviate from the course there control of an old man or a ship here it turns out that nothing like this works in the case of our kamikaze boats, everything works stably therefore , apart from this other today, it is so novorossiysk can be considered in some respects a triumph of the developers of our systems, which are engaged in countering the means of the russian, well, the russian re p, or to return to the most ancient ones, it was to remove the control of kombicord boats, which were known before this, the most important detail is that the use of these types of weapons does not require a complex infrastructure. you need literally just a gentle descent to the shore so that it was relatively easy to descend this frame and simply piglet location so that it could be on

a vector well, that's how to control because it in fact, it is important because well, in order to prevent the russians from damaging the infrastructure for our boilers, the answer is that you can immediately with your invulnerability, you were literally from all angles to me, and what can we actually say about the russian landing ship that was hit, how many such ships do the russians have left? will affect, in particular, not only there the execution of e-e grain agreements and so on. and will it affect this option when these landing ships were used as such a ferry option for transferring russian of forces in the direction of berdyansk or other parties that are currently occupying the enemy, or does this significantly limit the enemy's capabilities

? andriy. i think that this is at least psychologically possible. the head of the parade was out of line, because if we take the known data that was in the public domain, well, the russians in the black sea deployed about 10 landing ships of all types, and the third 117-1 and these ships of project 7:5, and they are definitely considered the most recent is a large amphibious ship project 1-11 is no less simple, but we still do not fully understand all the consequences of the attack . we cannot rule out that other ships could be hit and therefore weigh. march 2022 berdyansk, so that after that the russians would not risk bringing their amphibious ships to such a long distance to our means of destruction for a very long time after that

, it is possible that this and the impact on the destruction of the russian can be imagined now because this format for the use of amphibious ships of the black sea fleet and other fleets on the rear communications of the russian army was tied to it, and it turned out that they can be obtained very easily , and this is another day in terms of the russian fleet, so let's watch, but the first assumptions are what exactly they are, and what we can skip what kind of particles will make defense systems against sea drones, because we have seen there versions that the kerch bridge is there, they are starting to surround it with what protective structures they are creating there to fight against with these

unmanned systems , what can the enemy do most optimally now to somehow protect himself from such attacks? as it turned out, the optics of the electronic stations on our kamikaze boats saw this before, by the way, russia, in order to secure itself from our boats - what kind of option is it, well, it is a base with corner reflectors , it is not clear what exactly they are for they did, but this is clearly based on such logic. and by the way, to ensure safety. it is from our naval drones that the russians have already allowed, for example, from the far east, their anti-aircraft guns menstrual 2 m 3m from the time of the second world war. because he does not remember mmm, i want that in march 2023, the video where they pull on this land such installed on mt-lb was a lot of judgment, how will the russians use it, and then, as the rashists themselves called, they simply stupidly put them near the occupied sevastopol to create a certain density of defense against our drones of all types, as we can see, the necessary density for them, uh, it was not structured. well

, it turned out in russian, in principle, it was to cover it with nothing . it seems that, first of all, the russians will bet on such means of physical protection during the parade on world war day, which was in this russian leningrad , the russians tried for the first time to put, well, something similar to the elements of this land system, rap field 21 on one of the rockets, it is important where, so what , only one of the missile corvettes, although they are there there were at least four, this means that they have such protection kits for ships, well, in terms of the plan, the section of electronic warfare has not been worked out , but it should not be ruled out that it is possible that the russians will try to convert these field 21 in order to put them more en masse on all the ships of the black sea fleet in order to secure the house if the russians let's start, they will start this way of spending resources irrationally, maybe it will even be a plus for us, because the more the russians, the more resources they will spend

on the route, accordingly, even among our fighters there will be more free hands if, in terms of hitting various intelligence targets , the drones will be more complete , mr. ivan. thank you very much for including the press class in the live broadcast for your quality comments, and i will remind our viewers that the espresso channel was ivan on the air. krychevsky military expert of the information consulting company defense express and then we also continue the topic related to technological solutions implemented by the armed forces and our industrial companies, but not only at sea, but also in the air we will talk about drones and about artificial intelligence, we are now joined by the chairman of the board of the new energy alliance of ukraine, the commander of the special unit of the drone strike, the white eagle , valery borovik p. fedorova, who said that ukraine

should keep up with the world in the field of artificial intelligence, it is needed for all industries, including the military environment. he said that the actual use of artificial intelligence significantly increases the efficiency of the use of drones. i know that your company is currently taking certain steps in the direction that artificial intelligence - this pattern recognition affected the way your drones destroy this enemy. and i would like you to tell us in more detail and simply to the audience, how exactly does artificial intelligence increase the effectiveness of the use of combat drones on the battlefield, eh , in fact, we have been working with artificial intelligence for quite a long time, eh, when i was there in our previous meeting, i told that we

we did a project to monitor power grids with the help of artificial intelligence and drones with e-e grant, well, partial grants of the european union in lithuania, we did such a project, and we use similar methods in order for the drone to be directed to these, that is, the logic that you need to have a database of photographed in such images. as you said, yes, it means , if it is, for example, an armored personnel carrier, you need to have images uploaded to the artificial intelligence database, which means that, from different angles , they show what, for example, this one looks like an armored personnel carrier so that the program itself can distinguish it from a tractor or a car , and that's why when this program is loaded and it's taught that this is an axle, where is an armored personnel carrier, and this is a tractor , this is a car, and this is a tank, and you have to hit the tank with armored personnel carriers, for example, because

what is a tank? you only scratch something there , and you can neutralize an armored personnel carrier , depending on what kind of combat load you have, so when is this program that you call there we are all there artificial intelligence, it understands this by itself, what is it already here's this object. and i'm not interested in this object, then already when the drone is on a combat mission. you can then connect other programs that track the movement of this object , that is, when he got excited and the object he distinguished it he gives instructions there to the aileron guidance system of the drone itself, adjusts the guidance and then either hits if it is a standing object, hits this target stationary at this object that he has determined, or he tracks its movement and constantly keeps in e targets, as you show there, yes, it constantly

keeps it in the target if it is already moving it is necessary to reach the goal of the panoveri, then you have such a question that it is necessary to fill then a large database of these images of enemy targets from various angles and this large volume of work so that , relatively speaking, this neural network works without errors, that is, now, as you understand, you are carrying out such informational analytical work , collecting images of enemy targets goals and then the question arises whether it should be done by one company or perhaps it should be united in some such public or joint private project so that this database of images is collected as much as possible rather, in order to speed up the process efficiency of using these approaches of artificial intelligence, then in combat operations, well, look at the military , all those who are involved in what i am talking about know the delta terminal there - it is the base of the situation of valuable planning and situational business of the battlefield e for in order to plan a special operation, intelligence

strikes, conduct intelligence, and so on, we and these guys have been cooperating there since the beginning of this full-scale invasion in its history . er, again, er, everyone who is engaged in this fills the database, but here is another question, we decided to take a slightly different approach in order not to fill and not waste a lot of time human and physical resources to fill the database of all objects, although this also needs to be done and is being done, we are talking about it. for example, we went to the front line. yes, we see that we are doing reconnaissance there and we see that there are such and such objects there, there is no need to fill the base of the east, which means some armored personnel carriers and and armored cars and

tanks of various formats and rugby and so on we understand in the process of intelligence or they give us this data that there are such and such objects we and we and specifically these objects in er-er there online mode there we train the system, that is, we give er-er or our photos or which ones do we have there from the network or from that base that was previously and specifically on this site already so that the proof system worked, this artificial intelligence worked specifically on these objects, and then the less time you spend on that, but to do let's say so previous this analysis more photos download completely all objects and so on, you just concentrate on a specific object on a specific one that is on a specific direction of impressions, sir. and we

are now talking about the development stage of these solutions, are there individual samples that already really use the advantages of artificial intelligence already in the format of combat operations e in the format, we have not done it yet. we did it on the training ground. we have already lost a couple of drones because we are friends with this system with our autopilot system and some uh, well, at the beginning, the drones were simply not reloaded to get it out of the moment peaking that is, we are already striking targets on the training ground with the help of artificial intelligence. now we are finalizing what i think. well , in the near future we will already show it at zero. and how is it, relatively speaking, quantitatively measuring how much the efficiency of a standard drone increases there, in particular, there with a standard guidance system when the operator chooses a target and directs the drone to the very impression with the e-e block. when

artificial intelligence helps to perform this work, how much the efficiency increases or the load on can the operator measure the time indicators there, serhiy, you know, i think it depends on the situation , you understand this, uh, this is artificial intelligence - it 's a program, this high-tech thing works , then it's cool, eh, when, for example, you can't there the operator adjusts it and it’s cool, it’s nice when you’re not a singer, for example, you adjust it because it’s a human factor. and she already clearly proves that it will work very well when there are actions of the rebbe’s anti-drone systems and then already the drone itself

chooses this target. i think that the impression will seriously increase. i will not name the numbers because it is necessary to have a research base , so much, where did you neutralize the drone on the handles before you installed it, and how much after you installed it? this system. of course, the accuracy will be better because the human factor got distracted there , or let's say, gave more gas or left to right and didn't prove it. we had such cases , we had good goals there in the kherson direction, for example, where it just passed by, well, that is, on the big distances were well proven. and nearby we passed, for example, there were such and such different moments, but artificial intelligence will allow you to prove exactly, but you will not always be able to use it and everything is exactly the same, a person should be there for correction in such cases, it is better that only a machine does it if it is well developed, but

well, the effectiveness. i think over time we can somehow calculate. and what does your experience say about the analysis of foreign or enemy samples of strike drones, in particular the same lancet, is there in particular, uh, development in the direction of artificial intelligence, these american eyes investigator-blades, are there any such solutions? so far, they only need one operator to carry out combat missions, what does your experience say, well, air rover , which produces switch blade, positions it as a fully equipped system with artificial intelligence that can track a target that is even moving and hit we didn't use it, so i won't say, on the one hand , i was told that it is possible, others say that it doesn't work, that is, it's definitely not possible to say for 100% that it already works and it's good it works. it's exactly the same as uh, heimers. yes, it

's great for targets, but if there's gps and good guidance, then that means uh, 100%. now it is impossible to say that uh , it works uh, uh, in these systems, uh, the russians are also positioning that a new type of lancet will do it, so far we have not seen this and well, until you feel with your hands, while you you won't really see reports on impressions of target tracking and concretely confirmed er, well, this work. well, it's not possible to say anything more specific. and what are the wishes of our military now, because now i tell you, i understand that these developments are based on the rather heavy work of your companies and the experience of your operators. and when we create such a certain universal model and hand it over to the military, then surely the requirements change, are the military ready for such

technological solutions that would perform combat missions ? on the battlefield is somewhat different than it was until a certain time, well, the military , of course, they want him to put a drone, this drone took off by itself and without the help of the operator reached the targets, hit or if it is a bomber or the reconnaissance drone even without the help of the operator turned back and sat down, so the development of the vitol, which takes off vertically, does not need a super pilot to take off, so it either sat down, or it sat down. the pilot is so important that its influence is important . which means from the launch it is done there, you can. the pilot turned away, went somewhere, pressed the button, it flew , yes, that is, the military, if answering your question, needs a fully autonomous product

, which well, i apologize, as they themselves say the military, which can be stupid for a fool, that is, dear, you are not, we are not, we are not going to put an intellectual soldier on all the front lines who understands everything there in electronics , takeoff, landing, repair, or piloting , that is for the military. of course, it is cool when it is all done automatically, that is the military the troops are ready to accept it, the troops are ready to give what for training people, the question is in the companies that can do it, this is not an easy task, but well, many well, not that many, some companies , including us, are going in this direction and i i think that it will be implemented, if it hasn’t already been implemented, it’s possible , we don’t know yet, the development is going on every day and will be implemented in the near future, definitely because ukraine is currently the leader of these developments in the world, unfortunately , we have the best training ground of the military, the military

on this the lands of panoveri, how much is the cost of these developments and the production of strike drones, because you took on a new piece of work, a technological piece of work, we need to look for people, new procedures, new skills, and how much is that for you today it is expensive, at the expense of which you cover these expenses, all this is now from investments, mainly mine, and also we collected with the help of public investors, we collected this open information 350,000 € we collected, but we collected for the equipment . er, so during this time, without the past of our communication, we have already received the nato code for our attack drone and here, somewhere in the near future, i think in a couple of days , we will have permission to operate another er-er

attack drone, repulse at er-er up to 40 km there is 3 kg of what we talked about, yes, that is, what is it for me, so far, we invest it all ourselves, sometimes we take external finance , but we try to return it as soon as possible . and this is where we come to contracting with the state. it increases the price, of course product because you have to pay it specialists, you have to lose a bunch of drones to see that it really works, you have to support this program, well, randy is quite serious, and that's why if we talk about drones there , for example, fv there are from 400, 500, 600 -th euro and up to two and a half thousand, uh, that means kamikaze, we, in the end, there are 2.5 thousand there, kamikaze, three and a half thousand bombers, but we already want it to be with