[000:00:00;00] and engages in god knows what scenarios, that is, from the fact that they have nothing else to do, so they scare with such scenes after 2014, and in 2022. everyone understands that real forces could be behind these scenarios , but while the armed forces of ukraine are defeating the troops of the russian federation on the territory of ukraine is causing irreparable damage to them. russia does not have the strength to go to the isthmus of swat , go to other countries, and so on . territory in poland on the eve of the elections, the weakening of support by poles and poland for ukraine, and this is for poland to become weak with vienna against putin against the russian coalition and about ukrainian of course, this is a game of

absolutely i am clear , that is, there is no need to reveal anything here . they have a certain ground beneath them, well, they certainly have, and poland , miroslava, you dared to make a symmetrical military response in the event of a military or missile provocation, rather, they can do anything , prigozhina dared to go on a so-called march in fairness to moscow, yes, that is, no one imagined this, it turned out that such a scenario is possible, which must be worked out. different moves must be taken into account. two other factors must also be taken into account . wagnerites in belarus, prosha deployed 1,000 soldiers to the belarusian border, about 200 units of armored vehicles, these are serious forces that show

that any escalation will be met with an immediate response. there are now more than 10,000 american soldiers on the territory of poland, the command center of the command of the corps of non-american armed forces in the european theater of war is located here, and this american presence is increasing , it is strengthening, that is, when germany is more responsible for the security of lithuania, then poland is responsible for security directly the united states of america so far the official statement of the pantheon sounded like this we do not observe any element of danger to choose the inability of the north atlantic alliance from wagner thank you very much to myroslava for this extremely interesting conversation on espresso. i want to remind our viewers that myroslaw czak worked for them now, a member of the second and third terms of the polish diet, a public

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and interesting thing in the program is the verdict serhiy rudenko from monday to friday at 20:00 repeat at 12:10 congratulations 13.08 on the clock, which means that on the air of the espresso tv channel, the sweet program during the war, my name is yuri fizer, and every week , at this hour, i and my guests discuss the most important things that happened on planet earth during the past week. well, we try take a look at the week that is ahead of us in order to at least be ready for what may happen and today is no exception. today i and my host will respect exactly that and i will introduce the guests a little later because i have to do what i have to do every time at the beginning of the program, so very thank you to all of you who watch us on the air, where we were not turned

off by the authorities, i thank those who watch us on youtube. on youtube, i remind you that you can watch us on two channels at once: the general channel with the press channel and the specially created channel specially for the sweet program during the war, so on this special program, every week we ask you a question to which we want to hear your answer. well, this week is also no exception, our question sounds like this today , the result is the same in saudi arabia - these are three options of answers, first, the end of the war, the second, the armistice, the third, your option, your option, please write in the comments. well, i also want to remind you that we really need you to give your preferences, i am one of those who watch us on youtube, if the program is for you like it i'm sure you'll like it don't like it if you have any questions about the program although i'm also sure that there would be a lot of questions well, write

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gd-saudi arabia. i want to ask you many questions to which i personally do not have answers. i want to hear your opinion, but let's go to such a deeper analysis of what happened in jeddah, my first question will be the following. please tell me, it also seemed to you that this summit, uh, took place in some kind of mysterious mode, even last night when i was looking for direct language in order to cut down to talk to you. i didn’t find it. this morning i think i'll wake up and read. maybe someone has already said something from the participants. there is no video. well, you know, as usual on the same ones. yes, some red pedestrians are arriving, guests are leaving , guests are leaving, just general shots, general plans there is not even a people, well, on reuters , there are some very general plans. please tell me what this kind of secrecy can be related to. it is something related to the countries

of the middle east. is it really you? it is related. well, for sure yuriy. this is connected precisely with the fact that this is not a summit itself, this is when the leaders of the countries gather, when the presidents and prime ministers come . well, there. maybe the minister of defense is there , but it is, if the head of state can't come. it was a meeting well, i think that here we warmed up the situation a little, as they say and uh, they already wanted this meeting to be a meeting rather than a solution to all issues . well, in diplomacy, in reality , high-ranking officials do not gather, but they are far from the level of the heads of state. well, maybe someone wants to imagine that, but here it is different.

a meeting of security advisors of representatives of heads of states and governments and no more. that is, this is what it is. well, i would say about the masking of sentiments and the assessment of the situation on our part is definitely an effort to provide the information we need to the representatives of this as much as possible a global cock, but well, it would hardly be possible from the very beginning, i said that long before this meeting, what can we expect for some cardinal decisions, uh, which actually uh, under such circumstances and in such a format, it cannot be this is an exchange of opinions - this is an opportunity to communicate on a bilateral level, which is very important because a large number of delegations are gathering in one place at once. so this platform is very, very convenient, but do not expect

that it could give a result. moreover, we know the position of russia, well, that would be too naively clear, pavel volodymyr, see in diplomatic circles, they say that saudi arabia could have offered its peace plan during this very thing, that for her it was some kind of springboard bridge, she could have jumped off well, i don't know about this yet, but the wall street journal, citing sources, even wrote that the atmosphere at the summit in jetdi was a bit different than at the summit - not at the summit, at the meeting, i'm sorry, at the meeting in djedi the atmosphere is somewhat different than at the meeting in copenhagen in june, where there were almost twice as many representatives of countries . well, referring to sources, journalists from the wall street journal wrote now, i will quote our director, i even want him to show this graphic, this is a quote, diplomats also noted that some disagreements that arose in

copenhagen seem to have decreased at the negotiations ukraine insisted that the main developing countries adopt the zelenskyi peace plan, which is based on the demand that peace begin only after the complete withdrawal of russian troops, several developing countries said at the time that they would not go for it, but here is the jig and ukraine and the leading developing countries turned out to be more interested in finding a consensus, a high-ranking european official said that ukraine no longer insisted on accepting its peace plan, and other countries did not insist on so that kyiv refused it, there was also no crossfire due to ukraine's demand for the withdrawal of russian troops, according to two diplomats, ukraine did not insist on this issue, and developing countries did not they put him on trial, mr. volodymyr, first of all, i will say that when journalists release such information , citing sources, there are cases when they are denied because it is false information, they

apologize, ah, tarara, in the office of the president of ukraine, they already said that this is false information, but the publication world street journal itself did not deny this, that is, it did not refute this information . please tell me, given your many years of experience, this could have happened at a meeting in life. they made such an apt er apt er used the formula saudi arabia er ours jumped out the main thing is not to jump out like naked from hemp and in this sense i think that saudi arabia wants maybe wants to jump out and become the center er well er- it is new, it is a new political world player, the center. where is it possible

that there are attempts to play the role of an intermediary, a mediator, etc. well, i think that for now it is a project of a judge. arabia is not a country that can claim to be, at least not yet. that to be a mediator in the settlement this type and scale of conflicts is not hers yet. so to speak, the size, but it is very good that it was the audits that accepted this meeting. it was there, in this country , that it took place. exchange of views and this will certainly have a positive effect on the international image of this country, but i do not think that we should immediately talk about the fact that it is already rising to the level, so to speak, of the world centers of the power of intermediaries

and so on and so forth. i think that i will talk about this in the morning in relation to what they write journalists well, unfortunately, i have to admit that there are different journalists , there are professionals , there are those who deeply understand the topics, who take their time, who make generalizations and are journalists. sparrows who jump from one branch to another, peck at something there, peck at something there, and pass it off as journalism, well, that’s the way it is, of course . well, there is also such a thing, and it can be and probably should be, but i don’t think that we should orient ourselves on this , that is, what could be real uh, in saudi

arabia, it is possible that a journalist approached someone from our delegation and said something in a noisy hall where there were not many of the same representatives of other delegations and asked. maybe someone did not understand something, maybe someone misunderstood something. maybe there is something else and he uttered some phrase, this phrase immediately turns into the opinion of an unnamed source and is launched on the air. well, it seems to me that it is so-so , you know, this is sparrow journalism that has nothing to do with serious things. this is what these haiku journalists want to do sensationalism regarding the position, again, it is not formulated even by advisers, it is formulated at the level of presidents who rely on, say, the national security and defense council, that is, on those bodies that

are authorized to make such important decisions, and the president actually gives them the right to life introduces them there by its decrees if and so on and so on and so on, that's why it seems to me that here it's a little bit hyped, as the journalists from the wolf and john say, but life is like that . well, i really want it to be like this refutation because if you don't give it, god won't bring it. this will turn out to be true, that is, what does this mean that ukraine then renounces what she would have renounced what she always said, that is, she renounces her ukrainian plan of the peace plan and i really don't want it to happen, but let's go uh, you already started talking a little about the role of saudi arabia in this peace process . i read another thought last night that ah, this meeting in eriad and in jind can be

successful precisely because of the position of the leadership of this countries and there this is how this position was characterized by urriad, there are no friends, but there are interests. do you think this can play to your advantage? well, i guess every country has its own interests in the first place, and thank god that they are now also appearing in us, because eh in the past, attempts to talk about national interests were always lined up and said no. we have a strategic partnership with russia , well, we strategized, as they say, so it is true and the government will follow its line and it is absolutely normal and it is right e coaches only to ensure that this e-e does not step on the interests of other countries because of the same neighbors in the regions as a whole, and if we take it globally, then of course each country will defend its national interests if it is done within the framework of international law and does not violate

the interests of others, and in this context, i think that if we have er, well, god forbid, more trusting relations will be established with volyn arabia. well, this is only to our advantage. in this case, we can also influence the serious arab world through this channel and convey our point of view to the arab region. all the more so that, unfortunately, moscow actually occupied the information space of these countries and imposed on them for many , many years its vision of the world, which must finally be corrected, so that if we manage to establish this positive, good political and any other dialogue with audits. i think it will be to the benefit

of the ladies and to the benefit of saudi arabia. you say that if we succeed, what do we need in order to succeed? and we need to stop what russia succeeded in already it's been playing on these platforms for a long time, and we didn't pay much attention to it, so we need to stop its influence on, so to speak, on the heads of political figures, including the saudi arabia and for this you need very serious painstaking daily work and here is such a summit. well, not by yourself. excuse me. and the whole meeting, because i watch you all the time, there is a meeting in the line that just took place in sumy arabia. it can be one of the elements of such a reversal

of audits in the direction of er, well, let's say more like that weighted i'm not talking about ukrainian yet, it's probably very, very early to talk about it, but a weighted position that e would be a step forward for us, so you know step by step we can change the situation in one influential capital in another in the third in the tenth and this is the way to change approaches, because countries like judicial arabia are really countries that stand out from the rest , everyone else is paying attention. well, it will be very difficult to do because that's what i said a little earlier. the thought of what warms the era i don't have friends, but i have interests all the same

, i'm more economically dependent on moscow, especially because of oil . dependence because of oil in my opinion today, mr. volodymyr. maybe i said independence incorrectly, and because of cooperation, it is connected with oil in custody, and therefore there are some such certain political moments , yes, yes . eh no one is safe from the fact that this interaction may suddenly stop, and then not all audits will depend on russia, and russia will beg for the prices that will still allow its oil and gas industry to somehow hold on. pique and numbers uh, what uh, well, you can get it now, because you know that in russia, now everything is classified, everything is under the seal for official

use or even secretly. therefore, this is only such indirect data, but they also say that the russian uh well, regarding oil the oil production industry is really starting to go down like a bullet and even the fact that oil is still being bought by china and others suggests that it will be forever . ultimately, the west can find ways to influence the same india and the same china, if the situation is not going to benefit the civilized world, so in this context , it seems to me that saudi arabia is leading the right line and if it coordinates its efforts within the framework of the same opec and also takes into account the position of the borscht

in the west, it seems to me that they can really make serious progress in positioning themselves as a truly more influential country than they are today, and this will definitely affect their relations with russia in the same way , because it will mean that russian oil will become less and less in demand . volodymyr, one more question. you know, returning to the fact that there is little information about this meeting, there is some statement by the ministry of foreign affairs of china that they agreed to negotiate, there is a statement by the ministry of foreign affairs of the same saudi arabia once again agreed to negotiate when we will negotiate. the next time is still unknown . but in your professional opinion , can we consider such a result ?

we very often overheat the situation beyond the big expectations, so we talk about something happening, so a counteroffensive should take place, so it should be a little less than a few weeks away, and so on. we expect something else from what will be in gd, a conference that will suddenly put everything in its place, well, it doesn't happen like that in life, that is, this overdose of some expectations, it then objectively leads to the fact that when eh species could there are no results, then it is created, you know, the impression of some kind of lack of success of some kind of lack of results, there are no documents, and they cannot be because these are consultations. this is not the kind of event

after which some decisions are made solutions solutions can be except that on this the peace summit, which is planned to be held by the end of the year, but again, well, let's imagine, even let's run a little ahead . another consultation is yellow, or when will the summit take place, for example, in november of this year? yes, absolutely correct things will be said there, there will be a reference to the un charter there will be references to territorial integrity , to everything, and so on. then everything we have stolen remains with us, no compensations, no contributions, no punishments of criminals and we part

ways for a few years so that we can attack you again, the question is in the problem , we are thinking about this now , are we going to push again -e the situation and then after the summit we will say well, everything is correct , and there is no solution, but the solution is simple, it is forged by our heroes on the battlefield and no more. well , i completely agree with you here, but here you go again after all, they caught me, i was already thinking about you