[000:00:00;00] territorial integrity for anything and so on and so on and so on and so on. contributions, no punishment of criminals, and we part ways for a few years to attack you again, then the question is in the problem, we are already thinking about this, are we going to inflame the situation again, and then after the summit we will say well , that's all right, there is no solution, but there is a solution it's simple, it's forged by our heroes on the battlefield and nothing more. well, i completely agree with you here, but you 've touched on it again. i was already thinking about advertising

, but only this question, let's figure it out anyway this is the format of the consultations. as you said, the consultations are indeed consultations without russia. they went step by step . consultations took place without russia. then at some point , we had to meet at the same table together with our partners, allies and countries that joined these consultations. with russia, which has already asked the representatives of some countries to tell it to the kremlin, that is, about what happened in the jet . and this format of consultations without russia will later turn into a format. maybe even negotiations with russia are unlikely. it is unlikely, mr. yurii i think it is realistic that the least civilized world will not sit down at the same table with putin. well, it is already obvious, and i think that even this should be

doubted here, yes, the countries of this south can be western, yes, continue, because i understood that way that now is the time for an advertising break or is it possible to talk about that, so you see, uh, this is also we must uh, well, take into account on this side , so that again there are no extraordinary expectations and from the next consultations, not from the site itself, because if by that time the spine of the russian army in ukraine is not broken, this summit will again not give practical results, so the position of many countries of the world will be consolidated. this will give an opportunity to pass possibly several resolutions

to the un general assembly, which will be very important for the creation of an international tribunal for crimes in russia. yes, there will still be a lot of correct words about the crimes of prophesy and so on and so forth, but if until then russian troops remain on at least 10 square meters of ukrainian land, it is not will mean that we have completed at least part of our main task of punishing russia, so actually we should come out of this and again not think that everyone will gather around the same table without russia or with russia i i rule out such an option in principle, except when signing the act of surrender uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, meetings, such meetings, except for purely political significance, which can then be transformed into some kind of, well, accept

us documents, uh, well, practically, uh, meaning it's not worth it. well, i think that it will be like that, it will just be purely political, because from our point of view, as you repeatedly say about it, our main goal is to break the spine of this creature. break the spine a as far as i understand people who gather at these consultations, except of course our closest partners and allies, they want to agree on something. therefore, the decision will be purely political and will it be, well, in one word, i saw that even you clarified something. not only our countries of the global rooster want to agree. unfortunately, some politicians and in the west they want to negotiate and this is also a big problem, so i think we need to solve this issue the way it was solved

by the cruiser moscow by the crimean bridge by the chinga by eh others by these eh big eh amphibious ships, etc., etc., etc. these are steps to solve the problem, political steps. this is also very important , but they follow these steps, and i think that we just need to keep it in our heads, as well as the main conclusion of that what is going on, the diplomats will write everything correctly, but for them to write correctly , we need to have what we really need on the ground , and it is true. yes, mr. volodymyr, now we are going for a short commercial, stay with us, this is what i am saying , i am going to mr. volodymyr and to everyone who

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specially created for our program , please come back. we are already on the air if you we were making tea and coffee, we came back and you are coming back because 1,350 people watched us before the ad, now they are watching 1 two oh, you are already reading, you are starting to come back, so thank you all come back like that well, i will continue with mr. volodymyr e p volodymyr tell me, please , let's have one more about saudi arabia , the presence of the representative of china, ligway , he was not present at these consultations. well, in general , the representative of china, not only ligway, was not in copenhagen in june, now he has come so according to the message posted on the website from the ministry of foreign affairs of the kingdom of heaven, it can be understood that china once again presented its peaceful initiative at these consultations, which consists of 12 points, but that

the very presence of the liguei over these consultations was not represented there. a retort to what we finished before the ad break so i read a couple of minutes in this , it seems to me very important information that andrii saplienko has now posted in his telegram channel, which is key parliamentary factions of the bundestag have agreed on the decision that it is necessary to transfer taurus long-range missiles to ukraine, this is plus the fact that yesterday we heard about the decision of the french on this very topic, and it will create conditions that the diplomats will then write correctly with china or without china, but now i return to your question about the representative of the prc well, let's start from the fact that china in this situation is definitely

an ideological ally of russia, whether we like it or not, but they are very similar in terms of their ideological nature of the regime. another, and therefore they are definitely allies, another thing is that china, despite its current economic power, is somehow interconnected with the economies of europe and north america, and this interconnection does not give it the opportunity to do everything it wants to do paying attention to the consequences, the consequences can be quite sad for him, and now we see two trends, the first trend is that the west realized that just like that, we will not give anything to china anymore, and this applies

primarily to technologies and the second trend the political er-e was determined in the west . i mean that china will be the main challenge for the west in the near future, the next decades, in other words , a threat . it seems that he is now, as he has done repeatedly in the past , he will continue to balance between his ideological friend and an event that is economically important for him. and it is for these reasons that i would talk about er arrival er

the chinese representative to this meeting, well, actually, about these 12 points of china, they talked a long time ago, there is nothing special about them , this is not a specific plan of action. therefore, there is really nothing extraordinary there, and if china wants to demonstrate that it is really changing its position, then it should officially and publicly state that we consider the main prerequisite for the end of the war to be the withdrawal of russian words from ukrainian territory, everything else will be to discuss after that well, there is no such statement, for example, it is a pity, of course, the positive is that he came and that is already very good, but you can come sit down and be silent and you can

come sit down and repeat what you have been saying for a long time, that is, uh, i would lash out again in the assessment that this is our crazy victory and so on, this is a step forward, this is a good step, it is true, but to talk about the fact that the position of china has changed, well, it is again to pass off the desired for an action, well, really, thank you , mr. volodymyr, for making corrections in names in our program you see in us in er week meeting in saudi arabia because it's not us as we understood mr. volodymyr explained it not by ourselves it's just a consultation meeting that's why we have a meeting in saudi arabia and we're closing everything the last issue to close er this meeting in saudi arabia say anything please, in september, in september, there will be a un general assembly in new york, can we expect anything from this general assembly

, taking into account all the meetings that took place before it , including this meeting in saudi arabia, or will there be something at this general assembly? yes, mr. yuriy, in september traditionally the heads of states and governments gather for about a week when this high-level format takes place and they present their vision of what is happening in the world . now we were talking about this meeting in saudi arabia, it is possible to hold several tens of bilateral meetings within a week, which is a very convenient format and does not require any additional preparatory efforts, it is done quickly and quite efficiently

so, i think that our delegation should still be headed by the president , despite the understandable situation here at home, but it seems to me that you cannot omit them, they provide much more than many bilateral meetings when they are separated, so to speak, from each other . therefore, this site will be used in relation to the resolutions that may be adopted . i cannot go into details now. i cannot talk about, so to speak, ideas. they are our diplomats, i know they are very uh, it seems to me that uh, they should be productive, they will help us promote ideas about uh, uh, the responsibility of russia, about what uh, she uh, and uh, those who lead this

country today will suffer a well-deserved punishment for what they are doing today in ukraine and maybe also what they did before that and in other regions of the world so promotion will be promotion i think promotion will help such a meeting and just now took place in saudi arabia, because it is also, well, actually, well, a certain one educational activities eh for the same eh segment where we are not yet too strongly represented eh and therefore i think that eh result will definitely be only political, practical results cannot be because russia any decision of the un security council which is binding for implementation and which she will consider as not in line with her interests, will block that is why we have to live in

this kind of situation, we are moving forward politically , we are practically waiting for this until the empire is dissolved said that you can't give details. may i ask? it may be related to the creation of a special tribunal or preparation for the creation of a special tribunal, does it somehow relate to this or not? well, of course . on this issue, some of our western partners are still hesitating and want to make another hybrid beast, so that it is both ukrainian and international. i think this is a bad idea and just a promotion. in this

regard, through the adoption of the relevant the resolutions of the genome assembly would help the idea of ​​creating a specialized, well, like the lubin tribunal, to be promoted further, so i think that somewhere this direction will be one of the most important. well, yes. now, let's give one more question that interests me. they even announced that their meeting will take place in the last week of august, there will be a lot to talk about, even erdogan offered to become a peacemaker again and offer some of his ways to resolve the conflict ukraine, but ok, but let's not talk about the war, let's talk about the grain initiative

. do you think that erdogan will be convinced, or actually not even that erdogan will be convinced? in the black sea will they convince putin to return to this grain initiative or is it not even worth persuading him now, i just heard the opinion that even without the consent of russia, grain will go from ukraine, that this is a big program as we know, the grain initiative consists of two parts, that is, one part of ukraine is turkish onivsk, the other is the same russian part of turkish ivanovsk. we and russia do not intersect, that is, russia actually broke the agreement. it is not between us and russia, but between it and turkey, that is let them figure it out for themselves whether they will restore it or not restore it, we have enough of their problems as we now see ways to ensure that ukrainian grain goes from

our ports to the world grain market how can it be done in the same way quite simply and clearly and it is clear that we need to make sure that our western partners stop observing and do what is necessary in such cases, help us accompany our dry cargo ships with their military fleet. an option was offered by the sbu and our valiant er naval forces, they simply er closed six russian ports and showed what would happen to those civilian er ships that transport military cargo, they will follow the moscow cruiser, but i think a combination of these

two things and will give us the opportunity to go about our business without regard to whether erdogan has agreed with putin or not, whether the hotel will call putin or not. this and their problems. we should think about ourselves, but let russia understand that its attempts to transform the black sea in your inner eh this is a fantasy eh this eh you know yourself eh well, i once said a drunken ugar in the same medvedev there or in putin 's i don't know. more than which one will pass and they will understand that this will not happen that's why we we have to look at these things here, it seems to me that it is as primal as possible to agree with our nato allies, first of all, with bulgaria and romania about e from well and turkey , of course, about e-e corresponding e-e corridors along their by the way, territorial

waters, what is quite realistic if, if, to work in this direction and not to pay attention to any cries , well, there is something else behind the comma, from the side of moscow. well, in another way, it seems to me that we will not be judged in the future will then want to resume his history with turkey and the un is his the right doesn't want it, but he has it worse and it's right, volodymyr well, the last thing i would like to talk to you about today is, please tell me, european countries, in particular poland and lithuania , are bringing their troops to the border with belarus because they consider the wagnerites who are currently registered there to be a serious threat in belarus, and in your opinion, in your professional opinion, the wagnerians can represent a serious threat to these two

countries. well, how can there be 10,000 people there? although there are even less than nine, in my opinion, or do i see a figure somewhere, er, be a threat to nato countries well, i know that. well, i'm just not imagining it. well, come on. well, they went to attack poland. 9,000 people. sorry , there won't be any feathers there if they don't react with concerns and observations. and how should it be ? a couple of missiles flew into polish airspace and they landed forever, so i think that the topic of such things has fallen off the agenda. well, i am constantly reminding him of the situation

that happened. military aircraft from that at the moment, not a single plane even comes close to turkey, the truth is, because everyone understood how it all happens , how it will be if it is done, and by the way, it was a nato country, that is, and it is not surprising that the third world war for some reason did not it started because putin quickly understands the place that has been assigned to him, but unfortunately our western partners are still for some reason more delicate with him and do not want to show him his place that's really and let's go, we still have two more minutes, but regarding these wagnerians, i would ask this question on the other hand, because as far as i read the polish press , in particular, they are afraid that the wagnerians will help the belarusian border guards

to let illegal migrants pass en masse. it is possible on which to dress up as migrants and pass through the territory of poland. and there you can do all kinds of things, it can be absolutely, it can be only some kind of provocation, moreover, such a provocation is small, uh, insignificant. well, there have already been these attempts through the belarusian polish to flood the border to europe with refugees from countries there with arab education and so on. well, what. that is, it already depends on how clearly and harshly the polish border is first regulated, and then, as they say , the desire will quickly remain somewhere, so i do not think that the wagnerites in belarus is something serious. thank you, mr. volodymyr. thank you, as always, for a meaningful and interesting conversation. thank you for answering all my questions. this was

volodymyr ogrysko - minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2007-2009. is interesting professional answers well, now i only have to sum up the results of today's program, so first of all i need to go to youtube, because there will be oh, how many comments , i will read all the comments after , obviously, after the program ends , so on now we are watched on a special channel created for the program the world during the war 1,500 6 people i bow to you all thank you okno thank you also to all those who watch on the general espressov e-e youtube channel and those who watch us on the air where we are not turned off, thank you, we work for you, we create such programs . so, 157 people and 225 people answered the question that i

asked today during the e-e program, the result is the same in saudi arabia, this is the first end of the war, 24% of those who answered believe that the truce is think 38%, and your option 37%. well, if you are interested in how i answered, then i answered your version. no, just as mr. volodymyr ogrysko said. well, the result. these are just consultations that will not lead to anything. we even changed the title in the title. what is it? there was just a meeting in saudi arabia, but as we understood, the meeting is extremely important for us and extremely important for our partners from the allies in order to approach other meetings at which this issue will be resolved with some common denominator, and such meetings may be enough, but not too many but it can be more than one because, as mr.

volodymyr ogrysko said to such important questions , it is simply impossible to solve such important problems at such a single meeting. well, a huge thank you to our partners and allies for organizing this meeting and in particular to saudi arabia, which volunteered to hold it on its territory, it is very, very important for us, so, well, at this point, i will say goodbye to you little by little, because the time allocated for me is running out today, but we will meet as usual next time next week monday at your usual time at approximately 1:10 p.m. we will meet on the air where the espresso tv channels are not turned off and of course we will meet on youtube there will be new guests there will be new topics but everything will be as usual interesting. well, my name is yuri fizer,