[000:00:00;00] the backbone of the russian army in ukraine has been broken, this summit will again not give practical results, so there will be a consolidated position in many countries of the world, so it will give an opportunity to pass possibly several resolutions of the un general assembly, which will be very important for the creation of the international tribunal for crimes in russia. yes, there will still be a lot of correct words about russian crimes, prophesying and so on and so forth, but if by then russian troops will remain at least 10 square meters of the ukrainian land, this will not mean that we have accomplished at least part of our main task of punishing russia, that is why we should come out of this and again not think that everyone will gather around

the same table without and or well with russia , i rule out such an option in principle, except when signing the act of surrender uh , uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, meetings, uh, meetings, other than purely political significance, which can then be transformed into some kind of, well, accept us documents, uh, well, it's practically important well, it seems to me that it will be like that, but it will just be purely political, because from our point of view, as you repeatedly say about it, our main goal is to break the backbone of this creature. spine and as far as i understand, the people who are gathering at these consultations, except, of course , our closest partners and allies, they want to agree on something. therefore, the decision will be some kind of purely political, and will it be, well, in one

word, i saw it, and you clarified something not only uh, our uh- it is a global country the rooster wants to negotiate. unfortunately, some politicians in the west also want to negotiate, and this is also a big problem, so i think we need to solve this issue the way it was solved by the moscow cruiser on the crimean bridge by chingar. eh others on these eh big eh landing ships eh and so on and so on these are steps to solve the problem political steps this is also very important but they follow these steps and i think we need it just

keep in your head like the main you, that is, you what is going on, the diplomats will write everything correctly, but for them to write correctly, we need to have what we really need on the ground, and it is true. yes, mr. volodymyr, now we are going for a short commercial, stay with us , this is what i am saying, i am going to mr. volodymyr and to everyone who is watching us after a short break, we meet again in the program the world during the war fleet from earache 20% in pharmacies podorozhnyk to you and save money so that ukrainians do not think about so that they do not speak in the first place , it still comes out war, war and our victory

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defender defender yes we are back live i mean the program the world during the war well and before how to continue the conversation with mr. volodymyr ogriskomu, i want to ask everyone who watched us on a special channel on youtube specially created for our program , please come back . we are already on the air. now watching 1 two oh, you're already reading, you're starting to come back to that thank you all come back like this well, i'm continuing with mr. volodymyr e p volodymyr please tell me one more thing, let's talk about saudi arabia the presence of the representative of china was not present at these consultations. well, in general, the representative of china not only treated was not

in copenhagen in june, now he has come, so the awareness that was posted on the website of the ministry of foreign affairs of the heavenly kingdom can be understood that china once again presented its initiative at these consultations peacefully, which consists of 12 points, but so that the very presence of the liguey over these consultations is not represented there. she can talk to us about something. finished before the ad break. well, i read this for a couple of minutes. it seems to me very important information that andrii soplienko has now posted on his telegram channel that the key parliamentary factions of the bundestag have agreed on a decision about what needs to be transferred to ukraine

taurus long-range missiles, this is a plus is that yesterday we heard about the decision of the french on the same topic, which will create conditions that diplomats will then correctly prescribe with china or without china, but now i return to your question about the representatives of the prc well, let's get out that china in this situation is definitely an ideological ally of russia, whether we like it or not, but they are very similar in their ideological nature to the regime that one is different and therefore they are definitely allies, another matter is that china, despite its current economic power, yes or otherwise interconnected with the economies of er and europe and north america and er this interconnectedness does not give him the opportunity to do everything he

wants without paying attention to the consequences, the consequences can be quite quite sad for him and now we see two trends. the first trend is that the west has realized that we will not give anything to china anymore. and this primarily concerns technology, and the second political trend was determined in the west. i mean that china is where the west is. in the near future, the next probably decades, the main challenge of the main, in other words, a threat. and this, uh, from his side, draws very serious conclusions, and china cannot help but understand this , so it seems to me that uh, he uh, now uh, as he did it repeatedly in the past will be

to continue to balance between his ideological friend and the event that is economically important for him. and it is for such reasons that i would talk about the arrival of the chinese representative to this meeting , well, actually, about these 12 points of china can they said a long time ago that there is nothing special in them, it is not a specific plan of action. and this is a list of uh theses that are rewritten from uh, in fact , the un charter with some amendments and so on, so there is really nothing extraordinary there, and if china wants to demonstrate that it really changes his position, then he should officially and publicly declare what we consider

the main precondition to be the end of the war, the withdrawal of russian words from ukrainian territory, everything else will be discussed after that. it's already very good, but you can come and sit down and be silent, and you can come sit down and repeat what you've been saying for a long time, that is, uh, i would again lash out at the evaluations that this is our crazy victory and so on. this is a step forward. this is a good step. it's true, but talking about the fact that china's position has changed, well, that's again passing off the desired as valid, well, really, thank you , mr. volodymyr, for making corrections to the names in our program, as you can see, we are already writing a meeting in saudi arabia in a week because it's not us, as we understood, mr. volodymyr explained it was not us. it's just

a consultation meeting, that's why we have a meeting in saudi arabia and we're closing everything on the last issue to close this meeting in saudi arabia. will be in september new york, the un general assembly, is it possible to expect something from this general assembly, considering all the meetings that preceded it, including this meeting in saudi arabia, is there anything that can happen at this general assembly? yes , mr. yuryu, in september , heads of state and government are traditionally gathered somewhere around a week when this high-level format takes place and they present their vision of what is happening in the world, this is a very important platform for the exchange of opinions, because there

, just like now, we talked about this meeting in saudi arabia can hold, well, several tens of bilateral meetings within a week, which is a very convenient format and does not require any additional preparatory efforts, it is done quickly and quite efficiently . so, i think that our delegation is all- it should still be headed by the president, regardless of the understandable situation at home, but it seems to me that such people cannot be omitted , they give much more than many bilateral meetings when they are spread out , so to speak, one from the other. therefore, -is

i think this platform will be used in relation to the resolutions that can be adopted, i can't go into details right now , i can't talk about, so to speak, the ideas of our diplomats. productive, they will help us promote ideas about the responsibility of russia, about what it is , and those who lead this small country today will suffer the deserved punishment for what they are doing today in ukraine, and maybe also for what they did eh before that and eh in other eh regions of the world, so that promotion will be promotion. it seems to me that promotion in this will help such a meeting and just took place in saudi arabia because it is also , well, in fact

, there is a certain educational activity for the same segment where we are not yet too strongly represented, and therefore i think that the result will definitely be only political, practical results cannot be because russia any decision of the un security council which is mandatory for implementation and which it will consider as not in accordance with its interests will block therefore we have to live in this kind of situation, we are moving forward politically, we are practically waiting for this until the empire disintegrates, mr. volodymyr . and please tell me what information you said that you said that you can't voice the details. may i ask? it may be related with the creation of a special tribunal or preparations for the creation of a special tribunal, is it somehow related to this or not ? well, of course. well, these are actually things that help us in

this regard to promote the idea itself, because you see that some of our western partners are also on this issue so far they are hesitating and want to make another kind of hybrid animal so that it is both ukrainian and international . i think it is a bad idea and just the promotion . the example of the munich tribunal is to advance further , so i think that somewhere this direction will be one of the most important. well, yes. now let's give one more question that interests me: the future of the grain initiative, look here, then go to erdogan has already been announced that their meeting will take place in the last week of august, there will be a lot to talk about, even erdogan offered to become a peacemaker again and offer some of his own ways

of solving the conflict in ukraine, but ok, let's not talk about the war, let's do it anyway about the grain initiative. do you think that erdogan will be convinced of this , or not, in fact, that erdogan will be convinced, but is it our main intelligence directorate, e.e., the security service of ukraine, who are now doing such interesting things in the black sea? will they convince putin to return to this grain initiative, or is it not even worth persuading him now, i just heard about the opinion that even without the consent of russia, grain will leave ukraine well, i think that this big program, which was called the grain initiative , is being put together. how do we we know from two parts, that is, one part of ukraine is turkish, onivsk is the same, and the other is russian , turkish. we and russia do not intersect, that is

, russia actually broke the agreement. it is not between us and russia, but between it and turkey, so let them they are figuring out whether they will restore it or not restore it, these are their problems , we have enough as we now see ways to ensure that ukrainian grain goes from our ports to the world grain market how can it be done like this it's quite simple and clear. and of course, we need to make sure that our western partners stop watching and do what is necessary in such cases, help us accompany our dry cargo ships with their military fleet. another

option was offered by the sbu and our brave men. naval forces, they just closed six russian ports and showed what will happen to those civilian e-e ships that carry military e-cargo, they will go after the cruiser moscow, but i think a combination of these two things will give us the opportunity to do our business without regard to whether did erdoğan agree with putin or not, will he agree, will the hotel call putin or not ? these are their problems. we should think about ourselves, but make it clear to russia that its attempts to turn the black sea into its internal territory are fantasies, you know. well, i once said that a drunken ugar was at the same medvedev's place, or at putin's place, i don't know. more of which one will pass and they will understand that this will not happen, so we have to look at these things here. it seems to me that it is

as primitive as possible. to agree with our nato allies, first of all, with bulgaria and romania, about uh, and turkey , of course, about uh, corresponding uh corridors along their territorial waters, by the way, which is quite realistic if if uh, work in this direction and ignore any shouts well, there is something else behind the comma eh from moscow well, it seems to me in a different way that we will not move forward, he will want to resume his history with turkey and the un, this is his right . the last thing i would like to talk to you about for today is, please, tell me. europe, the nat countries, in particular

, poland-lithuania are bringing their troops to the border with belarus because they consider the wagnerites who are currently registered there in belarus to be a serious threat, and in your opinion, according to your professional opinion, the wagnerites can be serious a threat to these two countries. well, how can there be 10,000 people there, although there are even less than 9, in my opinion, have i seen a figure somewhere to be a threat to a nato country? well, i know that . well, i just have a bad idea. they went to attack poland, 9,000 people , well, i'm sorry , there won't be any feathers left there if they don't react with concerns and observations. and how is it necessary? well, if

a couple of missiles flew at these two helicopters that flew into polish airspace and they landed forever then i think that in general the topic about such things came from of the agenda well, i keep reminding you of the situation that happened. by the way, with putin's great friend erdogan, who shot down a russian military plane, from that moment on, not a single plane even comes close, well, over turkey, it's true, because everyone everything understood how it all happens, how it will be if it is done, and by the way, it was a nato country, that is, and it is not surprising that the third world war did not start for some reason because putin quickly understands the place that has been assigned to him, but to the great regret of our western partners so far for some reason more delicate with him and does not want to show him his place, and where is the place assigned to him, i ask, and

where is the place assigned to him, he is assigned to the chamber court, it is clear , and this is really it . the question is because as far as i have read the polish press, in particular, they are afraid that the people of wagner will help the belarusian border guards to let illegal migrants pass en masse, and maybe on which to change into migrants and pass through the territory of poland. there are all kinds of things to do, it can absolutely be, it can only be some kind of provocation, and such a provocation is small, er , insignificant. well, there have already been these attempts to flood europe with refugees from countries there with arabic

education, etc. it already depends on how much the polish prikordo is only clearly and harshly re-regulated for the first time and then, as they say, the desire will quickly remain somewhere, so i don't think that the wagnerians in belarus are something serious . thank you, mr. volodymyr, thank you as always for meaningful and interesting conversation. thank you for answering all my questions . it was volodymyr ogrysko - minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 . to sum up today's program, so - first of all, you need to go to youtube

, because there will be, wow, so many comments. to the channel created for the program the world during the war 1,500 6 people i thank you all profusely i profusely thank you also to all those who watch on the general espressov youtube channel and those who watch us on the air where we have not been turned off thank you we work for you we are creating such programs for you. so, 157 people and 225 people answered the question that i asked today during the e-e program, the result is the same , in saudi arabia, this is the first end of the war. 24% of those who answered believe that the truce is believed by 38%, and your option 37%. well if you are interested in how i answered, then i answered your version. no, just like mr. volodymyr ogrysko said. well, the result is just consultations that will not lead to anything. we even changed the title in the title, that it

was just a meeting in saudi arabia, but as we understood, the meeting is extremely important for us and extremely important for our partners and allies in order to approach other meetings at which this issue will be resolved with some common denominator, and such meetings may be enough, but not too many but it cannot be alone because, as mr. volodymyr ogrysko said to such important questions , it is simply impossible to solve such important problems at such a single meeting. well , a huge thank you to our partners and allies for organizing this meeting, and in particular to saudi arabia, which volunteered to hold it at to our territory, it is very, very important for us, so, well, at this point, i will say goodbye to you little by little, because the time allocated for me is running out today, but we will meet

as usual next week next monday at your usual time at approximately 1:10 p.m. meet on the air where the espressova tv channels are not turned off, and of course we will meet on youtube, there will be new guests , new topics, but it will all be interesting as always. well, my name is yuri fizer, see you soon andrii yanivskyi with the economic program on the espresso tv channel, as usual in the morning at 8:10, we meet and talk about various economic topics, but today is an unusual meeting, today we will talk about the economy of a public

organization, how is everything arranged, our guest directly in the studio , oleksiy voronin, the founder and head of the non-governmental organization help ukraine, which helps evacuate ukrainians from the front line , from the occupied territories, from dangerous places. were you once an entrepreneur? what did you do? how did you go from this status of an entrepreneur to the status of a public activist or the head of a public organization? this is such an evolution. for more than 10 years i was engaged in the it field of international companies, then in the 16th year i started the actual automobile business according to the calling of the soul. and he actually led me to the fact that when the global invasion began , it seemed to us that we had to evacuate people, and we all did it at once understood, the families were taken away. and here is the fleet of cars that were in

the parking lots on the sites in kyiv and kharkiv. when the misfortune happened, you decided that you will not sell these cars, you will not make money from them, but will use them in staging , they contacted and asked to take out my car, that dodge, there is a sedan, any kind, we all used the cars in order to transfer them to a safe territory before for everything and they said take my car. it was located there on obolon, the keys are there and there are people, we have already made anastads on instagram and there were already thousands of applications for evacuation . and now if you say how and how big are you now? what are the volumes? if we talk about the public organization help, we currently have 32 cars , mostly passenger and cargo minibuses. that is, they are not ordinary cars anymore, and we also have four-wheel drive vehicles