[000:00:00;00] enters. we are there on the first day. it is a golden time . we operated, raised, seated, walked, taught the patient with the boys. here, it is more difficult in terms of the treatment itself, the tactics of the treatment. when the war started, i asked myself the question many times why are there 24 hours in a 48-hour day because you want to cover everything as much as possible sometimes it is difficult and with professional burnout , a stranger says that a person likes to sit there he drove our car over there, he gets a kick out of it. well, you all get a kick out of me somewhere. although it's strange , he remembers the career of a doctor since

he was a child. this is possible in the police, i don't know her, it just so happened that i went to medicine , what motivates me is that i see the recovery of patients , they are moving. they are returning to the life they had, they can take care of themselves there. recovers after serving in advanced positions in kherson region and donetsk region . this year because of him, i bend my back and walk unevenly , well, cool, that’s how they should be. tetyana nedbailo maksym shevchenko news cherkasy ukrainian refugees who want

to stay longer in poland are younger than those who intend to return to ukraine this is stated in the study of the migration platform and hiv and the center of east european studies of the university of warsaw, the intention to stay is particularly affected by employment , and here are all these statistics. in poland, two hundred refugees from ukraine were interviewed and compared those who plan to stay in the neighboring country for at least a year and those who want to return to ukraine, the average age of refugees who plan to stay in poland is 34 full years, and those who plan to return to ukraine are 38. according to a survey of ukrainians aged 18 to 25 , they intend to leave poland for at least a year longer. want

to return to ukraine , 26% of people aged 26 to 35 want to stay longer in the neighboring country. instead , 36% of respondents among refugees between 36 and 45 years of age intend to return 48% of respondents intend to stay in poland instead 35 plan to to return ukrainians aged 45 and older want to stay only 5% of respondents 12 have a desire to return home let's discuss the numbers now about these research results let's talk with margarita sytnyk they are spokespeople for the migration platform in l which is just relevant to this research margarita congratulations thank you for joining to our broadcast glory to ukraine glory to the heroes first of all, i congratulate you as a person who is in one way or another related to this research, were you surprised by these results

, what did you think was interesting? well, it seemed logical to me that those people who are older than 45 years. they still want to return to ukraine more, and young people want to gain new experience , including those who are already visiting and leaving abroad. as our research found out , in general, after the full-scale invasion , the number of ukrainians aged from 18 to 25 years old, this day is about ukrainian refugees and ukrainians who were in poland before the full-scale invasion in general, if we talk about this part of the study where we compared the portrait of ukrainian refugees who want to stay in poland and some return to ukraine, it is interesting that most of them work, but among those who want to stay in poland, the percentage of them who work from the surrounding ukrainians who work below their qualifications is more

and almost the same percentage of ukrainians who by profession and among ukrainians who want to stay in poland and among those who want to return, and this indicates that work is of course a very important and motivating factor for them, but there are other reasons that make them decide the decision is either to return to ukraine or to stay in poland, so we actually asked what motivates ukrainians to this decision, then ukrainians who plan to stay in the country say that they want to make it a bonus for living friends because they are integrated because poland is not culturally close to ukraine education about children, access to social benefits and simplified access to the labor market of ukrainians who want to return home , it is important for them to be separated from their family, one of the main factors is also the accession of ukraine to

the european union and nato, as well as a number of reforms in the education system, in the cooling system, health care, and the state's help in restoring damaged sugar . these are the main points that we managed to attack when it was actually treated by a ukrainian refugee who wants to return , either fine or leave, the only thing is the question of gender . somehow you didn't say whether how much was the number of men interviewed and do these numbers correlate, i don’t know about young women, older women, and correspondingly with men, this is also interesting. well, in general , after a full headquarters invasion with 92% women and mainly with children, the number of actual ukrainians who are currently in poland with children has increased five times compared to before the russian aggression, and almost half of ukrainians in poland are with children, it can be

one child, two children or three children. it is more their women, they prefer to return home, young people are trying to embroider their life in poland , but there are also personalities and different moments . besides the desire to return, the same children , many went to school, many children went to universities and for ukrainian women the uprising is such an important decision, do they continue to study in the polish education system, why do they return to ukraine, but first of all, the issue of security, because there were a lot of women, refugees from the north, from the south, from the center of ukraine, and the majority in the first month of the war, and they are actually waiting for it to be one hundred percent the guarantee of the safety of their children, and this will be one of

the main factors for them, whether they return or remain abroad , in particular in poland, mrs. margarita, well, first of all , i will give my personal opinion, i do not think that everything you noted in your research that in some strange illogical way, everything is clear, women who are young find work are already trying to start a new life, those who are old do not find work , even if they return to their own families, but you know i want you now, we actually have 30 seconds left, such a slightly provocative question now in ukrainian social networks , there is a constant debate about whether men from ukraine should not be allowed to leave after winning there for some time, uh, several years, what do you think, or should this flow be stopped at all

if he will be even after the end of the war, i answered you with my own story. i lived in poland for seven years. i am not a man . i lived in poland for seven years. i had a comfortable and safe life. thank you, a very short answer and with us the main thing. of course, thank you for sharing your own experience and your research. it was margarita sytnyk, the spokeswoman of the migration platform, and you discussed the portrait of a ukrainian refugee abroad, let's continue they saved with the help of a drone the serviceman serhiy serhiy vyvsyanyuk fought in the south of ukraine during the battles he was wounded and had to retreat the wounded soldier was found by the national guard soldiers from the drone they threw water and medicine to serhiy how did he manage to evacuate let's see further in the story this is a serviceman of the first separate tank brigade of the armed forces of ukraine serhiy oatmeal , now the man is being treated in one of the khmelnytskyi medical facilities, he says he received several shrapnel

wounds when he was defending ukraine in zaporozhye direction, we had the task of holding the e-e landing , which the guys stormed to us, entered and took our positions from the legal one for reinforcement, serhii received the first wound during close combat, he says the occupiers threw a grenade at them, i saw it, there were two other guys in the trench with me i jumped from this grenade and pierced my arm and lung, after being wounded serhiy, together with other injured brothers, decided to retreat to a safer place to try to evacuate . a group of five people gathered at our place. when we arrived to the evacuation point, the artillery began to work on us, serhiy tells about showers along the road so that they would not be seen , a sniper was working on one of our soldiers, and panasa's artillery was also working when

the mortar fired, serhii received a second wound, a shrapnel went into the wind and came out through the shin, i said to my partner, with whom the two of them crawled. i asked him to get further, then he gave me a tourniquet, i clamped my leg with the tourniquet and lay down , then i began to try to crawl a little and lost consciousness due to a strong pneumothorax due to a punctured lung, serhiy recalls that he often lost consciousness in one of the places where the man spent the night. he says that when he fell on the road, he saw a guy, but he was not sure that it was a ukrainian soldier. when he crawled higher, i realized that it was his. he was also a guy from my unit. he was very thirsty. because we were in an open field under the open sun and no one had water at this place, wounded soldiers were seen by servicemen of the karadag assault brigade

of the national guard of ukraine. uh, a note in which it was indicated that i was very close to the enemy landing, it was probably 100-150 meters from them and that i had to crawl because they wouldn't be able to pull me out. so i gathered myself, i'll say yes, and started to fight. half a day after i lost consciousness, the paparazzi reported that it was him. we found him. they put me on a stretcher and carried me for another 4-5 kilometers. it wasn’t scary . it was already more like a dulled consciousness . i didn’t think even then, and i didn’t even have a special i hoped that there would be a continuation, so to speak, of my life story after the treatment, serhiy is waiting for the long rehabilitation of olena

lysenko, not the news of zaporozhye, the chevrons approaching victory without weapons in their hands, but with brave hearts, they are brave to go through the flames and smoke to save the victims , they are brave to go out on mined lands so that the light in our homes is restored, be brave not to make a mistake when there is no right to make a mistake, because the fate of millions depends on it, be brave to give hope and faith that everyone who is waiting for help will not

remain in trouble where a person is experiencing the scariest instant heroes without weapons rescuers of the emergency services are approaching victory and fight for every life tell me honestly how anxiety does not allow you to do the work of your imagination with a picture of it in a book and just lies on your knees now close it put it down and come back to us to learn other ways to improve your condition go to the site how are you.com hello, today we will talk about children 's ukrainian literature and i understand that this is an ambitious topic for discussion and maybe not everyone is interested in it, but i know for sure that the processes

taking place are very revealing in particular for the ukrainian society and today i will talk with olya rusina and the journalist writer olya hello hello eh i will of course talk about the latest happenings in your creative life and these are two books apricots bloom at night and a cake tractor that pulls a tank eh i think that by now hearing these names you will be able to guess what it is about. it is probably about a military theme. well , the first book may not be read that way, but in the end it is also a story about a child who lives near the occupied territories and it is not your first books and writing on the subject of war about war for children i think it is different than writing just for children did you feel this difference , how did you feel about it of course i also felt the book you called the first berkova

blooming at night i have been thinking about it for several years probably, that is, about the very idea before she started writing, and well, it seems to me that for children's writers in ukraine, this is natural to a certain extent, because, well, that is, the reality in which we all lived since 2014 , that is, anyway, one way or another, sooner or later she started would appear in children's books in particular, but in children's literature for a long time, it seems to me that books specifically about the war for children began to appear significantly later than, er, adult prose about the war. maybe you just know the phrases for a long time, maybe it required more preparation . i also think that it is more difficult, again, for children to take on such topics, and then you take on such topics at once, and at first we somehow had so that at first there were almost no such books

that is, i remember there in the first years of the war in the east there were, for example, the book "the wolf that sat down with a bomb like this" there are two of them in one collection of short stories, of course there was a war that changed rondo, which we all know is translated and bought by the language but again, our changes kind of, this is a more allegorical book about war in general as a phenomenon, not about a specific war, although it is clear that it was inspired by specific events, but instead , it seems to me that about a year before the full-scale invasion , more and more books leading to children what is the most important thing for very different age groups because what i wrote is for about 11, maybe 14, 15 years, there are also books for teenagers, there are books for junior high school , well, that is, again, these are different writers who already work with different ages in groups and they, but in this field of their own, it is necessary to work on it. hmm, again, returning to your story before writing the tractor thor, eh , this is a fantastic case for me, i deliberately

said that as a journalist, you work with news. that is, you pass through yourself the whole this stream of everything that is happening in our reality begins a full-scale invasion. you don't just stay in kyiv , now for the first few days you can't leave work, as i remember, then you join the clearing of rubble in borodyanka and gostomel , if i'm not mistaken, well, it was already in april, yes, of course, of course, you are already there according to those events, and you are writing a children's fairy tale, well, that is, how, living this hell, i see what it is, feeling fear is the key, all the whole spectrum of emotions that we are so familiar with , you managed to decide on a fairy tale

how was it? you know, it seems to me that a fairy tale, well, as a genre, as a form of storytelling, now, on the contrary, has become closer to many people, even adults, than before, and it seems to me that even among my adult acquaintances, i often notice how they even talk about some events as if to some kind of m-m that is a myth of mythologizing, but actually all these things are also talked about in the same tori tractor, that is, a tractor pulling a tank is such a kind of image, a little bit fabulous because it has several eyes in itself of symbols at once, that is, a tractor, on the one hand, it is some kind of symbol of this, you know, such a peaceful life of small-scale work, some such daily work, maybe somewhere you know some kind of similar work. i would say that what you love is there , you sow grain there, you grow something, and so on , but on the other hand, it is also a symbol of the fact that the war has begun and we are all doing not only what we usually do, but we all have to learn something right away, there are some professions or occupations in order to be the most effective, if

it is best to help each other, that is, all of them some images are a bit mythologized. they still appear around. it seems to me that a fairy tale, even for adults, is in some such a very cool way, it can even make sense of reality a little subconsciously, because a fairy tale is always very structured, firstly, and secondly , there is always this in the box office this kind of conclusion is so logical where everything is all right in the end , that is , fairy tales usually do not have a completely open ending. my tomorrow and then i will do this and that because we do not know when it will be and we also need to wait for this victory psychologically and be in good condition, but on the other hand we still think that someday it will be a victory and then, for example, we will rebuild the country, then each of us will return to some occupations

that he can abandon during a full-scale war, because there is no time and resources for this, and the fairy tale is exactly in such and such a storytelling plan, it is always the first to finish the story of a friend, a story with such a clear division of heroes into positive and negative and this and that too in what categories do we now speak time we often say there russians orcs and so on, that is, journalism - i really don't support it on some mythical creatures, these are specific people , citizens of a specific country, but it is not ok for journalism , on the contrary, i see that it is in such daily communication. a little in such mythologized categories as if they think about everything that is happening and in particular it gives them the opportunity to think about what will happen in the end everything will be fine that we don't know when it will be but it will still be fine because

you have an inner inner center do you have some kind of lekala, some kind of catchy, some kind of prapo and that children’s literature is necessary or there is literature for children that must be written here answering to such and there points or so that it is appropriate to this or does it exist at all because for me despite what i read and now i also read children's literature i'm also starting, for me, it's still such an abandonment that writing children's books is something separate, it has to be taught and it even seems to me somewhere separate, it's some other approach, i'm probably wrong, it's a difficult question because i'm thinking in the process of coming up with something is thinking about the very idea of ​​the book, and let's say the first draft , i hardly think about it because it's because it's the first draft because there may be some things that you later throw away, you're just working through the story but i

think that the most attention is paid to the fact that you say that you are already at the stage of editing your first edit, there are also several stages, there are several stages myself, and there are rereads like this before sending to the publishing house, then there are letters to the editor well, and so on, for example, when i wrote the tractor. about the war, that's the same thing that was in my head all the time, about which i am personally convinced that it should be done that way, that is , i do not pretend, again, to set conditions, you know, to my colleagues in the profession, but i do this for myself. when i write i i wish that the aggressor should be named by name, that is, in the tractor, for example, despite the fact that it is a fairy tale. there appears the fact that we were attacked by a mythical evil entity, namely the russians, and it was important for me to write in the tractor that it was not it's just that it's not just the will of one or two people who came to a particular city is the problem of the whole society and that's why there is a phrase what uh

, for example, when they occupied a city and the main characters think oh now everything will be very good and the other characters tell them unfortunately not because of that that there are a lot of people who want to pay back, and until they all leave, if they do not return to their own ukraine , the war will continue until then, that is, it seems to me that uh, on the one hand, it is also important, again, uh, it is important for such a me you seem to know what the understanding of the reality of children is, because uh, what realities do you understand, and i'm curious. by the way, isn't it because i'm trying to deny you, but i'm curious. is it possible that you've already received some feedback from readers, from the parents of readers, about what you're talking about? such topics, such theses, because there is a leadership of the country, and they are war criminals who will respond to this . why do you impose the language of enmity and hatred and instill it in relation to all the people of this

country? well, you know directly, there are no such reviews yet it was maybe because the book just came out. well, literally a week or two ago , i understood that they could be and i understood that they could be. well, you know, it’s still such a topic. i mean, i’m ready for negative reviews . there was also the case of apricots and the case of a tractor. because it's just a topic that affects many people. and it's normal that some people don't like it very much, and i had very negative reviews, for example , on apricots, the previous book, there were often very extreme reviews, or i really liked it or i really didn't like it i am ready on the one hand, returning to the topic of this. well, speaking there is aggressor, who is the aggressor, who is defending, who are we, all these stories are like that, in fact, why i think it is important, because it somehow also shows, well, our place on the juice of ukrainians, all the stories. that is, we are not you just know the country that was suddenly attacked. and that this attack did not just come out of nowhere, that is, for russia, this is not the first such

attack, and it has its own prerequisites, and these prerequisites are russian imperialism, and it is clear that you will not write a children's book with the word imperialism because it is not clear, but for example, in apricots, er, i tried. there is a father who tells the main character, a boy , about how he lived in the soviet union and what the soviet union was, censorship, that is , such independence, which did not seem to exist. the fact russian was planted and he says that now russia wants to live as if the soviet union still exists despite the fact that all these countries that were part of it have already become independent, that is , i think that it is still worth it at different levels, of course, according to age, but to explain this, hmm, this historical let's say it's so hard that it didn't happen. you know that this happened, but why don't we know, because it's a sense of catastrophe, the causes of which we don't know , it also undermines us morally very much

. it seems to me that it's because we don't know that we then we can do that everything is over, we lose complete control of the situation, and when i understand that it all happened not just like that, but we also understand that in order to survive, in order to win there, we need to do this, this, that is , let's say these are the values ​​that we have they are the most unacceptable for our attacker. accordingly , we want to preserve these values. it seems to me that it is the opposite, well, in this situation , it will be useful and it is absolutely clear what it is. the material of the book, based on more documentary material, they understood that in the war, which changed the roundabout, for example, there are scattered about what, because it is about such a war as a phenomenon, but for example, if some book well, i usually look like this if i write a book in which one side is clearly marked, that is, about of the main characters, it is clear, for example, that they are ukrainians , because some cities are placed there or some realities are mentioned, or it is directly indicated

that this is not just a black joke, but that they are tied to specific events at a specific time, if any this is one link, then there must also be another link, because it gives the whole complete picture , again in the tractor. and for example, i say that this is my slightly journalistic, you know , a little distortion of the view, with which my literary editor helped me a lot. it was stated there several times that the occupiers are the attackers - russia , er, but for example, the editor, when they said that they read it perhaps too often, that is, we clearly mark it in the text anyway, that it remains so and so, but maybe it is not necessary so often use this word because it can also be a trigger for someone. let's replace attackers with occupiers. well, there's still trouble there . we have to repeat it because this is the plot of the book . yes, but then we left russia somewhere , replaced it somewhere, and again, this is some kind of thing. which i didn't immediately notice because i think that you also know it comes from such journalistic

voices. i say trouble , you know when sometimes. a foreign correspondent there can still talk about this anniversary in the e-mail with questions, and he is already wording vikonflix in ukraine, that is, the attacker has not yet been named at all . yes, and just some abstract conflict , i ’m like that, god, it’s february 2023. i pay a lot of attention to this, but in a children's book it is still necessary. well, it is necessary to keep it at a level that is acceptable for a child, and when we talk about work, again, on children's books , and you are very good. this indicates that i also i remember our previous conversation with you, where you said a beautiful phrase: before writing a children's book , the author must solve his problems, so solve everything

and then start writing the book, is it correct? i understand that this professional deformation is a journalist, and the question was what what did you first have to decide or were you talking about something else when you were talking about it when you were working on a tractor in the case of a tractor? partly it is also partly the fact that our idea itself did not appear in the first place, sometime in the spring of 2022, and then i had i mean, i didn't plan to write something about the war immediately after the start of the full-scale invasion , because it seemed to me that even from a journalistic point of view, this was not from the point of view of this deformation, but more from a personal point of view, that i wouldn't pull it out just like that right away come to my senses a little, because at that time only the people of kyiv region bought deo. that is, you know what happened back then. and it seemed to me that i would not write it in such a way . you know, it seems to me that, again, for