[000:00:00;00] do you not participate in one word, but such a decision is there, so we can congratulate him because this did not happen either, but we also need to work so that it is possible to pay our military even more . thank you for being with us, what am i with you about? serhii rudenko program verdict let's watch together good evening we are from ukraine glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhii rudenko i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health today in the program there is a powerful explosion in the swamps among russians hysterical because of a probable attack near moscow

putin's defeat formula in what way ukraine and the world can bring about the collapse of the country of terrorists. biden gave the green light to the training of our pilots for the f16 . does this mean that the fighters themselves will soon arrive . an explosion occurred at a mechanical plant near the russian capital this morning, the russians say that it was a pyrotechnics warehouse, is it true that the media write about an arsenal of weapons or equipment that

was manufactured for the needs of the russian army let's see how a cotton woman in a sergeial position is simple, well, yes, uhu, this is me

in the center and i am somewhere like that, i can't understand the district of the worker, what is it? here she is growing and growing, the mushroom is scary , it will be more soon zelenskyi held a bet with the military, the only topic is - this is an offensive, today the armed forces of ukraine hit the command post of the occupiers in nova kakhovka well, the court refused to leave the monastery of the ukrainian orthodox church in the laurel about the formula for putin's defeat about wagner's provocations in belarus and about everything else we will talk in the next hour, today we will have three guests: general malamush, colonel kostenko and diplomat yelchenko. for those who are watching us live on youtube, please like this video and also take part in our survey. today

we ask you about whether it is necessary during the war strengthen responsibility for corruption and bribery yes no your option your option is the option that you can leave in the comments under this video we are in touch with the army general former head of the intelligence service mykola malumush of ukraine general and i congratulate you and thank you for joining our program. congratulations glory to ukraine glory to the heroes, so let's start with the internal enemy, the great enemy that we have, this is corruption today in the people's deputy from the servant of the people , anatoly gunko, they announced the suspicion that he was the chairman of the temporary investigative commission of the verkhovna rada for the investigation of facts of corruption at state-owned enterprises in institutions and organizations of the national academy of dramatic sciences of ukraine accuses him of receiving

a bribe in the amount of 85,000 dollars, can you sir generals during the war, corruptors and bribe-takers should be equated with looters, and shouldn't criminal liability for such crimes be strengthened, because stealing and pocketing during a war is, well, real looting , really a-a well, today we have an extremely er-er situation such that it really if we are talking about the protection of the state, then the facts of corruption , looting, and in it we really already identify it as equivalent, they are precisely serious crimes, and here not only in relation to uh, violations of the law. and this is fundamentally immoral, especially for representatives of uh of the parliamentary majority in this situation, i think that not only the mechanisms of increasing responsibility are involved in the legislative format, but all the resources that have been directed to those involved, what do you understand about such a situation, this is primarily a personnel policy, starting with the office of the president of the cabinet of ministers of the verkhovna rada

, law enforcement agencies, which bodies are currently engaged in e- with all the atlases, projects related to the supply of weapons , equipment, ammunition, components , food, construction, and the military , because we have that, and the americans are all about it repeatedly talk about one of these extraordinary symbolic topics regarding nato's entry into the period of the war, corruption - the system is revealed by the board and at the level of the deputy corps and at the level of the leadership , the deputies who were engaged in humanitarian work and the people of local administrations and because of the military, we are administrations that are also crumbling by the magnitude of the flows , leaving precisely the topics of explanations with e-e supplies and armament of equipment, for example , related to the supply of food products

, we remember that 3-5 times higher namely all the others on the market, but the option is still an order of magnitude lower, that is, totally, although today the president of another country would have defended the box of the minister of finance and we have overcome everything, i will simply say that in all formats our operational situation is being studied in all regions by the central council of communication with the americans with the british with financial monitoring services abroad and by our anti-corruption bodies, these are the guys who worked in the security service of ukraine, according to all the structures of the tax department, first, public organizations show a lot of evaluation, any tender is taken by representatives of 2-3 structures if there are conditions for the tender today, there are many without tenders. that’s why everyone knows that because all of ours compete with each other, one will win, respectively, a well-established model for those sons, for those sons , for the roll-back, for the firm, the gaskets are working in full swing, so the deputy that we are talking about today is a horse, but this is only a phenomenon on the base of the agrarian academy occupies land in almost

all regions of ukraine, the best land, quality land, it is clear that representatives of the deputy corps of the administration of law enforcement structures of various structures that are connected with the religious system and the government have come today , the truth of life and let's sell it, let's go through each region. guardians of the law on security guards support the army and also work tremendously on rollbacks on all topics , including the academy, in every region , regardless of whether it was poltava or vinnytsia or ivano-frankivsk or odesa and that's why he likes to take it, that's why you don't need to close your eyes to it. and the most important thing is that they know about it and this situation is shorter, even more important, the topic of delivering huge

batches, so to speak, to the ministry of defense. critical repairs, but they are going quietly, there are constant drags in tuscany, different so-called paths and stops, even in kyiv , two or three are standing next to each other, literally different companies, competitors among themselves, and very even nearby, how much money was it bought for, how was it organized, is it absurd, an absurd situation, i’m not talking about the sacred safety and defense there, where it really should be extremely , everything is surrounded, anyway. only cases are initiated, they are directly conducted, i will say inactive. for now, because it is necessary to quickly detect the sprouts quickly and quickly condemn them so that society knows the purpose of the war period and this is a special increased

responsibility as a period of emergency situations when all actions are not only under a microscope, but today the entire ability to support the state, support defense, security or evaluate how they are undermined, because all of them are real undermining of the state, in principle , the state, therefore, in this situation, i paid attention to what in addition to the law on the systematic change of personnel in the military sphere and defense and security law enforcement, only a small block should be allocated there, there is no need for 12 anti-corruption organizations that are active today, this is all absurd , the anti-corruption system does not work in the first place turn to create prerequisites technological economic electronic as we say in order not to give an opportunity to cope with corruption schemes from the other side respectively but appointed personnel professional period of the war anti-crisis management must be so powerful that they work well, in a year and a half already the anti-aircraft missile defense system must produce powerful blocks of missiles drones, so to

speak, powerful powerful ballistic missiles on the basis of the southern kabeluchna kb , for example, what are you? we have hundreds of them, this should be created now, and at the expense of what powerful personnel, i once again confirm that today they are not included in the work of the ministry of defense or the ministry of defense in all sectors of the 148 defense enterprise of the complex , nor in all large projects for the supply of weapons, equipment, ammunition, food, or the addition of the like let's see which companies put on our work, it's often not ours, although we have bases, powerful companies and colossal factories submitted proposals to the ministry of defense at one time during the war, you said no there you need to see, here are all the main ones that are controlled by us and that can be developed, make two changes, dear, so to speak, the nuances that need to be compiled directly on the battlefield, and here are the intermediaries who do not have any

production, nothing, and we need it, according to the order, they will win the tenders, respectively, or get direct orders to be from the tender situation, this is the truth of today's life and now for our don't really say that we have a lot, but biden himself said about it that one of the balls, one problem of not joining nato is that the war, but the war will end, of course the second is total corruption. he didn't say that it used to be. it was a secret. and now it's the main problem in the public sector . minister of finance serhiy marchenko mentioned it to you, relying , as he said, on his experience and feelings from an interview with radio svoboda. said that the corruption market in ukraine is now the smallest that has existed in the last 20 years, eh, firstly , do you agree with this statement, and secondly, if corruption threatens national security, and it threatened national security and life during the war

citizens, shouldn't it be worth articulating the issue of corruption as one of the main issues at the national security and defense council, because it is one of the threats to national security, well, first of all , the minister of finance is there and everything defends his emergency uniform, let him go in reality for every operation that is carried out today, those supplies are delivered by the ministry of defense, you are supplies for civilian needs or social problems, let him see who decides how and for what, and these deputies who were drawn there from the verkhovna rada, i emphasize, and there are a lot of local people there and all the same in the schemes, let them figure out what is in life and not what is on paper or on television, especially radio svoboda, but i really communicate with all of us, the entire active and military law enforcement public active of the whole of ukraine, that is millions of people. they just scream such violations a law that has never existed before in my life, and the constitution and norms , so to speak, criminally procedural in connection with corruption and the like, open your eyes, guys , all together, especially the period of war, because

the people will spend powerfully, we will win, but it will all be so powerfully, you have considered the whole situation , no one will ever leave me, and zelenskyi, which territories are not helping anything , here we need not only the meeting of the national security council, i once again emphasize the real mechanisms that prejudice the boxes, they are systemic mechanisms, this is a separate topic of negotiations. it is corruption that removes it by 90%. effective law enforcement agencies that operate , but here we don’t need personnel and they are 12-2 maximum that lead in parallel to sky formats e.e. mutual control as in many countries , for example, in italy, two fought against the mafia the bodies of all this, but one control, the other is really fighting , there is no need. 12 this is wasteful, it will not lead to anything, it is for competition, the transfer of material to one another through the prosecutor's office, through the dbr or from nabu and the like. on major corruption cases, therefore, today consider the issue of conducting a comprehensive staff replacement who are able

to form an anti-corruption team in the economy , so to speak, in the system today of ukrainian industry, the supply of products accordingly in this in real life, without these personnel, there will be nothing, no law will help anything, and the second component, what can i say, uh, don't doze off . they should be professional, and here are some law enforcement structures. class, how can we still support the anti-corruption format of the economy and identify those who are still hiding somewhere, or corruptors or some water oligarchs who will try to cut it off at the root how few will there be, and the system will work transparently, the eyes of deo law enforcement officers are clear, but the professions are dishonest, they say, but we need a powerful political will, a worked-out mechanism only on the basis of the nsdc, and here to accept the answer

, legislative acts, work out the mechanism of the functioning of the economy during the war, then , accordingly, all anti-corruption activities that generate and to raise powerful informational public control even during the war, this is extremely important, then there will be the trust of citizens, the trust of our military and in the authorities and in all the structures that dealt with this issue before mr. general, about one front, i wanted to ask you about the church front, because this week the court released the former vicar of the kyiv-pechersk lavra , pavlo lebedya, on bail in the amount of uah 33 million. almost a million dollars was paid for him. today it became known that the court refused to let the ukrainian monastery of the orthodox church in the lavra, that is, the monks who belong to the ukrainian orthodox church must leave the territory of the kyiv pechersk lavra in yours. how soon and how soon the ukrainian state should and

can put an end to the discussion about what should be this church in ukraine and whether this church is a branch of the russian orthodox church and whether these monks who are in this church are they working for ukraine or against ukraine the security service of ukraine was the head of the corresponding department of the then department which is a courier in religion, well, this is the format in every country , but not only religion, there are many anti-contras , just corruption actions, e.e., anti-terrorist activities, but including the use of religion against ukraine, and it is possible that some extremist organizations or religions are involved against the state we did not understand very deeply, i will say directly that for objectivity yes, everything is simply not everything there, the ukrainian orthodox church, if it is pro-russian there, and so on, the first thing is the servirans who are a huge number of these hundreds of thousands who are fighting at the front, as we say correctly, it is clear that individual churchmen who

worked for russia, which contributed to the aggression , which formed an ideological and spiritual format against our state. here is this one , they should be held criminally responsible , divide it all , and not involve it. wrong approach, russia is playing in order to winterize two positions and create opposition to the religious ground here from er-e grain, how they turned to the russian truth he turned the pva those citizens are running and priests who are ready to fight for our state and who are already fighting at the front today, these are our people these are citizens of ukraine, they clearly identify that this is some kind of pro-russian fundamental wrong, this is work against the harmony of society, against the unification of churches, and so on .

united the uoc-mp, the uoc-kp and the aps, all three churches and clearly gave an ultimatum to russia that we were leaving, and vselensky gave the tomos , it is clear that the will was only incomplete at that time , because the elections had already started in 2004, but the format for unification and obtaining independence was already in place ready, all the other years did not prove this, they always divided and divided, but she used it, she recruited precisely the first uoc mp, although in other structures , contradictions were actively formed, and during the war period , she actively used her agency in and in this church, and i will say frankly in other structures and public and er and political and in the sbu itself, we put a number of generals who directly worked for the enemy, that is why the priests have a clear position that we are responsible for who committed a crime against the state should be in prison, this is the first component, the second component regarding

the lavra itself. and uh, what is the saint like and, accordingly, uh, well, i will just say the shrine of the world, because uspensky was included in unesco. how is the law protecting the right of the state to grant that church that really professes, and uh, our uh, about the ukrainian position that will use the shrine in in the interests of the citizens of ukraine, the believers of ukraine, who really shape our future perspective, everything was the right course and everything was right, and he made the right decision, and with pavel , a more serious crime was committed. are released, mr. general, and i will ask you as a professional, tell me, these fetters are the church fetters of people who can work or still work for the russian federation, how big are they in ukraine

i.e., the scale of how this church is managed and how much it affects all the clergy in ukraine. how much influence does moscow and the russian orthodox church have? i will say some individuals , including the highest e-e church figures. what is the minimum format that they should work today in general , but the majority i will say for sure because i know all the church relationships of the orthodox, three churches that were greek catholics, roman catholics, all protestants and utes and muslims, that's all species let me tell you about our non-traditional churches, that is, about 80 churches that operate in ukraine, most of the churches, including the uoc and their representatives, work for our state, and there were attempts to involve them in various processes, so today we are talking about the fact that they even implemented those active supporters of moscow oops who

were how do we distinguish them separately right now, but i will say directly that it is necessary to work in this church and in other churches, moscow is often not simple. it is often not dry in other branches of orthodoxy and other church structures that are actively working against ukraine, that is why the work today should be about you and the entire sector, and not only one emphasis on the ukrainian orthodox church. it is not necessary to say so until the end, we will ritually analyze it, so it is necessary for the whole church to clearly define the identification of the independent board , once on the other hand, so that all those church ministers and, accordingly, laymen clearly expressed their position and showed by their actions that they are citizens of ukraine, patriots - these are two tasks of both the state and the church today, and it is precisely for us to format the position of support for ukraine favorable research and priests of the faithful and those who committed crimes are punished here so that there is a real difference not all in one vine

as we say because everything in this situation, i will tell you it is not just a format like this is black and white, you need to be able to do much more complicated processes and i will say it directly in many situations it is necessary to fight for those people who today have doubts or think about something. maybe something will happen with the russians and the like . first of all, it is necessary to clearly not only punish the organizers and specific spies and those who really can somehow get lost as we say or doubt them clearly orient them towards our society , our state, this is our task, first of all , of the state, and not just to say yes, all voroks don't work like that, i noticed, mr. general, i can't you again don't ask about other internal enemies, because they were and remain enemies, they are representatives of the fifth fifth column in politics, eh, we know that the opposition platform is officially banned in ukraine during the lifetime of the party, but not a faction and has already

been renamed in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, but the deputies were elected from this party and the deputies in 2019 flew before the presidential parliamentary elections to moscow, which has already carried out an act of aggression against ukraine and they did not consider it completely normal to communicate with the leaders of the russian federation, a country hostile to us. i looked in 2020 in ukraine, more than 4,000 representatives of this political party were elected to various authorities at various levels of districts, villages, settlements, city councils, what to do with seven people and in what way should the power be purged of those people who were elected from the party that

it is forbidden in our country, because these people make the laws, by which we then live, distribute the land, distribute local budgets and non -local state budgets, well, that is, during the war, they do that. well, in principle, they should not have done it, because they are traitors and of the traitorous party in the parliament, i understand a scheme was worked out to attract some of the best, but from venus, which periods were aimed at, they changed the name of the party, the faction, so to speak, and now they work together with the current government, but at the moment, it is necessary to clearly identify who is who, i will say directly, and even the deputies specifically, let's find out what the citizenship is, first of all, the situation, how they worked to support the business of the russian federation, who did they contact, on what terms , who received powerful references, i said tens of hundreds of millions of dollars. and if this complex has billions and regardless of russia, who are they for? formed a position why these resources went to russia why they

took a pro-russian position when it came to politics and how they ended up in power today before that it will really be a political process today we will clearly ask the question of all its political parties deputies at different levels, learning from the verkhovna rada, who controlled the activities of the state in various ways , ideological, political, informational, economic, secret, operative. these are the people who are against the state and today, in order not to vote , in addition to what we tell them, they were banned, but ended up in the parliament, each must go the investigation was carried out concretely clearly and effectively quickly i think that there are a lot of signs for some reason and the security services i see other law enforcement agencies did not react and are looking there are some pro-russian agents there, there are individual innovators, that’s all correct. and here there are strategic people who are oriented towards pro-russian priorities, supported russia and in fact today they are trying

to show themselves in a political way in a residential format to show that they are already tall, patriots , that they are fighting the enemy there and the like, let's create a precedent to bring to justice those persons who worked outside of russia and have russian citizenship unequivocally. and it's easy to check today and they've been known for a long time. to talk about who has been known for a long time and did not hide that he is a citizen of russia, now they are hiding about what not, you must remember about two weeks ago , they detained a regional deputy there, what kind of cattle, i don't know how i got this citizenship, but there you are there are some forms of documents, although russian journalists found documents directly in the register of citizens of russia and re-registered in the 15th year, even that is, even such a lamb, you know, is specific, although the period of occupation already worked on lora, and then something was not shared with the occupiers

came to the territory of our country and proves by tearing his shirt that he is a patriot, he must be dealt with by the deputies and those officials who worked and today she wants the government directly, and in the office we speak and in the cabinet of ministers of other local government structures, she looked at what in what way was this assistance , what was the process of playing along, how were the contacts with representatives and politicians of russia , one is on the monetary basis of direct delay, and there , as a right, the curators of the special services, large corporations , and rural operations are constantly, and this is dependence and today these people are also in power, that is, a huge , huge work is needed to find out about these people , conduct an investigation so that there are no new words , today they have accused and it is clear to conduct a trial. i think that today the government does not have these resources and maybe even a political one, they are talking about getting everything done, thank you, thank you, mr. mykola, it was the army general, mykola, my husband, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our

youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are now watching us live on youtube, please like this video in order to be promoted in the youtube trends. well, take part in our survey . today we ask you about this, is it necessary to strengthen responsibility for corruption and bribery in wartime? yes, no, your option, you can leave your option under this video in the comments at colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine roman kostenko, mr. colonel, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening , mr. colonel, let's start with our a conversation about the situation at the front. how do you now assess the situation that will develop in the east of the south of ukraine? the main thing is that what we said there has not changed in principle, even in the mountains

. the yanks direction is trying to conduct a defense there, our fighters are holding on heroically, i think everyone knows this phrase already and you understand it like that and it is er there if we take it further south to er, well, let's say so, the kukravskyi estuary is now the most active points where the enemy has assembled an e-e strike group and is trying to break through to have such e-e success for itself, and in principle, in order to force us to maneuver the troops, it is possible to pull out some units from under the tree in the direction where we are trying to active units e-e as for bakhmut the situation there is equal, yes, the enemy controls bakhmut to the north , in the north of bakhmut there, in principle, there are no changes to the south, there are also especially no changes, but there, according to