[000:00:00;00] protoror of the civilian population, which is continued by the russian federation, then we will talk with mykhailo podoliak, the adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine, we are in direct contact , mr. mykhailo, we welcome you, congratulations, well, let 's first react to the third for today since summer, and we see that during the last place probably quite often such situations occur when 3-4 several times a day , probably with the aim of psychologically influencing ukrainians . this is how migs fly in and the air alarm signal sounds over the entire territory ukraine, what do you say about this and about the shelling of zaporizhzhia? well, in principle, the motivation of russia

is completely clear. during the entire time of the wars that we will still have ahead of us, russia definitely wants you and i to fall into such a depression, let's say, and accordingly react as harshly as possible to, well, i mean as harshly as possible, to the proposal to end this war in a fair ending, the second component is definitely impunity, they understand that there will be no punishment, look at the world with, again, they will continue to talk about whether it is possible to agree on something with russia , to establish some kind of political and diplomatic settlement there, and so on and so on, and russia taking advantage of this moment, he hates us and continues to just kill absolutely concretely understanding that there will be no answer for this at least if russia does not lose this. by the way, this is a very important moment and i understand that he can kill exactly as much as there is time for it as long as it loses the war, this is the second factor, and the third is from the point of view of the introduction of the war, practically they cannot

show anything significant today on the previous edge on the front line, and of course they use exactly the cruise missile attack because we do not have parity weapons, well, that is we cannot simultaneously deliver exactly the same strikes with cruise missiles on the territory of russia. well, first of all, we do not do this because, within the framework of international law, we are fighting on our territory, completely destroying all russian a secondly, you and i really do not have such missiles that will fly there with a range of one and a half two to three thousand kilometers and definitely using this non-parity type of weapon that is only available in the russian federation and using the moment that we have not yet completely closed the sky by the way, today there is absolutely fantastic news from germany, which is taking an increasingly active position and is increasingly modeling aid processes in ukraine regarding the transfer to us of two more petros, who are just imprisoned for the destruction of these daggers of supersonic missiles, so

thus, russia is taking advantage of the moment that it has non-parity weapons and the horse of this weapon . there are no more assets of military assets in russia, therefore, they will definitely raise the 31st copper, definitely they will do it as often as possible, definitely they will use the remnants of the remaining volumes and missiles, because today they use more supersonic and ballistic missiles than, for example, cruise missiles, and they will definitely wait until they lose this war so that they will be responsible for all this later, mr. mykhailo let's pay attention to the map of air alarms, because there were strikes about this, and the air force wrote in its telegram channel that it is obvious that in those regions where there is danger, especially if these are regions further from the front line or from the border with the russian federation, there will also be strikes in the near future, precisely in the zaporizhzhia region repulse but at the same time, we see that in zaporizhzhia there was a shelling that killed three people and that rockets are currently being installed with which the russians

terrorized the local population, he wrote about it in a telegram, the head of the president's office, andriy yarmak, previously this is iskander podolyak and our viewers, we can find out from our colleague, the correspondent eva mironova, who is at the place where eva was hit. we congratulate you, please tell us everything that is known just now, as of this moment. congratulations colleagues, yes, about an hour ago a rocket flew over one of the sleeping areas of the city, as stated in the military administration from the e-e , the occupants were hit by high-precision weapons, indeed , the type of these weapons is currently being established , all services are in place the police are on the spot, security guards are working, we can see that

the windows of the shopping stalls are broken, there is a shopping center nearby. there is no glass there either, and there is a funnel in the yard of the church. we will get to it. and now the number of wounded is being determined, uh, ambulances are also working on the spot, we are monitoring the events and will keep you informed, at the moment i have all my colleagues, we are staying here and i will pass on the word to the studio, maybe tell me if do people remain under the rubble and is it possible to provide psychological assistance to the residents of the house, to the relatives of the residents of the houses, what is happening around the place of impact and there are no rubble here because there is such a probability . we have not yet seen this sinkhole, but it did not hit the church itself, but the church yard and yes, there were people there who died, died and

suffered, and were injured, so many people really gathered who were shocked by these events and are also working with psychologists who provide real psychological help and help those who i received a psychological injury and the doctors are taking the wounded people away from the scene of the events. of course, thank you for the information. thank you for working in such really difficult conditions . it was our colleague eva myronova from zaporizhzhia who talked about the consequences of the shelling . in the language of mr. mykhailo, and the head of the office, andriy yarmak. and our correspondent just said that high-precision weapons were most likely used. and why is russia terrorizing ukrainians with high-precision weapons?

weapons well, what they have, they use, of course, not so much . by the way, russia's resources are also gradually going out of use, it does not have an infinite number of missiles of various types. and what it does have , it is clear that it uses certain types of missiles today. it does not produce as many as the russians wanted. but everything is fine. she manufactures. you know this is not a question . i want you and i to have no illusions. russia does not decide to attack with cruise missiles. well, in this case, it is rather ballistic missiles or there are supersonic missiles. we will see the specifics. class of missiles, but in the meantime, using these missiles, they have not set themselves any military goals for a long time in this war for the russians, there is no military goal except one, to destroy statehood, this can be said to be the only military goal, and therefore, along the way, they once again emphasize that they simply kill people well, it's just not that they kill, but they just attack the civilian infrastructure, you know, there are two motives , the first is that they have the opportunity to attack , kill and so on, because they hate it, there are no

practical motivations here rational motivations, russia is an irrational state and it is obvious today. and by the way, it is in a state of affect and definitely makes appropriate decisions. well, you understand that when a person is a serial killer, well, at least he is in a state of affect, he just kills there. although he is not a serial killer, he after all, he is a rational person, he plans crimes there and so on and so on. russia is such a meat country, yes, a butcher who simply has the ability to kill using tools and the second component, well, definitely, definitely they are in an irrational assessment of what is happening in the world and want to show the world what to look at or you will still stop ukraine so that they do not resist and there and then we will not attack and kill like this. well, there is no motivation anymore, that is they don't expect that you and i will make appropriate decisions, like let 's agree on something with russia. no, they understand that ukraine will not make such decisions there

without, in relation to everything, blackmail, this is a continuation of blackmail, and blackmail, what do they do they want blackmail of the world or blackmail of ukraine blackmail of ukraine blackmail of ukraine cannot be because this is directly a war in this war someone has to lose either russia or ukraine well, we understand that if ukraine loses in one way or another yes, for example, minsk signed the trism mean that the statehood of ukraine will disappear there in three years after 5 years there will be a huge pile of terrorist attacks and political disturbances well, all that is needed yes, and the war and the demarcation zone are not over, well, the demarcation line and permanent provocations along the line of demarcation and the loss of support from our partners and all together and the departure of people, well, in any case, russia wants to get it, look, this is not blackmail, it is a specific war to destroy the state because russia understands today, she started this war thinking that she could quickly manage this war

today it understands that it cannot and therefore the main thing for russia is not to lose what is for russia today not to lose is to stay where they are on this line of occupied territories where they are second in relation to blackmail of the western elites, well, of course, but this is not blackmail, this is an attempt to psychologically pressure the western world to start pressuring us, well, look, the counteroffensive is somehow going slowly for you , uh, let's say you can't advance quickly , russia is still killing you, it's terrible for us to look at it let's think about other ways to stop the war, and look, let's remember this thought and put three dots, because right now, in fact, there is an urgent, urgent inclusion, e from zaporizhzhia, the head of the zaporizhzhia regional military administration is it is extremely important to hear what is happening directly at the scene yuriy malashko is with us on a direct line p yuriy , we congratulate you please tell us about everything that is happening in these minutes at the site of the impact and the latest data

about today's shelling of zaporizhzhia to vitau the enemy has struck us 7:42 p.m. just along the residential quarter of the city of zaporizhzhia. currently, we have three people who have already died, and there are also wounded . these are seven people who are currently being transported to the hospital . someone is asking you, is there really people there , are they giving any signals, there is no information, the emergency department reports that there are no signals , no people, but the alarm was in the zaporizhzhia region, did it somehow affect the analysis of the rubble or the provision of assistance , i apologize once again, the alarm ended in zaporizhzhia of the region literally eight minutes ago , did it in any way affect the provision of assistance to the victims and the analysis of the debris

, so far no one has been affected, as if they are in the hospital, as i have already answered a regarding the analysis they made the rubble, secured our work as much as possible so that they did not fall under a repeat of pokrovsky's attack, and maybe you can briefly tell us about the condition of the victims who are currently in the hospital , in our hospitals , three men are in a serious condition, of medium severity, the rest are four men and a man of the dead unfortunately, we cannot speak about the dead and injured. can these be middle-aged people? i can state this for sure. it was uh, there were two women and a man who were given resuscitation on the spot, but he did not survive. the internal affairs of the country reported that the windows of the neighboring

houses near the place of the hit were broken . what is the situation of the residents of these houses, what are you planning to do? is there any place planned for these people to live in the meantime? indeed, this is a nine-story building , the windows have been blown out, now information is being gathered promptly about closing these windows , er, the materials are chipboard , fiberboard , etc. information about the post not only of the victims, but also of the destruction, it is clear, yuriy, thank you for including the operational information, let's hope that the number of victims will not increase. the number of victims . did not

report anything to the zaporizhzhia region , an air alert signal really sounded, we can see it on the map, and the air forces of the armed forces also report that the activity of enemy tactics aviation in the south-eastern direction, the threat of the use of aviation weapons, yes , and one more topic that we want to raise on our broadcast with our guest , i will remind you that this is mykhailo podolyak, and this is the topic of corruption. on july 5, law enforcement officers detained mp lyudmila marchenko for trying to arrange permission to travel abroad in exchange for $5,300. when marchenko was searched, she tried to throw the money over the fence of her own house on august 9 security forces searched ex -deputy volodymyr makeyenko, he is accused of legalizing proceeds of crime in the amount of more than half a billion hryvnias , in addition to illicit enrichment by parliamentarians, they also criminalize fraud

related to obtaining documents for traveling abroad. this is exactly what deputy yuriy aristov did during his foreign trip according to the version of the law enforcement officers , he opened a hospital without grounds, but instead of treatment he went on vacation to the maldives. this week , it became known about the suspicion of deputy oleksandr dubinsky, he is accused of forging official documents for a foreign trip, and today the prosecutor general's office reported receiving suspicions against former deputy ruslan demchak. he is accused of manipulating the stock exchange in order to introduce into legal circulation money of unknown origin in particularly large amounts. to work efficiently for the state, especially during the war - this is the only task of deputies and officials to work for their own well-being , especially breaking the laws is unacceptable , the president emphasized in his next address

volodymyr zelenskyi of ukraine, every day at the front and in the rear, every such day with results brings our victory closer, if today is the day with law enforcement results for ukraine, for cleaning ukraine. of ukraine, etc., there will not be those who work for their own pockets and not for the sake of ukraine, each such deal will cost at least 500, and we remind you that mykhailo podolyak, adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine, remains with us on of communication, mr. mykhailo, there are so many scandals related to bribery and abuse of power, what is it related to , why are these scandals happening right now, mrs. shulyak said that this is also the action of the abolition of parliamentary immunity, and plus , anti-corruption bodies are starting to work actively, why

right now . these are slightly deeper processes . olena is absolutely right about the specific assessment of the deputies, but these are much deeper processes. by internal forces, well, that is, it cannot be adequate externally, that is, it is supported by partners, it fights and pays a certain price for it, and on the other hand, internally, it does not change in 32 years , an absolutely concrete gray economy was built , yes, that is, an economy in which there were many regulatory bodies a lot of administrative powers, a lot of people who earned money from it for performing their administrative functions and corruption no no no society treated it tolerantly and vice versa the very people who held certain positions, they entered already having an internal opinion in ourselves that we enter the world to receive some kind of monetization of our services and today, no matter how such

a situation develops, on the one hand, the state cannot exist when its internal state is being eaten by its schmauders, it is not effective, it does not perform the functions that must be performed with taking into account the deficits that were evident during the war, on the other hand, the nerve of society today is literally exposed, and the president is talking about this, it is impossible at the same time to demand from society that it give everything it can for the sake of victory and in that at the same time, there is a caste that feels as if war does not exist and vice versa. they get the opportunity to earn much more. i say the word earn with irony , yes, well, that is, to receive corruption income, which is much more than even in peacetime. well, this is impossible and it completely destroys then the meaning and existence of the state and the meaning of the existence of a synchronous position between society and the state, that is, there is no unity as such , society pays the general price, and

the state itself pays the minimum price for what is happening in the state today, and therefore of course, all this was accumulated. let's say it's emotional and it needs a reaction from the state, and this is the key for me . look, i'm completely calm about this, it's right . what is being done, it's not scandals, it's the construction of a new institution called the state, in which the state must react absolutely harshly absolutely like what you are saying now . dozens of manifestations both in relation to deputies and in relation to other officials at various levels, not only at the level of the verkhovna rada, by the way, but also at the level of local authorities at the level of other institutions states, and if the state reacts harshly to this regardless of status, political affiliation, position, and so on, then the state framework will look different, and then trust in state institutions will be different and the institutions themselves will be different, let's say effective and less

inert and so on, so it seems to me that this is an absolutely correct and timely process and we will either build institutions that correspond to society and in this way we will bring this war to a just end in solidarity or in principle, the state must go through a new revolutionary transformation again, why a revolutionary transformation during the war, if it is possible to do it all in an evolutionary way. and the president is talking about it, the transformation is objective today and it will continue as hard as possible in a revolutionary way. it is usually faster, but certainly not in in our case, yes, given that our country is in a state of full-scale war with the aggressor, but in your opinion, mr. mykhailo, how can we then bring to consciousness those who have not yet understood that we should not engage in such things as we but we see it either in the higher echelons of power or in the localities, as

it is with the tcc, you know. i really like the illusion and i really like when psychologically they say that you can show people some examples and they will behave somehow differently, but these are adults in them the formed stereotype of behavior and all adult people have one very interesting feature , it seems to them that they are so cunning that they will definitely not make a mistake. minimum, but in addition to condemnation, you should not go and give bribes, that is, society has something to change , because these people who hold positions and who , accordingly, sit in these positions for 20 years, if you are talking about military commissions for 20-25 years , they are not from where they have relatives, they grew up here, they studied here, and there is a political or, let's say , political elite of the country and so on. this means that society is that and society must

change and there must be an institution of reputation and , accordingly, there must be a negative attitude towards people who can monetize their administrative functions. this is the first component. the second component is absolutely clearly necessary for law enforcement agencies, or in general justice agencies, i would say this: the judicial system , the prosecutor, the prosecutorial system, the investigative system , so that they really bring it to an end so that there is no such thing as it is all there for a year two three stretches, then the person gets out without punishment as such, this is not possible. there must be fast enough investigative actions that lead to sufficiently open trials and specific punishments, that’s it absolutely concrete and it is necessary and the third component is much more complicated complicated it is necessary to rethink the functions of the state it is necessary to reduce the functions of the regulatory state remove the administrative capabilities of certain officials there you can look for different formats how to do it but in the meantime it cannot distribute

benefits it cannot provide an opportunity to people who do not correspond to their positions from a functional point of view, to distribute huge funds because they are immoral in their essence. and when they pass to certain positions, they are they simply monetize because they understand half a year from the courts or two-thirds of a year or a year or a half. after that, you keep packing so that you don't have any problems later, so that you always belong to the so-called elite because you have a certain standard of living and so on therefore, these are the three components. i think that we will rebuild the state in one way or another, this is a key element because you know, after the war, when you win such a war, such a huge historically important war, and then you cannot get an effective state, then the state makes sense. do you understand that these are two processes that have today to go in parallel and all that is needed for victory, and this, by the way, regarding the quality of public administration, this is also a question of our

external reputation, including our officials, let's talk about politics, and about responsibility, about justice, including, in particular, the participants at the international meeting in juda , saudi arabia, they formed a joint vision of president zelenskyi's peace formula. this was told by the head of the office of the president of ukraine andriy yarmak. for discussion by international partners, the concept of the peace formula. this is a set of solutions, the implementation of which will guarantee a real and sustainable end to the war. ukraine's proposal for the formula consists of 10 points : radiation, food and energy security , the release of all prisoners , the restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine , the withdrawal of russian troops, the return of justice , countering ecocide, preventing escalation, and finally recording the end of the war , zelensky offered the leading states

of the world to become co-creators of peace as one of the stages this kind of work has become presentations used at the level of security advisors. yes, mr. mr. podolyak, actually. if we talk about rezods , eh, these are the same, then in saudi arabia we would like to hear, we heard the official statements of the president of ukraine, and not only we would like to hear what they are talking about on the sidelines of the office the president and how the results of this summit are assessed among themselves in the end, on the sidelines, well , we evaluate them as objectively positive , because this is really, let's say, an important component of the process regarding the end of the war as such look, first of all, it is recorded that the single platform is recorded, you know, branded or let's say so that there are no different interpretations and so on, so that other countries do not come out with some of their own peace initiatives that have nothing to do with peace itself. how is that? yes, you remember

are you talking about all those initiatives, let's immediately stop the fire, let's sit down at the negotiating table and let the russians stay where they are today. this is not about peace, this is about the capitulation of ukraine, so it is fixed at the fundamental level, including among countries of the global level, which is extremely important. yes, they mainly came up with these strange initiatives that there is only one basic platform - this is the peace formula, and there is one key point that is extremely important after it, everything else . this is the withdrawal of russian troops. russia will not do this, it will not withdraw its troops , it is necessary here, again, it is today. as we have an evening without illusions, there is no need to have illusions. russia will not receive a significant defeat on the front line. not there will be no one to get out of there because that is not why they have already sent so many people there to die and so on, but in the meantime this point is fixed, that is, the basic platform once again emphasizes the peace formula, and

you can definitely go from this and talk about something and so on then the second component is fixed so that any consultation, and this is precisely the unrest. i would call it consultation itself, yes, well, that is, it is a consultation especially with the countries of the global rooster, and it is very important that there were practically all brics countries, india, brazil, south africa, and china and it is definitely very important that they also understand that without russia , without the presence of russia, a constructive dialogue is possible . specifically , the countries of the global south have come to jihad and are starting this dialogue, so definitely they are not ready to accept 100% of all our

proposals tomorrow, but this is a matter of negotiations processes is a question of dialogue as such, but it is important that subconsciously they understand that without russia it is much more constructive to have a conversation about what the world should look like after the war as such, but it is equally important that there is simply not so much time, and at the same time, they participated in this summit and china that, in principle, many international observers recognized their victory for ukraine, but on the other hand, in the statement of the ministry of foreign affairs, which according to the results of the meeting in juda, it is said that china will continue to strengthen the dialogue on the basis of its twelve-pound peace proposal as to combine them with the ukrainian peace formula. well, there are points that intersect absolutely clearly, and one of them that china insists on is the inviolability of the territory and sovereignty. this point is absolutely specific in the 12 proposals of china. and then the logistical question arises. and how to achieve the inviolability of the territory and sovereignty

i say again this issue of dialogue with china with the people's republic of china and you know this very well china is clearly changing its position because what they see today from russia russia is not a proper partner that fulfills agreements russia why therefore it is clear why they do not abandon their own plan that was presented because in certain things it still contradicts such as freezing the conflict well, you know the chinese that a global country like any other country that took the initiative cannot come and say look at what we proposed, we worked it out, we put it aside, no, it doesn’t work either, it ’s just the same and there is a constant dialogue, the very fact that we are ready to enter a dialogue without russia, citing brackets of the russian federation, this already says a lot about the fact that the situation in the world is changing, it is not a matter of one or two or three days or there, er, one or two consultations, it is a matter of complex negotiation processes at various levels, including at the level of

the heads of these or other states and it seems to me that china will gradually bring its positions closer to the ukrainian position . why because, apart from the ukrainian position, which is realistic, the most realistic, if we are talking about the end of the war, the other proposals are unrealistic, they do not lead to at the end of the war, they lead to a temporary ceasefire, and a temporary ceasefire from the point of view of the strategy of the same china is nonsense because you cannot plan for 10-15 years because at any moment you have a war again in a large region or again russia, which will be militarized, and russia will not invest more money in any technological developments except for the military, and russia will not invest any money except for propaganda in foreign markets and will try to dominate there, and in addition to forming terrorist groups, which should these or other regions excite, including the pacific region, there is no point in china investing in it, and certainly china wants to search , but the chinese always do it slowly, it