[000:00:00;00] players, the crimes will be repeated and we will bake it, young, beautiful and updated , by the way, we will talk about the children kidnapped by the russians tomorrow, and there is a lot of interesting information. for tomorrow and now i passed with you serhiy rudenko the verdict program literally in a moment we will watch together good evening we are from ukraine glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health today in the program the ukrainian formula of peace on the lips of the world, will international meetings and summits bring results, it is burning, burning and exploding, it was so hot again, although in moscow they say that they have repelled an attack

by drones, they are afraid of russia, why is the west slowing down the supply of long-range weapons and f-16 fighter jets to ukraine, the tension is growing what is happening on the borders of belarus with eu countries this night near moscow there was a fire in domoedov , where is the airport, there were explosions, the russians say about a gas cylinder, what

was actually there is still unknown for sure, but let's look at this cotton in domoedov's smartphone night strike by the occupiers with martyrs the occupiers attacked ukraine with martyrs ppu destroyed seven kamikaze drones szlachet 136 e-e next berdyansk genstadt reports that the armed forces of ukraine have success near the old major town and the harvest well and the united states of america has imposed sanctions against bellavia airlines of belarus and two more state-owned enterprises of belarus. biden ordered to limit american investment in china . we will talk about this and other things for the next hour before starting our conversation i suggest for those who are watching us now on youtube to take part in the survey today we are asking you about the following, under what conditions are ukraine's peace negotiations with russia possible, e-e the first option of the answer is impossible under any conditions, the second is under the condition of the withdrawal of russian troops of russian russian

troops of ukraine the third withdrawal of the troops of the russian federation plus the payment of reparations and the next option only under the condition of the complete capitulation of the russian federation, if you have your own version of the answer to this question , please write to us in the comments. interesting will know your opinion, we are waiting for the inclusion from our studio of the politician and diplomat of the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 e. pavla klimkin mr. pavla i congratulate you and i am glad that you joined our broadcast i congratulate you mr. serhiy i am always glad to be with you and your viewers and i am personally glad that the kyiv traffic jam made its way to you, where it is actually also a challenge, thank you, mr. pavla, today the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro

kuleba, said that we will never see zelenskyi and putin at the same table of negotiations in an interview with the career of delasser, koliba said that negotiations with russia are possible only through an intermediary and after the full withdrawal of the troops of the aggressor countries from our territory . it is about the complete withdrawal of troops from the territory of ukraine, it is possible that these negotiations are not negotiations, not about non-peaceful negotiations, but negotiations about the capitulation of russia well, first of all, i do not see these negotiations in any way so far, because i believe that there are neither political er nor emotional er prerequisites

for this we don't have, we don't have in ukrainian society, we don't have it in the west among our friends, and of course we can and will now speculate with you, of course, in a good way about it, but for today, once again, i emphasize i have not seen such prerequisites, secondly, you really don't i saw what kind of personal or personal negotiations there are with today’s russian regime and this applies not only to the zelenskyi putin format. in general, it is very difficult for me to imagine formal negotiations with russia, that is , ordinary, there may be some humanitarian ones the question of the exchange of captives, uh, the exchange of bodies, this is the dead, it can be questions about

grain, and this is actually a humanitarian issue , uh, but there may also be questions about uh, the termination is important. but if such conversations arise, will they be formal negotiations, or will they be some kind of broadcasting concerts , it is also very difficult for me to imagine that, uh, they happened somehow on two directly, some of our friends think that it is political, but then the question arises that we should be at one on the side with our friends, i didn’t see it otherwise, but again, uh, i’m emphasizing some real houses today in order to

start thinking about the agenda of the channel issue , about the format of such negotiations, but actually how we will conduct them, i don’t see them. well, anyway you will agree that the formula for the defeat of russia sounds better than the formula for peace because , well, in any case, peace in ukraine is the defeat of russia . not a vision of strategic defeat this vision is different for russia and our victory, but even for our allies. they also want a strategic defeat of russia , but they see it in order, firstly, and very consistently

investigate the logic of the strategy of a thousand trains, and secondly, we see this military defeat, they see it as complex and here er, there are differences and there are differences in time in what tactics to use. thus, defeat is yes. in fact, i see that even now some of the non-western countries do not know the prospect of existing on the same planet as putin's regime, but as the west, yes, no. west, they want a controlled defeat of russia, which creates a lot of challenges for us, which you and i have already talked about at the same time. you have already said that our allies do not

allow russia to win this war. but are our allies ready to accept defeat in russia and you already said that they still don't know what kind of defeat it will be, but how peaceful the peace talks that took place in saudi arabia are, according to you, they give a vision of the representatives of 40 countries of the world of the world's largest and most influential countries, including saudi arabia, china and other countries that also see the formula for defeat , in what way should they formulate what what will really be a defeat for russia, what will the world consider a defeat for russia, and what if kuleba says that zelensky never will not sit down at the negotiating table with putin, will the representatives of other countries

who are not in contact with him not sit down at the negotiating table with putin? unfortunately, there is no common vision of such a defeat among 40 countries, there are many visions, but even among the countries of the west, there are certain differences, afghans are insignificant, not critical, but nevertheless they are. and if we talk about non-western countries, and we saw china there, we saw india there, we saw egypt, we saw steam, we saw brazil, well, we agree with you have recently heard about a lot of different plans or what pretends to be plans, the indian ones saw the african ones, the brazilian ones saw, well, china did not put forward any formal plans, but nevertheless , uh, it made public a set of principles, and china

understands it on its own, read italy says about commitment to sovereignty and territorial integrity. and when it comes to the withdrawal of russian troops from our territory, china did not vote for such a resolution of oniv . of course, there are many nuances, since all the countries that were in jinda, both western and non -western, declare the principle of territorial integrity and this of course, it is an important but significant country of non-western countries, she says, well, we have declared the principle, but how to implement it, what tactics, that is another

story. a large part of the loan countries do not enter, they would very much like us to come to some kind of quasi-compromise, wherever we stop, and there they certainly do not want a russian victory, and i think that even no one russia previously considered as its allies definitely does not want this victory, china definitely does not want a victory russia, china needs a weakened russia. nevertheless, china is not ready to give up on russia today, and since this russia and this regime are tools in the hands of china to confront, first of all , the united states and the entire west

non-western countries have their own system of interests, these interests are very different from their own visions, and lately i have been trying a lot in the sense of understanding the position and influence, if it is possible to communicate with representatives of non-western countries, and i want to tell you that this is an extremely difficult process extremely difficult and because of the fact that they have sympathy for russia and the fact that they have a certain allergy to the west , they see us in the future as western ukraine well, that's great but nevertheless they do not perceive the west like kyiv in many countries also have anti-americanism, which is rather progressive. therefore, this is not a very simple logic and some common denominator , because in my opinion, the main result - gd - is

the direct creation of this format, it is an opportunity to bring together the west and the non-west on one site, this is an opportunity look among both western countries and non-western countries at who is there who er. in other words, all the most important players or almost all the more important players were there . well, of course, you can continue. but that at least in non-western countries, 100% will be tempted to use this format to

discuss various compromise options in politics. the task is not only in this format, but also global in fact. these are the conclusions we can make so far , the meetings in saudi arabia, participation in the negotiations, brave representative of china, you already mentioned the interests of china, how they they are trying to support the russian economy precisely to support the russian economy but also to secure their interests, there are statistics for this uh year for january to july and the trade between russia and china is of course 36 1/2%, and as reported uh in the main administration of the customs administration of the people's republic of china exports from china to russia increased by 73%, imports of russian goods and services increased by 15%

, and according to the results of the year, trade turnover between russia and china reached a record 190 billion dollars by 29%, and experts expect that this year the figure will be even higher, that is, china simply does not is letting die the russian economy, against which the whole world is imposing sanctions, that is, china was and remains an ally, as you said, or shall we say, an accomplice of russia, because we saw the escalation near the shores of the american coast when russian and chinese ships advanced there and yet the chinese in this the peace formula that we hope will still be squeezed and twisted, including in favor of the russian federation, is it true , of course, and we have to say it honestly for the sake of

justice, i will say that not only china will support russia, the russian regime is the russian economy, there are also many other countries, how much does india buy there, refine it, and then, uh, all these products are real, they find their demand in western countries . look at the gulf countries. look at the emirates. how much russian money is there and how much goes there? look at the countries of central asia, in the end at turkey, and only recently have they really started to reduce this flow. that is why there are a significant number of countries that profit from this situation

. in the west, they understand this. b fight harder against the circumvention of sanctions. that is, a lot is being done there, and i don't want to point fingers and start blaming someone, but clearly, in my opinion, the west should have done more during all this time in terms of cutting off the paths of e-e circumvention of sanctions. and as for china e- of course, the chinese participation in jidi is a very positive story . however, today's china needs russia and needs this regime. china does not need destabilization for now. china, which is annoyed by the russian style, understands very well that

china does not need to identify itself with today's russian regime, but for now china will use this russia, it needs not only resources, it needs the security potential, which you said , after all, china interacts with russia on the african continent, that russian actions in many african countries, the presence of which also affects others of private military companies , uh, they work one way or another, it all works and, unfortunately, is quite effective , that's why i emphasize so far, because uh , such a change is slow and even very slow attitude towards russia is happening, but so far i don’t see that china has reassessed and reconsidered its strategic interests that the use of russia is definitely in the place of the russian years

thank god i am in their place but in their place i would think about the fact that china is gradually begins to capture all key areas of life and all key markets and soon russians will see what is around them chinese goods chinese cars chinese household appliances real deposits in russian banks chinese yuan and i did not understand at all whether russia is a sphere chinese interests, and not some kind of classical independent ukraine, as we once were in relation to russia, and such thoughts . as far as i understand, they are already beginning in russia, it is not yet some kind of mainstream, but nevertheless they are beginning, so china will very consistently and

strictly continue the strategy of increasing of russian dependence on it, and the next phase will be the acquisition of e-e shares in russian businesses and russian infrastructure projects, including in the arctic, including in itself in regions strategically important for china. on august 9, the president of the united states america's joe biden signed a decree to limit american investments in certain technologies and products in countries that cause concern, there is only one such country now - it's china and uh, americans want limited investments in technologies that america considers critical for its national security, these are semiconductors , conductors microelectronics, quantum information technologies, artificial intelligence, what does it mean, washington, where is it to understand what

could be worse for the paks, this is actually a key question, in my opinion, american of chinese relations. i believe that they can and most likely will settle and equip the issue of e-e trade relations will be much more difficult, of course, with security, we are the issues and now it is called a very significant challenge that will be possibly a starting point and possibly a point of no return in chinese -american relations - this the presidential elections in taiwan in january next year will be held according to a different model. as a rule, these were elections where representatives of two key parties competed. now three candidates is the third

relatively new party of the former mega taipei and so far, china is playing its own game and wants to ensure its direct e-e, more precisely, indirectly, of course, so far participation and influence in the political processes in taiwan, but the americans e-e perfectly understand that the main fundamental issue of the xxi century is technological leadership and the technologies you named and these are primarily quantum computers, artificial intelligence, they will determine who will be the leader of the 21st century, and the fact that technological exchange will be limited in the states has been talked about for a long time, china

is catching up with the united states, not at all quickly, but it is catching up and the americans have limited it, it will cause a wave now, even a tsunami, and the people in beijing, even in beijing , of course knew about this step and foresaw it , and of course this context will also affect the functioning and work of such formats as as i jeda well let's call him for now jeda after the city where it was last held the last time ago these are all american steps they also affect possible conversations around us around ukraine and it is absolutely clear that we are vacant and without

chinese to make the final solitaire which i had to uh, most likely, or it won't be possible, it will be extremely difficult, that 's why american-chinese relations affect uh, and they affect us directly , and how do mr. pavel's relations affect us in the context of what i already mentioned about joint russian-chinese training when er almost a dozen warships from two countries sailed up to alaska to the but the islands of man and that prompted united states officials there to er deploy four naval destroyers that is er china after all does he want some kind of partnership with the united states of america, taking into account the trade between the two countries, or does he still want to show more strength in this together

with russia? what is this connected with? in alaska, the chinese want a world system and security, and of course financial and technological , wherever they dominate, they understand perfectly well that this is impossible, but nevertheless, the dept. their basic interest and their strategy would be directly taken into account. that is, their logic nothing serious in this world without china and taking into account the direct interests of china where it is important for the chinese, so far the western logic is winning, but as you can see , under pressure, this world is becoming comprehensively western and the west, in my opinion, you need to review your

strategy and this is happening in many spheres, you see how the western strategy towards australia is now being revised, where, in my opinion , the french have made many fundamentally incorrect conclusions regarding er chinese involvement regarding russian involvement regarding how they will do it in the wrong sense strategy, and in the sense of tactics, of course, the chinese will continue to work with this russia, as i said, not because they like inter russia, but because they still need it, and at least in the long term, china needs a weakened russia , china needs a russia that depends on china but nevertheless, china needs russia and in the near future this strategy is unlikely to change

, at least i do not see a sign and for its media , friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our platforms on our youtube and facebook platforms for those who now watch us on youtube, please vote in our survey, today we ask you about the following : under what conditions are ukraine's peace negotiations with russia possible ? capitulation of the russian federation four options for answers you can write your answer in the comments under this video we will be interested to know your opinion about what you think about this if your answer option is not coincides with the proposed we continue our conversation with pavel klimkin and today it became known that ukraine will receive new

patriot anti-aircraft missile complexes from germany there are additional installations of the patriot to the life of the club , the head of you, to protect our people, it is necessary from the russian boilermaker to our entire territory, we need much more vpu systems than there are now, we are transforming corruption step by step it is much more on the specific capabilities of our air forces, our anti-aircraft fighters, our mobile fire brigades, we are preparing more specifics regarding modern fighters for our soldiers, there is no doubt that we will have f16 this week, mr. pavla, one of the people

's deputies, yehor junev, wrote about the fact that the german bundestag has almost already decided to provide ukraine has taurus long-range missiles , but for now it is delaying this, i understand , waiting for the decision of the united states of america to provide such long-range missiles, why according to you, it is still enough is cautious about providing these long-range weapons that fly at 300,500 km, they are afraid that the ukrainians will use them on the territory of the russian federation, or because then the final counteroffensive that has begun will be completely clear. well, let's talk about the west, as they say and the west . we get from the british