[000:00:00;00] yes, they reacted adequately, every time they talk about an adequate and timely response , they always continue this thesis that we will now obtain nuclear weapons and deter nato, because nuclear weapons are a weapon of deterrence, not an attack, and an attack on us will be an attack. this is the thesis about nuclear weapons as a possible tool in the current war, which was started on february 24, 22, the great war that putin started this year, they constantly pump up this topic, even though the same minister, forgive me , the same president of poland, duda gave an interview to the newspaper

washington post and said that russia will not succeed in using nuclear weapons, and not only because putin does not want them. i believe that the nuclear arsenal in russia is under the collective control of many people and it depends on uh and it depends on uh , not on the sole discretion of putin. therefore, the decision is not made by one person. do you agree with anjim duda? all maneuvers are based on this principle all these statements have nothing to do with what they can do or the russian soul, it is unpredictable and putin's actions too. because no one knows exactly what to expect from him. i wouldn't stutter, i've already heard a lot from our western friends.

putin will do something, he won't do it, and i always told them that putin must be ready to raise the stakes. he is deliberately preparing for this , just as he said after the georgian war . just as i told them after the 14th year, i believe putin also has the meaning of the mission in his head he does not see his mission as a monument to putin on putin boulevard, where some future russian pioneers or whatever they will be called read putin's agreement, he really sees himself as the savior of some mythical separate russian civilization and today's russia, so when will he feel that this civilization is conditional cannot be saved in quotes. i believe that he will agree to almost everything and i

would be careful about statements that putin will never use anything. i also believe that the probability of this is quite small, but it is not is zero, just like non-western countries. by the way, china and india are telling putin that even the rhetoric about nuclear weapons is inappropriate. but putin didn't care about that, he once said everything to the chinese leaders and then in 4 days he made a decision, at least announced that he accepted of course, earlier the decision on the transfer of tactical nuclear weapons in belarus, well, according to what threat in, and the question is very simple, and putin and the russian elites believe that they are actually fighting the actions of

the united states on our territory, this their logic they will never back down, and i believe that even under the estimates that the situation with nuclear weapons is quite unlikely, we still have to count on all possible options and only because of the readiness for any options are we strong we are stable, we are stable and we are ready for any development of the situation, readiness for whatever, hahaha, whatever comes from the territory of russia makes us stronger this is my thesis. why do you think the west does not accept putin? adolf hitler , because i studied two, er, two speeches, one the speech was given by adolf hitler on september 1, 1939, when he performed at the royal opera and

starting the second war, he said almost the same thing that putin said on february 24, 22 , that is, about the oppression of the germans in poland , according to putin said about the oppression of the residents of the so-called lpr and dpr, then he complained about the fact that the poles do not want to negotiate with the germans, uh, putin also had ukrainians who do not want to negotiate about peace in donbas , then he promised hitler promised to hit only military objects putin also promised carry out hyphen denazification, they say we will bomb only military objects, well, that is, there are some absolutely obvious things, historical parallels that indicate that putin is the latest hitler, and if , even through such an analysis of e.e. speeches and

behavior, they can be placed side by side why does the world not understand that putin will lead to what hitler called not only the situation in ukraine but also in the whole world, there are several reasons , but the first two are the most important, and if putin is recognized as the new hitler, then the ego must be defeated, no matter what it costs, it is ours position, but not the position of the west. as you can see, the west wants to win, controlled, secondly, without crossing pain thresholds due to sanctions due to possible pressure on western societies. putin despises the west, the west knows this, but sometimes still tries to deceive itself . putin believes that he will outlast the west and the west here it is necessary to show that in fact this is a key

issue or putin's measure or putin's measure the second is related to the fact that if you recognize putin as hitler, how will you win since putin has nuclear weapons and women who all these months of the war, he demonstrates the ability to survive , that he continues his propaganda, that this propaganda is effective enough and in the end, that the upper west understood a very simple thing that it is not only about putin, but we say that we recognize putin as hitler, and russia antin must be recognized who are happy to watch the murders and kill themselves, who have no empathy, who, as they heard

on the phone, say let's kill more, this is actually not a problem of putin alone, it is a problem of today's russia as people who today's russia is fixed on a completely different system of values ​​- these are not european values, not high prices, and therefore if the west admits that putin is the new hitler , this is a completely different strategy - this is a strategy of victory, no matter what it costs, and the west is still so far the strategy is not ready well , in any case , the west will have to come to the strategy of putinization so unconditionally, but the west sees this strategy as

gradually controlled and such that it does not threaten the very existence of the west, that is, such a vision of victory and the vision of the way to this victory, despite the fact that we are allies, measures and will be in the perspective of ours, respectively, differ from, we have to speak about it again honestly thank you, mr. pavlo, for an honest conversation and thank you , thank you, mr. serhiu, everything will be okay ukraine , see you in the next broadcast it was pavlo klimkin, diplomat, politician, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019. for friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel , as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms for those who are currently watching us on on youtube, we are conducting a poll, i will repeat under what conditions peace negotiations between ukraine and russia were possible. so, the options for answers are: under no conditions , the withdrawal of russian troops from ukraine

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espresso today, in our military program, we will talk about how ukraine seeks to increase the production of attack and reconnaissance drones, because now we have entered the format of it and exhaustion, where the ability to quickly respond to the needs of the front in certain types of weaponry is of crucial importance from the point of view and the course of hostilities and the impact on the terms of the war as such, military volunteers say that drones on the battlefield are needed an order of magnitude more, our government structures say that they are doing everything they can to do this, in particular there a decision was made to allocate forty billion hryvnias for the purchase of drones, restrictions related to the purchase of components of foreign production were lifted, the profit margin was raised to 25% and so on, but does it really work in practice or does it really affect the increase in the production of unmanned complexes, we will talk about it

to speak with our guests in our wine program we will have representatives of defense companies and the ministry of defense of ukraine my name is serhii zgorytskyi, director of an information consulting company defense express, which together with the espresso channel aims to highlight the most relevant trends in the field of security and defense, and now the first guest is arriving - this is artem vyunik, director of the scientific production enterprise athlon avia, mr. artemy. welcome to the espresso channel, it's nice to see and hear. greetings serhiy and i will tell our viewers that your company is actually the most stable enterprise, as far as i can tell, for at least 10 years it has been engaged in the production of unmanned systems, and i don't know if you saw it yesterday

on the facebook page of the eastern command page, the 53rd separate mechanized brigade wrote that the fury complex is very helpful in destroying the enemy, it works at a depth of 50 km. they write that there should be more such complexes, and i would like to start a conversation from what has changed in the life of your company for a month, for a year and its seven months of almost combat operations , what has changed in approaches, scales, in vision , let's start with such general things. well, unfortunately , i haven't seen the material you are talking about , sergey, because, to be honest, we are now are so busy with work that it is often even difficult for us to track such reviews, but we are very pleased that the users of our complexes use them effectively and this helps us

to achieve the victory that is so desired and that almost every resident of our ukraine wants indeed, these 7 months have had a significant impact on the vision and organization of our work, and have added, let's say, certain challenges to our company, as well as to all other manufacturers of unmanned systems, which effectively also work in our industry of course this caused certain changes in my technical part of the complex and in the organization of production and in our vision let's put it this way today in the future we are implementing new er ways of organizing ourselves er we are looking for innovative solutions er we are looking for technologies a lot

we invest in the development of new solutions and, in principle, the growth of the e-e company scale , of course, it requires certain changes in the e-e approaches to the organization in order to respond to the challenges that exist today and also not to forget about the trends that we currently have on the battlefield and er, respond to these trends with solutions that will be effective. well, then let's talk in more detail about our reality. your company has increased in scale. you have recruited a significant number of people. you have purchased equipment . capabilities that your company currently has. well, let's say that today we are working and fulfilling large contracts for the ministry of defense . we are working on new products. as you

know, we are already at the final stage of the project it is a lightning-friendly munition that should become the high-precision high-precision model that will actually provide a radical increase in the efficiency of our armed forces . but at the same time, for some reason, we are again stepping on the same rake we have today . it is already the beginning of august. but we absolutely do not understand what the company will do in january of next year, when we will deliver the last batch of products under the current contract. the contract is simple, and actually, there is such a delay, considering the logistics that exist today, which developed after the closure

of the airspace, the disruption of certain connections . and procrastination with the issue of concluding a contract for today, well, in fact, it will mean uh-uh in literally another month, and a failure in deliveries at the beginning of the 24th year, in fact, deliveries of finished products of those complexes that you said about on the very which are working so effectively today, but i really hope that the work that is being done with the ministry of defense and , as of today, with the ministry of digital transformation, which have certain budgets , will still lead to the conclusion of a contract at least in august of this year and the company will not stop waiting for components in january or february next. well, that is, as i understand the problems with the ministry of defense

, what about the changes in the numbers regarding the conclusion of the contract, they are similar despite the desire of both to the ministries to purchase your products, none of them has yet concluded a contract that allows you to ensure prepayment and the purchase of components that will speed up the production of your complexes for the armed forces, well , that's exactly how it is today, the situation is really like this, but we are doing the work, we hope that we will really do everything possible and we and our own the state will make it possible for us not to stop, but to continue to supply as effectively as possible without interruption, to supply our complexes to the armed forces, and when we talk about increasing the volume of production and try to see all the problems there are the directions to be divided according to priority there planned procedures as we said there financing industry capacity of the enterprise personnel potential of the enterprise these are the four categories how would you

rate them according to priorities now what is the biggest obstacle for you to start increasing the scaling of production well, first of all, we must say that we scaled production is very important it is more than 10 times i it is difficult for me to say the exact number now because it will be a little difficult without having the production of complexes or 10 and the staff has recruited at most 10 times no no, actually, the efficiency of production has increased significantly, there is also a several-fold increase in the number of personnel, but much more than the increase in the number of products we produce due to the systematization and unification of some processes and the expansion of the capacities of each division is in the company, but for today it still remains a key issue - it is confidence for tomorrow because

it is impossible to expand production when you do not understand how you will load this capacity tomorrow due to the actual absence the contract for today is already creating a certain tension in our company because we do not understand what, for example, 150 people will be doing in january of next year if we still do not have a contract or it will be concluded, for example, at the end of the year as i hear about it that the budgetary appointments may appear later and only after that the work on concluding the contract will begin later. this is october or november, and taking into account all the procedural points , the contract can be concluded, for example, in december , but under such conditions, do you continue deliveries is complexes, only somewhere not earlier let's say april or may

of next year, that is, there will simply be no deliveries for several months . reduction of supplies to the armed forces, despite the fact that the need is calculated, it is great, it is er and we are ready to satisfy it as efficiently as possible, but the next in such er, after confidence in tomorrow, there is also a certain problem with communication, but it is more already applies to er, it applies more to already promising developments and the search for some innovative solutions because er, in any case, the er manufacturer cannot and should not invent some er technical solutions without understanding the er problems or let's say

yes, the ideas of the military regarding their application on the battlefield and as for this issue, well, i have already said it more than once , i have said it on e-e forums and on and live broadcast that we should build some very powerful system of constant communication of such a partnership work with by the armed forces, of course, taking into account all the issues of secrecy and so on, but still, the daily work must somehow be implemented, and then the manufacturers , understanding the needs and understanding some problems , will be able to offer interesting solutions that are possible . let's say this, even the military could not imagine well, that is, in fact, we are talking about the fact that when you develop a shock kit with thunder so as not to invent a bicycle, you must clearly know which optimal missions are needed for this complex and make a countdown from this

to the technical requirements and to the design of the device itself, and when our developers of shock drones appear, there are many of them. everyone makes their own sample, then in fact it is not quite true , it is like this . the dialogue between the military and the developers then was probably to create a more productive basis for interaction , this is the direction we are in. as i understand it now, we need to change all these approaches to ensure this dialogue that you are talking about. sergey, let's put it this way, this issue cannot be resolved, for example, by holding some kind of formal meeting there. let's say once a month, it is possible only in close communication in close communication on a daily basis with people who plan operations, who plan those or

certain missions that face certain limitations, our own solution, how to say, solutions to problems, the solutions of which we could offer, but we are simply, well, let's say, we are forced to collect this information in fragments from those who have some application experience, have some certain idea has some difficulties. but it seems to me that if these processes were more systematic and, let's say, more organized and centralized, perhaps at the level of the general staff, i think the efficiency of the work of each of the factories in ukraine would increase radically. the fact that in ukraine it is necessary to create such an ecosystem that provides for the maximum efficiency of each participant, that is, from the manufacturer to the customer, in order to create conditions for discussion , discussion, and then the minimization of procedures that can interfere with one or another process, so that

this movement towards such an ecosystem, from what, from what, from what, in your opinion, should this movement begin eh, well, first of all, it seems to me that this movement should still begin with communication eh. this it will be enough. this will be a breakthrough that will allow you to at least understand what the next step is. this should be the formalization of these or other requirements, or requirements are a bit of an outdated word, let's say the formalization of those ideas in format for example some for example of operational-tactical requirements eh, which in principle will give the opportunity eh to already move already to move in some more structured space like this eh well, for example, we work with these overruns and putting in this solution rather large ranges eh we do not

understand and what for example, we have to get the minimum minimum necessary e-e ranges so that this decision is already effective today, and unfortunately no one can ask such a question, no one can actually answer this question because those who have some experience have it completely different, it is not it is generalized, you know, it is actually individual because different divisions work in different areas and the depth of er and from the area of ​​responsibility they are completely different and er the manufacturer is actually faced with such a situation that he has to either accept something as a constant for himself and work on it but there is a risk. what, for example, after that? after development , such a product will simply turn out to be, let's say , limitedly usable, that is, as i understand it, the greater the requirement for range , the higher the cost of the product itself it is complicated by its design if we are talking about the fact that it is necessary to destroy the range there by 10 km, then it says there in a month