[000:00:00;00] quality we have to get so that this solution is already effective today and unfortunately no one can ask such a question, no one can actually answer this question because those who have a certain experience have it completely different, it is not generalized, it is, as you know , actually individual because different divisions work in different areas and the depth and from the area of ​​responsibility . they are completely different and the manufacturer is actually faced with such a situation that he has to either accept something as a constant for himself and work on it, but there is a risk. what for example after that, after development, such a product will simply turn out to be, well, let's say limitedly usable, that is, as i understand it, the greater the requirement for range, the more the cost of the product itself increases , its design is complicated, if we are talking about the need to destroy the range there by 10 km ago it says there

in a month or through the product, can you offer a solution for the implementation of this combat task, well , that’s right, for example, the issue is only exclusively of range, it very strongly affects the entire system, the entire complex decisions and the cost is also radically affected because shorter ranges can be provided with much cheaper means of communication , for example than, say, ranges where signal relaying and provision of e-e communication through some additional devices will be required you will already start testing the thunder in the version that you consider optimal for it to be used on the battlefield, we are actively working on it, no, i am not ready

to name any dates or any specific uh, timelines for the completion of development well, in principle , i think it's not, we don't need to know our enemy, we're working on it. i think that soon we'll see the results of the application . the complex is becoming much different, it is becoming better, it is becoming more powerful, what has changed in the fury itself during this time of hostilities , how was the experience of combat operations on the battlefield taken into account? the provision of the actual design of the complex and the aircraft, we are really working on increasing the flight time , increasing the payload by greater unification, and not in principle, again , certain solutions have already been implemented, certain solutions

will be implemented there before at the end of this year and i think that our users will be even more satisfied with the characteristics and capabilities of our complex, mr. artem. well , the time coincides very well. thank you very much for the inclusion. for the work you do for our state and i would like to remind our viewers that artem vyuniki was the director of the atlavia company , which produces the furia 1cm complex, which is used in art intelligence, and is currently deciding on a project to create a project for a munitions weapon named "grim". now we have the next guest joining us. vadim kudachigov, a fighter of the 241st brigade until recently and the ideological inspirer of the revenge wing project by vadim. i congratulate you if you see me

, you are itching. will not affect any of our conversation and i would like to start our conversation with the fact that about a month and a half ago we talked about your initiative project regarding the creation of strike drones in the revenge wing project, it was about the need to produce about a thousand new autonomous unmanned bombers hunter killer and i would like to ask now at what stage is the project so complex still existing and non-existent when will there be any noticeable results that can be talked about well, on a larger scale, first this aircraft is a preview of three modifications, this is a modification of an autonomous

kamikaze, this is a modification of an autonomous bomber, and this is a modification of a manned controlled bomber. at the moment, we have finished testing the first sample of the sample of the first modification and the autonomous kamikaze, and now we are undergoing certification. requires a significant polyp. that is , the 256th to 1256th resolution was adopted there , anyway, the procedure is adopted, it remains very difficult and complex, it is archaea they have not gone anywhere, they continue to use it, well, such a scoop use, artificial use, there is price adjustment, although it is, well, an absolute barrier

. now we will definitely try to restore the connection because it is interrupted. and we do not quite clearly hear what vadym is saying, where or him i repeat, he is now the main driver of the project called wings of revenge , which involves the creation of a new family of attack drones. this project was presented to the ukrainian community about a month and a half ago. it involves, well, different versions of these of unmanned systems, vadim says that the tests of the first version are now underway. well, the main question arises regarding the scaling of these samples, because one sample on the battlefield does not solve anything, a significant number does, and it decides that the personnel should be prepared to use this or that weapon, and then it really gives some effect on the field, because if it is not there, then we understand that such point initiative decisions do not affect the situation on the battlefield, vadim

, if we hear now, then i would still like to our street is re-recruiting and i will say that actually now in ukraine there are about 40 companies that are starting to create e-e in unmanned strike reconnaissance complexes, this is the second burst of initiative of our enterprises because this situation was just the first time in the year of the war in the 14th year then it appeared about 50 companies that began to manufacture unmanned aerial systems, of those 50 companies remained at first 30, then decreased to 10, and this is exactly the combat core of 10 companies. and now it is the main one the potential for the production of serial samples that are adopted into service is, in particular, the atlonavia company, which manufactures the fury a1 complex, as well as the deviro e-e company in the specialist field

. this company itself is now creating the main samples that are used with the armed forces, and new projects are also appearing in our country now vadim kudachigov is in touch again. vadim would like to explain what stage the project is at now. you told me about the ministry of defense's requirements for the rkd for the documentation that it stands for. with such a certain brake in order to speed up the entire process of testing, so at the moment we are a volunteer state. where did the money buy 8 planes? well, we bought them. we create them. this is the money that was offered to us for purchase by silpo fora and vostok banks . this is my great gratitude. to these companies that financed 8 aircraft and we will now hand over 8 aircraft to specialized structures that will be quietly used

at their own discretion . the most difficult for our drone manufacturers, this is the first level, it is procedural problems , the second is financial, the third is industrial, and the fourth is personnel. how would you prioritize these problems in the experience of your own company ? the most significant four problems, first of all, these are personnel problems, and i have already raised them at the government level, because currently we continue to order such professions as financiers, marketers, etc.

at the moment, we don't need it, we need design engineers, electronics, molders, milling machines. these are the specialties we need right now, and they don't have to study for years. they have to study it all in general . in our company, the salary is somewhere around 40 thousand 30-40 or even 50,000 uah and we are not unable to find personnel who can work, so if suddenly someone hears from me, contact the company and we will hold a competition the second problem - these are really industrial problems and we, uh, in general , not so long ago

, we talked with the representative of the minister of technology. that the state banks of ukraine do not lend to enterprises of the military sector . here they simply ask. and what do you do with the defense truly electronic technology company? can we engage in the production of weapons? no, i'm sorry, we do not lend to this, they tell me the state structure the state bank and here there is a certain dissonance, i will not be able to purchase such equipment with it. well, the high cost and the equipment that i cannot install on the leased premises, because each machine that is there costs 100-150 thousand dollars for its arrangement, setting, etc. somewhere there, 10-15 thousand dollars, and if they do it in a rented premises. well, when will my rent be raised there, when i saw that i installed everything there, there was ventilation, there was electricity, i changed something else there. and you say, well

, dude, you just won't ten dollars pay and 10 and where are you in our actions, yes , and the state says no, you had contraclors, well, that's all , we leave you five dollars. er, specifically with the government on a different basis, because artem said we should create the conditions, but now the government says there we want to create some centers there, where will business come , organize some courses there, just create the conditions for us, don't bother, just don't don't bother me don't bother me with your checks don't bother me with your e-e just ask there with the title of the nose and no your affairs, well, christmas trees, sticks

, well , there's just not enough left. the state is producing, the state should buy everything , because now more is being purchased with volunteer money, a dream should be created that will be bought, even this is just a test, and some military unit likes it, we want to buy it, the state will buy it transfers in the future all enterprises that will be able to set up this production in the future when we meet this market then we will systematize everything now it is necessary to take everything that is from everyone who can produce my point of view is that well, it is quite radical vadim as well as many others questions, but now the government is talking about the fact that they directed 40 billion uah for the purchase of drones, that they removed these

reductions related to profitability, that is, now the margin is 25% for manufacturers bezpi complexes says that the problems related to the purchase of components abroad have been removed, vat has been removed on such things , here are these things that you felt at your company , that this is an impetus to speed up the production of shock drones that you announced at the moment i'm filling out 36 protocols at the moment, i'm completing rtm, and you'll get rcm as an expert anyway . well, i'll just explain what rcm is . estimated costing materials are the cost of e-e components plus the cost of work on which i can put

25% of profit is the stimulation of inefficient production, that is, the more i screw up all kinds of money, damn it , rent and something else . $300. on which i will be able to put 25% of the profit or is there no point in reducing the value of myself ? any a private company to us tries to optimize production as much as possible to reduce costs and always the first price in market relations shins relations happens by comparing characteristics technical characteristics and price i always forgot the military question do you know e-er rtm on samsung tv no you don’t know it you come

look at samsung look at lg , look at panasonic, look at the cover there and choose yourself based on the technical characteristics of the price-quality ratio, not vadim, and i think that we, together with you, continue in in the following programs, because you are now time is running out quickly. thank you for the inclusion. thank you for the work you do for the country. i will remind our viewers that filipko espresso was at one time the only inspirer of the project of beautiful drones called wings of revenge. now we will have a small informational pause, the pain may become the obstacle is not mine dolgit relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility, you can also walk, the only yellow cream for joint pain and with

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topic for ukrainians victories and losses analysis and forecasts politics and geopolitics , serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this, people who have information and shape public opinion, people who defend ukraine and create the future, the main thing is now and the interesting thing in the program is the verdict by serhiy rudenko from monday to friday at 8:00 p.m. repeat at 12:10 a.m. my dad was a tank driver

, he was my sniper. and destroyed an entire warehouse of ammunition, and what about my dad served in the air defense forces and shot down missiles over kiev, finally i can tell about it wow oh cool so we continue our military program and now we are joined by pavlo kishkar, the head of the excavator project office of the ministry of defense, mr. pavlo, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. i congratulate you, mr. serhiy, it is very bad to hear you, but i guess that

you introduced me, then i still wanted you to hear me better . had a conversation with artem yunnyk and vadyv kudachig, who talked about the peculiarities of working with the ministry of defense, eh, in yunnik, he says that there is a need for more and transparency, more dialogue regarding the formation of requirements for unmanned systems. vadym kazachegov is more radical , he says that in the ministry of defense or state customers have to buy out everything that private companies do so that you can figure out what is needed and what is not needed . and actually the accelerator of the ministry of defense is such a structure, a project structure that has been working for two months and set itself the goal of speeding up innovative solutions for the ministry of defense and removing the bureaucracy that today exists in the relationship between arms manufacturers and with the main customer, what does your two

months of work as the head of the project office show, what exactly prevents the establishment of a dialogue between by the manufacturers and the ministry of defense, is it possible that it has already been established, what exactly needs to be improved and what is being done in this direction today, we believe that it is as close as possible to the people who are ready to use their developments , their knowledge, their skills, and their skills to help the state, e-e, regarding specific unmanned aerial vehicles there is a separate commission for considering the codification of certain ukrainian-made developments, this codification then helps the representatives of the general staff to make the right choice, which actually orders and determines the need and the urgent need for unmanned aerial vehicles and

other ukrainian and foreign-made weapons that need to be purchased from the state budget, such a system has been established, we believe that with regard to unmanned aerial vehicles , it is as close as possible and open in order to cooperate with business, business, as far as i feel and i see his contacts daily contacts eh understands this procedure uses this procedure and passes the codification regarding eh itself as soon as possible procurement and procurement is carried out. i have already repeated many times not only with the funds of the ministry of defense, but also with other items of state budget expenditures and these opportunities to purchase more quickly, to supply the front with the need for one or another weaponry. i believe that the ministry of defense fulfills the quality of eh a when we talk about the fact that the developers want to see a certain perspective about what exactly

the armed forces need to somehow adapt to these oriented e-e requirements, how should we act here so that the dialogue while i understand that between the general staff of the ministry of defense and the developer, it was more lively, more transparent, more productive , first of all, it is easiest to join the work and activities of the accelerator of the ministry of defense, we are sufficiently open and transparent to communicate, including regarding the definition of e-e tactical-technical characteristics of certain types of weapons or robotic systems , you and i were present at a meeting on robotics, you saw the interests and interest of the market of entrepreneurs who want , want and understand that they can to propose instead that the general staff adjusts these needs in accordance with the modern requirements of the war, of course we wanted to see

a worked-out plan for the transition to robotic e-e units, but this is rather a dream of ours for now, but it will be a reality in the very near future , we are doing everything for this, contact with business is established and in the 45 days that we have given for codification, we invest and wait for new developers, new teams that will join the creation of a modern ukrainian army, a robotic army. i think that this the process is a continuous process by the accelerator of defense provide at the appropriate level i repeat once again we are open to communication on a daily basis please join in if you have proposals to eliminate any bureaucratic obstacles we are ready to assist you at all levels including the minister of defense and er arises the question

is that somehow it is necessary to saturate your or our accelerator , which exists in the ministry of defense, in which optimal formats of interaction with creative youth, and as a accelerator, where is this site interactions, how to offer your services, how to get in touch with you, how to ensure this interaction so that people who have ideas really work for the ministry of defense , e.e., the accelerator is not the only body that offers to join the developers and manufacturers of ukrainian weapons in the events, there are other events that are held by e. with ivan and together with him, we are also participants in these events .

contacts with manufacturers if we forgot someone somewhere, well, sorry, there is a selerator site , type write to us about the fact that we forgot you and we will definitely include you in the next events and in the accelerator newsletters , and i think that it is possible to register both on fsu and on everyone has the right to submit an online application to the accelerator. everyone has that, so please go to our website, write an application, write your complaint, if we have missed something somewhere, we will certainly respond to your proposals and applications online. when we talk about the financing of individual projects or the search for funds from foreign partners, uh, how did i hear deputy minister of defense gavrilo talk about the fact that such

opportunities exist, or are there any examples ? well, you saw that the number of registered, codified , robotic systems, in particular, was considered . the commission had all those applications that arrived and were properly processed . it is another matter that i cannot tell you in numbers. to talk because it is probably on the border with secret things, but the fact that this process is established, and the relevant management departments and departments of the ministry of defense process these documents in a timely manner, that is how it is possible to apply for international funding through breivan and er, fcq is also possible and write to us about help in completing such an application, therefore, all applications that come through

our site are processed in a fairly short period of time and proper help is provided from the developers, i say once again if we have forgotten or missed someone somewhere or not participated in the activities, please join, there are all opportunities for this, but thank you very much for your explanations. we will continue to support the flators of the ministry of defense . the activities of our armed forces on those developments that have a high level of technical readiness, what is in the startup format is actually a brand on in numbers and the solution is already there

ready for use, this is the ministry of defense, the office with the operator of the ministry of defense. so, what conclusions can be drawn that our enterprises actually have the ability to increase and scale the production of drones for various purposes, the problems of planning remain those that need to be solved , funding also needs to be increased. well , the main thing is to establish a dialogue between by the manufacturers of the used platforms and the customer, and this dialogue should be so promising that our developers know exactly what weapons our armed forces need. so these were the main results of this military program of ours, and then there will be a news release . so stay tuned to the espresso channel . greetings. dear viewers, it's time to learn