[000:00:00;00] and i don't know to what extent kyiv is an indicator because, when you talk to women, they say we're coming back to kyiv, air defense is still safer in kyiv, and so on, and what's more, children go to offline training from the first e- because now here are the latest statistics, for example, 25,000 came to germany last month, then 9,000 left for the czech republic. well, in principle, they left . the new wave of migration is not as powerful as it was at the beginning of the war. well, maybe because the statistics i can do statistics on cars to judge in kyiv, but this is kyiv, there are many cars in kyiv because now there are kharkiv er dnipro zaporizhzhia all the cities that are being shelled er all the people who have some money come here because it is safer here there is air defense here there is well

more work there, etc., exactly the same in western ukraine, that's why if you go to the hinterland there, and especially there to the east, then there is a different picture, that's why it's a real problem, before which we would start talking about it at the institute of the future in the 18th year i said, then i started hitting twice that we are going to a situation where a person will be very expensive because all these conversations about the fact that we have cheap labor here will all be in the past because now yesterday i talked with businessmen and with different from different industries, so all in one i'm just saying it's just an ass. i'm sorry. well, this is a direct quote, because even there, er, the staff there could have been at the reception desk. put them there. there aren't those girls who were, er, disappeared, so they went there and there will be a very strong struggle for labor force, because if we won't start

to evaluate people eh, look what a phenomenon is unfolding now eh, soldiers began to receive a large salary, soldiers, officers of the armed forces, and we see what begins when people have money, this money in the form of taxes went to local budgets, and there began this mechanalia with tiles there stadiums there, etc., if the local local government , well, the central government had more brains, then it would be possible to create a lot of infrastructure, which means creating opportunities for foreign companies to enter there , investments there, danish engineering to bring communications in order to well, to make it easier to reveal, well, to go in, that means here, there, yes, bomb shelters are all that is needed now in the conditions of war. it would be possible.

relocations, well, i don’t agree, we didn’t agree, i’m having a discussion called domofori , yes, yes, uh, i’ll tell you about poland later, what kind of relocation of our business is happening there, uh, hmm, i lost my mind and er, she directed this money to some useful things, so er, this flow of money ended up in the hands of ordinary people, er, it shows one thing that when everyone gets rich, well, when there is an opportunity to have more money, everyone wins , especially when the state pursues a rational policy, since everything is simple, along the whole chain, waiting begins, and in our situation, we see that certain versts are getting rich, the military commissars are local, this government is there, i’m talking with the girl from the travel agency, she’s talking in let’s go, i’m telling you, the travel agency personal travel agency where he works, but well, i’m saying that these people are probably going, who uh, we are on the tiles there, uh, now they are earning, yes, these people

go , these same people drive expensive cars. now they are making money from it, but the key thing is now that we all have to understand that after the war we will be faced with several challenges , the first challenge is people who received 50-100,000 hryvnias there, yes, with combatants, there are soldiers of the armed forces, families who received this money , they find themselves the situation when they this money they will not receive and they are already used to them because they understood that it is possible to live in another you can er you can already put something in something to build there yes and er the state should answer this question and why why can't it to provide conditions that allow ordinary people to receive a large salary generated by a business that can work normally because he has enough freedom and because he does not run with tax invoices

like a hare from the tax office there yes which in manual mode blocks everything and e- and we don't give the possibilities of giving people a large salary here are several problems and you just took and mixed all these problems into one and let 's deal with each one separately because some things look quite manipulative and here i'll just try to figure it out let 's try to figure it out well yes i really i do not agree with the fact that the state does not, as you said, does not provide money when in fact half of our state expenditures are provided by the aid mobilized by the government , and mobilizing such aid is an agreement , it is a negotiation, it is a format, it is reporting, it is not right it's simple. this is the macro-financial stability of the work of the nbu, this is the work of the ministry of finance and so on. it should not be taken as a weapon. the same defense says that they do not protect, but there is also such an example. i fully agree with the fact that we need to create a business climate and create just that . opportunities for the work of the private sector, because even if after

the victory we mobilize 200 billion 200 billion , we will still take reparations, sanctions, and in our country , a large part of the recovery will be about the private sector, and now, despite the invasion, already the interdepartmental group on deregulation has been working for about six months, they adopted a thousand norms that affect business, over 200 were canceled, 400 were re-designed, 400 figures are currently being worked on revising the spheres of state supervision and control , we have 84 spheres of supervision and control, 30 inspection bodies, of which at least 14 even according to the data of the drs of the regulatory service, 14 need to be canceled, 24 need to be optimized here and there and as an inspection and so on, and in parallel it is that state control, in parallel it is law enforcement agencies, is now going seriously the discussion is precisely about revising the jurisdiction of the sbu, beba, so that we really have a single body that concentrates and stands in a time interval called present continuous , yes, that is, that is all we need, why do we do it now

, we are talking about what the regulatory states include in order to return people that is, if we were to say in the present perfect - this is an accomplished result. that 's on the face of it. but we discussed that. of course , the state has shown its ability to clean up negative points and to call people to return because there is no such thing. inspectors. there are no bribers. there are no such and such. please come back. we have cleaned the country. we can work. let me tell you for a minute. poland, which one , 100 billion euros have been allocated for the relocation of ukrainian businesses through national funds, and they are chasing the field and they are just driving. now our business is being driven away . to yourself eh, classy language , well, for example, if you have a project budget of 10 million euros , come to us. you get 70% compensation , that is, they just give you a donation from the state there, yes. if you don't have 150 people, that's you

they give compensation if you have a project there for more than 10 million, then here they would lease it for a very cheap, uh, there is a loan, yes, men can still buy citizenship, but no, it ’s you for business, it’s just if you come there , you have a good, good project, they even 100% you can do it from practice if i told denys to lvivskyi i have been on the air many times , he has been on the air several times, he has now established two plants there , he is creating one plant i went there with a weapon , uh, i went here in ukraine for a year turn around let's get together let's get together in the end he spits he went there dozens of businesses and probably hundreds of businesses are now just flowing because our business has never seen money that can be handed out from a helicopter like that just under the fact that you have a project and therefore, we will have a very big problem to get this business if we remain in the way it is now. yesterday, i had a people's deputy, oleksiy movchanok, and we talked about the army, and the army has a large

number of facilities that generate tens of billions of hryvnias tens of billions, for example, 11 and more than 1,000 wagons run on ukrzaliznytsia, which generate 12.8 billion hryvnias per year, but the state will not receive this money, someone gets it, who controls it in a shadowy way, yes . what do you mean, for a minute, for sure, we've gone too far again, let's finish the thought. when i finish, yes, yes, you wrote that when the minister of finance spoke and said that we had less corruption, yes, you are fantastic. the minister of finance is fantastic. listen, no, no, not the minister, the minister is talking about the general picture, about general things , yes, people can obviously also feel that less bribes are given, you know about corruption, you know about corruption.

in our broadcasts , we have corruption everywhere , because the problem is that corruption everywhere has not decreased, it has increased. and this is when this is a key problem and we must talk about it. we are introducing such a term now because if we are in this pink barbelend that everything is fine with us what is it that we will not win the war longitude he talked with the representatives of the president's office about the fact that 112 criminal rights only against the heads of the military commissions that 's for sure well, not a story about the fact that corruption is decreasing. vasyl, the

story is about the fact that corruption is decreasing. in your policy, open up the economy as much as possible so that everyone invests, because i, too, in poland heard stories of investors they meet and when they don't have time to come there, it was said that the investor looked at two plots. well, one plot, but he doesn't have time for the other one, well, here they say it's already darker and so on. maybe the investor decided to invest in one plot and in another plot, but they worked

on it for years, yes and we have 30 years of apples, 30 years and let's go let's go and say one day we will have it now specifically about people uh let's go to say frankly, where to return people, i generally think at the moment the state should not call for people to return because we cannot ensure the safety of these people, we will not be able to provide them with jobs and 30% of our economy has been destroyed. we cannot provide people with normal infrastructure again, i agree with you, there is no need to talk about kyiv, we need to talk about the eastern regions, there is nowhere to go back, but the state should introduce an information company to constantly maintain contact with those ukrainians who are there to inform them of the changes that are taking place in us should be virtual, not virtual, but concrete steps that are being taken need to be tied to the information of people. because if the war ends tomorrow , the war will really end tomorrow, and in 20

days we will have september 1, and where will mothers take their children, and after september 1, you can to say that for 9 months the return of mothers with children to ukraine will stop completely and in order for people to return at least in nine months, all these nine months we need to talk we are waiting for you, we will be there for you do everything, we will change the country, we will really change it here and now . so, when talking about deregulation, i will give you a very simple example. i spent 7 years of my work with the help of. by the way of journalists, this is what i managed to do. years two supreme soviets and on march 20 this year, 268 deputies voted for my draft law with the co-author was this is the law on the protection of labor migrants and combating fraud in employment abroad. on april 10, mr. the president signed it in october, it already comes into effect, licensing in our industries has been canceled, all intermediaries are prohibited from taking

money from people for looking for work abroad, er , very stiff fines have been introduced, well, that is , it is really work. i understand that i alone spent 7 years on this concrete changes, if the whole government works in our government, only one person works, and just as we are approaching the point that changes will take place , something needs to be done concretely, not according to plans for the day after tomorrow, but to be done already today , then there will be changes, then people can thanks to it be the next two or three steps. and once again, in addition to information support for people, give an explanation that they are needed here . the first is an information company . and the third according to while returning here to get an education there e-e see if you if in germany you are waiting if in germany our children who know the german language at an appropriate level are offered

free study in their universities to get their diplomas and immediately enter their labor market, they will be there, they will be there, but we have two opposite pictures, first, children studying in germany who came from bulgaria 90% want to stay in germany , but children who came from china to study in germany 90% dream of returning to china, why do they understand what they have in their homeland? they have more opportunities for development, and if people do not perceive that we have an opportunity for development, if people will not see changes, if people will constantly hear that one day we will do something there, they will choose for themselves more predictable countries if we do not clearly understand what we will have in 10 years, who will return, why return a little every year no no here you need to understand that in the center there is

another factor opening he is certainly emotional but my co-worker told me that the child went to a german camp, but now she is there and they went with the teacher to a shopping center. the teacher got distracted somewhere . they had to take the elevator. the elevator, we usually asked the children there and whether they contacted the police and about such rude treatment of ukrainian children . well, you know, there is nothing better than my native home. and to constantly feel like a person of the second class when you are there, i don't know whether it is right or left which indicate to you that you are a ukrainian or that you are a syrian or that they equate you to such and such nations , it is still not okay and morally it is very difficult what factors do not agree, the first and

most important thing is that you must understand that germany has been physically dying out since 1972 and the entire policy of germany is built precisely on the attraction of labor migrants from other countries, is this in order to keep them from developing their country , 800,000, you understand, poland, another 400, they are generally now all european countries, they are even changing their doctrine on attracting people , they are open but xenophobia and alexenophobia exist in all countries of the world, including ours, but the next question you will have after mr. kyrylo comments on the slides will be: how much can we think during the war about migration policy and attraction labor force from other countries, yes, mr. management, the factors that affect the return , is it worth a little discussion, and the return of people is influenced by three basic factors in the center of economic recovery, we did research and analyzed the surveys that are currently taking place abroad , they can be divided into three points, the first is security, and here it is important to understand the nuances that

there are people for whom, for example, 11%, of those who are currently abroad, they are already going to return in the near future, 7% have already decided for sure that they are not coming back and what from the point of view security for half of those who hesitate, the end of hostilities in his hometown is important, and for half it is important on a national scale, that is why here we work with different audiences with different such categories , the second is the economy, and only 11 people from those who percent of people with those abroad . they know that their workplace is saved here, that they will come and work only 11%. and 36% are generally not sure that they will find a job for others plus or minus to believe that they will find because of the creation of jobs er, they will find a job here with us on the surface, this is how it works, a person asks himself questions , do i want to return, for example, do i want to? i am absolutely not inspired by the fact that when people from america, northern europe, developed countries

returned to israel, people returned to georgia reforms there, they returned to the army in azerbaijan not because the standard of living in israel at that time was higher than that of america , they returned just in order to realize themselves in the country that they know their neighbors on the street where they grew up where they can develop there and it is precisely the state's responsibility to create it, that's right on the slide it's called the economy , it's the conditions for doing business here we are absolutely on the same page and in terms of regulation and incentives for business development i just want such examples to arise when you can say a rooster goes to the chicken coop and says, shows the ostrich eggs and the girls say , i don't want to say anything bad about you, but look at the things they are doing abroad, i.e. poland, their incentives from the gdp, which there are more than this is three times more than ours, let's work more to create this. and the last one is the infrastructure that is being done. i was just driving along podol. yes, you can criticize it. the roads are new here, but that hasn't happened in recent years. yes, and

if you look at all our destroyed bridges to all our entrances to selyshchno, how to get from kyiv there to ivano-frankivsk, you can say that everything is changing now, the rocket fell there already in the morning, everything was earned there, they made this infrastructure, bridges were restored, and so on . therefore, these are basic things. but in order to recover by the way, i also want to bring such an argument into our discussion, we not only need to think about the number of heads and whether they should be migrants or foreigners or there are ukrainians, but there is another way to increase gdp and this is an increase in labor productivity, this is again, again, about investments it's about modernization , it's about the entry of investors here and about the conditions for investors, let's think about it, wait , investors will come anyway, someone has to work. let's not talk about heads, about hands, we're not talking about the return of people about the return of working people, and if it is about migration, then about labor progression , things are controversial, and either the prophets or they miscalculated, let’s talk about migrants. look, if

we count poles and grants, well, let’s try to wake up how many of them we need, we are talking about the fact that there are 6-8 million ukrainians abroad. and how many okay, for the new year, the war is over. how many of them will return. how many of them can be interested, not forced, not banned. and to be interested so that they return, if you ask the question, how many do we need? it means that we need to count. how many industries are broken in our country? all this will not be enough. and we will change the structure of the economy. we need 30 million plus . vitaliy kulik came up with a cool formula on my broadcast. 30 million, which we now have , and 30 million uah. 30 million at the expense of migrants for that we simply get younger because we are aging very quickly, our working population is decreasing, it is fleeing, it is decreasing trophically if you look at the near future because you are now running children

14-15 they stay there because well, i have several acquaintances are now there in germany, in italy, in other countries, and they have children there who are 14-15 years old, and they say they will return because we want to return , we lived here in our country, we had a great life there, yes, they are among the powerful middle class there, yes who felt very good before the news, but but but a simple dilemma, for example, a girl or a boy is 15 years old, he still needs 2-3 years to study at the gymnasium, and she already has a direct path to go there to study further in higher education somewhere, in germany or in great britain or the united states and they just tie themselves to the children, because they understand that it is better, it is better not to stay, but it also affects the labor resources of the country, that is why we must understand we must reject all the rubbish that we had before the war

in relation to migrants in relation to what we are there we have some superstitions that we have a special mentality there we should like canada which last year in a year millions of millions of people will get there let's go to canada by the way there is a quota for ukrainians one million they they receive correct as once one deputy said about low-quality children and er and not quality. i apologize to the people who are attracted by this or that country, australia, for example, and canada . from my subjective point of view, they do not get very high-quality personnel. they become er, what can reach, what can reach ukraine clearly understand that if we follow the path of ukraine as a country of cheap labor, then no one will come to us at all if we are talking about the fact that we need to attract

people here, yura says to throw away this junk and where are we going to throw away the opinion of our people not tolerant, our people are not tolerant, and that's all our people won't be able to, they won't be able to but it's still allocating it, but in general, my vision is that in order to understand how many people we need to attract here, understand what kind of economy we are building in general if we are building a high-tech economy if we we are moving into the 21st century, let's just look at the numbers, where did children go this year, 46,000 children here in ukraine almost chose philology, lawyers , economists, managers, good, and 386 children went to engineering specialties, 3806 children where are we going to get those people who will be? that's right. yes, we want factories. what kind of factories do we have? cops were selling young people who will graduate and get there for the economy, and that's why our government

must first say what kind of economy we are building , then understand whether we have people and if not specialists, then we need to think about where we will attract them from. and after we attract the next question, for what period is it good and they are socializing, we are ready that their families will come with them, they will act, women who, uh, it is not known who is there, who, oh, who will we go the question of the countries of central central asia or communism, they imagined the war before the war. i thought that it would be them, the inhabitants of the central asian country, they were not central. that's how they swept the street or not, but now at the moment , i don't know at all who we should involve, and here we need not sit on but in three, it gives some ideas to put forward, and it is necessary to involve scientists from representatives of the national academy of sciences that they really drew, first, our migration strategy, second, that they conduct research on our society, business, power

of local communities, how will they react to the fact that foreigners will come here and that it should not be a hoax to them, yes, with some kind of statement today, our association launched the vizit 2033 project, its goal is the preservation and development of the labor resources of ukraine, as of today, i have support from one international organization that is ready to sponsor and pay for these studies, these studies will be conducted on the basis of the institute of demography, i have birds - this is ela malena libanova, mariupolskyi will be involved the state university is precisely the people who worked with labor resources, and i want the scientists to express their opinion, and the task of the du government is to implement and develop it, and it must be explained. and our task is to explain to the people what the country needs, rightly, you , as journalists, must enter into this discussion and to report and this is not one program, this is an information company that should last for years that people should understand the cherry orchard around the house is very cool but if

it is looked after but if there is no one to take care of it, if there are no people there is a house will fall apart and the garden will dry up, people who listen to you may immediately see two categories of people, one category of people who will say, okay, if it will be like in the arab emirates, when there are 10% locales, and then 90% of pakistanis, hindus, and so on come here to use locales by the way of the young emirates, how about kiev , and the second category of people, i’m saying the examples are not quite like that, and the second category of people who will say that means they want to make something out of ukraine, well, something similar to, well, relatively speaking, when clouds of syrians come here and and they will give birth to children and it will be one man has to work and feed himself for 10 years, they haven't died, they go there because there is a social policy, and it is now being revised very harshly because europe europe has understood that it is necessary to apologize - well

, hurry up, the european commission is now preparing something ready this story about migration - this is what we have now, we will need to talk for half an hour, we have three minutes left before the news, let's go no , let's go, sir, they gave him an answer so very easily, they threw all the problems that there were, and we are the next half hour, but i want to talk about migration, because this is a big topic, but who will go, who will we invite, will we have a targeted program, do we understand who we want to see here, what kind of culture should these people be ? of our citizens, labor migrants and forced laborers, we must create conditions for them in the first place and 8 million - this is the number that would be comparable from this diaspora which is now in israel israel over time someone e-e existence he returned through the aliyah program, three and a half million people out of the nine who are now in israel , so let's do more for the ukrainians, for our people to return, and the question was just

how many of them will return, we think that in this risk zone where can there are about three million people in the government just to work, because some have already decided that we will not return, and unfortunately there are studies that indicate that people are changing their minds, that is , if there were 10% who were undecided before, now 16% of those who now in the european market and in the last six months, the number of people who found work and started studying has increased by about 17%, that is, they are moving from the category of forced migrants to labor migrants and then to the diaspora, and our diaspora is already more than 10 million people, and surely there is no need to increase them this amount . therefore, this information and analytical work is now just for you. there is good news that the morning. today, for example, began precisely with a meeting with the institute of demography with

representatives of the ministry of economy ministry of social affairs, which is currently reviewing the strategy with the representatives of the ministry of finance and the nbu, because everyone understands that people are the most important thing for the economy, this is the most important thing now, and if you can take a slide from the study from the center of economic recovery that we did, we need all percentages of real gdp not nominal to grow not with enrollment and broadcasts, we need to grow at such a pace that we can physically balance our budget. because before we had a gdp of 200 billion, and budget expenditures plus the pension fund are now 80 billion expenses after the victory will be 100 plus and the gdp will be 160 and this budget is not balanced in any way and zelenskyi was running for president, then the wall, who was his economic adviser , said that in order to make an economic breakthrough, and this was in the program of president zelenskyi, not president zelenskyi it is written that it should grow by 7-10%. it's very simple, like doubling your gdp from 10 years ago to 7% - well, it also corresponds to the budgetary needs that we have, because i understand what