[000:00:00;00] the contract they are similar, despite the desire of both to the ministries to purchase your products, none of them has yet concluded a contract that allows you to provide advance payment and the purchase of components that will speed up the production of your complexes for the armed forces, well, that's how it is today, the situation is really like this, but we are working, we hope that it really we will do everything possible, and we, and the state itself , will make it possible so that we do not stop, but continue to supply as effectively as possible without interruption, to supply our complexes to of the armed forces, and when we talk about increasing the volume of production and try to divide all the problems or directions by priority , planned procedures, as we said there, financing, industry, the capacity of the enterprise, the personnel potential of the enterprise , these are the four categories, how would you

rate them according to priorities, what hinders you the most just start increasing production scaling well, first of all, we must say that we have scaled up production very significantly. this is more than 10 times. it will be difficult, there is no time for the production of complexes, or 10 times, the staff has been recruited more than 10 times , no, actually, the efficiency of production has increased significantly, there is also a several-fold increase in the number of personnel, but it is much more due to the increase in the number, we actually produce products due to systematization and unification of some processes and expansion of the capacities of each division in the company, but today the key issue remains confidence in the future, because it

is impossible to expand production when there is no do you understand? what will you do in this capacity to download tomorrow? actually, the lack of a contract for today already creates a certain tension in our company, because we do not understand what, for example, 150 people will do in january of next year, if the contract is still in we will not be there or it will be concluded, for example, at the end of the year, as i hear about it, that budgetary appointments may appear later and only after that work on concluding a contract will begin later . the contract can be concluded, for example, in december , but under such conditions, you will continue to deliver the complexes, but not before, say , april or may of the next year, that is , there will simply be no deliveries for several months. and

this cannot be allowed, because it will also lead to losses enterprises and to the reduction of some possibilities . well, in the end, to the reduction of supplies to the armed forces , despite the fact that the need is calculated, it is great, it is great, and we are ready to satisfy it as efficiently as possible, but the next factor after confidence in the future, of course, there is also a certain problem with communication, but this is more related to promising developments and the search for innovative solutions because , in any case, the manufacturer cannot and should not to invent some technical solutions without understanding the problems or, let's say, the ideas of the military regarding their application on the battlefield and

regarding this issue, well, i have already said more than once, i said about it on forums and on the live broadcast that we should build some a very powerful system of constant communication of such partnership e partnership work with the armed forces e of course taking into account all the issues of secrecy and so on, but still constant e-e daily work must somehow be implemented and then manufacturers will be able to understand the needs and understand some problems e-e to offer interesting solutions that are possible let's put it this way, the military could not even imagine, well, in fact, we are talking about the fact that when you develop a shock kit with thunder so as not to invent a bicycle, you must clearly know which are the optimal missions are needed for this complex, and from this to count down to the technical requirements and to the design of the device itself, and when

our developers of strike drones appear , there are a lot of them. in fact, this dialogue between the military and developers will be much longer than it would have been, then it would certainly have been to create a more productive basis for interaction. this is the direction we understand - now we need to change these approaches, change to ensure this is the dialogue that you are talking about. that's right, serhii. that's right. let's put it this way, this issue cannot be resolved, for example, by holding some kind of formal meeting there . let's say once a month. regime with people who plan operations, who plan certain missions, etc., which face certain limitations, our own

solution, how shall we say, solutions to problems , the solutions of which we could offer, but we are simply, well, let's say, we are forced to collect this information in excerpts from those who have some experience of application, have some certain ideas, have some difficulties. but it seems to me that if these processes were more systematic and more, let's say, organized and centralized, perhaps at the level of the general staff, i think the efficiency of the work of each of the productions in in ukraine , it would increase radically. and just before the program, we talked about the need to create such an ecosystem in ukraine, which provides for the maximum efficiency of each participant, that is, from the manufacturer from the customer in order to create conditions for a discussion and then a minimization of procedures that can hinder one or another process so that this movement towards such an ecosystem from what is it from what from what should this movement

begin in your opinion uh, well, first of all, i think that this movement should start with communication after all. this will be enough. this will already be a breakthrough that will allow at least to understand what is needed next step. this should be the formalization of these or other requirements or, well, requirements it is like this a bit of an outdated word, let's say the formalization of those ideas in the format of, for example, some, for example, operational-tactical requirements eh, which in principle will give the opportunity eh to move already to move in some more structured such space we don't understand the rather large ranges in this solution. and what, for example , are the minimum minimum necessary ranges

we need to get in order for this solution to be effective already today, and unfortunately, no one can ask such a question, no one can answer this question actually answer because those who have a certain experience have it completely different , it is not generalized, it is actually individual because different divisions work in different areas and the depth and from the area of ​​responsibility they are completely different and the manufacturer is actually faced with such a situation that he should either accept something as a constant for himself and work on it, but i am a risk. what, for example, after that ? after development, such a product will simply turn out to be. i understand that the greater the requirement for the range, the more the cost of the product itself increases. its design is complicated, if we are talking about the need to destroy the range there by 10 km, that is why it says there in a month

or through the product. can you offer a solution for the implementation of this combat tasks, well, yes, for example, the question is only exclusively of range, it very strongly affects the entire system, the entire complex of solutions, and also radically affects the cost , because shorter ranges can be provided much cheaper means of communication, for example, than, say, the range where signal retransmission and the provision of e-e communication will be required through some additional devices of mr. artem iq, so that internal estimates regarding that when you will already begin to e-e test the thunder in the version you consider for myself, it is optimal so that it can be applied on the battlefield, we are actively working on it, no, i am not ready to name any dates or any er specific

er timelines for the completion of the development well, in principle, i think it is not necessary for our the enemy, we are working on this. i think that soon we will see the results of the application , well, not only do you expect thunder, but the fury is systematically changing, this complex is becoming much, uh, different, it is becoming more qualitative, it is becoming more powerful, what has changed in the fury itself for this the time of hostilities, how were the experience of hostilities on the battlefield taken into account? well, really, as before, the fury complex changes almost daily, and the software and its own design of the complex and the aircraft are really working on increasing the time flight over by increasing the payload on greater unification and not in principle again certain solutions are already implemented certain solutions

will be implemented there by the end of this year and i think that our users will be even more satisfied with the characteristics and capabilities of our complex mr. artem well time is running out very quickly very thank you for the inclusion. for the work you do for our country and our viewers, i would like to remind you that artem vyunik, the director of the company atlan avia, which produces the furia 1cm complex that is used in art-reconnaissance and is now deciding the project is creating a project for a munitions weapon named thunder. and now we have a connection. the next guest is joining us. vadim kodachigov, a fighter of the 241st brigade until recently and the ideological inspiration of the pom stepan vadimy wing project. greetings, friends, i'm on the road, so excuse me, i'll answer

questions directly from the car and how did it happen, well, i don't think it will affect any of our conversations, and i'd like to start our conversation with the fact that about a month and a half ago, you and i talked about of your initiative project on the creation of strike drones in the revenge wing project, it was about the need to produce about a thousand new autonomous unmanned hunter killer bombers, and i would like to ask now at what stage the project is, such difficulties do not exist , when will there be any noticeable results, about which it is possible to speak well, on a larger scale, first of all , this aircraft provided for three modifications, this is a modification of an autonomous kamikaze, this is a modification of an autonomous bomber, and this is

a modification of a controlled controlled by the dyers, we have now completed the testing of the first sample of the first modification sample and the autonomous staff and now we are undergoing certification, this is also what artem was talking about, eh , ahead of me, eh. according to 1256 resolution, the procedure is still adopted, it remains very difficult and complicated, it is archaic, they have not gone anywhere, they continue to use it , well, such a scoop use, artificial

use, there is price adjustment, although it is well the absolute barrier is here now we will definitely try to restore the connection because it is interrupted and we do not quite clearly hear what vadym is saying where or where he is, i repeat, he is now the main driver of the project called wings of revenge, which involves the creation of a new family of attack drones, this the project was presented to the ukrainian community about a month and a half ago, it provides for different versions of these unmanned systems, vadim says that now the tests of the first version are ongoing . well, the main question arises regarding the scaling of these samples, because one sample on the battlefield, nothing is decided by a significant number and it is decided that the personnel should be prepared to use this or that weapon, and then it really gives some effect on the field, if this is not the case , then we understand what point initiative decisions are for the situation on the battlefield is not affected vadim, if

we are listening now, i would like our street to be re-recruiting and i will say that there are currently about 40 companies in ukraine that are starting to create unmanned strike reconnaissance complexes, this is the second surge initiatives of our enterprises, because this situation was just the first year of the war in the 14th year, then about 50 companies appeared that began to manufacture unmanned aerial systems, of these 50 companies , at first there were 30, then it decreased to 10, and this is just such a combat core 10 companies and now e-e is such a major e -e potential for the production of serial samples that are adopted into service, in particular, it is also the atlo navy company that manufactures

the furia a1 complex, as well as the deviro e-e uk special systems company these companies are actually creating the main models that are used with the armed forces and new projects are appearing. we are now in touch with vadim kudachigov again . vadim would like to explain what stage the project is at now, you said about that that from the ministry of defense, the requirements for the rkd for the documentation that this acts as such a certain brake in order to speed up the entire testing process, so at the moment we are for a volunteer day. where did the money buy 8 planes, well, we bought them . we are creating a worm. offered for purchase by the companies silpo flora and bank vostok, this is, well, my great gratitude to these companies, which financed 8 aircraft, and we will now hand over the 8 aircraft to one of our specialized structures, which will be quietly used at their own

discretion. asked artem vinik what are the problems now . they are not so difficult for our drone manufacturers. this is the first level - procedural problems, the second is financial, the third is industrial, and the fourth is personnel. how would you prioritize these problems on in the experience of your own enterprise, what hinders you the most, the first is personnel problems yes, i always agree, this is the most significant four problems, first of all, these are personnel problems, and i have already raised them at the government level, because currently we continue to order such professions with state funds as financiers, marketers at the moment we don't need them, we need design engineers, electronic engineers, molders, millers. these are the specialties we

need right now, and they don't have to study for years. they have to study all of this in general there are some that are accelerated in the program, but it is needed now, it is now very necessary , we now, uh, in our company , the salary is somewhere around 40 thousand 30-40 or even 50,000 uah and we will not be able to find personnel who can work, so what if someone suddenly hears from me, please contact the company and we will hold a competition. the second problem - these are really industrial problems and we, uh, well, not so long ago , we talked with the representative of the minister of technology . i really hope that in the near future we will have a meeting with the new minister and we can

discuss this problem and it concerns the fact that the state banks of ukraine do not lend to enterprises of the military sector . here they simply ask. what do you do as a defense company? indeed, electronic technologies . can we engage in the production of weapons? no , sorry, we do not lend to this, they say to me the state structure of the state bank and there is a day here. well, there is also a certain dissonance. i will not be able to purchase such equipment. well , the high cost and equipment that i cannot install on leased areas because each machine that is there costs 100-150 thousand. dollars for its only arrangement, setting, er, it costs somewhere around 10-15 thousand dollars , and if it will be done in a rented premises, well, when will my rent be raised there, when i saw that i had arranged everything there, there was ventilation there , i changed the electricity there, and something else a

you say, dude, you'll just pay 10 instead of 5 dollars in the summer, and where are you in our activities, and the state says no, you had a contract for five dollars. well , that's all. and pays well in general these are the general problems that we need, we need a solution specifically with the government in a different way, because artem told us that we must create the conditions, but now the government is saying there we want to create some centers there, where business will come , organize some courses there, it will simply create the conditions for us, no don't bother me, just don't bother me, don't bother me with your checks , don't bother me with your e-e, just ask for the title of the nose and your affairs, well, christmas trees, sticks

, well, it's repeated a little bit, i translated it into the fact that it's necessary to systematize to collect all that is here is all that the enterprise is able to produce the state must buy everything because now a larger part of it is being purchased money must be created a fund that will be bought even this is just tested a and some military unit likes we want to buy the state buy transfers to in the future, the enterprises that will be able to set up this production are in the future. when we meet this market , then we will systematize everything. to produce my point of view is like this well, it is quite radical vadim as in many other e-e issues, but now the government is talking about the fact that they directed 40 billion uah for the purchase of drones, that they removed these

relaxations related to profitability, that is, now the walrus is 25% for manufacturers of non-complexes indicates that the problems related to the purchase of components abroad have been removed, vat has been removed on such things , and you have felt these things at your company , that this is an impetus to speed up the production of shock drones that you announced, at the moment i am filling out 36 protocols. at the moment, i am completing the rtm and the experts will leave the hark creams anyway, the rcm . well, i will simply explain what the rcm is , the estimated costing materials, this is the cost of components plus the cost of work on to which i will be able to put 25% and the profit is the stimulation of inefficient

production, that is, the more i wind up all kinds of money, damn it, there is rent and something else, that is, if i have a huge business a lot of expenses, my expenses, for example, will be 50 dollars, return 100 dollars. on which i will be able to put 25% of the profit, or is there no point in reducing the value of myself ? because if i reduce it, my profit will decrease accordingly. any private company tries as much as possible to optimize production , reduce costs, and always be the first price in market relations and temporal relations it happens by comparing the characteristics, technical characteristics and price. i always ask a military question. do you know the rtm for a samsung tv? no, you don’t know it. you

come and look at samsung. look at lg . look at panasonic. и качаться and not vadim well, i think that we will continue this together with you in the following programs, because you are now running out of time quickly. thank you for the inclusion . thank you for the work you do for the country i would like to remind our viewers that the movie espresso was at one time kudachi's sole inspiration for the project of shock drones called wings of revenge. now we will have a small informational pause if a woman likes herself she can do anything probiz femina - this is your useful microflora if it is the norm skin, hair and everything else is immediately visible just the fire is still here probiz femina anu run grab microbion there are discounts on waterproof varnish amodern neod for the treatment of nail fungus 10%

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with artem the young man and with vadym kudachigov who talked about the peculiarities of working with the ministry of defense e.e. in the youth says that there is a need for more and transparency, more dialogue regarding the formation of requirements for unmanned systems so that you can figure out what is needed and what is not needed and actually the accelerator of the ministry of defense is such a structure, a project structure that has been working for two months and has set itself the goal of speeding up innovative solutions for of the ministry of defense and remove the bureaucracy that exists today in the relationship between the manufacturers of weapons and with the main customer . this is what your two months of work as the head of the project office show . what exactly prevents the establishment of a dialogue between the manufacturers and the ministry of defense? and

what is being done in this direction today, we believe that as much as possible people who are ready to use their developments, their knowledge , their skills, and their abilities to help the state with regard to specific unmanned aerial vehicles there is a separate commission for considering the codification of certain developments of ukrainian production , this codification then helps the representatives of the general staff to make the right choice, which actually orders and determines the need and urgent need for unmanned aerial vehicles and other ukrainian and foreign-made weapons that must be purchased from the state budget in fact, such a system has been established, we believe that it is