[000:00:00;00] with regard to turkey, there is no doubt that they will not be in a hurry either. now, they are very interested in putin's visit and they understand or assume that it could. well, in fact, it could be a provocation, yes, that is, it was specifically done in relation to the turkish although i am here if i deny my previous statement, but we are talking about the way of thinking , yes, that is, including the turkish side, so they will not make any sharp statements somewhere closer to the visit, maybe it will sound somehow in skolsi and uh, so as not to attract attention because for ertuğ ana, putin's visa, an important body expects that thanks to this visit, thanks to his diplomatic skill, he will be able to reach the result

of putin's necessary condition for the restoration of the grain agreement , that is why they are not pedaling this situation now about an adequate reaction, which depends on what russia will continue to do to such steps , can turkey answer, first of all, what would be such an adequate answer in your opinion? well, there is a different idea about the adequacy of our idea about adequacy this is, of course, the escorting of these dry cargoes by turkish warships, but we perfectly understand that this will not happen, and turkey has already repeatedly stated that some other nato ships are also unlikely to do this, so in this case, it is adequate from our point of view i don't see a reaction, but could turkey, for example, close

the bosphorus to russian ships? it's impossible because, first of all, there are rules, thanks to these rules, and the metro convention hears and turkey can't do that in this case. to do without serious ones, well, that is, she can close these straits for russian non-military ships only under the condition that if she entered into a war with russia, well, that’s not the case, they started playing yakov, what are you bringing to the air of the games, the son of the owner of the car center , the middle eastern researcher was with us in direct contact, thank you well, that's exactly what we'll finish with, don't forget to subscribe to radio svoboda's youtube channel to like this broadcast so that as many people as possible can see it, comment , share it with your friends set a reminder so you don't miss svoboda life tomorrow

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summit, mr. roman. how do you think this format is viable, and if it is viable, can it bring results for us, for ukrainians in general, it is important to understand that when you talk about something, first you need to decide on definitions. i think that we all paid attention to the fact that this event was called a conference, a meeting, a meeting, and so on. and the form and content are always very important because they are ultimately the result and you rightly said that it was just a meeting of a meeting whose essence was to work on a document

called the peace formula and document this has to consider, as already announced by the president of ukraine and some participants, i advised jidi a-a at the global peace summit and here the global peace summit is important and the word global and summit and peace immediately catches the eye . in the text of different readings, precisely so, and in the understanding that such a text, well, diyak cannot become the subject of consideration at the global peace summit , because, well, if this is an issue, let's say the same, that uh, in the problems or from the problems of the war

russian-ukrainian is one thing, but when it comes to the global peace itself, it should be discussed in any document, if it is presented in a similar format, the globe , the memory of the world, the problems of the planet earth and the answer to the question of dozens of conflicts should be considered today. confrontations of different levels, different scales , different contents, including the russian-ukrainian war. and so these are not all coincidences and have given rise to a number of questions, and there are no answers to these questions until now, and i am convinced it won't happen because i don't know such a head who in this confusion can reach some kind of grain , this is the first, the second, now does this format have the right to life, you and i once talked about the crimean platform and i, despite the fact that

everyone was happy that it will take place, i said that well, you can do it, but there will be stars from that, and here, too, the first thing is to bring to activity all things, first of all, form and content . when we organize or we are planning to organize such an event and also in the fall, that is, if we take the most extreme date of the fall, then it is three, a little more than three months of work, with experience, i can say, to hold such a large-scale event , the time is not enough. something can be changed. i think that this a will be the content of our further conversation , but will all this achieve the goal that we expect, the wave can be lowered

, and the touchstone can be thrown, ah , but the goal that is being set now can be achieved, and this can only be understood from a system analysis the words spoken by the president of ukraine, the head of the office, no, and uh, even i paid attention to your phrase, which you said yourself, whether the meeting was with without russia, and no, you said so with china, but without russia, well, it is clear that the participation of the chinese representative was absolutely nominal because what was said as a result

. it was said by the deputy minister of foreign affairs of china that the position of china helped to consolidate and build an international compromise. let a thousand roses bloom. so it all ends with repression, yes, yes, i am here, what does it mean to consolidate an international compromise, unless the chinese who said it can tell us, so it is obvious to me that i do not want to, let's say, speculate and analyze and what is it really was it, shall we say, the search for uh individuals to do something is this really an attempt to solve global problems because this is this you know it's like from a molecule to a galaxy such and such a space therefore uh when i try to talk about this topic i want to suggest in what and how well it is necessary i believe that over the years it will be possible to change the situation with the crimean platform, but this could be exactly the result, and in international relations

, when you do similar things one, two, three times , and in the end, you get very large gaps on it's a great pity, yes, mr. roman . tell me, please . minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba. with russia at the same time, i have repeatedly read on the internet that our western allies and partners well, if they do not force us to sit down at this negotiation table, then they very clearly hint that it is possible, it is possible, because let's start doing it and what do you think about your professional opinion how long will we be able to resist is meant until our victory because that is the main thing for us it is a victory on the battlefield, but the victory still looks a little distant, but until this distant moment of victory, will we be able to resist

these hints from the west to sit down at the table negotiations, the first thing i want to draw attention to is that if it weren't for sir's career , we would know as much about the meeting in jeddah as we did in copenhagen, and it is obvious that there was contact between journalists and a representative from italy, and from there i will say yes well, from the point of view of the ukrainian participants, the leak was very serious , and it was necessary to put out the flames, because after the delegation returned to kyiv , a number of press briefings were held and so on, when they tried to explain, even the document was made public, the truth is from all points of view, it is not a document for such even for this level of the meeting, it is necessary to understand it, but now let's get to the point of what we will say, there may be a certain position

, and from my point of view, there is a mass of information that goes in this plan, it is a little not up to the quality because the quality in this regard is based on the position of washington, the position of washington is that the decision on the issue of negotiations is a decision that will be taken by kyiv and, as always , in this situation, i appeal to the expertise of the participants in this process, and when i see that ah ah they talk about this topic without understanding that a decision that primarily concerns the military and political situation is under any conditions a decision for which the political leadership of the state will bear the responsibility in this case of the ukrainian state, not poland, not lithuania, italy, france, or germany and ukraine and er. it should actually be based on

the position that this decision will be made when the appropriate conditions are created . i am very sorry that there is no clarity in this regard because certain fragments it is possible to catch only a systematic analysis of what the president of ukraine, the minister of foreign affairs says, those who are trying to fulfill some function in foreign policy and ah-ah, it doesn't sound like it because it doesn't skillfully relate to the situation on the front line. - and any decision regarding the introduction or non-introduction of negotiations depends on what situation today is beneficial in order to dictate certain conditions and tomorrow is not beneficial because you will be dictated by conditions more than once when

you had to transfer different levels of a-a negotiations with, including the russian delegation, you very often rely on the fact that today the situation is such that you can attack and achieve success and tomorrow you will fall into a trap, it is obvious that washington is right when it says that decisions should be made in kyiv under what conditions and when to lead negotiations, but you, er, threw a very precise phrase, which is primarily related to victory , what victory, because today, mr. yury, from the point of view of the political leadership of ukraine, we have not really formed and what is victory, the phrase to go to the border, it is already a long time ago to you by the way, the armed forces of ukraine canceled why because he absolutely clearly said to go to the border, this does not mean ending the war from here from the point of view of the general

military and political situation, regional , continental, global, and ours should first of all be interested in the national, we will finalize the situation not from here it is obvious and clear that the topic of negotiations from the mouths of many leaders of many countries is either a reflection and the creation of the domestic political situation or it is a reaction to some international events or as a result discussions, well, relatively speaking, biden trump and how it is necessary to understand that in democratic countries there is an appropriate election cycle, therefore periodically they forget about this motto , this topic is born, and it is necessary to understand that ukraine, as a state that knocks on the door of the civilized world, is absolutely

open. part of this information space, that's why we have such a reflection , then trump said something and a wave went to him. then someone else said and a wave went to him . it is obvious that in the situation in which we are the topic of peace negotiations, it will be heard very often why because there is one more thing from the point of view of us ukrainians, the russian-ukrainian war is a global conflict, both continental and global, but it must be understood that those who are far away from them look at it in a completely different way this is a regional conflict , moreover, the leaders of many countries and the political environment of many countries tend to isolate themselves from

this war. it does not lend itself to the principle of localization, remember we talked about freezing for 7 years, those who said that this this war does not lend itself to freezing turned out to be right , this is the first and second, exactly as is the opinion that this war can potentially continue to be preserved within the russian-ukrainian borders wars this is a mistake, this is a huge mistake, because the transfer of the wagnerites to belarus is a hint, this is an argument for those who are blind, that this war can only grow if the world does not accumulate forces and does not carry a blow against the main evil of muscovy, mr. roman, but in this case leaders of western countries, they would change their point of view, their attitude towards this regionalism, as they call it, the conflict in ukraine only in the case of a direct clash with

russia, or maybe there are some other conditions, if they changed their point of view, they can change their point of view only if it starts a change in the public attitudes of these states, because there is a direct connection between what the politician of a civilized democratic state says, because he actually wants to be at the top of the political political leadership of the society the voter accepts one position, he does not have one, i have not met in these countries such people who would go against the will of the voters if they want to be on the dam, so where is the answer to this question , the answer is that long ago, at the level of rammstein, it was necessary to unite efforts to a joint command to form a joint armed e-e association and a joint joint headquarters and joint joint efforts where

a polish, german, french, american becomes next to a ukrainian soldier to overcome this evil only then in society it will become clear in any society finally, to the polish, french, german, british, swedish, american, what is happening in ukraine, because no matter how much we actively talk , these societies do not work in principle. they live with their problems , their joys, their moods, and forgive us, and we have nothing to blame for this, but we did not give yuriy, dear listeners we gave them guarantees by getting rid of nuclear weapons of strategic aviation, we did not give guarantees according to the budapest memorandum, but not only according to the budapest memorandum. take the topic

related to the grain grain corridor we do not have our signature under the montreux convention. but why is it not implemented there? it is written in black and white that if there are actions by the state that harm the economy of business in the black sea area, appropriate actions are taken and there is a coalition even but this is not done from here. ukraine takes an absolutely correct position. we must strive to implement the norms of international law that guaranteed ukraine's security after ukraine took the first, second, third, and fourth steps, from here it is necessary to insist on this only through this association, through joint participation, it will become clear who is the origin of this evil, who is the initiator of this war, and this

will be transmitted to public sentiments because it is clear that public sentiments that do not understand what is happening, they are from this problem, blame these societies for nothing because they, i say once again, they are outside of this issue. they don't understand this war. roman. then i have a question for you. look, if these people who don't understand this issue, don't understand this war, treat it like regional conflict, can it not be that after the victory of the real victory, they will treat this victory as a regional victory of ukraine, and then, well , nato's entry into our nato will be delayed even further because, well, ukraine was able to win. okay, we will simply sign with ukraine has some kind of agreements that we, well, it is not known whether we will adhere to the security agreement, i have to pay attention to the security guarantee agreement and so on. if you say something about it in a conversation with

you, i threw such a phrase that ukraine's victory in this war on its own is not necessary, no. neither ukraine nor europe nor the world because you were absolutely right in this statement, they are absolutely right because there will be no understanding of the role played by ukraine or the role played by the world in this war because some will say we gave you everything and others will say yes and so what you gave irons there, which are twenty years old, this is already an element that has rusted a long, long time ago, you brought them here from here, uh , it is necessary to understand that we started the corresponding actions with you, that the form and content they must be so adequate and correspond to the current purpose, as for higher political

the leadership of ukraine has no answer to the question of what victory is in this war, there is none, including in europe, because some are worried about saving the face of the kremlin, others are worried about the fact that there are nuclear weapons and you need to know how to understand the border. and so on and so on and so on, we talk a lot about this topic and actually this is what makes up the set of programs of problems that need to be answered and then the path will be clear and understandable because when you don't know the goal, how will you know what you need to achieve it of this goal. and you can imagine the state in which the military command of ukraine is today when it does not know its resource, this resource depends on whether it will be possible to agree on the supply of equipment

, ammunition, equipment, etc. on the front of many countries, those countries that came to help , they are more and more silent, those that did nothing at all, they tell how successful or unsuccessful this offensive is. here is the answer to how understandable it is for the situation of the world for europe well, it is clear that whoever is most involved in this matter understands the situation very well , that is why lithuanians, poles help so much, payments, those who know what a scoop is, what a rake is and what can happen if the world does not unite, this is the truth, mr. roman uh, we have to go to a short commercial now, stay with us and all the viewers please stay, in a few minutes