[000:00:00;00] tomorrow we will pay attention, i hope, to the judicial topic, well, now i say goodbye to you and pass the word serhiy rudenko next program verdict let's watch together good evening we are from ukraine glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko i wish everyone good health and i welcome everyone to the program today error translation or negotiations, the ukrainian authorities were outraged by the statement of nato representatives that we should cede our territories, but did they correctly interpret the statements of mir zelenskyi's formula or the formula of putin's defeat, which can

force russia to stop the war moskovskyi security forum putin is preparing partners for an attack, they will talk about ukraine what to expect from the meeting of the president of turkey with the russian dictator and the security service of ukraine has shown what a surface marine drone, called a sea baby, looks like with this very weapon the security service of ukraine attacked the kerch bridge and ships of the black sea fleet and about these drones in an interview, a russian told the head of the security service of ukraine, a kid, a tour, sea surface drones, a unique invention of the sbu, no private company has anything to do with this

with the help of these drones, we recently successfully hit the crimean bridge, the large amphibious ship alinigorsk gornyak, and the zik tanker in development. there are many more operations in development and it will be a surprise, promised the head of the security service of ukraine, vasyl makyk, today we will talk about who wants to exchange and whether they actually want to exchange part of ukraine on ukraine's membership in nato, russia is spreading lies in ukraine and the world, and lukashenko, together with his defense minister, is preparing for war with nato , we will talk about all this with our guest today volodymyr ogrisko mr. volodymyr i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air i congratulate you mr. serhiy good health and i congratulate all our dear viewers for the viewers who

are now watching us on youtube i am planning a survey today it will sound like this do you support ukraine's accession to nato is a fairly simple question that has been asked in ukraine for 20 or 25 years, and we have different results of this survey, but today we are measuring our audience there, there are two options for answers: yes, no, and your option. you can leave it in the comments under this video, let's get started mr. volodymyr, the conversation is precisely on the topic of nato, because for several days we have seen how in the expert environment and social networks they are discussing what was said or not said or what was said incorrectly by the head of the staff of the nato secretary general with tian and esen, and yesterday a norwegian newspaper quoted mr. jensen in which he took up the discussion in

lease to a norwegian city, and they interpreted it as an official statement of the alliance, what jensen said, if you quote the norwegian edition. i believe that one of the solutions could be ukraine’s renunciation of the territory and nato membership in exchange for this. i don’t i say that it should be exactly so, but this could be a possible solution. what was said was immediately picked up by the rashidskyi medi and deputy head of the security council of the russian federation dmytro medvedev. he said that there are actually many more disputed territories and the disputed territory includes kyiv. if ukraine wants to well, let's say that exchanging territories for nato membership can move to lviv and make the capital there. if you are not against the poles, why, mr. volodymyr, do you think that ukrainian experts and

the media have begun to dispel this treason, although well later, nato already said that what sean jensen said was wrong , and no one forces or imposes a condition on ukraine that we change the alliance to territories that will leave russia, mr. sergey , i think that we must clearly answer one question here, who can speak on behalf of the alliance, and accordingly, this question about this is also very, very simple, on behalf of the alliance, only authorized officials , whom this gentleman was not, is not and never will be , can make statements, e.e., the nato member countries in person their leaders can make statements that go to and are in accordance with the decisions made by the alliance itself. recently

, the italians themselves were in vilnius, each leader of a nato country can, based on what is written in this document, develop the topic of the alliance's activities in that or other spheres, including relations with ukraine and prospects for joining nato, etc. and so on, the head of the office, he does not have such powers, this is, well, this is the simple truth. at various e-conferences, discussions on forums there and so on, this is his right as a... well, as a private person, but to accept his words, at the same time... i'll say frankly, i think that they were somewhat, so to speak, new... well,

not that they were torn from context and somehow yes, not so interpreted not so interpreted thank you, this very word is interpreted exactly that way, he probably wanted to say it and today he was already apologizing . e official representative who said that everything remains in force and here we do not have any changes in the position that i, however, in this regard and i was pleased that our officials very clearly and loudly put the dots in two. i think that it is very important that no one anywhere there were no doubts about the position of ukraine, what disappointed me in these discussions of our western colleagues was this continuation of this thesis that ukraine itself should determine when it will finish, with whom it will be, how it will conduct negotiations, and so on. in my opinion

this is the wrong position of the nato countries that want to washing your hands a little in this way is not a partnership or an allied position . i think that the negotiations with the defeated russia should be conducted by the nato countries and ukraine as an integral part of western civilization and dictate their terms in this defeated empire because this is our joint victory because this is what ukraine is shedding blood for today and to say that you know, then deal with russia yourself. it seems to me that this is really not the direction that nato should go. i think that we need to work on this and we will also change this false narrative of today's position of countries

alliance. by the way, people's deputy of ukraine mykola knyazhytskyi wrote on his facebook page about what he said, what kind of picture is being created. said that he knows that negotiations are already underway to give up the territory, it is a matter exclusively for ukraine, but even if someone decides to do it, ukraine should still become a member of nato, that is, mykola knyazhytskyi says that, in fact, no such negotiations are taking place and this is not the official position of the north atlantic alliance, but let's go back to the july nato summit and the participation of ukraine. ukraine wanted to receive an invitation to join the north atlantic alliance, but we were told that there is a certain procedure and there is an adapted annual national program instead of a national program, and we must go through it, but we will be in north atlantic alaska from the moment

it was announced that there is an annual national program program and that we should implement it. for some reason, i did not find any information about whether we started to implement this program, or whether we began to implement it, and what is in this program , how do we use it, how do we go about it, and what can we become 33- a nato member country next spring in washington, will we not become that is, somehow this topic is not discussed with us, why , mr. serhiu, with your permission, i will finish our previous topic and say that in the situation you mentioned with of the text on mr. knyazhytskyi, it just follows that the chief the chancellery insistently says that there are other countries that insist that ukraine should get rid of certain territories in exchange

for peace there, very transparently hinting at the chinese and some other countries of the global cock, but without saying that this is the position of nato, so i i think that we should carefully close this topic. but it seems to me that our political elite, so to speak, in this regard, should now raise the stakes precisely on this nato issue and draw a line on the fact that we are not it is necessary to separate the e-e from the post-war e so to speak, settlement from the general position of the event, we are a part of this event, we are a country that will be a member of the european union and nato, and therefore our positions must be joint and agreed with regard to the annual

national program. in fact, because when we were denied the national program, we were given the same annual national program, which is, in principle , the same national program, with the only exception that it does not create mechanisms of interdependence, so to speak, because the national program is a tool that assumes that there is an applicant country and there is nato in the person of the secretary general of the structures that conduct an analysis of what is happening in this country and they interact in the paradigm of the student and the teacher, but in such a very strong connection , that is, the teacher checks the teacher prompts the teacher insists the student performs e in the format of the annual national program e-e such and such e-e well there is no clear connection that is, you

are a student you studied e-e you also listen to what the teacher tells you and perform well is it good executive not well performed these are your problems , the teacher is here where he simply insists is watching what you are doing, that's actually the whole difference in formats, that is, in fact, we could have done everything that was written in those requirements for a long time, the question is that our political elites, unfortunately, did not want to do it based on many reasons, so now they sergey was asked a question by our viewers about his attitude to joining nato, and i remember the times when one of the political forces that was in yushchenko's government did not want ukraine to become a member of the alliance and did everything to remove this topic from the agenda. why ago what can you already name this force, it's yulia tymoshenko's bloc, it was, well, yes. that is, why, because

at that time, the level of support of our population was at a high level, so why was it necessary to break spears and to do something that is not supported by the majority of the population, it is better to play populism in my opinion that it is not the right time for this we do not need it and so on and so on , accordingly the question why do we take so long to do the things that were supposed to be done in 3- 4 well, a maximum of five years, except for the topic of nato and this rather strange statement yesterday today the russian public and the russian media are spreading the word, today the russians are quite active using one informational psychological special operation about what they say putin is going

to blow up zaporizhia again at the end of august and at the beginning of september. the topic is already in our media, because our media are picking up on it, and the information appeared today at once on three state e-e sources and in three state sources of the russian federation, it is not ria novosti and they report to their interfex there that some e-e ukrainian special forces are apparently going to africa and this mi 6 seems to support this action in order to take part in the destruction or sabotage of e-e on the territory of those countries that are negotiating with the russian federation well, what in this situation , vladimir, in what way should ukraine resist these informational and psychological special operations, because it is clear that russia

quite actively trades in fear in the world, that is, they are constantly intimidating everyone. uh, they produce weapons and trade in fear, well, apparently, in addition to gas and oil, these are also two highly profitable shares or assets for putin that he owns there, because uh, the fear that he is trying to sow among western society and the fear that he is still trying to sow among the ukrainians, he pushes the leaders of western countries to take some apparently wrong steps and draw some conclusions for the ukrainians that ukrainians can oppose well, serhiy is probably talking about a hybrid war, that is, there is a war on the battlefield , which is obvious and understandable, but success in this

war, including, depends on what is done externally , what is done in political circles, how they perceive information , and so on, and so on. of this psychological war and she uses these opportunities every time, this is what we have already gone through, what we have today, what will remain until the time before the empire exists, therefore there is nothing extremely new here, and you just have to be every day ready for the fact that we will hear about some other topics that are absolutely fantastic in their er, in their stupidity, but which will be accelerated in order to sow distrustful panic, i am absolutely right here when you say fear , i trade this fear so that er, someone somewhere is possible

-e made the decision that will be in the interests of this nedo empire, so i think that it is important for us to just be on topic, be in good shape, you understand that you must always be ready for such things. and best of all, how do we know that the best is the best defense is er attack er form the agenda in the information space that is beneficial to us well, for example, today i read that in russia , a selection was published that some er told to clear up about the so-called crimes of the kyiv military in the 20 er 23rd years i guarantee that in a few days, this topic will already be in the un security council, and

the well-known, well-known diplomat, liar , will wave this book and say that ukrainians are doing riots and so on. a 90° angle question, and we published 10 such books about the crimes of russians in to ukraine about the real crimes they committed because they because their er ... well, i don't know, our prosecutor general says about 90,000 already documented, the information base is used by us so that every ministry of foreign affairs and every normal country has a list of these documents so that we er- they were represented accordingly so that the public knew about them and so on and so on this is what is a real way to prevent any russian special operations we should instead of these operations

promote those are absolute facts which confirm the aggressiveness of the russian federation, crimes and high-ranking officials, crimes and military personnel , and so on. and so on . this is our truth. russia will have no chance. and if we wait for some other false information to appear, we will refute it , well, then we will simply be late and catch up with the one who creates the facts. although they are also false, mr. volodymyr, yesterday the list of participants of the g20 summit, which is to be held in new delhi on september 9 and 10, was made public . among the invited countries are many countries

, including russia . 5 countries that are not members of the g20 are bangladesh, egypt , mauritius, the netherlands, nigeria, singapore , spain and the united arab emirates , western media are writing that putin is still deciding whether to go to india personally or not, we know that at the last summit of the g20, putin will not be there, and in the event that at the beginning of september, ukraine will not be at this summit and zelensky will not be represented at this summit, but putin will be represented, what will this mean for ukraine and for the world, experts think that it is very

a serious mistake by the leadership of india, which continues to play, in fact, on the side of the russian federation, this actually causes both surprise and sadness, and we should take it into account in all our bilateral relations with this country, to the great regret of india instead of er actually helping in the settlement of this conflict er takes the line on er looking for some compromises on the actual economic aid of russia by buying too much although now and here there are certain problems because er the russians have nothing to do with indian groups which are not convertible into hard currency, and therefore the increase of these rupees for russian industrialists also does not make much sense, and now sales volumes are sharply reduced, but

this means that india, unfortunately, still does not understand that this is the position of the school that national interests, and i really think that putin will not be there , of course, he is so scared that he will not go under any circumstances because he is afraid for his life, but the fact that zelensky will not be there remotely. it seems to me that this is a mistake that we must take into account in the future vision of our bilateral relations with india . perhaps there is still some time. perhaps the situation can still be changed, but the fact of such an announcement without ukraine talks

about a lot, mr. volodymyr, but it does not depend on it only from india it is obvious that the agenda of the g20 is formed not only by the country that hosts this same one, in general, the leaders of 20 countries there, they have some kind of council or p. sergey, when the country that organizes the event, e.e. can invite whoever it considers appropriate but of course, with certain consultations with other participants, but here it is not about the fact that ukraine should participate in some uh- uh purely already uh-uh such uh-uh profile uh-uh meetings of this forum, in fact, usually in such cases it is about opportunity to do an appeal to the participants to express their position eh and and actually everything eh that's why i still think that this is eh some kind of

ill-conceived, unreasonable eh step of the indian leadership and it's very sad that it takes place, i still hope that our allies will be able to better explain to the prime minister of this country that such a policy will actually play against him against the national interests of his country . please tell me, mr. volodymyr, don't you have the feeling that the ukrainian topic is gradually somehow receding into the background ago well, i understand that the gladesh bank and the mauritians should probably be at the meeting at the g20 summit, but until now ukraine was the country that determined, without exaggeration , the future of the world order, the future of world security, the future of what will happen in europe, in asia, yes

or otherwise, the future of many political leaders depends on what is happening in ukraine now, because any statements, including zelensky's , can affect the internal ratings of politicians in the west and not only in the west, the world is tired of ukraine. i think that this is still the position of a specific head of a specific country of the twenty-somethings and you mentioned the retreats of two small countries. well, they are just neighboring india. and this once again confirms my words that the organizers can invite them as guest observers whatever. this is the right of the organizer of such an event. but fortunately, global problems are not solved in india and india is not solving them, nor are they solved by south africa or brazil, with all due respect to these countries and what they do, but they are not

the players. the world arena, what the hell can affect what the next world will be like, this is the prerogative of civilized countries, if someone there did not perceive it, because they have economic power, they have military power, they have the most important thing, they have democratic values, so i think after all let's not overestimate this event. let's take it into account, but let's not draw global negative conclusions for ukraine from it. i think that the victory of ukraine on the battlefield will force such leaders to justify themselves and find

words. why they were on the other side history is not white black this month, it is obvious that on august 31, according to the mass media, a meeting between putin and zerdagan will take place, the president of turkey has invited the president of russia to visit his country , it is obvious that among the many issues that exist in bilateral relations between turkey and russia, there will also be questions about the future of ukraine regarding of the future grain corridor or whether it will be a grain corridor or not , i read the russian press, they say that they are something, they are inventing a new formula, what kind of corridor will it be and in what way will it be how do you currently assess the possibilities of erdoğan and erdoğan, who for the past year and a half has demonstrated to the whole world that he can put his head in the mouth of a lion, a russian lion

or a bear, he always does, of course , taking into account his own interest the national and interest of turkey, but strangely enough, this is one of the few countries in the world that still shakes putin ’s hand. who meets him despite this warrant from the international criminal court? can erdogan influence putin in any way, not only with regard to the grain corridor, but also with regard to what there must be an end to the russian-ukrainian war and speed up the finalization of the war and force or push putin to the point that he has to give up some of his principles that putin considers to be his principles i think what is it to call putin a lion or is it from me we lost these nice animals i would still take the hygiene here eh it is more

suitable to eh who is putin in fact well it is hot so to speak but if we talk in essence i have a hard time imagining what route he will fly -e now e-e putin to turkey, if it flies and i doubt it very much, because now everything can happen to the black sea , it is becoming more and more dangerous to fly , and if it even reaches the black sea then i can't imagine what and what will happen to him, what is more correct to talk about erdogan, because no matter what erdogan is, i still represented ukraine to the alliance, and even though turkey occupies a rather specific role in the alliance er, it doesn't always seem like the right position to me, but positive er,