[000:00:00;00] and we talked about the occupied territories, i can't help but ask you, but the day before, we heard a statement from the chief of staff of the secretary general, nat, who admitted that ukraine could become a member of the alliance in exchange for giving up part of its territory, although later it was called a mistake, there was a very violent reaction in society we have heard harsh statements from officials . we will talk about this further from a political point of view. let's say to speed up this process, you know, i didn't quite understand, the point is that we can be accepted into nato only after we restore control over all territories , or, or, in principle , another decision can be made, uh, but this decision demands a cessation of hostilities, i am asking for my own lead . well, let's be honest, there is an example of the federal republic of germany, which was accepted into nato with the awareness

that part of the territory of germany and which, by all sides, were the winners in the second world war during the war, the territory of a unified state was under the occupation of the soviet union, but there were slightly different situations, there were slightly different languages, and the enemy was defeated there, and in principle, no one, er, well, as they say, did not even discuss the issue that the territory should be a single germany simply one territory, two states, as they used to say, the situation in our country is radically different, because the enemy has already announced the annexation of those territories that are not recognized by the world community. and to allow such a format today is to lead to such an avalanche-like situation when there will be problems in other directions, believe me, even on the territory of europe, there are at least several so-called dormant conflicts, well, it is enough

to mention the basque country in catalonia, and it is enough to mention the very difficult situation in the baltic states , so it is unlikely that nato to take such a careless step and actually they themselves have already refuted and said that it was a mistake of silence and so on why we actually expected from them and the most important thing is that our reaction was so unequivocal sharp or as you said stormy it is very good and you see that not a single participant in these uh-uh, let's say processes did not defend himself or somehow tried to downplay this fallacious statement, what a plan, and that's very good , mr. sergey, let's go back to the front. and today we can officially talk about the release of the harvester about what opportunities it opens up for ukrainian defenders, how important this settlement is from the point of view of military strategy , from the military point of view well, here the strategy

is a little bit too much, but from a military point of view from the point of view or even from the point of view of operational art, it is necessary to understand that the exit to the harvest means that we have come close to the so-called surovikin line and this allows us to say that we are starting to enter directly into this surovikin line and interrupt this line is to break through the line of defense, sorry, what does this mean for us, the crushing of the russian defense begins , i.e. if this happens in 2-3 more areas or if at least in one area, we can talk about a violation of the unity of the system of defense precisely in this direction on this line at these positions what will allow us to talk about, in the event of a successful crushing breakthrough, the destruction of the enemy's control system, the destruction of his logistical communications, and the possibility of entering the operational space in order to already make a breakthrough, bypassing the enemy's girth encirclement and destruction or

to force the enemy to e-e a quick retreat e-e in order to avoid encirclement thus e-e from an operational point of view e-e yield is such you know initial e-e signal symbol if do you want that we will continue our offensive that we can look at this situation you know with such a certain a-a very cautious but optimistic that is what what was before this starting from the fourth of june it was not for nothing and we reached that line hi with heavy battles, but still we continue here and there is no sign that we are stopping anywhere , for today there is no command of the ground forces , tits announced a number of important decisions that will be taken for the defense of the police in this triangle kupyansk criminal and lyman there

fighting has been going on since january, russia tried to completely occupy luhansk region, advance on the lost territories on donetsk region or not. and why do you think russia is breaking through to kupyansk right now? and when it loses positions in other areas, photo why is kupyansk so important to it? well, you know, i wouldn't say that it's important, you just have to understand that russia carried out, as you said , offensive actions on fairly wide areas of the front from kupyansk, in fact, to crimea , trying to penetrate our territory, and even on the map it can be seen that, in principle , even with the exit to the kupyan situation , there will not be a drastic deterioration for the ukrainian defense forces, so here we can consider well, there are two such assumptions that look quite likely, namely the efforts of the russian federation in any way to restore control over those territories that they lost, and this is done, as they say, for internal consumption, to show what they call and you know how they say, to sneak a peek in the event

that their front in the south crumbles, well i.e. to break through somewhere and declare i see kupyansk nodal, let's say it's an outstanding victory and it covers all the losses there, all of the whole day, and the second reason is related exclusively to military expediency, namely to the conduct of diversionary operations, because the enemy is thus trying as much as possible as much as possible to divert the attention of our offensive attack units or our guard forces from the southern direction forcing us as he thinks to transfer significant reserves in order to stop the advance enemy in this direction, we prepared for such actions in advance, we understood that certain steps would be taken against them in this direction , therefore we concentrated the appropriate, as they say , set of troops in order to carry out military operations, excluding the possibility of movement of our joint reserves, but the situation is very

difficult because it continues, the enemy is pressing incredibly hard, our guys can't hold back, looking at the opportunity for our colleagues , our guys in the south, to carry out the following operations, and in the comments for funation time said that russian operations do not have a strategic nature, so what do you mean by such localized attacks in an attempt to recapture positions? and why do you think this is so and how does it generally affect events along the entire front line in order for the operation to have a strategic nature they must have a certain level of support and awareness of what they are doing, russia, from a strategic point of view , was not ready for such a development of events as the frantic resistance of ukraine and the transition to a counteroffensive as support for our western allies, so it has nothing to offer from from a strategic point of view, they declare the necessity of the occupation of the entire territory of ukraine, but you know

that declaring and having the resources for this are completely different things, so they try to act reactively by solving certain issues that they are actually capable of having resources certain resources and certain opportunities and in this way they act just like that you know impulsive actions er reacting to our attacks on our actions that is if we are talking about the kupyan direction they are trying desperately to advance somewhere in order to force us to focus on this direction, and as for the southern direction , they are desperately trying to distribute reserves , smear reserves. if you want the distance of the entire line of the southern front, exposing ourselves to danger and so on and so on today we are talking about the fact that russia does not have the resources to carry out full-scale e-e operations of an operational

nature of an operational level, this is precisely what the conclusions of the representative of the main intelligence department are related to, have you heard mr. sergey, thank you very much for joining the broadcast for your comments serhii grabsky, military experts and reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, thank you, an important decision to strengthen the defense of kupyansk was announced by the commander of the ground forces, oleksandr syrskyi, he announced that the assault units of the russian federation, which daily try to break through the defense of the armed forces to to capture kupyansk consists mainly of prisoners about the invaders' attempts to advance on the kupyansk frontier, the matchmaking criminal writes, and at the same time, the institute for the study of war adds that the defense forces are moving forward in this direction, but the operations of the armed forces in the area of ​​bakhmut create a disappointing situation for the occupiers, the report says, with reference to the data of the so-called russian

military commanders, experts add that currently the defense forces control the dominant heights and forest areas around important settlements well, the institute's analysts also noted that combat clashes continued on the avdiyivka-donetsk line, but none of the sides managed to advance in this area . institute of the study of war noted that the armed forces of ukraine conducted counteroffensive operations in at least three areas of the front and advanced in the luhansk region and the western part of the zaporizhzhia region serhii zhirovatei, the spokesman for the eastern group of the armed forces of ukraine joins our broadcast mr. serhiy my greetings good evening good evening please tell me more details about the situation in the bakhmut kupyan estuary direction, here we heard mr. sirsky's statements about a number of important decisions .

about the lyman kupyan direction, recently the commander worked there in detail , understood the situation, listened to everyone, who is responsible for the key directions of the commanders , gave methodical advice, sent our units with firepower where necessary i was convinced of the construction of reliable defense lines, the supply of logistical routes, the delivery of ammunition, the evacuation of our wounded and such other things that are connected with the strengthening of the defense , therefore, there is no doubt that a powerful defense has been built there, and that the enemy's assaults on decline for the time being they are regrouping they are forced under our strikes and the powerful repulse that we gave them there to regroup in order to continue trying to attack the past yesterday there was literally only one attack on this in this direction

today four i use active enemy artillery 541 times on the nose a strike on laman in the direction of kupyan in our positions is more. he uses 15 air raids and attack helicopters here, and we ask for the deployment of combat reactors and attack aircraft during the repulse enemy etag 49 occupants destroyed 118 pairs one was captured destroyed enemy armored car e-e two howitzers d-30 three mortars two safe ammunition lancets and four warehouses with ammunition warehouses with ammunition one of the priority for our artillery and this day was good for in this direction, we found four warehouses with ammunition in the bakhmut e-e direction, along with the fact that we also symmetrically destroyed 4 warehouses with ammunition, another warehouse with fuel and lubricants, six e-e trucks that transported ammunition if

let's talk about the bakhmut direction in more detail, there also the enemy used active artillery to stop our movement 505 times . that is, we see in two directions more than 500 fired at our positions, eh , five air raids were carried out. captured three bmp vorozok destroyed havytsa d-30 as i already said 4 + ammunition one with fuel and lubricants and kirill these ee-e taking care of the ammunition destroyed p serhii, you mentioned that in some places they attack in some places began to attack less. and is it possible to single out some separate areas where, say, the enemy

is counterattacking the most . - and in the direction of kupyansk is a priority for them, they pay a lot of attention to it and even write about some pseudo-victories on their telegram channels , and also during this day there was a stealth attack where they they tried to attack, but all their attacks were stopped, and their main achievement during this day, as well as during the previous ones, is huge losses . general syrsky says that the units that are now on kupyansk are formed mainly from prisoners and are going to attack. and who are generally sent to fight in this direction, in the eastern direction, bakhmutsky and limansk , kupyansk, because you mentioned recently that the number of forces there is the same as at the peak of the soviet military presence in afghanistan. and who there has changed, so to speak, personal

the composition of those who are currently fighting in the east of ukraine from the side of russia yes, but here it must be said that even the soviet group in afghanistan was better prepared because , although there were conscript soldiers, as a rule, the officer composition , e.e. for many years, those soldiers who even served their military service were trained quite well in the so-called uchikh training centers. now , what the commander said, and what he meant by the prisoners, he meant against storms z is such quasi replacements for wagner, they are afraid to carry out a full-fledged mobilization for the time being, and the circumstances force them to do so. they carry it out covertly, they carry it out alternatively. i would say due to the administrative pressure of local administrations , they drive into the territorial troops or the combat army reserve e.e. personnel and also

the so-called storm companies are formed under the military leaders, which anti-social elements are formed in people who have problems with the law, people are formed who are either in prison or have a risk of getting there being under a suspended sentence. and it is from them that they are trying to make such assaults if the units that broke through our first line were allowed to break through and then introduce the following units, but even their most successful product, wagner, which was essentially a private army, could not do it. moreover, these storm z uhu . today i mentioned the comment of vadim skibitsky, the representative of the general directorate of intelligence of the ministry of defense . the kupyan direction do not have a strategic a-a military character that these are only localized attacks. can you confirm or deny such words from the position of the general staff of the armed forces? well, not from the position of the general staff. i will say exactly our position from

the position at the front and we. said in his comments that if we recall the constructive a little bit in the spring they promised a big offensive , that is , strategic we analyze up to 4 to 10 assaults, there is a platoon of a company to a battalion group, and, as a rule , this is not always a full-fledged army unit, and as you and i said , stormzet companies, that is, various types of quasi-formations or proxies, as they are called in professional language, and western analysts call them proxy er groups, that is, disguised pendant groups, but from other structures, er, therefore, of course, they have no strategy . moreover, we repeatedly emphasized that after the failure near kyiv, where they counted on a blitzkrieg, they are not acting

proactively, i.e. imposing their catch and according to the great strategic plan a reactively reacting to our actions reacting to the actions of the outside world to help us reacting to a-a circumstances that are developing on the battlefield, that is, of course, they do not have an active strategy at the moment, mr. sergey, thank you very much for taking the time to join the broadcast serhii cherevaty serhii, the spokesman for the eastern part of the armed forces of ukraine, was in direct contact with us. thanks already to almost 350 people, of whom more than a hundred children were evacuated from the kupyan district of kharkiv oblast from the previous during the week there is a mandatory evacuation of the regions where the shelling has settled and the local authorities have made a decision to expand the zone that people should leave. this is primarily about the settlements that are closest to the front line

. only the cuban district was liberated, our guys entered, our military, we immediately began to expose the civilian population because this day we continue to do this what is the number of your house, you can literally get down i changed my mind, a lot of people are trying to leave. the most important is the kupyan district . this is

krugliakivka . the sound of the box can be said that we will put it on the middle of the seats there, we are passing by, we don't want to come, why did they call, so they said you will see the children because they didn't leave the arrivals and

it's very scary, and for the sake of the children, they left a lot . let them decide. well, what did they say to evacuate it? they bomb every day on the fifth floor, they are terrible and it won't happen, and they decided to leave me, everyone is like that, and you understand everything, i'm old enough that there is an announcement of our contacts, there are also military administrations, they also spread information about evacuation, where are our contacts telephones, uh, people call us. we accept the application, we process it, and there is also feedback from these people, then we directly go to each address

. pans, kettles, so we are stopping here, this is my guardian angel, and he saved me, he brings good to the headquarters of the general secretary of the alliance. he discussed this with a norwegian newspaper on tuesday the day before, how they reacted in kyiv and moscow, and whether there were further statements from nato, we will ask at our colleague in brussels, elena abramovych . she is in direct contact with us. elena, i congratulate you. we know that there have already been initial reactions . please tell me in more detail. congratulations colleagues. comment and received a reply with a link to another explanatory comment

from the head of the nato general staff , and he gave it today to the same norwegian newspaper , where they explained that due to the considerable resonance caused in ukraine and russia, he must elaborate on his words before the official said all this that he should not have said that and that it was a mistake and explained that he meant exactly the adoption of any decision by the alliance and the choice of kyiv, that is , it was about the fact that the western partners must take care of a normal future and security ukraine's war in ukraine did not start in 2022, it started in 2014. we are interested in ensuring that this does not happen again on the day the war ends, regardless of how it ends, and then ukraine must receive reliable security guarantees in an interview that was published on earlier janson said that he believed that the solution for ukraine could be to give up the territory and

obtain membership in nato, he noted that the discussion of the possible status of ukraine after the war is already taking place and that this is the idea of ​​​​concessions of territories to ukraine put forward others, but he did not specify who exactly. well, in kyiv, the secretary of the national security and defense council and the spokesperson of the ministry of foreign affairs and the adviser to the head of the president's office also reacted, but the discussions were held at the appropriate level without the intervention of high-ranking officials, such as ministers. and in these comments, they insisted that such a variant of a bad peace is not acceptable . however, there is collusion in moscow, always based on the fact that the alliance and ukraine do not trade territories, knowingly or unknowingly, the participation of nato officials in shaping the narrative about the possibility of ukraine's relinquishment of its territories plays into the hands of russia to exchange the territory for a nato umbrella is strange, that is, to deliberately go to the loss of democracy, to encourage a global criminal, to preserve the russian

regime, to destroy international law, and to necessarily transfer the war to other generations. secretary of the national security and defense council oleksiy danilov, meanwhile on the air , the telethon, the only news, called the nato representative's comment a strange throw-in, which is not completely unclear, why it was made . well, mykhailo podolyak also insisted that if putin will not suffer a crushing defeat if the political regime in russia does not change, war criminals will not be punished, then the war will definitely return with increased appetites of russia well, actually moscow's appetites have already been written off by dmytro medvedev, who currently holds the position of deputy head of the russian security council . he wrote that the idea is interesting, but the question is that all ukrainian territories are very controversial. in his opinion, in order to join nato, ukraine will have to give up even kyiv itself and move the capital to lviv

. thank you colleagues olena olena abramovych from brussels was with us in direct contact, thank you well, i'm just now joining our broadcast valery chaly i apologize to the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador ambassador of ukraine to the united states in 2015-2019 p valery can you hear me good evening i congratulate you glory to ukraine to the heroes glory i unfortunately i don't see you, but let's start the conversation with the latest news , yes, it's a mistake, they say in nato, and to what extent such mistakes are acceptable, considering the resonance they caused in society. how often do they happen? there is no principle to discuss further here. but i will say only two things. these ideas are of such a nature. they are not the first time that they have been discussed by experts. the only

thing is that everyone forgets one thing, at the same time, what should be decided in such a plan as the exchange is going on. territory is simply impossible for two reasons. the first reason is purely internal ukrainian, because the constitution forbids the president or parliament to give territory, and the second reason is that our official structures reacted that then it will not bring peace, it will only bring continuation of the war, so i think it is bad that the russians took advantage of this. you have already shown that this is bad, and i believe that first of all, i respect the head of the private office of the secretary general, he is a smart person, but yes.

mood - it would be very wrong but still, in general, these are the statements. do you think there will be any conversations within nato because of this error? i will answer your question. next, there is an assumption that jensen's statements can to be a kind of sounding, more precisely, there are such positions. some e-e experts say that it is a sounding of public sentiments , how do ukrainians feel about it, as well as the ukrainian government , and is it even possible to trade with putin? and does such a version seem plausible to you, you still want to talk about this, well, look at the account in response to your question, the situation , i emphasize once again that in discussions i heard such a statement last year in march, i will remind you that there was

a different situation then there was a so-called ukrainian delegation there, there were some previous ones agreements and in a strange way all these conversations got into the eyes. and maybe some territories cannot be decided immediately. putin shook things up with this document. well, in fact, it is not a document, thank god it did not become a document, it shook things up and showed the african leaders that ukraine agreed, i will tell you that then this discussion is really in in ukrainian society, it took place in an expert environment, so there is nothing to probe, everyone has already given answers to such a variant of ukraine, it is impossible to protest. accept ukraine and you say that this is not the first time and in general how popular are such ideas among representatives of the west so that their countries do not get tired of the war and how long

the west can still support ukraine in this russian-ukrainian war how popular are such ideas in general if you are talking about the idea of ​​exchanging territory, then it is not a viable thing if such an expert listens to them somewhere , then marry them because they are not experts, they do not know three things about ukrainian internal legislation, they do not know the mood of the ukrainian people and do not i guess they heard the official statements of president zelenskyi. that’s all. what kind of expert is this? well, then let’s move on to the international news of the g20 itself. there is already a list of invitees, and it will take place in less than a month in the indian capital. among the invitees, there is russia , but there is no ukraine what it means and how it can be used by the kremlin, i gave a brief assessment that this is