[000:00:00;00] defender defender, we return to the conversation with andriy ryzhenko and volodymyr zablotskyi, we talk about ukraine's capabilities in the war at sea, but how can we act, and now mr. volodymyr told us about what our partners can and cannot do for us

and here, mr. andriy, but still, well, in what way, then, could they help, well, at least in unblocking our ports for our partners, but if um, well, they can't get us additional additional ships , then what could they do in that place, well ships are taken, only small ships with a water tonnage of up to 300 tons can be taken, and it would be possible to consider , for example, when throwing them on the danube river or by other means of transport, for example, the boats will be uniform up to the state of the ton, they can be transported by rail transport or road transport well, if you remember somewhere 3-4 years ago, it was actively discussed . even the american government approved

the sale of 16 mark-6 boats to us. we have 75 t. it is a very powerful boat. it is a multi multi. it is designed multifunctionally, it can perform tasks such as assault actions with the participation of marines from special forces, it can carry out mine countermeasures, it can perform some patrol functions, and i think that it is possible to install a-ah, at least short-radius markets actions of artillery and perhaps there were even such conversations that you can put a missile against the ship's classic, that is , such a boat can come. well, it is possible to deliver it without the bosphorus. well, as for those ships that we ordered, i i say that i can say that it is even a good thing that we cannot bring them into the black sea now because they will simply be destroyed, they are very

big russia having such an advantage, let's say in the strike potential, it will simply concentrate , well, the maximum effort in order to, for example, the same corvette was destroyed, all the more well, he will say, well, now the only base point for him is this odesa, it is not the best city for this, there are partners who have catherine the great, so nudity up to 300 before they are decommissioned, they can carry missiles to manage, you need to talk to them actively and, in principle, even the presence of four of the same missile boats. it can, well, let's say, be very useful for us. if they give us a, and then again, this is a very good weapon for striking the bases of ships, and here this missile very fast on a moving

pair ballistic trajectory and movement is well and the speed is 5m5.5 km per second it is very fast it can er reach the target nudrons about the drone i again said that in 16 planes if we have them they carry missiles harpoon, that is, as it were, well, this is a variant of the neptune missile, the harpoon missile, as well as a coastal system, it is necessary to think about the fact that after the release of this corridor, which is now being bought by the russian federation of the azov region, our system should also be on the azov coast, so that there, in principle, the distances are small ah, and there is even closer, well, let’s say there, you can control hmm , that means already, and let’s say, even the taman peninsula or boats, unmanned aerial vehicles, and well , that’s actually what the whole army is waiting for, i.e.

f-16 planes and rocket long-range missile weapons that is to say, these are all components , including our war at sea , exactly the same, but vladimir. well, look, er, if you want to recall the beginning of the war, then all this was not obvious . over our capabilities, as mr. andriyu said until 12:00, and at the same time, it is also not a secret that, in fact , most of our fleet was captured or destroyed in 2014, even at the time of the seizure of crimea, and yet what was the problem with russia? well, why not land a landing force in

in the end, they were not able to reach odesa , nor was there a complete bloc of deportees, that is, as a result, it still limits the capabilities of the russian federation at sea now, including from the very beginning it limited the possibilities of landing an amphibious assault. neptune-type systems, and the enemy knew that they were there, so he approached odessa, but did not risk landing a second time. they kept it, well, and strengthened the debt defense, well, accordingly, then it should be remembered that the amphibious assault by itself could not be landed, er, the amphibious assault , er, it was part of the operation to capture the black sea region and cut off ukraine from the sea , first of all, it had to be a successful offensive

operation of the enemy through mykolaiv to odesa, but mykolaiv was defended, including our marines, and therefore we had to forget about the landing, then the battles in donbas began , from that side we can say which were on the ships of the black sea fleet, the baltic fleet and the northern fleet, a total of 13 units uh, it was involved, including on land. and now they don’t have the potential that they had last year, besides, of these 13 ships, uh, one was sunk in berdyansk by a point u2 missile, they were damaged and are under repair until now days this is tsesarkonikov and novocherkassk, they uh, they received um, significant damage from explosions on the pier there in berdyansk, and although they reached sevastopol on their own, but they were burned , they had killed and wounded on board

, including their commander. well, and repair them it is very difficult er one polish er expert er maximiliantura who is the er editor-in-chief of difference 24 he even suggested that one of these two ships could have been damaged on october 29 during the drone attack on sevastopol, they were standing there in repairs, and one of the videos showed very clearly how the drone was approaching the side of the project 775 ship, after that the image disappears, it allows you to miss the fact that there was an explosion and the ship was damaged in addition to what it received in berdyansk, er, so that's already three ships minus

and to this should be added the olenihorsk gornyak four ships 413, almost 30% minus the rest, the rest is what they need , what do they use them for? to kerch and to mariupol, well, to mariupol so far theoretically, but from the first of the first day of the current month, a new naval district was created there, which should ensure the defense of the azov coast and prevent the exit, well, contribute to the army's clean, but well i think they haven't yet it will be possible, here is the value, including the damage to the golnigorsk miner, in that we minus one more ship and they have nine out of 13 left, two of which we minus

are also old ships of the 60s, built. this means, well, two outdated thistles 11.71 project well, this is how it turns out. that is, the name is less cargo, more must be imported, and the bridge was also blown up. that's right. this is the situation . well, in summary, we can say that about uh-uh, once again try to land an amphibious assault somewhere. odessa, so far they don't have to dream, but mr. andriyu, this is what you have to say the question: everything, i think it worries everyone, after all, the caliber that is launched from the black sea remains a problem for us, and when can we reach a situation when these calibers will not be launched from there, what should be done for this? until then, it is possible to destroy

these ships or submarines when they are located at the base points , it is possible to do it, well, most likely , with long-range missiles or, well, with cruise missiles or attacks with a cartridge, it is a little more difficult because , well, now the enemy has greatly strengthened the defense of sevastopol, the sea drone there is waxy, although it is possible that there is something like that. well, from the parking lot at the base points, and sea drones could be used, again, ours is possible during the departure of these ships from the base point and even submarines, because the submarines leave the base point in one position, but well, our coastal complexes are somehow intercepting them

, it is unlikely that they understand that this threat is not, in principle, so far, this is the vision, if there is aviation, again, aviation will be easier if will make an underwater drone. by the way, it will be very good because, well, we know where the submarines are, and well, it is possible to react somehow, we theoretically have anti-black aviation, it is now used in these areas, ah, well, to destroy submarines that shoot caliber and it is, let's say, impractical and very dangerous, because in russia, again, there is dominance in the air in the air defense systems around the crimea, probably the last issue. well, on august 8, ukraine announced the establishment of corridors for the movement of civilians

ships from the black sea ports black sea ports well earlier these routes were already proposed by ukraine for the international maritime organization eh actually this is primarily for those ships that are in the ports of chornomorsk odesa pivdenny at the beginning of the war and here the question arises, mr. volodymyr, to you first of all how can we protect the traffic along this corridor, the limitations of the possibilities will be audible, we will need aviation here, we will need allies from the point of view well, they managed to at least cover uh, here is this section somehow there well, i don’t know how to do it with my capabilities. and the main thing is to cover it from the air, that is, to provide us with aircraft and defense systems. this solved the issue. here , it would close the entire critical area, including our ports, because the

danube, which is the primary target for enemy attacks recently, we understand that this is not just an attempt , it is an attempt to knock out a competitor in the grain market , it is an attempt to cause economic damage to us, and it is ultimately an attempt to block ukraine, and not only from the point of view of ukrainian exports. grains, metals, etc. and imports , because we received a lot of things by sea before the war, and at the moment we cannot do this, i have already seen an assessment that the unblocking of ports and the possibility of transporting from them, well, the black one means that of odessa, in the first place , would give us there 18 billion e-e dollars seems to be dollars yes e-e a year and that’s well , it’s a big enough part of our gdp and in general merchandise turnover, so it’s an important task, that’s why this

little war is important enough for us, and thank you for being able to talk about it thank you andrii vyrizhenko is a captain of the first rank of the reserve of the navy of the armed forces of ukraine and volodymyr zablotskyi, a naval expert of defense express, also a retired captain of the first rank. thank you to my guests. well , watch more. there will be a lot more interesting things on the espresso tv channel. andriy yanitskyi keeps the economy under control . by supervision, yes, we are talking about economic news on the espresso channel, but this is not about dry numbers and arrogant terms, this is about the economy, it is about the ability to analyze , forecast and profit, but what will be the exchange rates of salaries and pensions and how the prices of products will change, information about everything that affects our wallet, and informed means armed

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. we will work, we will have a conversation, we will listen to our expert guests on a very important topic, the topic is called what demotivates ukrainian society, how to resist it, how to keep the brain, soul, morale in a normal state and confront the enemy in the key period of this great war. i will say very briefly that tonight the enemy struck mainly in the western regions of our country, three people died, many fires, a lot of destruction in the regions themselves, enemy rockets flew in the lviv region where i am now 15 years injured 40 houses clearly damaged did he count six explosions, they say that there were more of them, in any case , the enemy was on a rampage that night, er, air defense tried er, having the resources it has in various regions of our country to repel enemy attacks, we must understand that today the air defense system covers groups of the armed forces of ukraine on the front line, plus there are other key directions , these air defense systems are not always and not everywhere enough, but they fought

back as best they could . a political expert is a writer and a deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine of the fourth convocation, volodymyr . i congratulate you . - they can attack somewhere, they are fighting back very actively , they are throwing in the enemy about the fact that the war will be long, that the enemy will fight to the last ukrainian, somewhere they throw in information that the west is also counting on a long war, it does not add to ukraine the weapons that ukraine needs internal treason corruption embezzlement lawlessness e-e absolutely some amazing behavior of individual officials during the war e-e departure of ukrainians abroad information that ukrainians

will leave and they will not return so what will happen next what will happen then how will we live and people have the feeling that this is some kind of hell that will never end , there is no light at the end of the tunnel. and this demotivates even in the period when we have to be strong and press the enemy or stand and press him further. many people give up. i wanted i would like to call you a person who is constantly in this information flow, monitors, monitors, analyzes, tries to understand the information and the origin of this information, to explain to our viewers that today in this period , in your opinion, ukrainian society is the most demotivating, well, in our case, after a year and a half of war, the biggest demotivator is uh , a certain helplessness of the authorities in uh, in many fields, especially in the economy, now there is a great

impoverishment of people, according to certain statistics, now every fourth person is below the poverty line, but well let's put it this way, polls in certain groups showed that half of the population lives below the poverty line , and this is very, very stressful. well, psychologically, ukrainians are ready to endure. we see, uh, when representatives of the ruling party renew their car fleet , go for a ride abroad, well, in general, they treat the mandate of a people's deputy with disdain, and when they see that it starts for them, well, for many

representatives of the government, staying in a powerful the party now becomes, let's say, a factor of a certain danger, that is, they quite easily part with their mandates , that is, they do some demache that will definitely end in the deprivation of their mandate, and this makes their life easier because they are convinced that, in principle , nothing in particular threatens them after all, some elements of democracy remain for their own, and for political opponents , as always, the law, i.e. logic, franco works in the ukrainian state. the hell is making noise only eh , well, it looks strange, because between the franek regime and ukraine, well, at least 50 or 70 years of running and you know that there is nothing to blame the ukrainians for when the war is not here the question is that the war is dragging on it can drag on because

people see that this war brings profit to someone well, in particular, about the purchase of military uniforms, so what was purchased at the same price, if i'm not mistaken, what's wrong with you, romania , she crossed the border from ukraine at the same purchase price, she crossed the border from ukraine at a completely different price, and someone pocketed the difference yesterday, the information came, well, it's not a terrible amount, again, it still affects the audience that for four months , the office of the president of ukraine has allocated for holding some kind of ceremonial receptions or something like that. well, what is called a party , well, it's not a party, it's a reception, so it can be that indeed, the office that ensures the work of the head of state has allocated more than uah 2 million for meals and hospitality, again, this is not a critical amount, but on the other hand, it is an amount that is needed today for the second one. we are currently collecting for drones for the armed forces on the espresso tv channel

of ukraine, a million 900,000 uah and we are already collecting several lower-level people, it is difficult to find such sums at once. therefore, these are the needs that exist and , again, it is demotivating. this is a demotivating question . yesterday we talked about the fact that first aid kits for the armed forces of ukraine are turnstiles they are purchased in china for 3 kopecks. they are cheap. 95% of them do not save the lives of our soldiers, and in fact, where you can save soldiers, by stopping the blood, you actually doom him to death, because it is profitable for someone to buy these tourniquets for 3 kopecks . well, you are now see. by the way, the collection. by the way i had to. but it’s good that my colleagues showed me this picture. go to the link. joins the fund-raising for drones. 23rd for the military. the 23rd separate brigade. they need help in raising funds for the purchase of drones. please join. and these turnstiles are actually bought by someone for he sells a penny in china here for a dollar and puts the difference in his pocket. at the same time, there are ukrainian turnstiles that cost $30, but

it is not profitable. i want to go home to i felt sorry for monaco in finland, then it seems to be justified there and this is just a flood of information, it affects people in such a way that a person thinks to himself, oh my god. well, if i have to give my life to the son of my brother-in-law, best man, best man, husband, lover, for the victory of ukraine, then why don't you need it, that is, the person is not in the person, it is necessary to show that we are all somehow together, that we have a certain goal and we are all ready to suffer to a certain extent for the sake of this victory , for the sake of ukraine itself and we live at all, then many people flee, well i understand, some are running away from them, some are going just to go, this is also demotivating in this situation, in your opinion, what should be the solutions , what should be the steps of the authorities of civil society in order to gather people together and at this critical moment not to fall apart, first of all morally you you know defeat, yes, you lost on the battlefield

, or on the football field, defeat begins in the head, this is the most terrible thing, please, defeat begins with the internal division of society, i want to remind you that zelensky, after coming to power, started harshly attack the military, humiliate the military in every possible way. i remind you that in the middle of the 20th year, the salaries of the military were lower than those of cashiers in supermarkets , that is , they stupidly preserved the salaries of the military. the defense of the country. by the way, the military continues to persecute , well, remember at least the rhymester who was accused absolutely baselessly of the murder

of journalist sheremet, not to mention colonel chervinskyi, who is currently in prison, that is, not under investigation, it's absolutely a strange story , while the whole country knows that during the attack on the kyiv region, the russian special services bypassed the homes of the participants of the ato, the veterans of the ato had all the lists, well, i'm talking about the lists of portnov and the government with a huge circle of traitors has not even lost relations to this day. i'm not talking about the arrests of these traitors . well, in fact, when the government persecutes the patriots and

does nothing to punish the collaborators, it's it's also a big uh, it's such a demotivator. but the most important thing that unites us in such difficult moments, let me remind you that from february 22 , ukrainian society itself declared a taboo on any criticism of the government, and it lasted for a long time, until such wild crimes came out. well, for example embezzlement of billions of hryvnias humanitarian workers in zaporozhye, the story of the defense of chernihiv and thousands of tons of humanitarian workers who were controlled by the chernihiv oda, and in chernihiv people boiled flour and water just to survive in such stories

moment, everyone who simply kept a taboo on criticism of the government decided that enough is enough because , firstly, we see the absolutely blatant inequality of the law against one and the other , secondly, the abuse of power among some representatives of the green team, and the most important thing is the blatant impunity. we mentioned the supply turnstiles substandard tourniquet equals the killing of a fighter, because a tourniquet is the last hope tool that can save a fighter, stop the bleeding for a period of time, its applicators, there are many, many things, and these hemostatics are also, well, that is, there everything is of poor quality, and this is, first of all, a shocking story in lviv, when 10,000 high-quality nato-american first-aid kits were

simply stolen from the warehouses of the regional administration of lviv, and i still don’t know how the investigation is going, but volodymyr, because i was interested in this topic as much as now he is in lviv, that’s right, friends who have access there in one way or another, that’s the most interesting thing. i don’t know, let the investigation take place and let the culprits be found in this story, but the most interesting thing is that in the regional military administration itself, people don’t walk around a bit they know where they went, this is a question of control over it, of course, well, someone should control where it is, but the question is that it is not known where it was dissolved and who can have access to it, is it abuse or is it betrayal or is it just an attempt to sell somewhere to make money, but the point is in the fact that someone stole and no one knows who, please continue, well, it's just uh, first of all, the fault of uh, the head of od, who assigned responsibility for this uh, let's say, the sphere of activity, someone already appointed responsible

persons who were engaged in receiving humanitarian workers from -by border as it is obvious that there was such a blatant well, i would say criminal inaction and maybe you and intent criminal therefore in fact there is a case that needs to be investigated and well you should not be punished but in our country it turns out that they are punished absolutely for some strange stories because in fact the same colonel chervinsky is sitting in a pretrial detention center for a story that he is not really involved in . that is, there is a completely fabricated accusation . but at the same time , the shapovalovs