[000:00:00;00] the field of activity, someone appointed responsible persons who were engaged in the reception of humanitarian workers from abroad, as it is obvious that there was such an egregious well, i would say criminal inaction, and maybe you also have intent. criminal , therefore, in fact, there is a case that needs to be investigated. and well, you should not be punished, but in our country, it turns out that they are punished for absolutely some strange stories, because in fact the same colonel chervinsky is sitting in a detention center for a story that he is not really involved in. that is, there is a completely fabricated accusation. but at the same time

accused of the great embezzlement of the ministry of defense of the shapovalovs, khmelnytskyi, they are not even in my opinion now in a detention center, and there minister reznikov is talking in every way about the fact that you would be out if you found yourself in this position in february when there was not a single bulletproof vest in the warehouses, yes and what was minister reznikov for then sat in office when there was not a single bulletproof vest in the warehouses, it means that he committed absolutely blatant unprofessionalism and for this he should be punished because he left the troops without bulletproof vests, now you know mr. volodymyr, i think i have a few minutes for everyone to talk, because we will be guests later, we will continue this topic, but i want to ask you a very important question, what are people going through right now, the summer is ending, the counteroffensive continues, our armed forces are doing what they can do with those weapons weapons in those conditions, what is the quantity, what is the quantity, we know that not all

of these so-called offensive brigades are currently involved in all operations. we do not have all the information about what is happening there, because even if we talk about the crops, yes, it is russian spablica they write that their troops fled from there, the armed forces say that they are approaching the harvest. there are certain positions on which we are entrenched, that is , we do not know all the information. again, the armed forces of ukraine are doing what they can with the losses , the wounded, the killed, uh, they are advancing we didn't get everything we could get in order for this offensive to be more effective. let's say this , but we do what we can do, this is one story, another story, now winter is starting for us again. they say that there will be blackouts. there will be interruptions, the enemy will attack again somewhere there something is not ready people are preparing for this again inflation slowed down due to the fact that many ukrainians left by law, many people mobilized they are now receiving money from the armed forces and began to consume less well, as they say in the civilian market, it is two two points which the slowdown of inflation now. maybe somewhere they exhaled a little. maybe it became a little easier for them , but in any case. well, plus, people are starting to watch the political marquee

, the scandals, the fact that many people just this war is not interesting, it is not needed. my friend told me that she was going abroad, well, in the direction of poland, here in the lviv region or in sheginy or where, and she says that they just stood waiting for their turn and says that it was like that. you know, it is insulting to the point of tears when you see that they are queues of cars, men are sitting in them, well, i’m not at war, so i’m working here as a journalist , uh, but i won’t go anywhere in lviv and ukraine, and i won’t buy myself such an opportunity, and i wouldn’t think of it even if i were a writer. i could come up with something so that i don't want to be here it will be necessary, it will be possible, i will be in another city, in any case, i am in ukraine, this is important for me, as it is for many men who, wherever they are, are doing a certain job, and she says, when you look at it, the men are running away. well , then you think, why is this at all and why are the others fighting and such things, just a whole bunch of these demotivating things in this period, and i also have a lot of videos that people consume on tiktok, on facebook, on instagram, on youtube, with which they are also pumped up, pumped up,

pumped up, what are the different moments and i have occurs the question may be clearer to you, you have found the answer for yourself, what do all of us russians want now? with these things and objectively, what kind of people experience depression, disappointment , anger, and a lot of things and imposed things because of it through some certain informational and psychological operations what do the russians want to provoke in us now, in this period of war, to what reaction to what action do they want to motivate ukrainian society with their activities, please? well , they push us to an internal conflict in the first place and, unfortunately, in their actions there are many such factors in the government that really push people to conflict very often. the government simply does not listen to the people or, well

, there are people in positions who are not capable of managing and, unfortunately, we have, as it is not surprising, the most stable sphere of social life where we get to er, hairy paw of the government, where there are volunteers, where there is a self-organized society, where there is high-quality local self-government, which, by the way, the government is firing from all guns, and where there are really centers of such living self-organization, there is no despair but the occupier is counting on the deberalization of ukrainians to break such moral stability, when life deteriorates, people

tend to look for culprits. well, i think that the banking sector understands very well that there are no such intermediate barriers left between the banking sector and the people, that is, now all the mistakes of the government they are so convex, they understood just the simplest ukrainian, and in the political sense, here comes the moment of realizing that there are no prospects in zelenskyi or in his party in the following there are no elections mr. volodymyr i thank you very much for joining in for commenting take care we are saying goodbye to volodymyr tsibulko political expert and mp ukrainian poet after a short pause we will return to the conversation two guests bohdan butkevych larisa ivshina and continue this conversation there are discounts on

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as little as possible, i will give you the opportunity to motivate ukrainians. let me i would like to ask you to first briefly say what, in your opinion, according to your evaluations and observations, demotivates ukrainians the most today, ms. larisa, please . i recently heard an opinion that is very important to me. it seems to me to be general igor romanenko, who called his speech on the youtube channel justice in war, here i am i don't know if justice in war is possible in general, because death does not choose anyone with injustice, but society can be such that it produces standards of justice for people in war, and it seems to me that this is the most a traumatic circumstance and if there is injustice in society in the attitude towards the war, when a lot of people feel that the burden is borne by one part of society and the other

almost does not feel it bohdany, in your opinion , what demotivates ukrainians today most sociological okay, black and white on the one hand i don't want to fall into this again, you know, we've already gone through it many times about the fact that corruption is to blame for everything and so on, but it's not cool, but it really demotivates society very much to fumigate what mrs. lepse said about justice, i'm a little bit like that in what sense do i say well, you understand when you, uh, every day there you choose some money there, buy something , do something there, drive, help, and then you see it as news, like in ukraine, uh increased from the segment of fopa to luxury class cars, that is, cars for the middle class, so to speak, conditionally , on the contrary, the segments fall, and then you see this, then you see, for example, another piece of information that

is published there. thank god we broke through this public council at the ministry of defense another piece of information about the ungodly continuation of robbing the budget, which is 60% formed at the expense of western taxpayers, and this concerns the ministry of defense , friends, it is important to understand the essence of our war, the fact that we live directly at the expense of western money, and you see it, so do i at least you have to talk about it, but still do what you do but to be honest, sometimes your hands just drop and you don’t think about what it takes, well, it’s just, how is it possible at all, that is, when the best really die people every day in such a quantity if it is better, of course, the citizens don't know and you don't watch it and they just really start you well, at first it's just great and then you really want to go and really tear someone's head off , preferably with your own hands i think that such a feeling is actually felt by the majority of people

i really hope that those people who are in power here will understand that this is already a story, not even politics, this is not a story about who loves whom, who votes for whom. this story is about the banal question of the guilt of the borzeli. well, that's what larisa said in front of volodymyr tzibulok, i asked him what reaction or what action the enemy wants to cause now. in this period of war, in a difficult period of the war, when it entered a protracted phase, and war and life are exhausting, and what action even the enemy can cause with his informational and psychological operations let's talk about this, too, about internal factors and factors of demotivation, we have already found out, and now it is important that the enemy is still trying with his e-e ipso from russia or from ukraine to cause his people in society, so mr. tsibulko said that he wants to cause an internal conflict in society today with these informational and psychological operations, in your opinion, something that today i want to cause the enemy to do, let's agree to negotiate

, do something, just don't fight, how do you assess what his intentions are and in his opinion, what should be the reaction of ukrainian society in this period, please, it is very important to determine what should be the reaction of ukrainian society. we should also analyze their steps, not their intentions, because we understand how long they have been preparing for this war and we it was repeatedly pointed out that the information training on ukrainian territories on the brains of ukrainians continued immediately after russia suppressed chechnya, and this was pointed out to us by the way at that time by intelligent chechen people who lived in ukraine and told us from the stadium about that you will be next and you must prepare very carefully. well, unfortunately, i think that many such good attempts to teach us

have not yet achieved their goal, because there is some special ability to learn not very well in the lessons in the lessons of your own history even the latest as well well, after the terrible chechen conflict , it turned out so that you remember how much information resources were concentrated in ukraine, and the actual decomposition of the ukrainian media environment also happened in parallel, and then they studied our weaknesses and tendencies to what we are prone to anarchy to the fact that we don't know how to listen to a reasonable person in time to obey if you don't like something we turn on our emotions and start saying something else when landing and in fact, these are very everyday small not at all a strategic-level issue. and it also happened through our reliable channels through our media, which is what is now

called hype or what is called, well , this is such ordinary gossip. back then , everyone was proud that he was such an insider, but in fact they were just spreading the word. gossip about the country , instead of focusing on solving the main strategic issues, there was a sector of high-quality journalism, but it was small compared to the grandiose needs of the country, and that is why russia is still studying us, how many misers came here now they are all on the channels of russia, but before that they were on all our channels , we saw them all, we understood what they were doing here and they were studying us, and that is why their aimed fire is now going on those territories, of course , creating despair in the victory of what we we can't afford it. we shouldn't say that we're getting tired, that we can afford to then go and kick someone because there really can be an internal conflict, it really needs to be blocked on mineral

tricks and not be in the mood for it. society has no chance without the alternative of insisting on its best features. we have many of them, too, but we must cultivate them, and this stability and moral fastidiousness, i would say . - it is still more important to distinguish from the printing press. i think there is a lot of space here, bohdan. i now address this question to you. what do you think is today, right now, in this period , an informational and psychological operation from russia ? well, from the russians, from those who sympathize the russians will work out the russians in ukraine, there is no shortage of such people

, what is it aimed at? point of view, our greatest happiness lies in the fact that the russians, how could i explain it to you, they never took us seriously, therefore , accordingly, unlike western societies , ukrainian society is not normal, there will not be such an impression, did you study it, by the way, they admit themselves already now that they were completely wrong about their channels analytical stories before february 24 and thank god eh hmm by and large they had only one initially very successful ipso which was tight it just came in like from the textbook of a military don how to conduct similar operations it is normal the operation of the first days of the war for these marks. i think you remember very well when the whole country was running around looking for the shizik . there are many cases of andrii fire when people shot their cars because everyone thought it was a tree. but after that, for quite a long time , there were no successful helpers in russia , because they did not understand ukrainian

society, they could not offer something new, but we must admit that here unfortunately we helped them ourselves, that is, now, in fact, all russian operations use absolutely real ukrainian problems that exist in our society or points of disorder, that is , they see some problem and they just start and try to inflate the conversation this is a very simple method and it actually works. unfortunately, it works, that is, they are not like it was before and so on. no, for example, they just take elementary things, but everyone understands the problem with military commissars. everyone understands the problem of how it all works and understands the problems of distorting corruption in this area. this story is taken. you order a huge amount of advertising on social networks and american ones, including some. by and large , absolutely shit from a high mountain. what kind of advertising is it, if it does not formally violate any rules there, they will calmly give it the possibility of twisting and we see this every day it happens and they start to promote it promote promote it and what is the success of such an operation because

well, we have a problem, of course, well, great, they took it and are starting to promote it and so on , that is, look, the main thing is now the task is essentially to strengthen well , in general, russia's tactics are generally to wait to outwit us so that we can no longer run together to wage war, so that we can get over them, so that we don't get tired, so that we decide that all this it is impossible to continue , that's why they are betting on it , that's why any problem, any discussions, anything that will happen in ukrainian society. she is beautiful, we must continue not to be silent under any circumstances, but as soon as we see that there are some russian ears, well, it means accordingly that these specific figures must be removed from this discussion, to put it mildly, another problem is that unfortunately, the current government has absolutely not cleaned up the information environment in our country, in fact, with efforts

, minister tkachenko has already been dismissed, and a year ago , almost all media outlets from the medvedchuk channels, which now sit so calmly in a single telethon over those various channels, were left completely unpolished which are suitable and so on and so on. well , these creatures are some of these creatures. excuse me, i already know this about myself. they just went to the sbu a couple of times. talk to them, and now it is considered that they are so to speak cooperate constructively, well, this is a very big problem. believe me, they will still play their very negative role. i am already silent about the efforts of the good russians who continue to develop ukrainian youtube in our country thanks to the fact that they do not get out of the air with any fridas and so on, so we are not really good news friends, if someone thinks that we can do it all, i'm so easy to walk, then no, if we hope that ukrainian society is mature enough, then the problem is not that they invent something, emphasize, they use what is really there, you understand there are some problems, they are not able to come up with something new, and it also needs me

, so i'm sorry, i'm not very optimistic here now, well , there's one more question that i'll ask you to answer, we literally have four minutes for each guest, how acting is just a recipe for ukrainians, so that you know don't give up, find some strength to live, work, er, don't tear your head and soul and so on. well, first of all, survive, and secondly , you will be effectively in your place during this period , at least in society. i don't tell the global war, at least in society, in your family, in your team, and so on . larisa, please. look for those who know how to generate optimism , join communities, who are busy with useful things during their time, who are obvious, who have moral authority, then i am convinced that you should watch such films as dark times, we have to watch other heroic classics that allow us to understand

that other peoples also overcame great problems in their time. well, i think that it is like the first one . send to society, you know i always compare life with sports, because it is somewhat similar, well, relatively speaking, how many football players do not consult with each other on the field, how should they act, the coach has to insert a piston somewhere so that it reaches a little , it happens and does not reach, but it happens that there are some substitutions, they are adjusted in some way people well, then we see a completely different picture. the government also has a responsibility at this time . society should send the right messages , at least not be silent. they understood about the government, too , if possible briefly, but in order for it to be, the first thing is to choose the government to which it should be placed. such questions cannot be appealed to the willow so that she gives you money, that is, if you are from poorly educated children, you cannot expect them to become the fathers of the nation, so look for those to whom you can ask these questions

. there are people who can probably give you some reasonable advice on the government in this state needs to be put under pressure, of course it is necessary to give public organizations their impulses to show that someone is doing something useful, surely there are such people as well to the government if we did not have any complaints against it , i have such a complaint against them well, i would say large-scale but local claims must be clearly addressed and it is possible to see that someone gives us the right signals from there, but since the information policy has not given much, they do not reach society. to be honest, i do not understand what their information policy is based on. they are media people. i do not understand what is going on in them, who is positive and who is not, and who can be changed. well, it is not so large -scale, but still, there must have been some decent people, why do it in such a general and mass slaughter, and also to direct society towards them, there are problems to solve and how in turn, bohdan and now you have a question, again, from your experience, how

are you? you are also going through everything that we are going through , and you understand how to keep yourself, as they say, in combat readiness as much as possible so that you people how is it today to find motivation to live first of all for myself, for the family, for the team , society, the army, for everything and not to give up and not to give up somewhere or not to give up, well , i have a very simple formula, while i am not yet in the armed forces, in any case, i live for zsu and this is very important to me, although every evening i can answer the question of what i did today in order not to think that i am simply not doing anything to help people and how i will look my relatives in the eyes later those friends and acquaintances of mine who have already died in the war. well, he will not offer anything new at all, and i think many of you , dear viewers, have heard the name viktor frankl. he is such a well-known

westerner. in any case it doesn't matter what you call him, a person who had experience of survival, i had experience of survival in a nazi concentration camp, i strongly advise you to re-read his book on this matter, well, very simply, he describes a very simple formula there, that by and large, those who survived were always not the first , those who did not die i believed in 2-3 weeks. then those who believed that it would never end died. it is an endless horror. it is better to die right now. those who survived were those who concentrated on what you can do without specifically doing your part, helping others and having some simple clear goal for the sake of which you want to continue living. well, for example, he dreamed of writing a book, which he ended up writing after writing it. i advise you to have something like that, there is no point in reflecting a lot now, i strongly advise everyone to pay their friends we will be dead later, you think. simple things, we will also do it later. now we have to put everything into victory. believe me. if you are thinking now about the quality of staying over , we will understand, friends, this is such a war that

staying over is heavenly for no one, and if we lose and then, believe me, there will be no life for anyone, i’m not even talking about that. that’s why there really isn’t an option, or just if it ends in another frozen conflict, well, believe me, nothing good will happen in our country. and what did you ask, madam? you can't be silent under any circumstances. you know about the non-aggression pact that existed between society and the government until the winter. last year, it already ended. permission for this and that what did she do to vinnytsia, you can't do this, you have to constantly whip them, the only thing i have is that we don't have the right now to protest on the streets, but you can't be silent anymore under any conditions , the only language that volodymyr zelenskyi understands is his entourage - this is the language of the rating. this is the only thing he is interested in. accordingly, society must constantly convey as much real

information as possible about what is happening. at the same time, understand that it is not demotivated, but i am sorry if we are talking, for example, about some theft, if we talk about some idiocy, stupidity, wrong decisions, and so on, we can't be silent about it anymore, and there are no more out of time , because i'm sorry, we've already entered the worst stage of the war, maybe for someone, someone thought that the worst is the first, no, the worst is now, this is precisely the time of this war for hatching an athlete who is four times more than you , well, friends, now is exactly the moment when everyone has to really work for victory and everyone is in his place, everyone has his place there to be i'm not saying that everyone has a job to sit down it's like that but everyone has to do it now when a lot of people raise their hands well , i'm tired, i can't spoil what russia wants anymore, so i have very simple news for you , friends, or we will all win or we will all lose other options with us not only thank you thank you very much thank you very much for the cool comments thank you for