crimea and they are all, er, they are there according to their duties, you notice, but they are normal people, you see everything and, in principle, they are the same kind of scoop , i am an ambush, i remember, you don't remember, i remember that when something was confirmed by the authorities you all said yes, that means everything will be. that is, if someone said that the vodka will not end, then there were so many worms in the factory . she she ends it i want to tell our friends and our enemy. by the way, not everything is in order with the kerch bridge either, and they are ready to open it , then close it, then it operates in a limited mode. ventilated well, but less than that literally in a few minutes after a short pause, we will have the opportunity to talk with the head of the prosecutor's office

of the autonomous republic of crimea and the city of sevastopol, igor ponotovny, in particular , we will try to break down into absolutely specific answers to a large number of questions, in particular from the residents of the crimean peninsula, what awaits us in the event that i refrained from er any contacts with the occupiers in the event that i er took a pro-russian position in the 14th but i changed my mind and am ready to rehabilitate in 2023 well, we will definitely discuss many other points, stay with us, there are discounts on exick 20% in pharmacies, podorozhnyk to you and savings taras shevchenko resists his words on the chevrons of the defenders of his ideas, the hearts of millions of free people, his lines in battle songs at the front and

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, how should you understand the athletes of september, every friday at 21:15 on espresso, the war in ukraine is the main topic for ukrainians, victory and losses analysis and forecasts politics and geopolitics serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program will talk about all this people who have information and shape public opinion people who defend ukraine and create the future right now the main and interesting thing in the program is serhiy rudenko's verdict from monday to friday at 8 p.m.: 00 replay at 12:10 my tank driver dad was my sniper, he stood so well that not a single orc could sneak up on our positions, he even received an order, and mine knocked out two enemy tanks and

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kyiv, finally i can tell about it, cool. we continue our program together. this is a joint project of the espresso tv channel and the atr tv channel. my name is khrystyna yatskiv, my co-host is aidar murdabaev , aidara, as promised. he is already in touch with us tonight, igor, we congratulate you . glory to ukraine, there are a number of important questions that deserve to be explained , because feeling the deoccupation of crimea peninsula, local residents ask what awaits us. each of them has different circumstances. each of them had different reasons for not leaving the territory of occupied crimea all these years, and one way or another, we understand that 9 years of occupation is 9 years, it is not even a few months of occupation two years is a time during which, if

you remain in place, i do not imagine how you can avoid actions that would not be qualified as possible collaborationism, and even we are not talking here about a law that has been passed in ukraine, but somewhere even a moral and ethical point of view that is why sometimes it is a little difficult to talk about the fate of the residents of crimea with the residents of mainland ukraine and e.p. igor let's try to understand what activities, what types of activities on the peninsula are considered collaborative, for which actions a person can be held accountable ah look, first of all , we need to move away from understanding that some categories fall under collaborative responsibility, i.e. some professions, some er, occupied positions there and so on , criminal responsibility in us is individual and er, for example, one teacher

can fall under collaborative activity, another teacher cannot. that is, we should not think in categories. for example, all teachers are collaborators, and all plumbers are e. there, the housing of the operating office is not collaborators. e.e. persons whose actions fall under the scope of collaborative activity in our country are clearly provided for in article 111. there are as many as seven types of different activities and different actions that face collaborationism . the problem with regard to crimea and this article consists in because the article was adopted in the spring of the 22nd year, but unfortunately it did not take into account the long-term occupation of the crimean peninsula, that is, for the most part, it was, in my opinion

, aimed precisely at discouraging ukrainian citizens from the territories that were occupied after the 22nd february after february 24, 2022, i apologize for discouraging the desire to cooperate with the aggressor , we discussed this for a long time with the people's elected officials and various human rights organizations, and everyone was afraid that in fact, if we formally approach this article, then mostly the majority of the residents of crimea will fall under the influence of this article, but time, in principle, everything puts us in our places , we developed such priorities with the help of which we were able to single out those

activities that really fall under the scope of collaboration example e-e with the most controversial, what is contradictory, what was the rule e-e 4x4 of article 111 of primudin, this is the transfer of material resources to illegal armed formations e-e and the implementation of economic activity, it was the implementation of economic activity that scared people the most because according to in fact, every crimean businessman who pays taxes, who receives permits, licenses, etc. from the occupation administration can be considered to be carrying out economic activities in cooperation with the aggressor state and its illegal authorities, but we have built such a priority for ourselves that we are the participants in criminal proceedings there are only you businessmen who voluntarily and directly cooperate with the state occupier with the occupation administration and armed formations, i.e. we are talking about when

the businessman supplies means for video surveillance to the fsb or when other services are provided, the ministry of internal affairs of their republic of crimea and so on, that is, when there is direct cooperation of this kind, when businessmen supply for the fulfillment of defense orders, supply some products there, the armed forces are disbanded, and so on, that is, in principle, the security service for itself took it to work and we made such a filter so that we do not have cases where there are formally private dental clinics that pay taxes worn out to do this in order to survive er so that no one i accused them of being collaborators, although i will repeat myself formally, these actions also fall under the elements of a crime, but there is such a concept in the criminal code as insignificance, that is, although the activity contains

signs of one or another element of the crime, it is due to its insignificance and due to the absence of socially dangerous consequences from such actions, this action is not considered a crime, therefore, for ourselves, we have developed the priority that i am telling you about. appointments to leadership positions in the occupying authorities are collaborationism, all appointments in law enforcement agencies of the occupation authorities are collaborationism, there are public calls to deny russian aggression, calls for aggression, and so on and so on, this is collaborationism propaganda in educational institutions is collaborationism and so on , well, that is, year after year, no one changed the article, a certain

judicial practice was developed, a certain privatization was established by the prosecutor's office, and therefore the crimeans who, er, simply did business simply we lived as we lived before, there is nothing to worry about. only those who cooperate directly with the occupation authorities, were part of this occupation authority or law enforcement judicial authorities, or who too actively expressed their pro-russian positions publicly, i know aidar, i know you there is a question that concerns the first thesis of kupan igor noted that we will not judge by profession, but by the activity of a specific individual, nevertheless, how to deal with journalists eder, tell me a little more so thank you for the opportunity to ask this question directly to the prosecutor, mr. igor, here as journalists. well, in my

opinion, it is a little easier than other specialties, because there are people who deliberately went to cooperate for the benefit of the occupation authorities, and i will even give an example, he is very close to us but like the kremlin, i first of all want to punish the people who betrayed ukraine, who are at the same time representatives of my people. well, i want them to be punished first of all. for me, this is whose double betrayal i am. i have an example for all of us and to come out, of course you know about such a channel , milet on television, who was supposed to take this place on the rtr tv channel , who was actually expelled, actually expelled, deported to crimea, and there are many such people there, respectively, not many, because there are at least 10 such people there whom we know, here is ira

mambetav , this is a person who, after the russian occupation authorities banned the rtr tv channel because we did not want to raise the flag of the russian federation th year he quoted the so-called meleti tv channel there for 10 years. that is, it’s not just somehow there. he uh, accidentally got into this position, no uh, this tv channel uh, he was supposed to be a replacement, in their opinion, on the rtr tv channel, they appropriated the frequency a-ah broadcasting of the rtr tv channel, they appropriated the equipment worth millions, well, bringing the game , it is so accurate. i think that there can be and not a hryvnia, it is more visible there by a special body, e-e. everything

was taken over by this man, er, the shell of a mambeta he signed documents about the embezzlement of other people's property, and he did all this not for the benefit of some private tv channel, for the benefit of the commander , in fact, this show, which continues to this day, there is a new editor, and this editor is the first a collaborator, so who used to be, he seems to be the head of the editorial board of the crimean state television, he is now , maybe you will be surprised, but he is now in the united states, he is now . and you know. he pretends to be a refugee from the war there, he tells his so-called colleagues that he is there

. he found a way to escape and avoid responsibility, but what will actually happen to such people and can we demand a return to ukraine is forcing such people as all romantic women who openly and sincerely cooperated with the occupiers in the field of propaganda, that is, propaganda is an internationally recognized such category as a part of crimes, including war crimes, mr. igor , i am asking you for a word about journalists in general and about this case in particular about this case and the activity of the mili channel is the subject of a criminal investigation in our country precisely for collaborative activity, since the implementation of information activities in cooperation with the aggressor state is a cooperative activity, the channel is well known, we all know and have seen their reports and stories and so on, that is, not here who has no doubts

about the fact that this channel is a propaganda channel, therefore criminal proceedings are, accordingly, about this person who changed his shoes in the air and is in such an unpopular place for russians the western world also has criminal proceedings and measures to bring this person to criminal responsibility are also being taken by us . there is a problem why and in principle the problem with the article on collaborative activity why because in fact until 2022 we had and still have an article on treason article 111 in the 22nd

year the article on collaborative activity was supplemented activities, in fact, many of those actions that are now called collaborative activities used to formally fall under the characteristics of article 111, under the characteristics of the state zone, and here in the circles of lawyers there are such questions that before this or that activity did not reach to state treason, now it brings criminal responsibility, this is such a legal member, i will tell you that there is a lot of activity that was not covered by article 111, as well as, for example, there, journalistic activity is simply journalistic if it is not a propagandist's activity, if it did not harm ukraine in any way, then er, say again that all journalists , all teleporters, all employees who work

there on the milet channel, that they are collaborators or that they are state traitors. we cannot but specific individuals who are they were responsible for the editorial policy of the channel, who gave instructions to set some stories , what should be the information of the channel's information activities, and so on. it's criminals can't because we have to as the prosecutor's office we have to assess the actions of each person specifically and first understand what he did if this action falls under the characteristics of a crime we must investigate and our task is to prove that this person really committed a crime we cannot on assumptions or, for example, to say that all the criminals, since

they were all in crimea, they all worked on the channel , the indictment should clearly contain who for what action and what did he do? well, in this case, we miss the fact that there is journalism in crimea and which is honestly a bit of an oxymoron for me because, unfortunately, mykola semena or iryna danylovych are exceptions. these are either public journalists or journalists who cooperate with adequate global ukrainian media, and everything else must be recognized by crimea 24 and many other local the media are essentially such daughters of russian tv channels, eh, and this is not journalism - this is a propaganda activity, in essence, a propaganda machine, so, so , you really need to be very careful here when considering each individual participant

of this process, so that we do not simply rely on the condemnation of people who, with their faces and their mouths, denied the existence of the ukrainian state, i'm sorry, and supported russian aggression, but these are also the cogs in this system. this is also a very important story and will need to be actively investigated. to be honest , i can't even imagine how many people we will need to attract in order to qualitatively check uh and hmm to carry out such filtering measures in a healthy good sense when we are talking about the crimean peninsula, have assessments already been carried out, how many of us employees of law enforcement agencies and special services will be needed for this, in advance of preparing for the reintegration processes in crimea, we calculated approximately my responsibility now is only for the prosecutor's office, we calculated approximately how many prosecutors are needed there in the offices of the prosecutor's office of crimea in the district prosecutor's offices

in accordance with the administrative territorial what kind of division is there now ? that is, we understand how many employees of the sbu are needed there, police officers of the state bureau of investigation, i cannot answer for them but we need a sufficient number of them, since you rightly said that there will be a lot of work in crimea because of the nine years of occupation, filtering measures must be carried out in fact with everyone so that you and i do not get stabbed in the back when we return to crimea the history of february 20, 2014 did not repeat itself. the history of february 22 did not repeat itself. that is, all the guilty must be identified and punished. all innocent people should not actually

notice the integration processes. persons, accordingly, should carry out filtering measures, investigations should be carried out, and people then get a legal opportunity to defend those who are guilty and calm down, and will have a legal argument that will allow them to say that during the occupation of crimea they did not commit a crime neither against ukraine nor against ukrainian citizens mr. prosecutor, i want to clarify the question, well, in addition, in fact , you said absolutely correctly that it is not possible to judge the activities of a person based on the profession, but journalists. it is either journalists - it's in quotation marks, it's a little easier because well, for example, if you wrote about plants or there was a children's magazine , there were no russian flags there, there were no

beehives there, it's just there, i don't know, there's an apple, there's a watermelon, etc. it's called this one thing, but what concerns the political er journalist, only here everything is obvious , for example, on the conditional channel minka ilyi, this is just a part of propaganda, this is a small department, about which i just specifically reminded, using his example, it is very easy to understand all this and our viewers, including the same operator there, and the same director to the operator, they also contributed to the propaganda of the so-called elections, including the election of putin on the territory of the entire crimea, they not only contributed, but they actually promoted some thoughts, they took part in propaganda in specific measures that were against ukraine, directed against its territorial integrity, etc. i think that here if a person was right, if she was

a cameraman, she filmed deliberately, and we do not demand any heroism from them, but simply not it was easy to do this and there was no punishment for it, that is, they voluntarily filmed and showed the cameramen in that village , the so-called journalists and the editor, and not only the editor-in-chief is to blame. mr. prosecutor, the general concept of a crime in the criminal code provides that this act is committed with an intention, that is, we must still contact us with mr. prosecutor, the head of the prosecutor's office of the autonomous republic of crimea, the city of sevastopol igor ponotovnyi is talking to us, mr. igor, you were interrupting with us about the fact that

when we see a news anchor other than 24, for example, who is telling her propaganda delusion, it seems to us that this is a crime, but our task as law enforcement officers as bodies of justice is to prove that the person did it on purpose. that is she was aware of the content of her actions and the legal consequences of what a sprint we are in crimea during the time when i work, for example, in the prosecutor's office of crimea, we very often encountered what people say , that's a scoundrel, you don't punish him, i always told people that not all the negative phenomena that we see happening in crimea are unfortunately covered by the criminal code and what seems to us to be absolutely obvious to the prosecutor when the prosecutor sits down to issue procedural documents in which it is necessary to indicate there is the time and place when the person committed this crime the moment when he had the intention to

on this notebook confirm that the person really had the intention to commit this or that crime there are difficulties in this, these are difficulties we need to prove it concrete with evidence, you will understand that without access to the territory of this region, it is extremely difficult to prove, for example, now i am setting myself the task of proving that the news presenter on the crimea24 channel deliberately carried out information activities in cooperation with the aggressor state. we must prove that this person had the opportunity to refuse there, she did not do it there, and that she deliberately made appeals there and so on and so on, that is, not everything is as simple as it seems to us, as we would like it to be

it would be much easier, but we are a civilized european state in which the rule of law is reaffirmed in the constitution, moreover, i would like to remind you that even if we want to to make changes to the ukrainian legislation, then according to the constitution , let's say, they don't have to quote now, i definitely won't remember it from memory, and there is no retroactive effect in time . igor and if a person knowingly went to rallies in 2014 and supported the russian federation in a-and there, i do not know the teachings of alla , actions that can be qualified as collaborationist, but she became enlightened in the 22nd year and said, what did i do? and she realizes that she no longer wants to to be part of this system i understand that this is not

an excuse and that prosecution should still be but can such a person mitigate the circumstances and what can he do for this briefly e sincere remorse there active assistance in solving the crime e-e implies this as a mitigating circumstance, but this is in the case that a person really spreads there and helps to uncover a crime that he committed back in 2014, since he will help the defense forces of ukraine in the process of deoccupation, the court may recognize it as a mitigating circumstance, that is, a list if we put it in the criminal code it is not excluded that the court may pay attention to this, too, and help to the defense forces can also be recognized as extenuating circumstances , so let them repent for now and help each other, we will figure it out later. thank you very much for this conversation. we

they talked somewhere about hurt us and thank you for the answers to the questions. i think that the residents of the peninsula who are watching us kept these answers, now they will know what to expect, at least ihor ponochev , the head of the prosecutor's office of the autonomous republic of crimea and the city of sevastopol, was in touch with us ayder muzhdabaev i thank you for the wonderful broadcast, as always, and we continue to talk about crimea in our next programs .