[000:00:00;00] this is in our program today, in the next program i will have roman bezsmertnyi , wait, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your loved ones. goodbye, this is bbc ukraine. olga palamaryuk works in the studio. ukraine, in order to return its people home , bbc correspondents conducted an investigation for many weeks, collected testimonies of soldiers who returned from russian captivity, interviewed more than ten former prisoners who it was possible to return during the exchange of prisoners stories about physical and psychological violence by russian officers and supervisors of the detention center in the city of taganrog, why violence against prisoners is not a rare phenomenon , on the contrary, it is already a regular practice and how to protect those who are still in russian

territory, physical theater, psychological violence, beatings and torture electrocution , hunger and denial of basic medical care, this is a far from complete list of what ukrainian prisoners of war go through, according to human rights activists about 10,000 ukrainians still remain in russian captivity. at the beginning of the full-scale invasion, russia managed to free more than two and a half thousand prisoners. bbc correspondents collected the stories of those who returned from prison. we will show them a little later, but for now. who were kept in captivity in taganroza, those with whom i spoke talk about violence, both psychological and physical, they say that prisoners are tortured, beaten

, electrocuted, not provided with medical assistance, they mention and about very small portions of food , and even as they say due to the level of cruelty in this institution, prisoners die, we interviewed a dozen former prisoners and it struck me that this was not done by a handful of bad guys or a warden who decided to torture someone because of a domestic dispute, they say that behavior is a common thing, it was such a common process of work in this institution, do not forget that no international observers were allowed there, representatives of the un and the red cross tried to visit this institution for in order to see with my own eyes the conditions in which the prisoners are kept, but the russian authorities did not let them in and the ministry of defense of russia did not respond to our request for comment, but in the past they denied all claims about the torture of prisoners of war, i spoke with a number of human rights organizations, even with the

un human rights office, they they say that they have heard about similar cases not only from this institution but also from other places where prisoners of war were received, so this indicates that violence is not only taking place in this particular institution, but also in in other places throughout the country, in kyiv, i spoke with the human rights commissioner and he said that 90% of ukrainians who returned from captivity during the exchange of prisoners talk about torture, so the situation is very alarming. he says that he cannot do anything because all these places are under control russia and no international observers are allowed to enter there in order to talk to the prisoners of war and see with their own eyes the conditions these people live in, so how did this investigation take place, bbc journalists recorded interviews with more than ten former

ukraine managed to exchange all of them as prisoners during the war. the bbc cannot independently verify this testimony, but their details were given to human rights groups and, if possible , confirmed by other former prisoners of war, and then the stories of three released ukrainians , senior lieutenant of the azov regiment, artem srednyak, senior sergeant of azov, serhiy rotchuk and the senior combat medic of the 56th brigade, iryna stogniy, all of them were kept in the detention center of the city of taganrog, rostov region, then dry hell, well, this is the scariest thing. a different place where you get rid of this human and ukrainians have gone through russian captivity and they can just physically do whatever they want with you, they were kept in this prison and in the city of gentrification, which they now

associate with torture in may of last year, the city of mariupol artem was under siege at that time. the sniper of the azov regiment wanted to continue the fight, but ukraine ordered the rest of the troops to surrender. of course, the first time i heard information about a prisoner that he needed to surrender at all, i had the most terrifying images in my head. artyom's friends spent several months there, he says he was often beaten and tortured with electric shocks, but he often saw the suffering of other prisoners and me. well, after these beatings , they return this camera. he has blood on every nail on his finger, i tell you what i'm saying, needles were inserted under the nails, he says, yes, for weeks, we

were looking for ukrainians who returned from taganrog , one of them was iryna, army officers, when she was captured, she was a combat medic then he says that women were treated just as cruelly as men, beat on the ribs, hit with a hammer, they could hit with their batons , beat, well, if you write taganrog and work . i think that denis is a military surgeon. he tells people that they start beating people as soon as they get there, they beat them everywhere in the rooms, corridors, and even in the shower. in captivity, three of his ribs were broken and he could barely breathe, then they threw me on the floor, put

them in my head, told me to tear them off the floor, and discharged electric shockers to me. well, full charge, you understand. yes, what is a full charge electric stun gun is meant, then it shocks you, if you pull your head off the floor, they start beating you, and so on in a circle , up to 10 thousand ukrainian prisoners of war are still in russian captivity, including hundreds of defenders, many of them are held in prisons throughout the country, and this violation of the rules of war, such actions are held for the release of prisoners of war and for russia to protect their rights, the ukrainian side says 9 out of every ten prisoners who were returned talk about torture now the biggest challenge for me is how to protect our people on the russian side and i don’t know how and no one knows how we can do

it nois how weekendurot the ministry of defense of russia did not respond to our requests for comment, but such exchanges of prisoners give hope to families who are still waiting for my loved ones. how did you come to this after all? i am currently undergoing treatment , but the priority right now is to improve my health so that i can put on my equipment again, pick up a weapon and go to defend my country. i am afraid of this war continue not only on the front lines, but also in the lives of ukrainians who are trying to overcome cruelty, let's continue the topic together with the head of the public organization military liberation nataliya epifanova in contact with us ms. natalya ot what is known about the number of people who are currently in russian captivity in

the public sector we keep our records, we keep our calculations, we know that at least 10,000 prisoners of war are currently in captivity, not to be confused with the fact that they are prisoners in general, since russia still holds civilian prisoners and this figure is 27,000 of civilian prisoners, this is the official data of the human rights authorities about this. how difficult are the negotiations for their release and what is the role of the state and international organizations and public initiatives such as yours? well, you know it is obvious that it is very difficult for ukraine to negotiate with russia, because russia violates all the rules of war, it kills civilian children , deports children, and that is why the negotiations on the return of prisoners of war are too complicated, and i think that these are not negotiations, you know,

on some humanitarian, some human bases, and this is just bargaining with russia, if in russia they are taken prisoner to ukraine , people are valuable to her, then the military, then she conducts negotiations and the exchange takes place. of russian prisoners we also have a sufficient number of e-e natalya, what are the problems faced by people who have already returned from captivity, do they find enough help e-e support, including psychological, do they feel the importance and need to seek support so, for a long time in our society, this was the case. in a certain way, this is even a taboo question, of course, in ukraine , er, the appeal to a psychologist is not very developed . and even more so for men and military er women

, it is easier for women here, er, but despite this, many of the military notes that this needs to be done because, for example, even if there were no serious injuries there , is psychological damage still caused in captivity, and when a person returns home to ukraine , he is still there for a month, but the most urgent is still well, and then these psychological problems catch up with them already there in the third , fourth, fifth , sixth month , and of course, in ukraine, there is still no such, you know, systematic mandatory rehabilitation of psychological deep. we know that the volunteer sector is very developed in ukraine and even in this we have volunteer psychologists and there are

opportunities for military personnel to undergo such psychological rehabilitation. well, i would also like to talk about the relatives of such prisoners of war so how much can the relatives of those people who are now in captivity get , once again understanding all the restrictions and that not everything that should be done according to international agreements is carried out , how much can they get support and access to information so despite the fact that russia hides our captives. you already know the crime of russia, she not only took them to the field, she also hides the facts of their capture and we have very few relatives. we relatives are faced with the fact that we have very little information in general. about our relatives, where are they, in what condition are they, but we still manage to find out and get this information, so i deviate a little and say that the prisoners are ukrainian

prisoners. we know that they are now in 42 places. colonies, these colonies are located both on the territory of russia and on the territory of the occupied regions of ukraine, and you know that the attitude in these colonies is very different, the most cruel attitude is that on the territory of russia, they are just, well, i don't know, they are very cruel there some non-humans these are the guys who are returning , we talk to them, we could interview them, we collect information , who did they see, who were they sitting there with, etc. and so on. evidence of no military secrets - it's just beating people constantly, constantly, it's some kind of perverted pleasure in

them or something, i don't know. that's why relatives , the main problem with relatives is that we don't have contact. but according to international humanitarian law, there is no contact polonaise to captives is also like a form of torture, and it is. well, it is the worst for us, but we still appeal to international organizations and international governments about the fact that they found levers of influence on russia and pressured it economically and politically because ukraine will never spoil itself with this. thank you, natalya. thank you for what you do. the head of the public organization voyatsky vizvolil . nataliya epifanova was on our air, well, that 's all we have time to talk about . look for more stories today on our website bbc.ua

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, in the meantime, president volodymyr zelenskyi announced that ukraine is increasing production several times drones and this is for the 18th month of a full-scale war. why only now and what will it change? well, the white house also denied the negotiations on territorial concessions of ukraine in exchange for nato membership, they were wrong , they slandered, could the alliance officials really be able to consider scenarios under which ukraine gives up the occupied territories in exchange for membership in nato, about this today in svoboda life, russian troops are conducting a counteroffensive in three directions, the kupyan limansky and in the north of bakhmutsky , the spokesman of the eastern group of the armed forces serhiy cherevaty said today at the general staff that the russian the occupying troops in the kupyan direction are repeating the tactics they used in bahmut of the donetsk region, in particular, the russian troops are throwing prisoners from the so-called detachments into the attack

zed storm, our colleagues from the present time channel visited the lyman -kupyan direction about how the armed forces repel attacks there , see below, this is anton , he is a serviceman of the companies of the volyn landslide protection brigade, we are taking the next box, this is to the side, now he is arguing with his colleagues about mines, he is fighting in mortar battery in the forests under krimina in luhansk region, we shoot at them, they shoot at us without a break shooting and this is artem from now on commanding a buoy of his unit in the same direction to the battle , the guys of the enemy work plusplus anton and artem, two native brothers who one after the other went to defend ukraine and their home, this estuary

in the kupyan direction. it is here, as reported in the armed forces of ukraine, that russia has gathered 100,000 groups and is trying to move forward because it has become very active here, and it is in this area that two natives the brothers are now fighting and repelling the attacks of the russian troops , the brothers are from volyn, anton, the younger brother , signed up almost six months before february 24, 2022 , taro became the platoon commander of the mortar battery on the first day of the great war, he was already in the military commissar artem, who is older and fought in 2014, was abroad, he was just in poland, the full headquarters began, then i remember the military commissar came in, he called me back and said what are you saying?

well, i was preparing right away, i’m only saying that if something like that happens, i’ll be there right away, because i followed the first lists , so i immediately returned, so my brothers began to serve in the same 55th battalion in a mortar battery. he came to them and said, god, i should get to my brother they say of course you can manage to get in and he came like that and he and i were together all the time here we were together all the time anton the commander of one platoon artem of the other is fighting in the same position but each in his turn while artem is doing combat work anton is preparing mines for his shift and vice versa here together so that the parents would be calmer so that everyone could see the report and talk there we are going to the position to artem anton should not go to the front but he is going with us to visit his brother the road is dangerous the worst for me it is the worst this is the road to get there

when i arrive there, i am already there more or less aware of what is where and how to what . sergey explains to us what is happening on this part of the front. the enemy has been rotated , they have changed in some directions, they began to storm more actively, they stormed the guys of the neighboring units. sergey thinks that the russian units they already tried to break through their positions in the spring, the brigade did not let them, they say they did not surrender any position, the russian troops have quieted down for the time being, they began to grope again , the technicians have overtaken here much more they are planning something here, but we will hold them back having arrived at artem's position, we quickly run to the dugout and it's not for nothing that an aerial bomb is falling somewhere, it's gone, it's coming, we heard it and go a little better inside, they go a little bit when rotation takes place, there are changes, there were clear

shots on our infantry positions, the guys and they engaged us there was a lot of work, well, such fierce battles that how to defend its all in a hurry , the brigade coped with it and, accordingly , our social council did not lose any of its security, but the battles were so fierce, there were many wounded then and there were these the first people who died were even standing in the mortar platoon, they again give the command to battle, the calculation of the positions and the fire, the line of the enemy, the enemy was there, it was detected that a crowd of people, well, what caught fire, caught fire, yes, well, now we can only say one thing. the war is mine

, the corners of the amendment are raised for them, the war has become a way of life, they cannot get used to the danger and worries for each other, we are coming back artem asks to inform us how we will be in place you will already write when you arrive at the place, no one says goodbye to the replacement later, i will call you back. it’s all good, plus, let’s have a barbecue with god, guys. anton and i are driving along a road plowed with shells. and artem is waiting for a text message from him . we got there well. andrii kuzakov. vasyl martyshchenko. oleksiy pali for radio freedom ukraine will not be able to receive f16 fighters from western partners in the coming autumn or winter, the spokesman of the air

force of the armed forces of ukraine, yuriy ignat, said this today. air defense and help repel russian missile and drone attacks. meanwhile, the finanshall-times reports that ukrainian pilots have to constantly travel between dozens of airbases of civilian airports due to russian strikes deep in ukraine - airstrips and pilot training centers in the west of ukraine, according to sources of the publication, these strikes have one goal to prevent the armed forces of ukraine from using long-range missiles storm shadow and scalpel launched from airplanes in connection with this, the ukrainian military is forced to constantly change the location of the most important weapons and qualified personnel, according to the former commander of the us army in europe, general b. hodges , frequent russian attacks on ukrainian air bases can be explained by the fact that russia does not wants to make sure wants to make sure that ukraine will not get the opportunity to

start striking bases in crimea well , let's go back to the statement of the air force spokesman yuriy ignat what should ukraine prepare for if neither in autumn nor in winter, kyiv will not receive f16 fighter jets, when will ukraine actually be able to get these planes, and it will be too late and it will be on our air ivan krychevskyi , expert of the military portal defense express , ivan, good evening to you, from your point of view , why is ukraine so confident, why is it so confident today the spokesman of the air force stated why ukraine will not receive in 16 neither in the fall nor in the winter are there any objective reasons. are these purely political reasons, which we obviously can only guess at the moment. well, first of all, if there are objective reasons to talk about it, then it is he is just so technical. there is one such important point that is not emphasized in official communication. the issue is not only that our pilots need to be taught to fly not at 16. our pilots at

16 still need to be taught to fight, and this is the nuance of what to teach the twist. he this is precisely what lies in the technological superiority of the f16 over the fourth-generation soviet fighters of the mig-29 and su-27. the basic difference is that if on soviet fighters the pilot is given instructions, first of all, by ground radars foreign guidance points it is precisely on western fighter jets that the pilot has all the necessary situational awareness on his own. well, if only because there the radar allows him to see targets at a distance of more than 100 km and he has to orient accordingly . there are already some about other important ones. but in fact there are also significant technological details. well, for example, different uses of different medical systems on navigation devices on weapons guidance devices. well, we also went

even in the 16th, obviously it will not be only there. there will be no ukrainian firmware, there will be no firmware for meters per kilometer, there will be english language, it will be white, its feet will be accordingly, well, you know, get used to working with these indicators in combat conditions, it’s as if well, you also know the task, why are we doing it now? well, let’s say so, well, sensei such a sum of the countries that are currently participating in the transfer are united in 16 , we summarize it with the word west. yes, this group of countries is doing everything . what else is there in the usa, a private military company is legal, let’s call it a private military flight school called trekin-international, which has demilitarized military planes . well, let’s say they are still of the fourth generation , even that there should, as part of the tariff agreements with the netherlands, receive demilitarized ones in 16 they do not have airborne weapons, and in order to speed up

precisely this part of the war , a private company will be involved in this in 16, we can