[000:00:00;00] that's how everything works there, when they planned these elections, they hoped to capture or get ukrainian kherson, ukrainian zaporizhzhia, even though they do not control and have no chance to capture the regional centers of these regions, which they consider their own, but they must demonstrate. i don't know each other because the world will not believe that these are supposedly their territories, as if they will form some kind of government there, and as if the inhabitants of these territories will vote there. although there are , of course, probably some technical reasons for them, they conduct a census before the elections they hand out russian passports and force them to accept russian citizenship, in the donetsk luhansk region , let's say, they can oust some local clans from power and put their own , which they bring from russia.

in the showdowns between the towers and the cream, they do not get the so-called electoral lists from united russia and thus they lose their influence, that is, they solve some of their banal argumentative questions but of course, no one recognizes these elections, even the residents of these territories. they have seen the real elections and they understand that this is what will happen there . this is the same question and what other 287 deputies adopted this resolution of the appeal to the parliaments of international organizations in order not to recognize these pseudo -elections in the occupied territories of the ukrainian state, but could it be otherwise, for some reason it seems to me that the civilized world actually understands who is the enemy here and whose hands are covered in blood and who are these pseudo he is planning elections and why, and at the same time, is it possible to respond even to the partner countries from the partner countries? perhaps someone has already reacted to this resolution and has already said that

it is possible to forget you as a parliamentarian. in no way do we recognize it, so really here it must be understood that the entire civilized world definitely does not recognize these elections and they are not recognized by the other side and without a statement and resolution of the ukrainian parliament, but since this directly concerns our state, our land, even from the point of view of the need to simply enter this political message political message definitely this act had to be adopted as far as international partners are concerned, the territorial and ideological partners closest to us , i mean the baltic countries and poland, they basically became active in all positions in advocacy, not recognizing any initiatives the crazy russian tsar, a pseudo-tsar on the international stage, therefore definitely no one with whom ukraine has normal good-neighborly and not only good-neighborly relations

will not recognize these elections, but the parliament should have said his word, since he is a member of the legislative body, and i would like to add that i definitely agree with mr. igor that this is a show exclusively for the electorate, even for the dictator himself and some elites, it is very similar to the situation when they had them in moscow last year all kinds of expositions were issued there, banners were hung up , including kherson and zaporizhzhia, when pseudo-changes were made to the constitution, and then the ukrainian armed forces returned kherson to ukrainian control. that is why russia is here forever. hanged remembers crying in kherson and but but really there is an important point here that this really applies and will also apply to the census and indeed that now the occupying territories have a very aggressive policy of actually depriving our citizens of any social services if they refuse to receive russian

passports, that's why i think that this is also aimed at the activity of a certain bypassing of the territory of people's places of residence, including, perhaps , some such in order to obtain the maximum information about the number of residents on the eve of another pseudo-election which in moscow will be held in march 24th, when putin will elect himself again, about the violation of the rights of people in the occupied territories, in particular in the context of passporting , so that they can then participate . in these pseudo-elections, we will talk with tatyana ivanova if we talk about the process of passporting, then what rights are being violated here and to what extent in general in the occupied territory we understand that it is very difficult to live without a passport that the occupation administration is trying to hand you, and what kind of what is known about these situations? and in fact, what they are not offering. and what are they forcing at the expense of what are they forcing to take these passports ? i agree with all our

guests and speakers today that with these elections in the occupied territories, the russian federation solves several problems and in including passporting and changing the so-called watchers, because there are no elites and no state, no state leadership, there are only watchers, but i am sure that with these elections they will not solve the issue of passporting, therefore they began to solve the issue of passporting a long time ago. and now it has already moved into the framework of ultimatums , because they have already set up ultimatums in the occupied territories to those who do not receive a russian passport by the first of september, and they will be deprived of their jobs, and employers have already warned all enterprises that they must fire people who until september 1, they will not receive a russian passport, they will be deprived

of the opportunity to receive medical treatment in addition to work, they will not be accepted in hospitals, they will be deprived of the opportunity to send their children to school kindergartens, driving a car, and many, many other things, but i am sure that now, with these elections, the referendums they are holding on passporting are not true, because if they could not force such harsh intimidation as deprivation of work, treatment, and education of children all our citizens to get passports and we communicate every day with people who are in the occupied territory, we know that there are quite a lot of our citizens who still have not received russian passports and are not even going to get them until the first of september despite all these threats, they also do not receive them during the elections, because if a person is deprived of the opportunity to receive

treatment and work, and she goes out of her way not to get a passport, then in order not to go to the elections , she will definitely not will run him to get it firstly secondly they are solving another very bloody problem with these elections besides the fact that everything was counted, i remember very well the referendum they held last in the spring in the spring yes in the spring they held this referendum is like the local residents who stayed in the occupied territories together with those who went from house to house with all the forms that had to be filled out, signed and signed, and everything else went with these people, as a rule, for another

3- 4 people in military uniform with assault rifles who enter every house and every apartment and asked who among you and who among your neighbors here is unsympathetic . information in every apartment, in every building, where they entered, and they were military men with assault rifles, and then the repressions were very severe after the end, and even in those days when the referendum itself was held, there were repressions, after receiving this information, they entered these apartments and caught people i think that this is another goal because now they have very, very many arrivals and they believe that these elections will

also help identify those people who cooperate with ukraine in connection with the fact that these arrivals have become more accurate than they were before igor and what then the occupiers hope that they will be able to with such pressure and blackmail, which we understand that closer to the date of these pseudo -elections, it will obviously intensify , will they be able to drive people into passport offices at the polling station? and in general, what result do they hope for there? the results are already being drawn there and for next march, on march 17, the results of the elections for the president of the russian federation have already been drawn, and now it is just nina that he will confirm this , the spokesman admitted that there are elections that's why it's also, well, we need to make a picture, we need to show some polling station on tv, where to bring some people who will stand in line, and really the result

is already clear to us . e of president putin on the legal nexia of all territories . pseudo elections yes. and after that there will be appropriate legal decisions of the ukrainian authorities that everything that happens there has no meaning and you know that any decisions that will be heated there are equally worthless. meeting in djinda, on the one hand, we had few public decisions, but on the other hand, there was a message that all the participants of 42 countries , including not only the countries of the west, agreed at least on respect for the territorial integrity of ukraine, which means that even

if there are any armistice agreements, cease-fire agreements, phased by the achievement of peace, the road is longer anyway, no one recognizes the annexation , not even brazil, which does not like some scenarios of the end of the north korean war. as in crimea, when after the 14th year in crimea, no postal operators work in crimea, airlines do not fly, the whole government is illegal, everything is on the sanctions lists against the organizers of criminal cases, that is, even for years if they will keep a suddenly a part of this territory, no one will recognize it anyway, with the conclusions for these residents and organizers, this is very important , that is, they can hold referendums there, call it elections, but no one in the world will recognize it, and not only the allies of ukraine, the whole world mr. igor's words . i think that the list of parties that started russian parties that started campaigning in the occupied territories is also indicative. they really have their primaries there, and some of their posters have been hung up

in the occupied part of ukraine. putin's just russia the communist party of the russian federation and the liberal democratic party of the late zhirynovsky ah, what is this choice offered to people even in the occupied territories? well, okay, there, for example, they have already decided to hold something similar there. for what kind of elections ? of the dead zhirnovsky well, why is there such a list and there are no others allowed even in moscow that's why no, well, there could be new people there, but these regions after the arrival of the occupiers they became even poorer and that's why hardly anyone will vote for even the systemic liberals with regard to the organization of the architecture in general of the election process there in the occupied territories, it is obviously based on how elections are held and electoral processes and

preparation for them - and can you say what is being done there now , what process is taking place from what you know, because we know, information appeared that not all ukrainians, obviously not all, even those who are even collaborators - that says a lot, they don't want to go to work at precinct elections commissions. people do not have such a desire, and because of this , specially trained people are brought from belgorod to moscow . well, who are included in this process, what is happening there now, at what stage, will these people who will be brought there or have already been brought there, maybe look here, it is not russia's actions on our temporarily occupied territories are different, in principle, they are no different in the context of self-government in relation to any russian territory, as

a rule. in the donetsk and luhansk agrarian republics, where the majority of the leaders, so to speak, are some kind of wannabes from the actual russian regions, these same paratroopers are walking the streets, except, of course, those who have nothing to lose to such gentlemen as pansaldo, who runs around the russian media and tells some nonsense and then they change their shows . of course, the local population that is waiting for de-occupation and even if we are talking about some elites that do not have patriotic views, they still try to sit somewhere quietly so as not to get caught later under the prohibition of functions, including investigative actions after the territory will be occupied, that is, here is a full account of what happened in the donetsk luhansk regions from the moment of the temporary occupation of the 14th year, but i would note a few more phenomena here. first, it is also standard, this is the question of what this political technologies are embraced directly from moscow, so

what director directs all these processes, and the second, more destructive thing for us, which has not been observed before, is that they try to work with the youth of ukraine and try to to involve ukrainian youth, including minors, in these processes, that is, to agitate them and try to integrate them as the future electorate into their pseudo political system, and this is of course not an easy challenge for us , but on the other hand, we understand that young people always choose freedom and democracy and if you look even at the numerous videos from the temporarily occupied crimea, there are young people , i mean high school students and students. they definitely do not support the occupying power, despite such attempts. i think that ukraine will not lose first of all the heads of the brains of our ukrainians, despite the fact that russian politicians are trying to deceive them. and will we, vitaliy? why will we observe these protest phenomena, the closer

to the elections, or is it possible during them ? we'll see, but it's not certain , it's not very correct, it's correct to talk about it on the air about it, it's much more pleasant to talk about it post facto according to the result , as far as the actual public protests are concerned or protest actions? i think it is unlikely. it is possible, but it is hardly possible, and because of the high intensity of hostilities and we understand that the russian federation often places its own military bases and facilities next to the facilities civilians, therefore, from the point of view of citizens, i would not advise to carry out in order not to come under fire when the russians use them simply as a human shield or as a public well, we do not think that there will be any massive loud actions, but the underground will of course work, that's exactly

what tatiana, mrs. tatiana ah, it's really likely that there may even be certain ones. well, let's call it terrorist attacks on the part of the occupiers , well, in order to later say about what you see , they say provocations, what they say is the defense force there. prepare for when they will be held. these are the pseudo-elections there, maybe some more practical ones can be given to people with advice on security measures. and i do not rule out that this could be the case, considering that some individual protest cases cannot be called actions, and cases in the occupied territories it's already happening, but recently they all saw on social networks the department from donetsk, where a woman is in a cafe at the russian military , telling why you came here and what you need here, although it is

not known whether she is a pro-ukrainian woman or she is everything well, since she stayed in donetsk, but she is correct, even if she supports the so-called dpr there , but she is vocal against the russian federation, and there are also many of them there, and we saw how she later apologized, so i think that it is already there are quite a lot of those videos that show that there are fights there, we are uzbeks , and there are other ukrainians, some skirmishes in the occupied territories, already with those who came from the russian federation, and in order to somehow appease the ukrainian population there now , considering that it is getting closer people feel that this territory can be liberated and they start to express something and raise their heads, because in order to somehow

calm them down, there are such actions of intimidation, here you are in the form of terrorist attacks, i do not rule it out. i think that such a thing is possible, i think that it is possible, but with regarding the organization of the elections, the russian federation does not pay attention to it, how they will organize it is not important for them, because the eastern region is closer to me , after all. i know how it happens there, yes. for example, in the city of donetsk three districts in which there are almost no people at all, whom he sent to the myshel district, no one lives there. if half of the kyiv district used to live there , now it is already reaching the voroshilov district. the occupier has nothing to stop them from entering dead souls into the lists and asking questions, these people on the lists will not even be there in these areas

, but they will vote for the picture there , now there are enough citizens of the russian federation to create a picture even if ukrainians do not go to the polling stations and most of them will probably not go, because the last referendum would have clearly demonstrated when the last referendum was held , our ukrainian citizens should be given credit, they are very resourceful, and that is why when they did not go to vote and came to them to the house to the apartments, the neighbors told them that well, he went there for three days, that in this referendum he went there for a day to mariupol tomorrow, and in mariupol they told him that he went to golovakh or to donetsk tomorrow, and that is, it was impossible to find them that's how they would twist it so as not to vote. well, here everything will be done in one day, but our citizens

will be resourceful, there will be some other mechanisms not to vote. this is a pseudo-election, uh, will there be this activation after all? maybe you know something about the activation of some protest moods according to your feelings, or is it real? well, there is no one there to protest anymore, and the specific weight of those who are not afraid uh, it has decreased, it is clear that there will definitely be occupiers to increase this pressure. but it is possible that some new processes may appear that are currently invisible . it is unlikely that we will see mass protest actions there because, first of all, it is really the most radically patriotic ukrainians. they are all they left there by force, and those who remained, as a rule, are those who are related to something, someone takes care of the bedridden patients, someone has some other circumstances and health and personal life, or i, there will not be enough funds for the move, but for them to gather en masse, we

understand that on unfortunately, the occupation authorities will react very harshly to this, but we see that the ukrainian special operations forces , the armed forces of ukraine, are conducting strikes on television bases , this of course affects the situation there, and moreover, the head of the russian cec recently suggested that they can cancel these the elections seem to be for security reasons well, but maybe this will be another trading card in the case of some gestures of goodwill, because it will not even be entirely logical for them to hold elections today and tomorrow already out of goodwill and to withdraw from there even further, and that is why they can cancel these elections and on the last day, you know, in the context of these elections, i would like to talk about the russians who go to the occupied territories, in particular, and in the context of the work of the defense forces, let's say, the successful work with surface drones and aerial drones after

after the last attack on the crimean bridge, as reported by the occupiers, the defense force fired rockets at this illegal crossing and a new traffic jam of almost 1,000 cars was formed there, in particular at the entrance to the occupied peninsula. and before that, putin tried to explain to the russians why they had to go , not even because of a shout the cities of kerch through the occupied south of ukraine to occupy the occupied peninsula in order to spend the same velvet season at the end of august warnings and appeals from the ministry of defense of ukraine, despite the attack not only on the crimean bridge, but also on the entire occupied peninsula from the sky, russians are still going there to spend the so-called part of the so-called suicide tourism there, you know, it seems to me that it is problematic for us to understand the logic of these people in principle - because the citizens who in

principle support so en masse absolutely cannibalistic political regimes and people whom we observe even if there are isolated protests there from 20 protesters fleeing from one police officer well, in principle, it is difficult to understand regarding the immediate, temporarily occupied crimea. it seems to me that the situation is a little more difficult because during the nine years of occupation, somewhere around half a million russian citizens were resettled on the territory of our peninsula and, accordingly, they have their relatives and so on who are related to them go, someone really goes to rest in the so-called because they consider them crimean, this all has consequences from the point of view of common sense, of course , when we see that the defense forces of ukraine are striking at this crimean bridge as well which is an unconditional military artery for the supply of military equipment to drive there or

drive through mariupol , destroyed again by the russian occupiers of our ukraine described, therefore we will not be able to understand each other here, of course. there is probably some separate stratum of society that looks at the general situation in a different way, but to the great regret of russia and its future, and perhaps the absence of a future is already their own problem. there are not many such people. can we come to an understanding with them? i think it is unlikely because if citizens, in my opinion , visit the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, the territories that the russians destroyed, then in principle they express in such a way support for the armed aggression that russia has been carrying out against ukraine since 2014, mr. vitaly, i can ask you one more thing, mr. ihoru spoke about the fact that perhaps these pseudo-elections will be canceled and the matter will not come to them. are you missing

such an opportunity and which could be real the reasons for this, i believe that such a possibility is a possibility, but the only reason will be the intensification of our counteroffensive actions in the south of our country. we see that day by day the armed forces of ukraine are gradually gnawing away pieces of the populated areas of the territories in the zaporizhzhia direction, as well as the formation of bridgeheads in the kherson region oblast , respectively. this, of course, can have its consequences , because we remember that after the deoccupation of kherson and the russians, they generally moved there to henichesky district closer to temporarily occupied crimea, if the offensive will be more active, then really for reasons that they will call security reasons, but in fact , as mr. igor rightly said, just in order not to miss another mistake that was already made from kherson, they can cancel something there, and really argue that it seems to be their concern

against of our citizens, although as we see, they , like the right, on the contrary, make a human shield of them , and options on the contrary, despite the risks to life, are possible, especially when these same risks will be provoked by the russian side we will observe, but i do not rule out such a possibility if the progress of the counteroffensive or will increase mrs. tatyana , we have already asked you oleksiy asked about some security things if you have already come and the elections are taking place, did you come to the polling station or did you not come but near her how can you protect yourself or can you to ask about how safe is it to participate in these elections in general, and what responsibility can then come from the ukrainian side eh, do such voters carry eh in the occupied territories as soon as they are freed and this it will be clear whether they are legally responsible for taking part in pseudo-elections and voting

at the enemy's request. yes, our legislation is already regulated in this regard, and if citizens of ukraine participate in such elections , they will be criminally responsible . and the deadlines there are very long, so if our broadcast is seen by people in the occupied territories, i would urge everyone, by any means, to go to the hospital to get sick there, do something, hide, but do everything as much as possible so that you did not go to these elections because the responsibility for this is very, very strict, ms. tatyana, if this has already happened, i don’t know how to hack a machine in a minute, all kinds of things happen, in fact , they blackmail with the security of their families, they blackmail in another way, if you do have to vote , then what should you do next, how should you act

i'll ask just in case, because stories are different, the truth is, i understood your question. i want to give a recommendation as a lawyer now to those who have no other choice but to go to the elections because they are really threatening, and they really brought them out. those lying at the end brought a box, presented a machine gun or something else there and said you know yes or you vote or or we know yes it is real this is life and we know such cases and that is why i recommend now as a lawyer to those who cannot avoid voting to try as much as possible to record the fact that it was support if it is somehow possible to record there so that the enemy does not see and you are not responsible for doing it, you can record the audio record the audio you cannot

record and film without exposing yourself if there are your acquaintances neighbors relatives will gather three of a person, draw up an act, sign it in the presence of that person, and you were forced to do it so that these people signed, indicated their phone numbers, addresses, so that they could be found as witnesses , so that you could later prove in a court of law that you did it not of your own free will. but so that it does not later become a mechanism for those who are really collaborators, those who are publicists of the occupier , still do not take advantage of such an opportunity, because when it will just happen to bathe these territories and uh, it will probably be worth it here to sort out each and probably that's how it should be to sort out each separate situation individually and only then our law enforcement agencies of ukrainian women have to find out what the circumstances really were, but ms. tetyana, we are extremely