[000:00:00;00] and sign what you were forced to do in the presence of that person so that these people signed and noted their phone numbers and addresses so that they could be found as witnesses so that you could later prove in court that you did it not of your own free will well actually yes but so that it does not later become a mechanism for those who are truly collaborators, those who are publicists of the occupier, nevertheless, do not take advantage of this opportunity, because when the annexation of these territories will take place, and it will probably be here, it will be worth sorting out each one, and it must be so to analyze each individual situation individually, and only then our law enforcement agencies, ukrainian women, should find out what the circumstances really were, but ms. tetyana, we are extremely grateful to you for these tips, the truth is tetyana ivanova, i am asking for a collaborator where will they be used exactly because

there are enough of our ukrainian citizens and they have all of them the lists of these collaborators will somehow not be able to protect themselves with a collaborative vote because they already have a lot of this there and there is someone to tell about it and someone to provide documents and someone to notify by word of mouth, the collaborators will not come tetyana ivanova , a human rights defender, was with us. thank you very much . i want to talk to you now. everything is clear with the elections in the occupied territories. regarding the elections that are free on the territory of free ukraine, mr. vitaly , please tell our viewers how they are preparing for the elections in the parliament in general.

verkhovna rada, we will wait for the end of the war, because once again, referring to ruslan stefanchuk in the legislation, there is another extraordinary election, but after the ordinary, that is, if we wait for the end of the war , then it will not even be held . as far as i understand, well, look here, my key phrase will be because the elections should be held after the end of hostilities after our victory in the war, any other elections are well, this is probably not the way that ukraine should move, now there is a state of war, everything is as much as possible we help the armed forces of ukraine to liberate our territory, now to practical things, the legislation now provides unambiguous interpretations, this means that even when we are already on the finish line of victory, when we will understand it , the legislation must be adjusted. there is a problem with

the voter register that directly affects the territories that were or are under temporary occupation, the second important problem is our millions of forcibly displaced persons and if the question is about those of our citizens who conditionally moved from the joint regions to the right-bank ukraine, it mainly concerns the local elections scheduled for 2025, then the problem is where these citizens will vote if, for example, the residents of mariupol are left with nothing in mariupol, but we are still occupying them there is no way to complete the work and live, and they temporarily live in lviv, but now if we are talking about the someday future nationwide, because we understand that millions of our citizens who are abroad, they are in an instant one month, everyone will not return to our territories at the same time, voting is exclusively at the level of our consular institutions , well, it must be uh, logically, it is impossible to think that such

a volume and such a number of our citizens , who are, for example, in the territories of poland or germany, voted in four or five consulates, when we talk about what we want now , it is approximately 900,000 people, this means that we need to find another tool. of course , we analyze these things in some order. france is targeting shopping centers and made a voting zone out of them, there may be other, more modern tools, but at the moment it’s all just discussions, which are definitely of a technical nature, but of course no one is preparing for the elections, because everyone should be focused exclusively on the victory of ukraine before the war thank you, it was actually very important to explain it like this, and even if these are some technical conversations, in fact, and uh, assumptions, it is still extremely worthwhile to talk about it, mr. igor , how do you see what this process can be?

we understand that there are too many challenges, in particular, about which mr. vitaliy said, and a lot of ukrainians left, not all of them will return, and not all of them will return, those who will return not immediately, how can this process be built after our victory, or perhaps by regions, which is huge on e- this is a lot of questions, and regarding the elections, i really agree that, like all our viewers, it is difficult for them to imagine how to hold elections at the same time as the war, because we still hope that our victory is months away, but maybe ask questions when will we see that the war can turn into a conflict of medium intensity and the entire territory will not be liberated, and it is quite difficult to work in the verkhovna rada, there are 404 deputies there, some of the deputies are elected from pro-russian parties . if they are deprived of their mandates now, it will be difficult for the quorum at all collect that is, these were political questions, what is the right thing for the verkhovna rada of the central election commission to do ? they are working on solving technical issues , this does not mean that it is related to

a political decision, but what are these questions about vitaliy was absolutely right, they are aware of them, this is the voter register, this is voting abroad, uh, this is the internal transfer of a person , that is, how to solve these issues in the first permanent elections, it is not yet in the form of a draft law, but in the form of an expert discussion, this is happening and it is correct, or did it not turn out that the war is over. oh, we are not ready for the elections and we need another year to prepare for it. decisions must be worked out, but as a result , the decision will still be political and it must be communicated to society as much as possible. so that the society also supports him, the decision may not be optimal, but if it turns out that we cannot lift the martial law because we have not liberated the entire territory, we have ongoing local battles, but does that mean that this verkhovna rada will work for 7 years, 10 years in for such an incomplete team , it will all be a separate discussion, now is not the time for a public discussion, but the export of alignment is already being conducted, we will be frank when this time can pass, when

these conditions can come, what should they be for in order for this discussion to get some definite result. let's see now, firstly, we have active offensive operations that are producing results, secondly, we have active diplomatic offensive operations , a meeting with saudi arabia, now there will be a brics meeting, where they will talk about it in the same way already with russian representatives, we have a un general assembly in september where the ukrainian issue will be the first and there everyone will talk about the ukrainian formula or 20 in early october in india and there will be an answer to, say brazilian comments and where is russia, that means 20 russia will sit at the table not at the level of the president, it is unlikely that putin will fly to delhi , but at this level he will be able to answer their questions if there are any, and therefore we now have something to deal with, but i repeat, it means at we need to discuss this at the technical level. can we organize electronic elections? can we organize

postal elections? in the 19th year , 50,000 people voted in our foreign electoral district . this is the real throughput of our diplomatic messages. it is clear that not all these people are of voting age, not all of them have turned 18, but still, this is a huge number, they will be dragged into the turks, it was even easier, they voted for two weeks, and so let's say they were able to secure 1.5 million votes in germany in two weeks maybe ours somehow got there in turn, but in one day of voting, first of all, in germany and poland , our refugees will not vote . let's go when the so-called independence was proclaimed by the occupiers of the terrorist organizations of the dpr and lpr, then cuba, for example, recognized this. and what ukraine is initiating in order to somehow respond

diplomatically to those countries that play along with the kremlin, that is, can ukraine, for example , initiate some sanctions against countries who are openly and absolutely on the side of the enemy well, as for ukraine's activities , it first of all comes out of any bilateral agreements, this happens because of their demonization by the parliament, the last similar examples - these are, of course, former agreements between ukraine and at that time we understand that iran has a certain military cooperation with the russian federation, which directly affects the boson killing of our citizens at the expense , so to speak, of russian drones began to understand that they are of heavenly origin and so on acquired sanctions imposed on this state. after the decision of the national security council regarding international diplomacy, of course, this is a much more difficult process, but it is worth noting that now we have a powerful diplomatic and

democratic coalition, which actually constantly narrows the circle of those countries that are either sympathetic to russia or , so to speak, exercising neutrality, even if you look at the vote in the united nations organization or even if you look at the already mentioned jindi event. yes, regarding the peace plan of president zelensky, some countries that previously maintained neutrality, they are moving to the side of ukraine to the side of common sense . the same applies to countries that have direct cooperation with the russian federation. of course , ukrainian sanctions against them are not enough, so we are consolidating in this direction with our international partners. first of all, let's talk about countries such as the united states of america that should spread the sanctions pressure to others, because as a rule, if these countries support the position of the russians regarding our temporarily occupied territories, then they have one or another military cooperation, but their military component is dependent, including from foreign elements

to their products and precisely blocking them, blocking their supply and punishing those companies that interact with them, this is one of the primary tasks of ukrainian diplomacy on vitaliy, thank you for helping me understand such a complex topic today. vitaliy, he is the deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on issues and organization of state power , local self-government, regional development and urban planning. thank you for your input. well, let's sum up. i think igor of our conversation about the so-called pseudo-elections provoked by russia in the occupied territories, so what are the main ones ? of russia and for the inhabitants of those territories. is it all completely, well, such a fiction? i think that there is one show on the russia tv channel, for example, that the inhabitants of those territories there want russia so much, and despite the absurdity of this idea, there

are no international legal consequences, and the processes that they live by elections, they won't have them. by the way, in russia, even in my country, they are not elected, they are afraid to trust the citizens with the election of mayors. all mayors are appointed from above. that is, this is another confirmation, but today we correctly spoke that for our citizens, it is not important get stuck because, let's say, those who will work as active organizers should double down to look at the experience of their colleagues in crimea when, er, in crimea, certain residents took part in the organization of elections, the whole list was dug up under sanctions and people, let's say , cannot enter the european union. and now some of the residents of the occupied territories. they are thinking, well, they are thinking of bypassing russia, entering the eu and therefore avoiding any of these processes as much as possible.

for example, in the occupied territories, please urge them to be very careful and take part in such so-called manifestations of will, because it really can be. the second, of course, the consequences that mr. yehor spoke about will come. ihor popov, a political scientist, is joining us today in the studio. thank you for visiting, we will move on. let's talk a little about culture, finally, not only culture. come on and about language, language and culture during the war ilko kucherev foundation for democratic initiatives launched the production of podcasts, the first dedicated to a social survey conducted by sociologists of the foundation about the national language and culture during the war what language do ukrainians communicate at home, is there a difference between linguistic identity, the main practice, about good quotation marks er ukrainian performers and let's talk about this topic serhiy shapoval analyst of this fund democratic initiatives named after ilka kuchereva we congratulate you

mr. serhiy i congratulate you colleagues thank you for invitations, we are extremely grateful that you joined us, er, let's first remind our viewers what this social survey actually consisted of. this is a study. what were the most significant numbers and what were the conclusions of your fund? and we conducted this survey back in december 2022, in fact. but i think that er his results are relevant er because it is obvious that three full-scale aggression is changing and undergoing transformation the identity of ukrainian society understanding a-a who we are what er-e what is the point people put into the concept of a ukrainian, i am a ukrainian

. what does this mean? yes , and culture is obviously one of the important components of our identity, and language. what part of citizens speak these or other languages ​​in everyday life, which language do people consider their native language, and have transformations a-a in this sense taken place during more than a year of full-scale invasion. and of course , the results can be compared with in the previous periods a-a because well, we remember that even after the revolution of dignity back in 2014 there was a big impetus to the development of the ukrainian cultural product . many people began to consciously a-a switch to the ukrainian language a-a in everyday communication against the backdrop of russian aggression in crimea and donbas. so we asked the traditional question that is asked in many surveys, which language do you mostly

speak at home, ukrainian or russian? this is a somewhat simplified wording, in fact, a somewhat simplified formulation. why, because many people can speak i think you yourself know from your own experience that people sometimes speak ukrainian and russian or whatever language is there. in the middle . or before russian, then in december of 22nd, we had such a result that 71% of people said that they speak ukrainian in their everyday life. if you compare it with the previous year . it was 64%. there has been a certain increase in the share of people who speak ukrainian and

that is obvious in principle. i think many people have made such observations even from their own lives , and you still know what an interesting nuance it is important to state in which language you speak speak at home and why is it important because in fact when switching to the ukrainian language i will say this as a person who personally switched at one time back in 2013 in fact the most difficult thing is what we are talking about your personal experience where don't forget please we will ask you to continue continue continue important phrasing phrasing what language do you mostly speak at home because i will say it personally as a person who at one time also switched from russian to ukrainian, it was true back in 2013, but the most difficult thing to switch is at home because

the people around you usually have a there is a certain image of you that people are used to, and the language you speak is an important component of this image and that is formed about you in people's heads. that is why many people can , for example, at home with their relatives continue to speak russian because they are used to it, but already in the public sphere, it is already possible to switch to y. that is, you can say that i said the number 71%, but in fact, it is in the public sphere and in ukrainian. what language do people consider to be their native language, i.e. , could this data be the identity of 71%. and how many consider the ukrainian language to be their native language, 88% of citizens consider ukrainian to be ukrainian, according to our

survey, and here you can see. yes, it seems that there is not a big, but still, disproportion in their native language 88 and they say a-a in fact 71 that’s right, mr. sergey , and the definition for those who were asked about the native language, what is the native language , definitions are important here, the definition as far as i understand myself, because everyone can perceive it, well, in our own way, we gave a specific a definition, because it is something that a person should feel, and that is, again, it comes out of identity, very often a person understands himself, for example, as a ukrainian. and at least in everyday life , she can, for example, listen to russian somewhere, but still it has a perception of ukrainian as a native language the source of the ukrainian identity yes, and what is important is how is it related to the fact that there seems to be some paradoxical situation that is as if a part of people who consider ukrainian as their native language but speak russian for some reason in

their lives. how do these things correlate and we correlated them regionally in this way in the regions of the west and center of our country, the vast majority , almost the absolute majority of people who consider the ukrainian language to be their native language and speak it in everyday life mainly and in these same regions in the west and in the center of our country, the absolute majority of those who consider the russian language worthy of it and speak it in everyday life, but the situation is more interesting in the south and east of our country , but here, again, the absolute majority of those who consider russian their native language, they speak it in their lives, but of those who say that my native language is ukrainian, about 40%, almost half of those who say that at the same time they speak russian, that is, their native language, people

perceive ukrainian, but almost half of them speak russian, that is it is in in principle, an obvious consequence of the dissection of certain regions is the power of a habit that arises in people as a result of socialization in this space. but it seems to me that this is in addition to a. please tell me before this. and the regional distribution somehow changed during the full-scale invasion . classical such uh more often they speak russian east south a-ah ukrainian center west has this distribution changed have you tried to track it so the situation is changing see i will finish the previous thought a-ah oh i think that this is the situation when in almost half of the territory of our country, people who consider ukrainian as their native language, in fact , in their lives, mostly speak russian, this is a very good answer to these russian

propaganda narratives that the russian language was allegedly involved here , because well, if it turns out that people with ukrainian in fact, they speak russian as their native language, that is, then the question arises: what kind of language was oppressed if people do not speak their native language, yes, but the positive positive trend is that but in the south and east, this ratio is changing, that is, there are more and more people who consider the ukrainian language to be unique. they are more and more. well, compared to the 21st year, they are also switching to it in everyday communication, if we return to your question about where it is more is the russian language less widespread? well, actually , the situation is somewhat similar. well, it has not changed fundamentally, that is, in the south and east of our country, it really maintains its position. but

the russian language is used in everyday communication. our research showed, for example, that in the eastern macroregion, 47% said that russian is spoken there, 40% that they speak ukrainian in everyday life. but again, in everyday life, i will emphasize that in public space there may be a large part of people who use the ukrainian language. but the situation is dynamic, people are moving gradually, ah, and it seems to me, well, again, what is russian propaganda , what is it, what is it that manipulates these numbers? well, just without its message , it is nonsense, so simple. a big question arises, which language is actually discriminated against, and in the end , how do we see that the people of e tam hai in everyday life spoke russian, but somehow it did not contribute at all to the joyful acceptance

of the occupiers when they they came here, although they suspect the russians, they were hoping, serhiy, we agreed that you would tell us about your personal experience, the program in ukrainian , when did it happen? as a young man. it was somewhere in the 10-11th grade in fact, the fact that somehow when i was reading history textbooks, i had it, you know, it wasn't like reading just some obscure facts and names about something very foreign to me when you just read objective modern ukrainian studies , not even professional scientific publications of the asu it turns out that in relation to the ukrainian people during

the 20th century alone , many, many injustices were committed by the soviet authorities and the russian empire, etc. when you find out about all these facts, how the language of this people in the russian empire was forbidden by cem decrees or valuyev circulars and so on. and you see that the russians continue their imperialist policy and now you don't want to have anything in common with them, not even the language of communication you're used to talking to everyone around me, i had this motivation , then it was a little more difficult because, uh , again, everyone remembers that such a trend is the transition to ukrainian, the increase in the popularity of the ukrainian product, it already happened uh well, a massive wave of this happened after the revolution of dignity of russian aggression in the crimea and donbass since the 14th year, but in fact , if you understand and read history , dad, everything becomes clear with the russians

to any person. no strings attached. even there, it was a little more difficult for some of the participants in the events then, because there was no such mass trend and people perceived it all in a strange way . such mostly you know the misunderstanding and you had to have some will in order to continue this situation . serhiy, stop, how are the tastes of ukrainians in reading and music changing or have they really become less able to read and listen to the russian language ? do you know anything about russian cultural culture in general? product, this is the situation in our survey, er. we hoped, for some reason, we thought that not so many people would admit that they had previously consumed a cultural product in russian, but about

half of the people said that there is er, that there is such they have a sin in their hearts, so in the past there before a certain headquarters russian invasion, and when we asked people, what do you think , why not you there, yes, who knows about yourself, but there are some other people who listen to russian music there, for example, people mostly they answer again that there is force of habit, so they are used to some product that they like, and mr. sergey , before this call, we will definitely take a short break and put three dots in order to talk about this topic. next time with let's start with her. it just went on air time . sorry, that's about it. we're extremely grateful to you for joining. promise, we'll start with that topic. sergey shapovalov, analyst of the ilkakh kucherev democratic initiatives fund, was with us . we thank him.

and with you this hour were oleksiy gomon kateryna derkach thank you for your trust chevrons that bring victory closer our purpose is to be better every day we prove it in practice our work is below the enemy to protect our people our duty our operations change the course of war where we work we, the enemy, have no chance of success, we are the whole village of ukraine, glory to the special operations forces of the armed forces of ukraine, we do not notice them until we get sick, but they are the first to whom we turn for help

, guardian angels and who selflessly work in the rear and at the front under by shelling rockets and in the hottest spots, saving our most precious health and life . thank you very much . they were coming back the same way, they called 101, such an insane heat that reigns now in ukraine, we should not forget that in literally four months and 16 weeks, cold weather is waiting for us

, unlike the energy forecasters, they give more accurate forecasts, but they are not comforting, the next winter can be terrible. well, something we are already aware of the unforeseeable, for example, that the price of electricity has risen, the cost of probable heating is rising, and the price of fuel is rising steadily like a thermometer in august . we are working on energy, the price of capacities and the main question about the heat and light of another military winter. well, we will talk about it all with olena pavlenko , president of the analytical center of dixigroups . greetings, ms. olena. thank you for coming. greetings, ms. olena . so, you highlight the opinion of some experts about what next winter will be even scarier than before next winter will be difficult but i don't think it will be scarier than the previous one