[000:00:00;00] congratulations to bbc ukraine, olga palamaryuk is in court and today we are talking about saudi arabia, which is returning as a powerful player to the international arena . the trip is already being called historic, on the one hand, it makes it clear that saudi arabia remains an important player, and on the other hand, can ukraine take advantage of this? prince

mohammed of saudi arabia, salman, will probably come to in great britain, this information was made public by the financial times with reference to a source in the government. it is known that the invitation was sent to the crown prince of saudi arabia by the british side in fact. it is not yet known whether he accepted it, as well as the date of the trip, but how did the bbc find out about the alleged meeting of mohammed bin salman tarishi sonic will take place in the first half of october. why is this event worth paying attention to? well, first of all, because such a trip may become the first, and in time , the prince will be accused of involvement in the murder. journalist jamal khashoggi, so to begin with, let's recall this event. bbc correspondent highland cat was in great britain in march 2018, but six months after her visit to britain , journalist jamal khashoggi

was brutally killed at the saudi arabian embassy. objected some think his invitation now sends the wrong signal because and what are you whitewashing what we have to do is think about how we affect these countries and roll out the red carpet to welcome them as guests not the way now saudi arabia is spending a lot of money to reduce dependence on oil sales, including investing a lot in sports, including the purchase of the newcastle united football club . the group of countries of the persian gulf, the members of which are saudi arabia, these are six countries , among which arabia is the largest and most important - these are great opportunities for great britain, we already have more than 70 billion dollars in bilateral of trade and we hope to sign a trade agreement, given our exit from the european union, it is important for us to connect with other such trade agreements, a source in

the british government said that in their opinion, a stronger position is to work with saudi arabia and not to teach them from the outside , deputy leader of the opposition labor party, angela raynor said the dialogue between the countries is necessary but the prime minister of britain during the visit will have to raise the issue of human rights i would be very concerned i am very concerned about this invitation in which one gets the impression that the british government is sending a clear signal that great britain's leadership in human rights issues and something to be proud of is taking a back seat. when it comes to saudi arabia, which did not confirm the invitation to visit, saudi arabia has not yet said that it has accepted it, but according to sunak, he decided i hope to meet in person with the hereditary principle at the first opportunity, in any case , the approach to any visit will be very careful

before we continue, i will take a moment if you watch youtube, take a second to like it, the more your reactions and the more people will watch this release, the bbc ukraine team is working to tell what others are not talking about, and also write comments, we read everything and listen to your opinion bbc news ukraine our page that's what it's called . well, don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss our next broadcast and let's return to saudi arabia. as we saw in the story , the news about the possible visit of the prince was criticized by activists because they say this visit is a signal that the west is considering the possibility of the so-called rehabilitation of the prince on the world stage, so to look more broadly recently, saudi arabia is increasingly manifesting itself as a peacemaker in the russian-ukrainian war , we will return to this a little later, and for now , why the international criticism of the crown prince all these years mostly muffled and who is muhammad he salman

shared his thoughts on the bbc air diplomatic viewer frengardner he is a very controversial person on the one hand he is changing widowed arabia to better, he introduces social freedoms, he abolished the absurd ban on women driving cars , religious figures opposed it for decades, he allowed public entertainment, he diversified the economy , weaning it from oil dependence, he started large-scale mega projects, will they work or not but he has a vision for the future and it reflected in the project called vision 2030, but on the other hand, he rules in a country that has a very low level of respect for human rights in the first place western countries suspect him that he ordered or was involved in the terrible murder 5 years ago of the saudi journalist jamal khashoggi, he denies it according to the official version, it was a murder carried out

by rogue agents but this cannot be the case of the persian gulf i lived in that region there for many years yes it does not happen that these were government agents who arrived on one of the saudi official flights to istanbul and committed a murder in the consulate of saudi arabia, because this is not something that is done without permission, but the point is that saudi arabia is an extremely rich, powerful and important country and britain wants profits from its trillions of dollars of investment, it wants to cooperate with saudi arabia in areas such as bioenergy and other advanced technologies, but this can only happen with the participation of this person, so they are invited to britain of course i'm sure the government will raise the issue of human rights, and it will be discussed , but i don't think that it will necessarily change the state of affairs for muhammad bin salman, there is no doubt that he has

charisma, he is a physically stout man who has power and presence i met him during an audience with his father who is still the king but king salman is now in his 80's he is quite weak and has actually handed over most of his powers to his favorite son muhamme dubin salman while some of the other sons of the king have gone to study abroad crown prince mohammed stayed close to his father and studied government affairs, learning from him when i met them and it was in the royal palace in jeddah he was quietly writing something down behind him and when i asked what he does and it was about 10 years therefore he very modestly answered that he is only a lawyer now he has much more powers he has already accomplished a lot he became the minister of defense in 2015 he started a war with saudi arabia against the yemeni

houthis which ended in disaster both for udai arabia and for yemen he locked up all the princes and rich businessmen in the city of carlton, he removed the then crown prince mohammed vinnayef and essentially took all the levers of power into his hands and now his rule is not threatened by anyone, mohammed he salman is not the most influential person in the middle so, he is the one to be reckoned with, regardless of whether you like him or not. and what about this visit to ukraine, let's try to figure it out together with the head of the center for public analysis of the tower. valery klochok joins the air . greetings from valery. politics, geopolitics, well, before that, after all, saudi arabia had been ignoring it for five years. well, i did not ignore it, but close to that. well, i congratulate you, friends. they practically did not hear the position of

the saudi army in your near east. to some kind of dominant role in this region, everything changed very significantly with the beginning of a large-scale invasion, but not immediately , because if we take into account zelensky's communication with the prince, then yes, saudi arabia a lot. but they point out that saudi arabia can very, very significantly influence the geopolitical picture of the world in general, the visit to britain, in my opinion, is a very sign, especially in kinky, that the british still try to occupy equal a dominant role together with the united states of america and in the world in the issue of conflict resolution, including the cessation of russia against ukraine, and in this part , last year's visit of joseph biden to the middle east, which also did not end well at home, however, as it seems to me, to plant today, they waited that moment, as it is in

the practice of the middle east tradition, when they can declare themselves, namely the significant weight of saudi arabia on the hydrocarbon market, namely the oil production market, now as it seems to me this is the most important question, which can play a key role in the overall further development of events concerning him and russia against ukraine, so i hope that there will be contacts with the british and the united states of america who will significantly help us during the princes to great britain. russia's aggression can also be a topic for discussion. spoke as you think so unambiguously. i think that this will be a key topic because it was not by chance that it was held in gg itself , or rather, not itself, how to call it correctly, but a conference on preparation for the global the peace summit, which i felt was much stronger than the copenhagen meeting that took place at the end of june, and i believe that it was saudi arabia that was chosen by the united states

of america and the european union, in agreement, of course, with the leadership of saudi arabia as a country that will be dominant , at least claim to be dominant in the middle east although there are indeed rivals in this process, they are many, the same cancer , and israel, in the end , claims a lot, and egypt. on the other side of the red sea, this is also a very interesting story, but to judge they are really quite powerful economically, that's why right now they have the lever of influence in their hands on whether they will be able to ensure the shortage of science on the market that may arise as a result of blocking the port of russian oil, because this is a key issue. last year, this was discussed with saudi arabia . they announced that and silently announced that they will be in one union with russia, they did not increase or decrease oil production, they adjusted according to the market and earned the same

today, saudi arabia understands that it can get more dividends because of the fact that russia cannot win the war against ukraine, so i really hope that the issue of ukraine is the dominant one in the further role of saudi arabia in general in the world, it becomes , well, it declares its powerful role to be equal to china, india, the united states of america , and the european union. moreover, they can pull it economically. what is happening, of course, we should not put on rose -colored glasses and think that saudi arabia is only pursuing ukrainian national interests there . no, this is not true at all, but when a diplomatic geopolitical discussion is conducted against the background of various military conflicts, it necessarily takes into account the interests of those or other parties that can play into the hand of this situation in ukraine, including, in my opinion, it is

oil that can become the key influence on russia today, but this is not about ukrainian the question is about saudi arabia, which can extract much more minerals and sell them at the same price, but in this way, it can significantly hit russia, so i think that in britain, which for many years has been pursuing the idea of ​​russia developing to pieces saudi arabia will definitely have common interests in this area. i have great hope that the united states of america will join this dialogue sooner or later. the authorities of ukraine managed to establish relations with saudi arabia, if possible. in short, if we talk about the establishment of relations , i stated in a different way how far we can communicate with saudi arabia in principle

. a revealing moment proves that saudi arabia is loyal to ukraine , at least it may not demonstrate its commitment to the defeat of russia at the political level there, but it is precisely this kind of dialogue between the leaders of the states that, in my opinion, is the most important an indicator of the fact that today we are the face of saudi arabia and at least received support, let it be an ally, but support thank you for the conversation valery klychok, the head of the center for public analytics, the tower was on our air well, that's all we have time to talk about today, look for more stories on our website bbc.ua and also on our pages in social networks, we are on the air again on

monday, not all is well and take care . good health. my lady is called mykola veresen. as you can see, there is no vitaliy portnikova , even some people have asked me to transfer i can't congratulate him. he's on business in kyiv , so i'll spend it. well, at least i'll try . it won't be as good as when portnikov is here. but i'll try to cope with this difficult task. in front of you and in front of me, mr. dmitry, thank you for finding the time on friday evening and i have a few questions for you. see first, this

is more of an evil political and military question . information has arrived that f-16 fighters of the production of the united states, denmark and the netherlands can provide ukraine because the white house said that they can. other military experts say that if there are less than 12, there is no point. well, they won't do anything on the front line, but if there are 12, then somehow it really helps to pass these front -line fortifications of the russians, please remember from 40 to the institute unit at 16 but worth it to say that it is numo identification of the 80s. that is, we must clearly understand what is being transferred. the first moment, the second moment

, the number of 16 transferred will depend on the contract with argentina. i will remind you of the signed corresponding contract. the position of the united states on this contract will also depend on the number of all aircraft that ukraine received for the minimum number that we can count on, up to approximately 40 f16 units, how much they will strengthen the position of the armed forces forces of ukraine. let's talk about the fact that before the large-scale military invasion, the communications had a little more than 100 combat aircraft of various models. that is, this is a serious strengthening of the position of the armed forces, taking into account the fact that this universal fighter can work on aerodynamic aeroballistic keels against ground targets. the basis for nato countries, so uh well, we can welcome

similar decisions of the american side, and then please explain the role of argentina, here you are. if you emphasized that there is argentina somewhere, that is that the europeans will come to the argentinians instead, they will receive from the united states and these planes will then go to ukraine, did i understand correctly , or is it explained, please, about the transfer of the equipment of the e-e air forces, respectively, and the data of the netherlands to more modern ones, such as 35 and, respectively, as 16 e those which, let's say, will be written off according to the contract, were to be sold argentine third-party, but taking into account the situation on the front line and, accordingly, the need of the ukrainian side for this multi-purpose fighters, a decision was made to

their transfer to ukraine is clear and now i thank you for explaining because i like to get to the end , so to speak and they studied geography, obviously before the great war, and did not know where it was, now everyone knows how big the role of these fertile old mayorskies is in these small settlements, and the ukrainian army, which i see , is proud of what we took here, we entered here we cleaned up, we entrenched, we repel attacks, why is this important? is this direction, or is it really the direction of the main strike? well, let's not talk about the main strike, the explanation of why the importance of hector is major and, accordingly, affects the first line of defense, and these are the key

defensive points of the russian army, respectively , if we took the doctor and for now we are moving in the direction of e stara majorska and currently battles are already being fought on the approaches to e-e staro majorska, so we can talk about the fact that we reached the second line of defense of the russian occupiers yesterday the old grinder is re-threading and, accordingly, e-e p mykola, the main thing that ukrainians should understand is that the actual meaning of the breakthrough of this line of defense has been overcome, the line of solid mining has been overcome, that which slowed down the advance of the armed forces of ukraine and the second harvest, we provide an opportunity to develop successes on the flanks in the priyutnaya district and in the district novodnice, if it is currently happening, that is , the front of the advance of the armed forces of ukraine is expanding , they are returning, as they are called, the teeth of the dragons, the wedge into the ukrainian defense is

a serious success, we can say that on this in the area of ​​the front, we intercepted the strategic initiative and the management of the operational reserves of the armed forces of the russian federation has not resolved the issue at the moment, there is an advance. can you refute or confirm the information that has been received in the last literally two days regarding the fact that there is such a certain confusion in the general staff of the russian federation because they are trying somewhere to move their troops there from the far east and now there is success there in zaporizhzhia and they don’t know where to interrupt where where to strengthen something to weaken where to transfer whom and here are two if two directions a-

a er-e luhansk kharkiv and zaporizhzhia they put how about a circular e-e russian general staff they don't know what to do this is this true is this is this are we passing off wishful thinking no p mykola corresponds to reality and let's use specific examples of success i went to the bakhmut district in the klichtivka district andriivka forced the occupiers transfer additional units of the 83rd e-e brigade to the area of ​​the top of the same bakhmut direction of the 89th airborne division above the airborne troops, which until now attacked the positions of the armed forces of ukraine in the liman direction. that is, due to the successful operation in the lutsk direction , we pressure on the lymanskyi , which is considered the most problematic for the armed forces , let's move on p. mykola e.e. zaporizhzhia direction nyzhativsky district, the work is already famous no

less than and impresses in the work area of ​​nadzi , kherson direction, thrown the most combat-capable air division above the airborne troops, at the same time, the division from the kherson direction, which covered the direction of the cossacks and the oleshka camp, they are currently covering the places of the successful counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine in the area of ​​work of verbove, these examples clearly show that in the russian army , first of all, there is no longer in fact , they transfer the most combat-capable units of the operational reserves. from one section of the front to another, and the second - about the successful actions of the armed forces of ukraine , because you agree, mr. mykolayovych well, not comradeship if uh, well, we would be working hard here, it is unlikely that the russian general staff would transfer some of the most combat-capable units to strengthen their positions on certain problematic areas of the front for them, one more question. well

, strategically, maybe i don’t know, maybe tactically, i just studied it yesterday i was sitting there in the evening in front of the computer, i remembered valuyki, it is on the territory of russia, it is such a hub station, very powerful . railway, i somehow remembered the valuev decree of the 19th century about the ban on the ukrainian language, some kind of coincidence, and then the second the world war, the valuikas were just the headquarters of the soviet army, during which this whole line was cut and rolled to stalingrad, the shorter one is so important, but the question is whether you can go there. i understand that this is russian territory, but it borders very close, and all the experts tell me the successes of the russian army, if you can call them successes on that part of the front only because the front fell very close and they can supply people there because i have a set of people with weapons and then if it is cut off, i thought with my non

-military political head, that is possible somehow it will be possible to signal and weaken the russian army, we can shoot there, eh, mark, you know, in ukrainian imperialism , it’s nice to wallow, it’s historical ukrainian lands , so it’s worth talking about the fact that this type of actions will actually be considered not only from paid fire on eh the main logistics center on the territory of the russian federation, but also the creation of preconditions for the return of ukrainian lands . does the infrastructure, that is, a short supply arm, allow the occupiers to conduct a successful campaign in the ukrainian direction, that is, the transfer of the operational reserves of the bc and the rotation and, accordingly , the means of attack on the ukrainian side, the same

drones are modified as many as 200 and even point u will fly there if there is a great need for the armed forces ukraine should therefore consider such scenarios, i have repeatedly emphasized that the ukrainian side can declare the legality of strikes on the logistical military infrastructure of the territory of the russian federation is already legally not prohibited. these are military goals, that is, we have all the reasons, i repeat once again, for preemptive strikes against the russian occupiers' cycloistic hubs , now this is a broader issue, please call on some experts to get ready for a protracted war and western experts and ukrainian experts and ukrainian officials ms. virishchuk, the vice-prime minister says that it can last a long time when i start looking at

financial russia at economic russia at diplomatic russia at pre-election russia i'm starting to look at the supply of the ukrainian army, which they didn't have. maybe it's not enough, but it is, uh, the success of the ukrainian army on the front line. i don't have such a thing , i can't find how to tell you. i can't find an argument in support of a long war. permission, according to the estimates of western intelligence, the economic potential of the russian federation despite the sanctions package allows for an active nature of combat and active if one and a half years gdp as it is not paradoxical, but in russia it is increasing this is the second six months, you know the main thing is that even without the availability of the latest equipment, there was never enough of it in russia and not

the soviet scrap metal that remained on the basis of long-term storage. -55, then 6264 and other equipment, they are used by the armed forces of ukraine. but the main thing that the occupiers can count on is a mobilization reserve, a human reserve, a prepared mobilization reserve of 1.7 million with a total mobilization reserve 10-12, i.e., mykola will use the tactics of the second world war, if even they are given moshi rifles of the first world war type , they will use the so-called meat assaults to overwhelm the positions of the armed forces of ukraine with their bodies, although the tactics, unfortunately, have been demonstrated by the occupiers and during the bakhmut events and in soledar and others

on e-e let's say this part of the front, the numerical superiority of manpower is the main argument of russia , not even nuclear weapons. initiatives the right thing was with us. thank you, mr. dmytro , for finding time for us. thank you very much. we are now closer to diplomacy, although any diplomacy in modern conditions is also military policy . will appear i hope on our screens good health mrs. ivanna thank you that this is the time for us and here is a question for you well now we have to say probably a diplomat too

yes otherwise it will not work but look diplomat diplomat okay, let there be an assistant, look how alone this is, it may not be a very patriotic question on my part, but this is a throw-in from a nato official that maybe we should consider the option of joining nato without any ukrainian territories captured by russia in your opinion on the table in principle well, i i understand that this will not be widely discussed , this will not be public policy, but we know that diplomacy is not public and is on the table. do you think that all options should be on the table, the option of complete victory, the option of crossing even border we have just discussed the boulders on the territory of russia, but the expert says that this is a completely legitimate goal and the options are to free everything , options for the defeat of russia, options to leave