[000:00:00;00] look at how much it is, it may not be a very patriotic question on my part, but this is a question from a nato official that it is possible that we should consider the option of joining nato without any ukrainian territories captured by russia, according to your opinion. on the table. in principle, well, i understand what it is it will not be widely discussed, it will not be public policy, but we know that diplomacy is not public and is on the table. do you think all options should be the option of complete victory, the option of even crossing the border? we have just discussed roller coasters which are on the territory of russia, but the expert says that this is a completely legal goal and the options are to liberate everything, options for the defeat of russia, options

to leave some part of the pass to russia, i don’t know which 10 km 2 km 4 m or some part of crimea and so on because war is war we cannot imagine a 100% victory. no, no, wars have never ended with a 100 % victory, what do you say? well, for sure, 100% victory would be to raise the flag of ukraine over the kremlin. i think that we certainly do not count on such a victory. the full restoration of international law, the work of international law, our territorial integrity is important to us. it would be important to return our ukrainian territories . it seems obvious to me that our diplomats , ukrainian diplomats, should not conduct a

conversation from the point of view of considering various options. and what part of the territory to give or cede or what territory can a-a be traded? i also understand that directly in the north atlantic version of such a discussion is also not conducted a-a such thoughts, as far as i remember, they sounded somewhere in a little bit of others plans, er, peace plans that were voiced by other players in the world, er, who talked about the fact that they also have their own peace-making initiatives to manage, er, someone calls it a crisis, someone else calls it something else, but it is real to manage a-a military the situation of war between the russian federation and ukraine well, in

fact, between the russian federation and uh, with a huge, huge amount of effort, and on the part of the countries of the free world as well, because we uh, very significantly depend on their help and our courage and ours determination is definitely unfortunately not enough in this fight in this battle because we need shells we need weapons we need equipment and we need everything for yesterday so we are very dependent on this help but uh as far as i understand there were various uh- well, there are variants of the interpretation of these words that were uttered. this is the head of the stoltenberg cabinet. actually, he was explaining that he was saying that it was not from him, and that such an initiative is taking place in nato , and others are proposing it, and that's why i would like

us to definitely be there. they clearly stated that and that for us, such initiatives, and from our partners, are definitely not acceptable. yes, and something broke down with us in connection with ms. ivanna , yes, that's the story. yes , it will happen now. they spoke reasonedly and very clearly and responded really to serious challenges and did not react where well, it seemed that some stone was thrown and from it one or other circles went on the water and did not provoke additional circles and did not take it at face value, here it is very careful this too

about diplomacy, it is also about the importance of our mutual understanding with our partners, and i am convinced that sometimes we lack this prudence for objective or subjective reasons, and more and more we make the same mistakes when we learn to fight against the shada against our own partners, what should not be done? ivan, one more question is very important and so fragile. i would say that mr. kuleba. the minister of foreign affairs says - kyiv does not feel the pressure of the west regarding the pace of the counterattack, on the one hand, you are a great specialist in diplomacy in relations civilized countries, but on the other hand, you are in the opposition, and you have free hands, so you think there is pressure, there are some, but we see some articles coming out, we see some hints about which we have just talked about some officials

, there are not enough of them, they are not enough to say oh- oops, everything is gone, but do you feel that the last month has really been two, well, maybe two and a half, i wouldn’t even say three, something appears and such and such panicky moods sometimes in ukrainian social networks, everything has disappeared and so on this is all for you to say, as an experienced person who feels , maybe not even in the knowledge , let's say by feeling, by the number of signals, there are some moods that let's go faster or give more aggressively to let's do something there and then we will leave you we will help about what also very often. at least from russia, these narratives come out there that let's stop aid because, well, it is not possible for you in your ukraine to win against our great russia. well, let's be honest with each other and

be honest with our viewers and we will understand that the help of the free world is not a given, the free world will continue to help us as long as we really defend our principles, our convictions , our freedom, our democracy and share these values ​​with these countries and this will coincide with their beliefs and with the beliefs of their societies, from the moods and settings of society, it will depend a lot on how politicians will act, this is the first thing about the counter offensive and expectations and pressure or not pressure on me for about 4-5 months therefore, in the middle of the beginning of spring, there was an absolutely clear understanding that, unfortunately

, our e partners have some excessive and inflated expectations from the counteroffensive, and at that moment it was very dangerous, and i believe that these inflated expectations appeared precisely because of the position of the ukrainian authorities and the communication of the ukrainian authorities, and this is the kind of treason with which the ukrainian authorities set up the ukrainian society and our foreign partners for the potential results of the counteroffensive, and here it seems to me that again we very harshly and did not overestimate the enemy, and this is just now, the military expert who took part in it spoke about certain elements of the enemy's tactics, which they will use, which are predicted even well, not specialists in military matters and

the enemy i did not expect that when the ukrainians go to the counteroffensive, when they receive additional weapons, they will have a sufficient number of newly trained additional units that can strengthen our armed forces and our defense forces, and the enemy mined our territory, the enemy of the game in the trenches in three lines, and the enemy was very seriously entrenched in our captured territories. and that is why we actually had to gain every new meter of the conquered ukrainian land at such a high daily cost, and it seems to me that at the moment, these are the expectations that were in western capitals. they also, well, somehow became much more commensurate with real assessments, with real expectations, with real opportunities, and uh, i’m probably here, in this

case, i will still agree with mr. kuleba that really, well, from the point of view there and those people who make decisions today in the key capitals who are, say, members of the rammstein group in relation to ukraine we do not see this pressure in relation to ukraine we do not see this pressure in relation to counteroffensive thank you very much ivan klympush sensad for chairing the verkhovna rada committee on ukraine's integration into the european union thank you huge, i won't tell you about everything at once, we managed to talk, but time flies and we run together with time, and they tell me that they could have talked a little more, but now there will be

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news from the scene live kamikaze drone attacks political analysis objectively and meaningfully there is no political season exclusive interviews reports from the hottest points of the front freedom life frankly and impartially draw your own conclusions my dad was a sniper for the tankers, he stood so well that no organization was able to sneak up on our positions, he even received an order, and mine knocked out two enemy tanks and destroyed an entire warehouse of ammunition

. and my dad served in air defense and shot down rockets over kiev, finally, i can tell about it in a cool way. well, look. so now we will talk with the editor-in-chief of the portal, participation in the description, new poland, the volunteer speaks. he is ukrainian, yevgeny klimakin, but before that, i i'll just inform you that there is such a girl called diana panchenko. to be honest, i can't call her a journalist, but she is. well, now it's fashionable to say propagandist . well, she's more of a propagandist. she communicated with lukashenka. lukashenko doesn't give interviews to anyone, as we all know. and where is people whom he trusts, and apparently this person is the one he trusts. lukashenko wants to participate in the negotiations between ukraine and russia , because he is a co-aggressor in this case, as

he said on the other hand, russia will never return the crimea to ukraine. this is what he also said to ms. diana he said a lot, but what is interesting in general, it seems to me that more and more people like putin lukashenko are the servants of putin and lug or lukashenko , psychiatrists should be invited together with journalists because mr. lukashenko well, he is such a bright uncle in this sense, he he lies all the time and it seems to me that he just needs to sleep with a psychiatrist, he forgets what he said yesterday or does he remember what he said yesterday green and today he says white and the day after tomorrow yellow and after three days another one and this is so to speak and to the extent that he hears he is like that, at the same time, his eyes are honest, what is the impression that he really has some kind of problem with his head, he just forgets everything, you know

, squirrels have such a problem, they can hide food for the future there for the winter period and then they can't find it, they don't remember where they hid they hid so-and-so a belarusian squirrel named lukashenka she if something gurgled yesterday ah ah everyone remembers that he was yesterday well, today he says all this differently than yesterday i said let's listen what he said is also interesting of course russia i will never in my life go to the point of returning krym. well, as you say, this will not happen. i still doubt that it is possible to agree on something here in the east, but russia is ready, you know, to talk about any topic.

but you don't want to be pushed by the americans until you don't want it. yes, you see. yes, yes, it's very funny in one sentence, in one sentence, the beautiful lukashenko says on any topic , he tells you but krym is without chances. except crimea, donbass, luhansk oblast, yes, yes, yes, not joining nato, leaving, more precisely, leaving even the candidates for the european community , and so on. well, it’s short and that’s in one sentence. but we’ll talk about it , maybe we’ll have it. the editor-in-chief of the portal of the new poland magazine, a volunteer is in touch with us. good health, mr. yevgeny. thank you for finding time for us. good health . it is an honor to talk to you. good evening

. thank you. don't listen to that such a paradox in the style of lukashenka and why are we talking about him at all, this in general, no listen, we will talk because sometimes some planes take off in poland and here everyone hides in bomb shelters at least there here in lviv and that's why well, it has to be, but when i look more with a sober eye, i always think but in poland they are somehow really afraid, they react, they are nervous, they have some kind of shaking , so i don't know the muscles there, it's just interesting. because when i look from the side, ok, we are used to hiding in bean silos, but i can't see from lukashenko, there is no danger except for small provocations. and what do the poles say, what is happening there, how do they react to it? mykola, two weeks ago, i slept with the deputy

, former deputy minister of defense of poland , valdemaromsk shibchyk, and he told me the following, not that they are not afraid, they e- as he said now, i will quote him that they are keeping their weapons at the ready, that is, there will be a step and a half step into the territory of poland, they are reading the territory for that and lukashenka and this whole hop campaign will get him in the face even though we all we understand that lukashenko is a zero - this is a six. is he a person who does not make, well, he is a clown who does not make any decisions and all those scenarios that he implements in the kremlin, they are written , that is why in poland they look at it skeptically from one side and from the other it is simple understand the degree of inadequacy of the person who called himself the president of belarus and that he will really do everything he is told in the kremlin , that is why poland is raising troops on the territory

of belarus, that is why poland is building a border and walls on the territory adjacent to the territory of belarus and in every possible way, they fence themselves off from the territory of inadequacy, which is unfortunately, under the leadership of mr. lukashenka, today's belarus is now to poland, important important issues are coming up, elections are coming. are more loyal to russia than to ukraine , as far as we can imagine the entry of this confederation into the polish parliament and some pressure on other parties that are loyal to ukraine and what can we say about it p p when you look at the fact that they will enter the parliament

in general unequivocally according to the latest social polls in the confederation there were, if my memory serves me, 12.5%, that is, they are already in the parliament, they were and will be in the parliament the parliament, moreover, as you said, there is, for example, one of their bright leaders, this is corvin mika, who, well, he directly calls putin honorable. he goes to all these sabbaths and to the embassy of the russian federation to all these yes, and in principle i repeat the rhetoric that we we know the kremlin, let's say i don't know exactly what happened in buchi, and these were statements that there was nothing bad in mariupol either, that it was russia that was liberating , etc. and now it is on the one hand yes, but still, the federation you mentioned is such a group in which are concentrated very different

people who, in principle, it is difficult to understand what unites them, in fact it is not clear what unites them because there are a lot of people in the confederation who absolutely do not support such russian rhetoric, let's call it directly, and not so long ago my a colleague was talking to one of the leaders confederation, he said that they are on the contrary this pre-election period. and we know that on october 15 parliamentary elections will be held in poland, that they, on the contrary, want to distance themselves from anti-ukrainian rhetoric and, on the contrary, there will be such messages that ukrainians who passed through them must be assimilated so that they learn the polish language to somehow help families where the children learn the condition well, etc., etc. therefore, it is on the one hand, but if you allow me, i would like to say one thing, we still have time for you, because very often with ukraine , we look at prospects and it seems to us that there are

there is such a party, this one will come, it will be bad, these will be better, these will stay, it will be the same , i, as a ukrainian who has lived in poland for 14 years, want to say one thing now , on the eve of the elections, ukrainians and ukraine have become a trivial topic for everyone, it has become uncomfortable for everyone topic, i will explain why. because after the start of the great war , a large-scale invasion, what happened? all poles very sincerely rushed to help by the millions, and at the state level, this happened at the level of non- governmental organizations of the third sector, at the level of ordinary people who traveled and gave everything they helped to the border. it has been a long time since they helped a lot, very intensively, and part of polish society is already tired of this topic and now politicians. every political party that goes to the elections , even

if it wants to get the votes of its voters. there are these people who are already tired of this topic and will say oh lord, give ukraine again about this , we have our own problems, we have inflation, and the walls are going up, we have our own problems, we wish the health care service was better and so on and so on that's why these two months it's better for us ukrainians not to worry at all and don't bother with polish affairs because let the elections take place and then we'll see , mr. yevhen, i have a strange question for you, such an antithesis to many concerns in ukraine, many people say about some kind of demographic catastrophe that awaits ukraine precisely in view of the fact that there are many ukrainians in poland , many ukrainians in germany, they have all left , no one will return, everything

. the newspaper may have some hint, some small discussion, i believe that this is a small discussion, that if there is a reconstruction of ukraine, if tens and hundreds of huge billions come to ukraine , then not ukrainians will not return, but people like poles will want to earn money, who have the experience of transforming socialism into capitalism , which they all went through the transformation and not only the political economy, the financial economy is any and they will say to that, but my salary here is 5,000 €, and in ukraine it will be 10. so i will go to ukraine and i will be here in poland, then i have this impression

that everything will be the other way around, everyone is shouting oh, there, there, that’s different . this is what i’m saying, no, the europeans will come to help from there, because very tempting conditions can arise here. this means that we are talking about very big money and, in principle , this is a continuation of what you started . indeed, i have heard a lot of conversations about this. indeed, these are not only conversations, but also specific plans of the great polish business. i will not to talk about what happens next, i will talk about the country in which i live, as i already said, for 14 years and know it a little, i heard the conversations of big business, people who are waiting for the moment when it will be possible to enter with capital, invest, earn , receive, develop and so on. and it’s clear, it’s clear, some business people are waiting, sometimes it’s such naive expectations because they don’t know ukrainian

realities, i don’t know what they will meet, and so on. some of them have a rather idealistic perception of ukraine, which is fighting heroically and so on that it won't happen at all. it's all so idealistic that people have defeated russia, that means they have defeated corruption and so on and so on and so on and so on and so it will be simple how to do business in europe, you and i understand that it just doesn't happen in our country, we need something a little ask even the familiar yes, but it really is so, a lot of people want to come to ukraine, mr. yevgeny, one more question , it is purely internal polish, it is more like a philosophy. i was in poland very often in the 90s , when poland was breaking away from socialism , transformations were underway by many leaders

at that time, and it was in second place after hungary, then because hungary was considered the fastest, they just don’t see it going at all, or nothing, we all go to europe. so , if it was in second place. and now i have a question for you, but then sufficiently conservative forces came and i do some such strange conclusion that the faster a country makes transformations, the faster it then hits the brakes, that this conservatism, these constant suspicions of brussels towards warsaw , you have these transformations here, these reforms are bad, and the poles say, in spite of everything, we we remain poles and our primacy is polish, not all european. and if you asked any politician in 1999 , all the poles would shout that we are europeans in first , second, third place. or maybe

you are poles in fourth place. and now the poles say, well, i have attention and the establishment, we poles are in the first second third place, and then we are europeans, is this wave coming to an end from your point of view, is this skepticism about the european , or has poland already experienced this disease? what do you think, well, look for sure mykola, this same conservatism was not born today, it is not here it did not appear in the 15th year, when a conservative party came to power - this is one time, and the second - poland is a democratic, free country , in which the inhabitants of this country, without falsification, without manipulation, elected the first conservative government, this was the first thing i said

the second is whether conservatives are good or bad, and this kind of approach