[000:00:00;00] and the wave is ending from your point of view, is this skepticism about europeanness, has poland already experienced this disease ? what do you think, look for sure mykola, this same conservatism was not born today, it is not, it did not appear in the 15th year, when the conservative party came to power poland is a democratic free country , in which the inhabitants of this country elected a conservative government without falsification, without manipulation. this is the first thesis. the approach is due to the fact that poland was like this and not another, it is a catholic believer , it is in many ways the catholic church and this conservatism. he allowed to get out of the communist this case, the church

was very often a place where people met, there are their own activists, eh, i don’t know, right? papilushko, who was a chaplain of solidarity, whom the special services of the communist period of the polish people's republic killed because he was a chaplain of the solidarity movement is one thing. where is conservatism? now i want to give you such a case, an example of how ukraine got dividends from polish conservatism already now, after the start of the great war, a full-scale invasion, see thanks to the fact that the current government of poland is in very such tense, let's call it cautiously relations, for example, with germany and more than once , there were conflicts with the european union, it does not have this deterrent effect. for example, if they don't like something , then we keep quiet, we won't say anything and let it be that way because brussels is always right, the case

of the easel coalition. we will remember what were the appeals of ukraine, full-scale war. tanks are needed and so on and we remember how old europe was silent and so on and we remember how poland was officially absolutely not afraid to be a pioneer and to go to such a little confrontation with brussels and say no it is not necessary as if you are wrong old europe should also give tamkas and we ukrainians have them that's why listen, i'm a ukrainian, er, as a person who was born in ukraine, i look at this and simply treat the choice of poles with respect , it's important for us what to understand yes, there is such a sinusoid, they study the attitude of the poles, it means

ukrainians have been aware of this since 1991, and this year we had an absolute record . a third, well, they are so purple. let's say, a ukrainian, chinese or sonduran, whoever you want, we now have an indicator when more than half of the poles seem to be sympathetic to ukrainians, uh , or with a large or a very large part, and we see that this process is is going it is going because there used to be disproportions when the ukrainians had a positive attitude towards the poles, but here, because of all these different historical moments, volyn and so on, there were still a lot of such negative attitudes, and now we are entering the stage that i believe we and the poles and ukrainians cannot lose this. these are the mutual understandings, and especially let it not be in these categories, you know. i don't like it when they say the fraternal peoples, but we were

the fraternal peoples ... it's better that he doesn't existed let's be good neighbors, respect each other and remember that we have a common enemy, this is a very important issue, the press, the free polish press, what is written about the attention we have for one minute, literally, about the behavior of ukrainians, are there any such waves of dissatisfaction there, attempts to give bribes, are there any drunken fights, something like this is happening, and does it gain such nationwide publicity ? are these such separate uh, if you discovered the manifestations of the tabloid media, such situations appear, the topic of ukraine compared to the beginning of a full-scale

much less appears and of course there are those who sympathize or work to work off dirty russian rubles or something like that useful idiots and believe in what russia says and they very often such things appear in them and in on social networks and on the pages of some portals, but it is in the minority. thank you very much yevgeny klimakin , editor-in-chief of the portal new poland magazine, our volunteer. and in general, as you noticed, ukrainian patriot, this is important . now we will move from poland, which is close to us, to distant china to the far east. ihor litvy, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the people's republic of china from 1999 to 2001

, co-chairman of the ukrainian-chinese business council. now we will see him. good health, mr. igor. thank you for finding time for us. here are these chinese theses, it is not worth giving arms to ukraine, because it prolongs the war, well, if it seems to me that it is at the root , it is simply a mistake. chinese, let's not give weapons, you don't give ukraine weapons, and ukraine will lose the war with russia and go to the border with europe . well, that's about it, i agree, because this chinese philosophy, ah, in this statement, it contains a very, well, serious trap if it is perceived e- eh as eh his let's say so eh

line of behavior agreeing to the implementation of the chinese peace plan of 12 points, which provides in principle the same thing about what you just said, i.e. we must respect territorial integrity sovereignty of all countries but at the same time, we must respect the security of each state, meaning first of all the russian federation , which at the end of the 21st year wanted to announce, let's put it this way, an ultimatum to the collective event, which they say , get your nato away from our borders as well as further and return the situation up to the level of 1997, and if

you don't do it, then we will be left with ourselves to solve these problems as we see them, and they decided that way and attacked ukraine now , as for e-e china in china as it has been for a long time i have said and repeat that he pursues exclusively his chinese interests, and now we can say a lot about what, say , the visit of the minister of defense of china , forest moscow, to belarus means, if we go by what the chinese themselves say about it, then this is another another demonstration of the comprehensive partnership between china and ukraine. moreover, lisom fu himself said that he was simply carrying out what the heads of states had agreed on, meaning the period before

the invasion and in beijing when the butler was there is before the olympics and the march visit of all the zimps to moscow. and i say that i am only carrying out what they have agreed upon, but there are very significant signs that , let's put it this way, it is impossible to talk about the fact that this is a mechanical implementation that he came to moscow, the formal reason is participation in the security conference, where he once again repeated, as it were, the chinese vision of how this conflict should be ended, as they say , but we cannot ignore the fact that at this very time was deployed in moscow the international army exhibition 20-23 where the chinese

stand was the largest and it uh, it means, it caused the admiration of uh, the swampy minister of defense, shoigu, with its uh, versatility , let's say, equal to uh, the weapons that were presented in this stand, this means once again that china demonstrates not so much his support, but his support for his concept. we are partners with russia forever, and thus we want the collective event to pay attention to the fact that it is here between china and russia. and the power that cannot be used to pay attention although there are other opinions . look, mr. igor, i have this question for you regarding other opinions. i absolutely agree with you. i myself watched over this in the army of 20-23 and what it was for, and so on, and on the other hand, i watch over the fact that

chinese oil imports from iran increases catastrophically and this squeezes out russian oil from china and such friendship friendship friendship frontshaft is great and grain we and china are russia everything is fine but china says no we need less russian oil no less we will pay the russians and we will pay more to the iranians i.e. here too some kind of wonder well, i don't think there's anything strange about china's pragmatic interests if iranian oil although they circumvent international sanctions and pass it off as zamaloz or some kind of mixture of something or something, it's still cheaper

than the russian one, and it is very profitable in the sense that it can be used to pump the necessary chinese tanks for its economy, eh , today i read that the record was simply reached, which means that the bar is one and a half million barrels per day, which means that ah friendship friendship and pies are more profitable in russia. we take them there, and this is confirmed by some of the opinions of the russian experts themselves , who say that it is much more dangerous for russia to strengthen china than the united states, because as part of the exercises , a large number of military commanders sense and sunz mean uh hmm you have to attack your neighbor and

have friendship with someone who is far away, then this is understandable . moreover, the bipolar world led by china and the united states and according to moscow experts is much more dangerous than unipolar led by the united states, we know clearly that russia from time to time beats itself in the chest, they say that we are supporters of western values ​​and so on. this is not about now. this is not about this period when everyone means satanists and against but it means that china in this sense acts in the same way as the west in the 90s, it does not develop the russian economy. and it just does what is profitable for it. well, let's say that it replaces those corporations that left russia and

sells its products, including dual-purpose products, and this is another means and the feature of the fact that china has its own interests and does not pay attention to the interests of its comprehensive and unlimited in time and partner in the form of russia, because it is profitable for us now, that is, we are doing so profitably, one more important question, an important question, i am knocking on wood here you have to find it somewhere, i don’t know if it’s a tree or not a tree, but let’s imagine the victory of ukraine in the war with russia, the exit of ukraine to its borders, uh , everything is recognized in the world.

speculative, even i would say a question, mr. ambassador. i apologize, but i wonder if china's policy towards russia will change. will china want to continue comprehensive friendship with a country that lost the war? maybe it's not a strong war, not a nuclear war. experts say that everything in the world can change in this case and in africa and the near east and the near east that russia has ceased to be such an important factor, what do you say, mr. ambassador, i say that we are again returning to what china is interesting, china is interested in what is happening, it corresponds to their chinese interests, and therefore if even russia, well, even i really want it to lose as soon as possible, like all of us. yes , when russia loses, china will still be friends with russia because they are suitable for russia let's put it this way, the prospects, first of all, we mean the possibility of involving

russia in a possible, probable, means, uh , force option for solving the taiwan problem, because it will be very uh convenient for china, this is the first, the second, we mean that russia is the largest nuclear power in terms of the fact that they have 6,000 warheads, and china only has 400, and it only plans to increase by the 35th year, so this the level up to 1500 will not be good. so, i don’t know how to proceed. therefore, this nuclear ally of china has a certain importance , and all the more so to develop a comprehensive friendship with china, if such a profitable partner means in from an economic point of view, it is

agricultural products, it is energy resources not like that. we will already take russian oil in volume, but it will still be taken, so i think nothing will remain, nothing will change, everything will remain as it should be, although of course there will be maneuvering, and china in its relations with the european union, they say , you see, the war ended before what we clicked means on a-a russia, which we were asked to connect with the states because er-e you want - you don't want and it still means these two countries are going as competitors as rivals but not yet enemies and i think i hope that before that there are no

valid questions see important question in us there are still a couple of minutes, that is, enough time. the mayor of the capital of taiwan, taipei, is visiting china amid tensions around the island. and we know that this mayor is more about mainland china , that is , for friendship with china. some hugs to be embraced and the history of hong kong has not taught us anything taiwan the fact is that not 100% of taiwanese are they defend the position of an independent taiwan about 70 percent yes but the arrest is aimed at mainland china and we have a clear to realize that legally taiwan is part of china let's take history let's say the last history of the 20th century when both

chiang kai-shek who went to taiwan and mao zedong clearly considered taiwan as the territory of china , no one had objections here only after, as it were er china became communist, then different movements began on the part of the united states when in the 50s they signed a corresponding agreement there, but they still recognize er taiwan as a territory of china, so there is nothing strange here, different political views what about us? we have to mean the presidential elections next year, there will be an interesting situation when there will be a struggle between the supporters of independence and us supporters of returning to our native

family . thank you very much. council was with us and now we are moving to another pole with you because we say and now two poles are being formed, i.e. one as was the united states and you instead of russia appeared china and from china to the united states states to i hope dmitry abramson, a political spectator from the united states, i hope he will appear now and we will talk with him then and what is there in the united states good health and in russian i forgot completely or you speak okay i will be with you then in ukrainian because in we have such mixed legislation that sometimes it is more profitable according to the legislation for me to speak in ukrainian anyway, as you answer, this legislation does not go around, look how much we are just crossing the bridge with

uh, we were just talking about china and now we we say that the united states, japan, south korea have gathered for a summit on the issue of beijing in general, the situation around china is serious, it means something, it really means that america can start some kind of military action in the area in china in the area and ivaniv in the area on the korean peninsula, this is what everyone should be nervous about, because there japan is already going there and they are already meeting. what does this mean? well, this is not black and white . a few steps forward, of course, no one is talking now, but in some direct conflict, a military conflict between america and china, but taking into account the geopolitical situation

, taking into account the fact that a full-scale war has begun in ukraine, russia, the aggressor has been waging a full-scale war for a year and a half, and something like this appeared the lines between russia, russia, china and, er, north korea are drawn, and something needs to be done with this union. america naturally wants to have its allies, and biden pursues such a policy. international, that is, we naturally have a very strong state , but nevertheless we want to do everything together with our allies, and in the matter of china, it is very important for us, uh , north korea and japan, and the problem with north korea and japan that they are between themselves until recently they didn't get along very much and this is actually south korea japan south excuse me south korea yes sorry a-a made a reservation for south korea and japan

because they are among themselves lately until recently would they understand even during the second world war, who to whom more well, how did japan hurt korea they still cannot forgive , and therefore in this context it is very important that both leaders are coming to washington now so that aidon will meet with them and this demand will establish the same relationship between them so that we all understand that we have much more serious problems than can be what happened many dozen years ago, and we just how to deal with this and such an alliance between russia, china and north koreans, therefore , in this sense

, look at it for a long time, where they are playing a political chess game, this is a very important step . in general, in american jurisprudence, it happens that you summon me to court. i say, listen , i have a doctoral dissertation defense and i need a year to prepare everything there, well, let's do this , let's do it on the 24th, i'll come. that is, is this the norm? is this some kind of absurdity, i don't know, maybe this is the norm. i don't know the american language and ukrainian at all. i don't know about the american language. i'm not even a lawyer. well, i'm watching lawyers who understand this and all these events. that we found ourselves in an unprecedented situation because never before in the history of america has there been such a case that a former president is tried criminally in several more criminal cases at once with a real risk that he may go to prison and this same

person is also running for the next in the presidential elections, that is, we are in an unprecedented situation, and trump - he understands this, that is, he actually, i think , specifically announced very early, even in november , it is very early that there is going to be a candidate for the post of president in order to try to reduce it to no all these criminal cases against him, at least from the point of view of public opinion , it seems that he is being pursued because she wants to be the president again. his attorneys understand this responsibilities too, and there are many legal maneuvers that can be used to convince the court that it is necessary to move the court for some very many reasons , but they use the reason that he is being challenged. in america, there is indeed such a thing. well, the understanding of today’s prosecutors is that they don’t know. they are legal. as a rule

, i would say that it is impossible to bring any charges against the candidate two months before vyborov well, then the debate begins, well, two months after the election, that’s in an hour. and what about the fact that he is running for office within the republican party, there is also voting, and then the gray territory begins, that is, it is possible or impossible to do this, but don’t get dressed. there are cases, they need to be moved forward , preferably faster, so that it can be resolved in an hour. how are some of them, well, lawyers will naturally ask, stop it, try to find any problems, any reasons, reasons in order to delay this case in some cases, he will be able to do it, for example, this case with secret documents there is a very complicated case, because it is bitter rassvet and in order to decide in court, certain people need to be given access to secret documents, that is, there, anyway, leagues with a document there 10 on the legate, the situation that can do this will be delayed in other situations, they will tell yes that he is running for office, that he is not up

to it now, that he needs to go to his ancestor, some pre-election rants, and the number is most likely not it will pass i think it will not pass according to all questions why they are trying to delay this case in power and it can stop these two federal cases with secret documents and a coup d'état request, he can simply remove them from the case or close them completely or put the cases in new york and georgia on hold and he can't to do because this is the jurisdiction of the states and the city, the state and georgia, the city of new york, well, of course, a person who does not hesitate to use his official position , who may again find himself in the post of president. i think that even georgia in new york may have problems

to reach the supreme court, therefore, it is very important, as i think that at least some of them should be done. well, it is too long to live for a long time before the elections, so that the voters know that they are voting for or not a guilty person or an animal abuser, and they did the corresponding choice, mr. dmytro, eh, i don’t know american jurisprudence that much. i know that the constitution of the united states says about a speedy trial. it doesn’t say about a trial. it says that everyone can calculate the list and in the list of explanations of which court there is the word speedy and not just a court. and if it is fast according to the constitution, then it is necessary . well, now, when it unfolds and bring to justice for the court, it was written to protect the rights of the accused if he

was accused and he thinks that he wants to have me to obtain an acquittal, we must provide him with a speedy trial as far as possible within the framework of our legislative and constitutional system, we must present the fastest process if the accused himself says that i do not want a speedy trial , then how would he refuse to do what theoretically should было быты его уже объявление вот этого отказывать well , why does he refuse? somehow my head took me somewhere in america through america and i think this is important, but there is no sense of crisis in american politics when both candidates are 80 years old, when what you are now describing in the court case, no one

knows what to do with it, you called it there is absolutely a gray area here, i agree with you what really and if there were no precedents in america and the saxon president-president-law, then something must be done about it when the number of ambiguities is huge and there is such an impression that something needs to be prepared somehow paint over there with some paint and make some kind of update because it doesn't work, it's bad - or it doesn't work well, and it seems to me that it's not american. we see it in england with brexit, now we see it in israel with the judicial system. america well, i agree that we are in a crisis and an unprecedented situation and well, why is this happening now because there have been uh well