[000:00:00;00] studio zahidna will not be called the most important events of this week and we will try to predict what the hot autumn will bring us. our guests today are roman bezsmertny , a politician, diplomat and political scientist andriy piankovskyi, who is in washington , and now on the espresso tv channel , roman bezsmertny, a well-known ukrainian politician and diplomat, will be working. slava roman petrovych to ukraine i congratulate you glory to the heroes good day well , china's defense minister li shanfu made a big visit to the russian federation of belarus shanfu has to spend three days and it is not only about some formal protocol meetings with representatives of the lukashenka military administration, it is primarily about the so-called security defense programs, possibly bilateral belarusian-chinese, and possibly those that will work in the triangle china , belarus and russia, on the other hand, there are certain hopes that the chinese position, the position of that self-esteem was slightly adjusted as a result

, russia did not undergo strategic advancement, and china might be interested in extinguishing the level escalation, well, in particular, the process shows the position of china regarding the use of the same tactical or strategic nuclear weapons by russia, china is categorically against, well, the formal reason for the visit to moscow and minsk was the so-called 11th international security conference, which was in moscow, and shanfo spoke and everyone noticed that his speech almost repeated what he said a few months ago in singapore, they define his main enemies and main allies, and here it is necessary to understand that china is clearly oriented today to work

in the quadrangle, which is minsk, moscow, tehran beijing further understood that the invitation of the ministers of defense of russia and belarus to perform ritual events, but it is obvious and clear that all this is devoted to only one topic, that is military-technical military-political cooperation , i am focusing on the visit to belarus. china has a number of military programs, they knew about it for a long time, and china is a key operator for belarus, even the sale of belarusian technologies and developments, well, the whole world knows the so-called polonaise and polonaise complex consists of two parts, this is the belarusian mechanical part, which is produced by the minsk e-e plant of wheeled tractors and e-e missile complex. there is a chinese one there, but in the last six months, ah, well, this is typical

of belarus in general, and they want and do what they want , and they succeeded. - to modernize this complex by increasing its range . i want to remind you that a few months ago in ukraine they talked about the possibility of using this complex against ukraine, but now the main purpose of the visit in this part is the sale of this complex in an african country and iran and actually, during the meeting and at the company, we talked about bringing this complex to the export option, because in recent years china has sold it, including i from azerbaijan, including several uh, african states and so on. that is, this what is leading in the cooperation is the program to modernize the beech so-called and moreover, the belarusians

were able to almost triple the flight range by using electronic components of the whale, and what they say is the possibility of working with the beech for ballistic purposes, this is the second thing in what even females and the third point i am interested in is an increase, a significant increase in the import of wheeled tractors because china itself is very seriously increasing the volumes of anti-missile defense and air defense systems, but here we are more interested in the modernization of these complexes , their use as shock weapons, it is clear that this quadrangle which he will increase his cooperation, but i would ask everyone here to pay attention to the fact that when the press officer of the ministry of defense of china was asked about the program and plan

of the visit to moscow and minsk, he is in in the last paragraph, i had to say the following phrase that this visit has nothing to do with the regional security situation, that's why the chinese like to talk so curly. it is clear that here we are talking directly about the fact that this visit does not seem to be related to the russian-ukrainian war , there was a meeting in jeddah and we understand that during this is extremely important. someone says that the technical summit, but the issue of the parameters that the civilized world will move on and those who will be ready to talk with the civilized world in particular were decided we are talking about representatives of countries that are not part of the european community, let's call them mildly, on the other hand, we understand that the indian summit of the g20 is approaching , where ukraine was not invited, and here we see that china is somehow starting

to work more aggressively, not at some verbally strategic so-called level and on a concrete and technical point, it is necessary to understand that since the beginning of 2000, the economy of belarus has been completely dependent on china, because every year china allocates 4 billion yuan for economic calculations. and it is strange but it is most likely natural that belarus includes these resources in the reserves of the national bank. this is how they also act. china also acts as a currency guarantor for belarus . now i will return to the topic of security. and the appearance of the special representative for asian and european affairs there, and many people drew attention to the fact that

the minister of foreign affairs, who led the meeting in judea, sat on his right hand the representative of china and on his left, er, the adviser to president biden sullivan. that is, this it is a clear signal that certain consultations took place between sullivan and the special representative, including the jigs, it is clear that the phrase was defined as the chinese side , the results of the meeting of his gt about the fact that china's position helped to consolidate the international compromise, it meant absolutely nothing , but it must be understood that the appearance there of e- e representative of china - it is correctly noted that china's entry into certain consultations of any kind is primarily in the global dimension of the continental dimension of the issue

of security, and here the topic is in the first place of the russian-ukrainian war, but not only this means what we are now talking about silently, that any appearance of a representative of china , whether in belarus or in moscow, is primarily focused on issues related to the russian-ukrainian war due to russian aggression against ukraine, the build-up to date by all participants of the defense-industrial and military-industrial complexes is no longer a secret, it means that the tension will increase even if any of the participants in this process wishes to somehow talk about or propose some peace projects, peace programs and so on, because the general principle works, the more weapons there are, the more likely the development of conflicts and the spread of those to date , including the emergence of new locations of armed

confrontations, i do not say when it comes to missile systems or tactical nuclear weapons or weapons and e manipulations on the topic of information manipulations on the topic of nuclear weapons, in no way can the importance of this trip, visit and these meetings be underestimated , especially since it is not necessary to understand the ministry defense of china is not the ministry of defense of ukraine or civilized countries. it is also a military and military-political and military center . congratulations. thus, it is clear that li shanfu brought with him not only technological technical and military proposals. and let's say parameters. he brought with him, including fly position therefore, it is obvious that both in minsk and in moscow , continental global political issues were discussed, and

it is obvious that in the coming days we will see the consequences of these conversations and meetings, including on the front line of the russian-ukrainian from here it is obvious that the opinions that have now taken over beijing, including all the positions of jinping, this visit will take place and it is obvious that in this situation in this country it is trying as closely as possible to bypass the current situation to influence it and to influence it in the interests of china to influence in the interests of china the growing influence of china both on the eurasian continent and especially in the indo-pacific, where china is gaining more and more influence, and this is shown even by the results of recent joint exercises

of the naval forces of the russian federation and china, by the way, what was the focus of the first meeting in moscow and the defense minister of china was the analysis of these exercises and it is interesting that this was the first exercise, the first exercise was where , according to the legend, the offensive operations of the joint fleets of russia and the naval forces of china were developed. about me petrovich i i would like to clarify the previous disposition, the possible scenarios of the russian-ukrainian war, on the one hand, there are certain signals, in particular, from one or another about the kremlin's public gatherings or garbage, that the kremlin would be ready. yes and that they have several versions, so to speak, of getting out of the war. well, we are currently seeing a rapid increase in their industrial production rates, on the other hand , there is a scenario of a so-called long protracted war on the exhaustion of human economic potential, that is, it is a war of two

systems. so who can exhale faster , it is obvious and clear that in parallel with the way events are developing on the front line , the issue of the formation of defense-industrial military-industrial complexes is developing in exactly the same way the scenario plan is related to the negotiation process of finding a model of exit, termination, continuation, whatever you want to call the present situation, and similar consultations have been conducted and will be conducted here , so it is important. it is important who will make the decision and whether this or that object will be the subject of this process is capable of making decisions in this regard , first of all, i mean military aviation , the construction of ukraine, that is, you need to understand that you can find yourself in a situation where you will

dominate and you can make these decisions and to be ready for the negotiation process, why would you find yourself in a situation when you will be so weak that you have to get stuck in the direction of someone setting a task and defining goals , the first thing to pay attention to here is that thanks to china, india, iran, brazil and many other international players, and russia - has largely restored its export potential, this means that russia has an internal resource of capital for waging war, and the proof of this is actually what we see on the front line on the battlefield, the increase in the number of artillery attacks, the use of aviation drones, missile attacks on the country, and so on. and so on, it is necessary to understand that this happened not only because china, india, brazil and all others pay and

pay hard currency for the supply of carbohydrates, and this also happened because , including china and rank supply the corresponding components, military equipment, weapons, and so on, and from my point of view, including during the visit of the minister of defense of china, this was also discussed. i am not talking about what is in those drones that are described as having already been produced in the russian federation, ukrainian intelligence has counted up to 30 components that represent almost the entire geography of the planet earth, that is, it is clear that through third countries the supply has been established accordingly, but even under that situation, it is necessary to understand that a parallel track is developing, which is called a political track related to the negotiation process all this is of great

importance, and if you add to it the growing influence, including of china, on the ocean region, the african continent, then all of this takes it to a very serious geopolitical situation and it is obvious that here the war in ukraine is a component of this geopolitical situation, but this is what we need to pay attention to today most in the analysis. the ukrainian war as a regional local conflict, this means that it stands among others and this war is not interpreted as everyone sees it, as a war of the civilized world against evil, as a global

war, it is interpreted as a local more moreover, if we take the main trend in the field of reconciliation on which you focus attention, then the first task to be solved is an even greater localization, that is, closing it exclusively within the framework of russian-ukrainian relations. well, and the absence, so to speak, of offensive weapons of the same missile complexes, this is in 16- x the appropriate amount of armored vehicles, first of all the tanks in abrams are a certain evidence so that they would like to a certain extent not to increase but to decrease the level of escalation, but on the other hand, this does not affect the position of russia, which is building up its industrialists military capabilities, the military-industrial complex is building up, and even on a simple analysis of what i did in belarus, it is clear how the organization of military equipment even there shows the growth of appetite and access to the continental global level from this

point of view mr. antin, i have no doubt that that maintaining such a position on the part of our allies and friends will encourage the growth of aggression and the emergence of new outbreaks of war . a possible attack or, let's say, sabotage operations, and from the territory of belarus in relation to poland and the baltic states , i do not rule it out, especially since i understand that china is interested in constantly receiving arguments for aggravating the situation in taiwan, its interests are there, and it is clear that with such a geopolitical continental , with such a geopolitical continental arrangement of forces, any appearance of such fake wars, it also gives

china a trump card in order to influence in the negotiation process to the dialogue a-a in the process with washington and also pay attention to the fact that these days the negotiation processes about the so-called nuclear iranian programs have intensified, it is clear that one of the tracks of this nuclear program is the issue of the supply of drones to russia and how, what are the positions of the parties in in this plan well, we can only guess from here it is obvious that the continental geopolitical geopolitical situation it says that m.m. times, and you are here, the parallel creation of new foci of war and i have no doubt about this, because

the appearance of the wagnerites in belarus is not only the desire of lukashenka to teach his military , firstly, there is no need for so many teachers there, and secondly, there is no one to teach in this way and the second track. and this is the achievement of certain tactical successes and struggles on the negotiating platform. god forbid someone in ukraine thinks that the kremlin is pitting one against the other. all this includes negotiations and the negotiation process - this is a war, information attacks , negotiation attacks, and so on. on the front line disinformation attacks, all this is a war, and if someone today in washington and in paris, in uh, in berlin, blondes still think that negotiations uh, this is a tool for achieving

the goal for moscow water, they are making a very big mistake, this is a component of war, and the situation is building in such a way that even beijing is not able to react quickly to such behavior of moscow today , that is, in fact, we are dealing with the phenomenon of absolute evil, if especially our partners understand this, then it should be changed a long time ago relation to the situation, it is necessary to form the international corps of armed forces, the format and the international headquarters, respectively, the industrial base and think about it and build a plan to strike at moscow, which would first destroy this police force. and i have no doubt that the minsk, moscow, tehran, beijing axis today the day is active and will continue to increase its interaction, this

is the first and second, it is necessary to understand that the host in this foursome is not the same and not tehran, the host party is russia, moscow, the moscow firar , they are due to manipulations, including on the market hydrocarbons set the tone at the end of petrovych's novel, you just mentioned the prolongation of the conflict, which would be beneficial to russia, which it would dream about, if you could outline a little about yourself, here are the temporal parameters to which russia would gravitate, there is absolutely no time limit here and there is no time limit this regime can exist only thanks to the war, the führer system was built , the gangster criminal system, karate by the lake , was built in russia, it feeds on war and

look at the economic parameters of the private wagner's military company and all eight private companies that we know about today, they actually capitalize the budget of russia. they use it, they enrich it, they make money from it, if you can afford to say so. look , they have mastered the gold market, the arms market, the drug market the mineral market and this influence will increase, this means that the theme of weapons of the economy becomes one whole, as soon as it happened in the previous era and times - this clearly led to the deployment of global conflicts and so, even the seemingly distant events in niger , sudan, for ukraine are litmus tests - they are signals of how the situation is developing, and if we take such

giants as china or india, then the question is , for example, the visit of li shanfu there or the invitation or not to invite ukraine to the next a the g20 itself is a signal about how the situation is developing , where it is going, they are not changing us, mr. roman. well, it is not about a global sale, so to speak. well, but certain interests that someone can neglect and we will not even know the name of this person. the fact is that the behavior of someone will depend on the extent to which, i emphasize this once again, the military-political leadership of ukraine will be able to make a decision and, unfortunately, these decisions will already be of an exclusively volitional nature, here we will no longer be talking about the economic state of the situation on the front line that is, it will depend on such concepts as patriotism, devotion to one's homeland, and so on, that is, in fact, the situation in which

ukraine, the continent, the european world is today is extremely complex, and in order for it to to go out and find a solution in this situation, it is necessary to either unite with the civilized world or cling to the anchor which can, whose role can be played there, great britain , the united states of america, the european union , that is, those who can claim a global game for global participation in a new redistribution of the world that could carry out chief of the defense staff of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland , admiral sir anthony rada king, he came to kyiv, what he could bring, in fact, i was very pleased with this meeting and the one he held

the general command with the commander-in-chief of the armed forces with his colleagues and great britain, germany, this indicates that this cooperation reaches the level of unification of understanding of military-technological behind this, remember we said that it is only a matter of time to enter this war, the generals are already entering in this war, but god give them the sense to join the army in this war as soon as possible, because it will speed up the formation of a response, the lack of this entry will drag out the war , actually, forgive me for what i will say, but hmm a duel between ukrainians and this axis minsk moscow tehran beijing she is talking about the fact that it is unfair first of all and next to the ukrainian soldier should be the soldiers of all these forces and states that stand on the side

of the civilized world and this visit about which you said he a signal that we are actually going to this today, and ukrainian officers and ukrainian soldiers show how to resist global evil . many of our allies do not even understand that this is global evil, because they continue to think in terms of local the age of the local war of the local conflict well, it is a great pity that i have to end our conversation with another thank you dear mr. roman for this frank conversation on the air of the espresso tv channel, i want to remind our tv viewers that the event roman bessmertny, an iconic ukrainian diplomat and politician, was currently working for them on the air of the studio, thank you, thank you there are discounts on spazmalgon 15% in pharmacies

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viewers. welcome to the studio, iryna koval. and this is the summary of the week on the espresso tv channel. was during the war a defender defender andriy piontkovskyi a political scientist who is in washington glory to ukraine andrii andriyovych