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move easily for only uah 199 call ukrainians romanticize freedom this is how it happened in our tradition will freedom all this is like air something what is it for you can't touch, but without it you can't breathe, and on the one hand it 's really like the classics, because not a zloty is worth comparing all the gold against freedom, it's just a swamp, but only now when we're back they try to subjugate not metaphorically but literally when they try to seize or destroy only now has the understanding come freedom has a price and its excessive juice must be paid

for and we pay well then, we are going back to the studio and will be happy to talk with a public figure, dissident, co-founder of the association of jewish public organizations and communities yosyf gisel of ukraine is in touch with us, mr. yosypa. we welcome you. they say that there is something else there. we are

still waiting for contact to be established. the association is thank you, the association of jewish organizations and communities ojsc created a program of recovery during the war and this program has actually been operating for the second year, if i am not mistaken, the head of this program is actually yosif zisos and there is such an interim summary of this program, some of its layers i would say yes you know, some of them are particularly sensitive and we will definitely talk about that experience , in fact, and this is the program, it applies to children and women as well as to the military personnel themselves. yosif, we welcome you glory to ukraine glory to ukraine good afternoon tell us more, because there are already some intermediate stages of this wartime recovery program, maybe you can just tell us a little about the program for the audience why

is this project important well, as a leader, i ask this recovery program under the war has been going on for 16 months, we approached this idea of ​​our organization in many ukraine back in march of last year, when we were engaged in the evacuation of women, children, and elderly people from vik from the east to the west of ukraine and there we saw that women, children, whose men are already in the army at the front. and some have already died. unfortunately, they end up in western ukraine. they will be rid of the danger of being killed by shells and missiles there, but in western ukraine , many new problems arose and it was very stressful for all of us women. and children, i.e. , they were under such a constant constant stress that accumulated. they created very strong psychological traumas. and that's

when, in march, the idea came in the psychological aspect, we developed everything together with the institute of psychology, the academy of pedagogical sciences, we have partner organizations, as well as the kyiv-mohyla academy, the department of psychology, the international institute of postgraduate education, psychological internship, and the ukrainian catholic university in lviv, the department of psychology, and we . on may 1, last year, we started the first three pilot projects, we found money from the united states. i think you are not you will be surprised that the state does not help us in this program at all, but there are people in america in other countries

, many ukrainians and grays too, who have already started well, this is money and privately and through the organization of the foundation for this program, the program consists of independent projects , each project lasts three weeks, it is attended by from 20 to 70 people affected by the war, including women and children, there are military personnel , there are others, prisoners of war, released even women who were subjected to violence in the occupied territories , we work with different categories , 60 projects have already taken place. through our program, 2,000 women and children, 10 military servicemen, dozens and prisoners of war, and we work, i said three

weeks, and then who needs it, we add online counseling, that is, we work with each victim almost to complete rehabilitation, and we found different methods after consulting with different psychologists and we are now working even with psychiatrists, because even more serious cases are continuing, we are now working exclusively with serious cases , because they need more attention and help , our main goal is to reduce risks the formation of ptsr is the most important thing, and in these three weeks we achieve certain three steps, the first is the psychological stabilization of the psycho-emotional state, the second is psychological support, and the third is the education of us teaching self-help , so that people, their children, their relatives can

help themselves in times of stress, as i said or psychiatrists knew about this, because sometimes psychology tells me. but we already have 160 psychologists working in the program, they say that they cannot work with these victims because they do not come in contact, then it is possible. we invite psychiatrists or online consultations, they give advice, they give medicine, the medicine starts to work, and in parallel, psychologists can then work with these women or with the military, etc. in short , we work in a row, we have no breaks, we work in the winter and in the spring and in the fall, and we managed to carry out all 60 projects and 2,000 people passed through this program, but there is even more ahead of us in our queue, which stands for our program, more than 10,000 people, if the state does not connect, other organizations do not connect, because such a format is the only one in ukraine

, which is powerful, deep, so psychological intervention to everyone was affected ugh, i don’t know what we will do about it, because there are already many diagnoses of ptsd in ukraine , it will be a problem for us, well , in fact, the number of cases of post-traumatic syndrome and those who will need professional psychological rehabilitation will increase exponentially. i wanted to ask you, mr. yosif, about one such moment, and since you work with scientists and practical psychologists, it is no secret that we have a growing number of people who are already very tired of the war, although they are just before the war helping volunteers and what is not related in any way, that is, we are most tired of those who from time to time come across this in telegram channels and on tv, it prevents them from watching entertainment programs, etc. is this a small community locally or will it increase due to

the fact this war is for a long time, we already know it and even the government admits it, but what to do with it psychologically - you can't do anything, we are doomed to a long war, because it's not just russia fighting with ukraine, which it wants to return to the empire, during these one and a half years, the war has turned into an inter-civilizational one military the conflict is because 54 countries are helping us militarily, and russia is being helped by 10 countries and it burned down, but among them are north korea, china , iran, syria, belarus, and so on, and these two civilizations, a democratic, anti-democratic one that aggressed us is now behaving on the territory of ukraine. but exhaustion. yes, we have a lot of people who get tired and get tired , not only you, they don't get any entertainment , but those who fight get tired and exhausted too, but you can't do anything about it

. you have to work with it, and you have to update them. to provide additional resources. for this purpose, there are psychologists. they must be prepared for this war. before that, they might not have been prepared. that is why the problem was that we did not prepare for this war at all. to catch up with what we missed. we have no other way out but to win this war. therefore, everything must be put on the military rails, and everything must be done for victory, and not only in the military aspect, but psychologically, economically, and in other ways. others, iosif, i have the following question: if the state still does not undertake to systematize and establish, do you know, some kind of structure so that all these problems are solved

automatically so that all these flows of injured people can receive quality help, e.e. , without involving you, as in particular, you carry out essentially volunteer activity eh well, taking into account all this and this , how many organizations and programs like yours do not yet exist ? maybe we have enough volunteers at the limit of their capabilities, we have funds at the limit of their capabilities, money for the implementation of these there are no more opportunities even though we have a specialized ministry and a whole committee no no friends look when i say the state and i mean the government is not doing anything for this, they didn't do it and five years ago they are not doing it and now it really is doing something but it is not enough where is civil society? we now have a large and powerful civil society, and we

are replacing it with myself, because i am a member of civil society. today, the last decades in ukraine, the central force that leads us to the future is not the government, not the president, not the parliaments or the cabinet of ministers, it is civil society, which according to my calculations today already reaches 30% of the country's population, this is not enough. we need 70 70, so we have to work with that that we have no other choice . we must win with the opportunities we have gained over these 30 years. it is clear, mr. thank you , mr. yosif, for the information, the story of what you are doing. yosif tsisar, public figure , dissident, co-founder of ukraine connection with us again, here i am listening to mr. yosif and i think that these 10 km for my uncle are burning

for roads in the carpathians, or could this money still go to rehabilitation and to surrender it would still be enough for combat drones for which the state has announced including the collection. these are the priorities, yes. well, maybe not all the money that should be directed there to roads can be directed to drones, but well, it is enough kilometers specifically to bukovel, but it is the construction of some rehabilitation hub to finance some rehabilitation programs , well, that's what the local government was definitely there unpromising in any ukrainian region , some people do it , i don’t know if it is enough, but some people do it. the most important thing is to turn on the championship on megogo the invincible

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dad was my sniper for the tankers, he stood so well that not a single orc was able to sneak up on our positions , i even received an order, and mine knocked out two enemy tanks and destroyed an entire warehouse of ammunition . and my dad served in air defense and shot down missiles over kiev, finally i can tell about it ah cool, we continue to talk about what is really very important about rehabilitation, about what helps to preserve the health of our people, and in connection

with the yaropolk psyk studio, the co-founders of the physical therapist of the medical center for physical therapy and pain medicine and novo, the senior combat medic of the yaropolk, we welcome you glory to ukraine good day well, you see, we, uh, we won't start with what we talk a lot about, namely, medical first-aid kits and tourniquets, like new combat medicine as such, because there are many problems and that we talk a lot exclusively let's tell our audience what we started talking about with yosyp zisis. he talked about psychological rehabilitation. and we will ask you about physical rehabilitation . it is clear that the number of people who need such rehabilitation is increasing every day . well, the point is that since i am

a combat medic, i am directly to i have nothing to do with the government, but i clearly understand what is being done now, i clearly understand the number of people who will demand it, and i clearly understand that our system is not fully ready right now, but all the same, we are well done. we are fighting and i believe that the future will be good. but for that, it is still necessary to prepare a lot. please tell me if there is actually a medical professional connection between field medics and, er, medics at the front and with those who are on the ground

. do you know if there is a disconnection? and understanding that that the actions of the combat medic actually very often depend on what will happen in the rear or even abroad ah, i can say that there is no established cooperation as such , but it depends on the combat medic, that is, if he is interested then he will take care of this as a chain, and it is possible, but it is not systemic, but it was actually. we will have to go to some kind of system. with the problem of veterans and those in need rehabilitation in the united states of america, even the united states had to come up with some new solutions because they were not coping and this applied to many military conflicts

that are decreasing in intensity, in particular afghanistan or iraq . in each individual case, i had to connect funds, look for funds , look for opportunities for rehabilitation, and starting with physiological rehabilitation, they end up with the same ones. well, i don’t know about prostheses and all other things, well. look, my opinion is the next uh, what uh, rehabilitation in ukraine has existed since 1993, that is, for more than 20 years, yes, 30 years, uh, and still there is no standard of education in us, we have a lot of universities which have appropriate departments, but unfortunately the training is different and this is the first problem with which we

now need to give advice. it is clear that we will come to innovative solutions because we have no other you know, i won't talk about the number of guys, but believe me , they are very big and we will be forced come up with some solutions that make this whole process easier. yes, we have local projects in lviv and kyiv. yes, but they cannot solve all our problems, and this is the truth of yaropolk literally in august. last year, a year ago, on august 22, in fact, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky announced changes in the state policy regarding the veteran community and we will talk about large-scale veteran programs and, in my opinion , rehabilitation is part of the policy regarding veterans in this country, its efforts

to return them to civilian life as far as possible a year ago and according to your observations it is very good, but its implementation still needs time let's say so because i clearly see what is being done, i see that we are all trying, we are all fighting and we are all well done but nevertheless there is there are still many such things that need to be improved, well, look at us, in principle, about the importance and profile of such a ministry, we had a minister of veterans, so the entire ministry was already presented to us . many different innovative programs of some kind were said to be taken into account, and it was also for

low intensity refers to combat operations in the years when there was still ato , so now you well, who should write these programs off to us ? we cannot say that there is any country that simply has advanced experience in such and such a scale that we will need veterans program excuse me, i will add a veteran program in the veterans program of the united states, in fact, they are considered to be almost benchmarks, but i do not know whether you agree with this, indifferently, you will order that nothing like this has ever existed in the world , it has been like this for a long time, but nevertheless, i believe that state methods, state protocols are the closest to those that should be so, so i think that there is no need to invent something new or let

us use the experience of the states correctly, for example well, yes, but we see, look, we had the same situation, you have already checked, for example, the protocols, but we just recently talked about turnstiles, and the state standards are absolutely clear and according to them you just take it, buy it, check it in the same way, and here i actually already mentioned that in the usa, having a problem with veterans , they tuned it very seriously. as they say , these rehabilitation programs are perfect both in individual states and at the federal level uh, and in this case, what do you think is the problem, that in ukraine they just stupidly took this one and moved it instead of trying to reinvent their bike, or they climbed into the bureaucracy, as always, they buried good initiatives from below, i will try to answer your question very delicately i

i have been practicing autotherapy for more than 15 years, and all the protocols that we tried to introduce were not accepted by the authorities for some reason, i can’t explain it. and it seems to me that the best time was when ms. ulyana suprun was at the ministry. i think that this is our greatest loss, because she was i started to do so much good swings, then it’s just if they were impressive like that, that’s why you say well that you don’t need to invent to take the experience of america through the end of europe, lord and everything and there everything is known as if you how and what needs to be done right now

many countries join the signing of the declaration that was signed at the summit of the group of seven and this continues, i will remind you that it is a declaration that everyone who signs will be responsible to some extent for something, for which he can be responsible for a certain direction , someone will give money, someone will give weapons , someone else technology will help, it would be great if some country with tremendous experience or a group of countries took up the question of the rehabilitation of our military. because it seems to me that ukraine is not fully aware of how important this moment is and how precious it is in many uh nuances of the moment, look. yes, uh, i just want to emphasize that we actually have a lot of good specialists, we have a very strong school , uh, in lviv, in kyiv .

but there are few of them. yes, it is true, er, about the number that awaits us. also, you are right to say that it is large, i will not indicate any numbers , but it is a significant number of thousands, so that you and i would understand. khrystyna says that within the framework of even these safe guarantees of various benefits well, we could take profile ones there i think so. for example, there is the usa, israel and france. but because they have an international continent, legions and so on, they have experience, well , in my opinion, it is more difficult for them to take on what a specialized ukrainian state should do than, for example, to put pressure on the authorities in general for that she should do at least the same logic as you have already mentioned ex-minister ludmila supruna, who simplified the entire bureaucracy and all these stupid things, it is easier to press so that i don't know other anti-corruption bodies , did you stop us at the very beginning of the torpedoing