[000:00:00;00] about energy, because we are approaching, or autumn is approaching, i don't know, i don't know if we are approaching it, but it will be colder than now, at least now it is very hot in lviv, i would say oleksandr kharchenko, director of the energy research center, we have you on the air today, oleksandr thank you you found the time for us. thank you very much, and the question is simple and complex, is the ukrainian energy system ready for the autumn-winter period, otherwise, i will paraphrase , it will be easier, yes, or more difficult than last year, honest, good evening, exactly no one will give you an answer now, but on the one hand, it is 100% more difficult because the damage that was destroyed, the autotransformer

, which parts of the generation equipment there , dozens of turbines, a large number of different generation equipment, they were destroyed and to restore them in one season it was impossible, on the other hand, a lot of objectively, a lot has been done in order to bring our power system to consciousness and prepare it as much as possible for what will happen in october-november-december this year, but there are not many signals that these the attacks will resume and we understand much better how to prepare and how to react now to the attacks that we are expecting, so you know , it is impossible to predict exactly, but i, er, one person has a mind of such a phrase, er, prepare for the worst. and if it gets better, then that's good now i advise everyone to prepare for what will be bad. well, yes, i have this logic

in my life. it was like this several times when i scared myself, scared, scared, scared, then it was very bad, but it seemed to me that everything was just fine. after those scaremongering, which i organized for myself, so it is possible and yes, and the second question is important , we can build it, that is, ukraine can build such an energy system that would be extremely difficult to damage , that is, to create something. is there something in science and technology in the world that can help protect us from all the russian and other invasions that we ukrainians are experiencing now , or is there something that says oh, well, yesterday

they wrote with a pen, i used to write with a pen when i was at school pen and now they look at me and when i tell and they don't believe that for them, what is pushkin, what is shevchenko, what is the 60s of the last century , it's about the same, somewhere, the same time, there are such possibilities of humanity, don't insult andriy shevchenko, he is quite good known to the modern generation as a good football player, so ah, to be honest , you don’t need any super technologies for this, you don’t need any super scientific experiments and so on , the technologies are all known and how to secure and make the ukrainian energy system, and much more less vulnerable at least than it is now in its centralized form, the solution is completely clear and it does not require any super scientific research from us, this solution is called decentralization of generation, when

there will be relatively small capacities of 50-80, 100 mw across the country, there is a station near your small town e-e produces electricity , produces heat for your town, and when there are hundreds of such stations, there will not be enough rockets for them, after all, we still have a post-soviet energy model when huge stations huge generating capacities and huge capacities of high-voltage lines that these stations actually serve and transmit electricity to houses to production and so on and so on and in this huge structure there are several dozens, even less than dozens. on the fingers of both hands, there are such points that if hit , the power system can no longer really perform what it should perform, and high-voltage substations and certain generating

capacities, if destroyed, accordingly, cannot the power system is centralized as it should be, but if they are decentralized, if they are built there , let’s build seven small generation sanctions around the city of odesa, which is currently suffering from a lack of electricity, which, in addition, due to the fact that they are small, can be quite well hidden or well protected. so not everyone is there drones, rockets, in principle, know the way, as far as i know , they won't do much harm. this is a solution. this is a way to protect ukrainians from such attacks , specifically on energy infrastructure ukrainians from the lack of electricity, when there will be 7 such stations around odessa that are capable of supplying odessa, even one was broken or two were broken, most of the city will still receive electricity, everything is fine, mr. oleksandr and

when in order to implement it when can it be or is there a secret place somewhere where are such stations 6-7 for odesa and so on, is it easy to produce them, whose is it easy to deliver them to kyiv, to lviv, to kharkiv in the future , and so on and so on, how long is this a question of years and billions, or is it a question months and millions, well, conditionally, but let's try, since i am now tangential to the fact that the first three are 50-megawatt gas turbine installations going to ukraine. i can already imagine quite well what needs to be done to do more, so i think that to secure 25 key cities ukraine, and we have 25 places in which the population of more than 200,000 people now lives like this, in order to secure them , we need up to five years, and the first two years we can secure the seven or eight most

vulnerable cities, which are in the greatest danger for with the help of those generating capacities that are currently available and have already been produced, they can be bought in europe, they can be bought in america , there is a certain possibility that such equipment is ready to be bought, and if we intensively engage in this, if this project is intensively implemented, then within 2-3 years we can really key the most vulnerable ukrainian cities should be provided with at least backup systems , you know, if the entire system fails , heating, water supply , sewage, key infrastructure points will be covered, and within five years somewhere it is possible to make a truly national one. today we have a misfortune, everything is very , very difficult because we constantly suffer from

the lack of electricity and the fact that our communication is not very ideal, to put it mildly, and almost all of today's guests, but now i hope mr. oleksandr is already with us yes yes the last question is the last i would say about russia and how strong the power system of the russian federation is . coal by the way, europe gave up russian coal, that is, it means that everything is fine with them, but on the other hand , russian experts who i listen to and read say that gasoline prices have gone up, it is quite amazing, but gasoline prices are rising

, the question is what kind of russian energy is what is the prospect the russian energy industry, on the one hand, if there is nowhere to sell, they should live very well, and on the other hand, they say that we will not live well because there are problems with this gasoline, for example, which i mentioned what do you say, mr. oleksandr, look at p. mykola, the problem of russia's energy industry lies in russian power engineering , that is, russia is not capable of producing the necessary equipment in order to produce gasoline, including gasoline. a very large part of the energy equipment that is necessary even to at least reach the level of ukraine in terms of providing the country's residents with electricity and in russia the indicators

the penetration of these basic services, which are completely understandable to us, is much lower than in ukraine, and they had a huge program for the development of their energy industry, in which they were going to invest billions, but all of it was based on the energy engineering of europe , america, partly china, and it is impossible to replace europe and america there, even if china will try very hard to produce it, and there are many, many items that china is not yet able to produce in sufficient quality and in sufficient quantity to cover the needs of such a market as the russian market, and therefore the problem russians today, you know. there is a lot of talk about the problems with airplanes in russia, the same problems with everything else in energy , they have the same problems, there is no technology for the production of equipment, the equipment is older , sanctions are in effect and step by step the production of electricity is declining step by step the production is declining, including

processing of gas is declining, and this applies to gasoline as well, and there is a lot needed for gasoline production. therefore, this is a completely natural process, the russian energy industry in conditions of isolation will naturally i wanted to ask you something more, but i can see the clock , unlike you . it's right here in front of my eyes . it's my job to measure the timing. thank you. that he was with us, there is definitely something more to talk about, and about russia , about the black sea basin, where there may also be oil under the water somewhere , or in ukraine oil may also be gas somewhere, it’s all very interesting. but unfortunately, we can’t

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several times er- $100, 100 rubles for one dollar and the same experts say that now it will haunt russia for many months if not years and there are practically no chances to restore the financial situation to a stable state. how much do you say? well, ukrainians want it, we all want in order to they all fizzled out there, and we think to ourselves that tomorrow it will be 200 the day after tomorrow, 300 per dollar, and six months later, the economy just fizzles out, and we know with you, at least i know for sure that you know that the economy cannot fizzle out, even in north korea and venezuela, the economy has not fizzled out and in turkmenistan also well look at the reality now 9385 well you are absolutely right this uh actually will move around 100 rubles for

one us dollar this is not good for the russian economy for the reason that first of all they are extremely dependent on imports are a lot of things, and for er, let's say public consumption and for er, own use in military needs is imported, and as a result, the more expensive the dollar is , the more expensive the goods that will enter the russian federation will be. i don't take into account this shadow import, legal import, you just have to understand that, dear horse , the import will be objectively more expensive than the import that comes in legally, because they always provide the shadow, who are sure to screw something up for themselves

, so definitely the cheaper the ruble, the the worse it is for the russian economy, the worse it is for the russian citizen who receives his salary in rubles, the higher the inflation, the worse the economic indicators, and certainly the budget that the russians talk about all the time, that it supposedly copes with. but all the same, we see an extremely large deficit there worse than the budget, what is the reason why the dollar actually jumped so much, look at the main sources of foreign exchange in the russian federation, it is the exporter of energy carriers, if we look closely, 80% for 15, which actually always ensured the flow of currency to the russian federation, e-e goes to two countries, india and china, and those countries calculate prices in freely convertible currency, calculating their national currencies, in the group there is hi in

yuan. volumes and other goods. by the way, grain and wheat are now to be sent to india . the russians have signed a large contract with the indians. payments will also be made in national units there . and the ionic rupee can be used in your trade transactions not only with these countries, with other countries where the shadow imports are coming from, you definitely won't be able to settle, and an even bigger problem is that even with the entities of the jurisdiction that actually imitates this currency for example, with chinese companies, in order to pay in yuan, you need to obtain an individual license from the central bank of china, because china is undoubtedly already interested in selling its goods for a freely convertible currency, and not for its own

yuan, which they printed a little earlier, there were also problems here, and actually this ionization of russian exports led to a sharp reduction in the supply of freely convertible currency on the russian domestic currency market, and you and i know very well the general principle of any market economy of any market the higher the demand or the higher the demand, the less the offer, the objectively you will be for a unit of what you lack, pay more of the national currency unit. that's how it actually happens. when did you say that we need to get the permission of the central bank of china in order for iran to trade for yuan back and forth from the other side, and now iranian oil is replacing iranian gasoline with russian oil and gasoline from china, well , literally the

other day they started talking about it means that china is not like that not so passionate hugs beijing moscow beijing we will win this is how the song was like the 50s this is all a little bit yes interruption exaggerated this passionate passionate passionate love of moscow and beijing if you remember that i will just remind you there again one couplet was in steel, i will not remove it forever yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes the chinese economy began to stagnate. and actually this, to some extent, leads to the fact that, today, part of the russian

volumes that were supplied to china are replaced by those volumes that are objectively cheaper. of his interests i will give you a very interesting example. do you remember september last year? 1,000 m³ of gas in europe cost 2,500 hryvnias. do you remember that ? it was the same time. $ for 1000 cubic meters. what did the chinese do? they took this gas for $170. it was liquefied and sent to europe, where it was sold for €2,200 per 1,000 m³, such a very interesting way of subsidizing the chinese economy at the expense of the russian budget

. the actual consequence of these things was that this in 2018, gazprom will definitely not be able to pay dividends, and for the first time they are forced to sharply increase the price of gas on the domestic market, this is in a country that produces huge options, because physically they did not play today. gazprom cannot make ends meet , so we have such a real situation which well, that's why, i repeat once again, china works with the russian federation exclusively within its own interests, and one more small nuance , well, in china now, well, in reality, there is a big settlement for russian exports in the form of yuan and you know how today actually, russia is buying what exactly russia is buying for yuan . china recently received information about the article of the great contract . the russians will now buy used chinese cars from china for yuan. the term of use is at most five years, and in this way, there is already an agreement. this

is china's mouthpiece for its own operation, that 's why used chinese cars have finally found a disposal site. this is the russian market , so please, i'm asking for one more interesting example of good cooperation between china and russia federations e p it will be possible to feel the population when it will be, as it were, to say this publicly this moment is very important public because now don't ask how many russians, tell them we live beautifully in an ideal we are even being reinforced on the western side in favor of sanctions, we have multiplied our production by 10 times 10 times, everything is fine with us but it can't be like that, you know. i remember the soviet union very well, everyone grumbled, everyone grumbled, everyone understood that something was wrong in that

principality, so will there be such a noticeable , noticeable, noticeable deterioration of the situation in in the russian federation, when people will talk to each other in the kitchen, listen, well, we won't survive like this, well, look, first of all, you need to understand that the standard of living in the russian federation is in completely different regions, if you and i take st. petersburg as a brain, it is one level when we are taking with you the subjects of the federation there somewhere well, i don't know udmurtiye there, i don't know there, there are some uh-e sahaye khutiya there, where the largest amount of diamonds in the world are mined , the standard of living there is somewhat different, therefore it is very difficult to speak for all russians because they live it is different, and the consumer basket for theirs is quite

different. well, accordingly, the level of interests is different . by the way, you know that only now the russians are going to raise the price of alcohol, and in the 22nd year this is the only product that prices lost, i.e. cheaper, officially, in the 22nd year, the russian federation reduced the price of e -e in e-heavy strong alcohol, well, as one of e-e , let's say antidepressants for, first of all , the russian hinterland, so when we talk about this situation with you, what developed e-e in the economy and first of all in e let's say personal consumption, because you actually asked the question. when will the russians start raising this issue, at least in the kitchens, look, there is, well, some kind of competition between the refrigerator and the tv, as long as the tv will win, the russians will, well , sit with those noodles hanging in their ears and silently accept what they are told by solovyov or some skabeeva, yes

, in fact, over the past year, the real incomes of russians have decreased. the first swallow has been for a very long time. imports from the point of view of the situation, like me, from the point of view of the fall of the russian ruble, the level of inflation will also be high enough to exceed their incomes, although officially the state committee - officially, rastate says that inflation in them is in the order of seven to eight percent, even according to the calculations of russian economists, it is somewhere in the order 14:15 with the fact that nominal incomes of russians increased by 9%. therefore, from the point of view of the whole, real incomes will fall this year, the more they will fall , the worse russians will live, at least in the distant federation. all the more they will er well, let's say that they remove the noodles from those ears and on

which it is currently hanging, the last question, we can imagine such a crisis at least for the next year , i will say so, what was it in 1998, when it was developing right in front of our eyes just a little less a little more -15% like that babah and the people all felt everything guys next well next everything this is a disaster no look i think it won't work because first of all, as of today, the russian authorities have suspended practically all national projects that actually related to the construction of new schools and new hospitals, that is, they are already experiencing a real shortage of funds in the budget, but they are not cutting social benefits, they are cutting social programs , in particular, they are cutting national projects , so-called, in reality, they have increased

spending on a third of war, and it is definitely necessary to understand that those in that deficit budget, which are uh, first of all, suffer from that national projects in russia formally next year elections excuse me 19:00 iryna koval will be fired from her job if i don't give her a straight word because she earns money, you know , she has children and they are written at 19:00 news iryna koval news mr. mykola thank you very much news here we are with you for the calling of our hearts and souls and not for sake of money literally in a moment i will tell you about the most important events at this time in ukraine 19:00 news time on the espresso tv channel in the studio of iryna kovaliy just now before the most important events in

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