[000:00:00;00] there will be a victory if the victory happens in a month tomorrow the counteroffensive will be successful and in 10 years we will get revenge greetings to you on the espresso channel today we also have a military program, we will talk about military hi-tech, that is, about new technologies that we need on the battlefield and here not so much about directions or solutions as about creating real conditions for ideas to quickly turn into practical results . at the same time, by the way, there is an opinion that now ukraine has a unique chance to be not only a training ground for these new military technologies of its own

foreign from our partners here and drones of intelligence rap artificial intelligence but also to become a country with a new economy precisely on a military basis because the army and the defense industry are the basis of our existence and development for a long strategic perspective so about new defense prospects from military start-ups to alliances between ukrainian and foreign defense and industrial companies, we will talk about this in our program with ukrainian experts who have powerful expertise and experience in evaluating this new of reality, i'm here serhiy zhorits i am the director of the information consulting company defekt express, which, together with espresso channels, strives to highlight the most relevant trends in the field of security and defense, and now we are joined by denisa longopolyi, a member of the supervisory board of the ukrainian startup fund, the head of the unicorn nest company - mr. denisov, i am glad to welcome you see hear on the air of the espresso channel

election day i am also glad to see you cool background and i think it was also provided by ukrainian technologies from the point in terms of the use of strike drones, you now have considerable experience in communicating with our startups of various orientations, now among them there are companies offering solutions in the field of security and defense. and i wanted to hear from the evaluation of these areas, but first to you commented on this thesis, which i said earlier, is it really possible to say that ukraine should bet on the development of the economy on a military basis and listen to programs for financing projects prepare people and so on. what are your evaluations of this thesis? well, my evaluations of this thesis. so, yes, we

need it and we can do it, but i would probably be a little pessimistic because if we look , for example, at israel and at other countries in which , uh, defense military technology has developed. so you can see that it is not a year , not two, not even five. if we are going to play this, it is a very long road. well, i would plan for at least 10 years. well, then it means that the first step in in any case, it should be done already today, uh, they performed literally a week ago, it seems it-form on the forum where you had two interesting speeches, one related, if i am not mistaken, to investments in the ukrainian tag sector and defense startups, and the other speech related to how you assess the potential

of ukrainian companies that offer samples that should fly, so i would like you they summed it up in one of their uh-uh summarizing speech about how you currently assess this potential of the ukrainian uh-uh military startup that is cool in the current activity of our young companies a-ah well, first of all, i want to note that it turned out that way yes what i have uh, now, uh, the experience of communication with such companies, and it came out of three directions . the first is that i have an education in the faculty of space systems of the kyiv polytechnic university, and i understand flying. second, i have many friends who are uh. on which front, which in intelligence, which should be helped by drones, and we are trying to do this. and thirdly

, i have been in startups for the last 18-19 years in other capital industries , and i understand how and who finances startups in general, that is, i have met more than i have the numbers for 200 startups somewhere i won’t bring them up now, but there were more than two hundred of them, but less than a hundred, and not startups, but groups of people, including companies that make something that flies. well, i can tell you about my experience only based on these meetings. i don’t i know what is being done in other industries, first of all, secondly, i have a very powerful network of investors, and some of them , it turned out, financed and are financing , including military technologies, and in the same silicon valley there is a separate, separate direction

from difenstek, and there are large productions there resion and other global companies that produce something that is capable of killing on the battlefield a-a and combining this experience with yes and it turned out that i have a network among companies that cooperate with nato or with people who consult or are in the middle of nato, and i talked with everyone and i have a few ideas about what is happening and where it can be developed, first of all, when we talk about investments, it is not, well, we are talking about money in exchange for a share in the company, and this is usually done by a carrier fund or angels and they understand that they need to get this money back, preferably with a multiplier, that is, they invest, invest in business, and they are very

far from helping ukraine as a country that is at war there, and, firstly , secondly, there are people who donate something on rent , it should be noted that in we have donations when donors buy something and transfer it to the front. and this is a separate, separate series and this is the only thing that is very well developed in us, and this is probably partly our trap, but there are now donors who invest in development, and this is how much i spent about a year i met almost every day i did not travel around ukraine and europe, i meet with the company . we drive more than 170,000 km and the main problem we have is that when people invest in business, they

expect that the company they invest in will play by the rules by the rules of this business. and this is first of all. hmm, it is necessary to have someone in the team have experience of participating in international tenders. because when we talk about the sale of arms, for example, to the middle east, to asia or well, we are not talking about europe, america, but such for us are more e- it is understandable that markets do not have their own powerful ones there are quite a lot of powerful players where the ukrainians can sneak in. first, if the team does not understand how to get there, then it will not receive money, and secondly, we have such a concept that not all our companies understand , as a military standard, it is a separate standard according to which they are produced and all the military and technological products

used in the military are being developed, and this is a very important thing, because it is several volumes, including how to solder, how to close, what is needed inside, and it is very expensive to take into account take into account when developing, and most of our companies that do something, they are focused on molding with, as the americans say, there are bricks made of feces and sticks, something that can literally kill muscovites today. so when they decide what to make products that can be sold in asia and to spend a couple of years on it there and a million of money there or to do something that will fly and kill already tomorrow, they choose this direction so that it is possible to quickly put it on the front and such

companies are almost not interested in international an investor, but they can count on donor contributions, our diaspora is very active here, and they can count on the fact that volunteers and donors will buy from them. they have something that can also be supplied to the front and this is a separate direction, which is good that in the technology business, 99.7 stands and when we had few such companies before the full-scale invasion, the probability of success was very small. now we have hundreds of such companies, and maybe even thousands, and the probability that something from them will shoot and be created a competitive product for global markets uh very high very high so we literally have 4 minutes, i would like you to study these four minutes, tell us about certain directions and projects with contacts with our

teams, what impressed you personally, but it was just a feeling such a powerful basis for the creation of such combat startups and the creation of concrete connections on the battlefield. well, first of all, before the invasion, we had a large number of startups that did something on military topics before that. is in a great hurry and if we look at what is flying and killing now and what is very similar to world-class products, this is a company that has many years of experience there 2 3 4 even 10 years and i found several dozen of such companies and it surprised me very much and this gives hope that they will be able to do something, companies that only did something with the beginning of a full-scale invasion, they only started to do something, they are only at the very beginning of this path, and they will need a few more years

, first to catch up with what is already there, and then to develop something what would be better than yes but the number of people is the number of technologies that are involved and the exchange of france and communication with the military and the instant test of what it has produced gives us a very high chance that in the course of 2-3-four five or more years we will have powerful products with which it will be possible to do something in the global markets sir thank you very much for these optimistic forecasts it is a pity that there is a lack of time due to hostile actions with enemy aircraft i hope that we will continue this conversation there in a week after two because you are engaged in an extremely interesting area which well, people need to understand where they can invest money and where we have prospects, so thank you for your inclusion for your experience, and i would like to remind our viewers that denis longopolyi, a member of the supervisory board of the ukrainian startup fund, was in etherius press. the head of

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. just a few minutes ago , you had a long conversation with denys longopol, who is, you know, a member of the supervisory board of the ukrainian startup fund. he said that there really is a significant potential in the creation of new types of weapons, based on the ideas offered by young companies, but it will be in a year 2.3 or more promising direction - this is precisely the cooperation of ukrainian defense companies abroad with companies that already have well-developed products that are really needed on the battlefield and literally . yesterday, the initiative of the president of ukraine sounded, to which he said that the first forum of defense industries will be held , which is designed to gather representatives there will be ukrainian and foreign companies, it will take place

in the fall and he said that it should give such a new security impulse for the world. companies to cooperate with ukraine, because your company, as you understand, cooperates with many foreign companies in detail , studies and creates the prerequisites for such a well , correct communication between foreign business and our business is also a question that attracts foreign companies to develop cooperation with ukrainian defense industrial sectors today to say that they are very strongly attracted to something, it would be a bit of an exaggeration. but they are definitely looking in our direction and they are looking for opportunities for this it will be very banal, but the development of one’s business means that ukraine has become

an importer of weapons and, in the conditions of war, it is forced to purchase weapons abroad in order to quickly close some lost positions or opportunities for the development of its own pc have not been created , and therefore let's say foreign companies see an opportunity to quickly come here as sellers, at the same time there are more strategically oriented corporations that are playing the long game and are trying or looking for opportunities to cooperate with the ukrainian defense industrial complex in order to create joint of joint production enterprises. they are looking for opportunities to expand their own production somewhere. they are looking for opportunities for joint production with ukraine

, again, because ukraine is already an importer of weapons, it will potentially buy even more of them , in principle, it will already be forced to move er in a good sense are forced to switch to nato standards and buy and produce new weapons for themselves that are no longer soviet-style or post-soviet-style, and the corporations understand that this will happen in one way or another, everyone believes in our victory and who will come first, whose platform will be the first to take root here, and it will certainly develop and have market prospects, when i say platform it can be a main battle tank, it can be an armored personnel carrier, it can be military aircraft, fighters, something is clear

ukraine will probably be able to save from its own production well, i have hopes there, let's say let's dream about a military transport aviation that we will be able to save and then foreign partners may be involved or will join in some kind of cooperation to produce these planes in the future it is possible to find together third countries and third markets for the sale of these products. when ukraine will be able to leave the position of not only an importer, but also regain its position as an exporter of weapons . but i am sure that this will already happen somewhere in cooperation with our by foreign colleagues, because a competitive product on the modern

arms market, ukraine will be able to produce in sufficient quantity, this is also a question of scaling in sufficient quantity precisely with international partners. as you rightly said, technologically, we also need a little to catch up well, it is not a little significant to catch up with the global defense industry, and here without illusions, in order to quickly go this way , we must also enter into joint projects with foreign colleagues. about the company bykar about the company rain metal about and other offers, is there such a well, a normal working basis to really quickly start creating joint products because if you said

that there is nothing particularly attractive in for ukraine, it means that we have to create conditions that are attractive, that we have to earn in order for the progress to be greater and faster and noticeable immediately, if it is serious, then, in principle, we have a certain technological base. of course, there is a problem with their outflow , especially with the war. unfortunately, the creation of educational programs based on ukrainian universities is also one of the ways to attract international partners, we are talking with some of them about the creation of such

programs together . such as titanium, aluminum, and lithium, which are available in ukraine and which also require some development in terms of their processing, because it is not interesting to deal only with raw materials and sell raw materials to the same partners of ours . on our own, this is already a question. the second is to develop the processing of these resources, which are those resources that are used in the defense and industrial defense industry

, and considering the fact that none of our partners wants to do business with russia, which was one of such exporters of these products, then we have in principle, to win some positions, some er, some positions for myself in this, in this area , especially if, in my opinion, it will be developed with er together with foreign partners, because i think you know what , for example, because titanium has a large share i used to go to russia, and the russians were already selling the processed product to the united states , for example, today the situation is changing, and i think we can also use this to our advantage, and this

generally applies to the optimization of the supply chains of our partners, who are also reorienting some flows of resources and processed products of components to their defense and industrial enterprises from countries with which they previously cooperated in principle, and today it is ukraine. if it develops quickly, some such positions will be able to that is, in fact, you mentioned titan as one of the directions of such a combination of the interests of the american and european and ukrainian defense industries, and then in this context, you are now with the half-head of the working group on security and respace industry of the american-ukrainian business council and then, in this context, i wanted to hear

what other directions between the ukrainian and the american side are promising, which can really be such a booster and accelerator of changes in the ukrainian arc space industry, what is possible here to say, well, in the aerospace industry, we are all waiting for the final, how do you emphasize, final decisions regarding the supply of certain fighter jets to ukraine. yes, we are all waiting for the fact that at least there will be a final decision and, er , specific deliveries of f16 fighter jets to ukraine . and this is quite such a difficult process, although in fact it is fighter of the fourth generation plus plus and this we hope that it will come to us in the 4++ configuration if without detailing

there what blocks and so on because it can be used , it can be downgraded to the fourth generation and it will be completely different the car will be the same on the outside. therefore, we hope that they will come to us at least in more modern configurations, and what is important is that the infrastructure must be improved by the plane together with the plane, accordingly, these are airfields, and it will go in 16, this is a certain specificity - these are airfields and not only the runway is a radar system, it's metrological means and equipment, it's a foreign service, and in today's conditions, as we all agree, we all understand

that any airfield is a potential target for the russians and such airfields must be protected air defense that is, there should be additional air defense systems. that is, it deploys additional needs in addition to the machine itself, and it also includes people who know how to service these aircraft. this is a certain weaponry , which is the main meaning of providing these aircraft. about modern missile weapons that can eat the enemy like air, air is like air, land at a long distance, that's why it's a whole complex of things that will allow, let's say, to attract people and companies inside ukraine for