and four percent is extremely small. well, until february 24, it was 17% in general. it was a complete failure, but during a large-scale war, when the parliament supports the projects, well, i apologize. well, you are competitors and enemies , what happened, that is, the government does not work. a lot of oleksii. i'm sorry, i have to run away from you to the balkans. i'm sorry. i have the balkans in touch now. the head of ukraine's voters' committee, a political scientist , had very apt points in his answers, and i think it was interesting for everyone who is interested in politics to think with mr. oleksiy about the elections and on the position of the cabinet of ministers and on the position of the bank maria galatii expert balconist candidate of political sciences will be in touch with us now good health mr. maria let's talk about how strange it is about

serbia eh thank you for talking about health thank you for the people our time i have such and such a question, it is very simple and it can be difficult, listen to such an impression and sometimes there are such western dances around belgrade, europeans say , well, come to us, well, we are so good , so these americans from the civilized world say there they dance, they dance, and in serbia is sitting yes, yes, yes, i am like that, i am the bride like that, but russia is coming, and serbia is already there , and it is already looking at moscow with two eyes, and that with four eyes, and that with six eyes. maybe europeans should just forget about serbia and somehow serbia well, everyone is silent, it can be seen that the presence of european north american partners is a strengthening, and the presence of moscow as a partner is

a weakening in all dimensions in the diplomatic , economic, financial, and now also in the gas and oil industry, that is, what are the serbs thinking? well, then let them live without russian naftiz, because it is not known how they will supply it all without the support of europe . well, if he likes it so much, there are no questions. north korea has also been living for many years, and well, we will not say that it is good, but somehow mr. mrs. maria lives. well, i think the problem here is a little different, that serbia it is very much in the center of europe. it is as if well, everything that arises in serbia actually arises in the heart of europe and anything there that will be on the rafters goes to serbia, which will be under the influence of russia, it will always be a destabilizing factor, that is, the defense is now trying to win this war for

serbia was once fought by the west for yugoslavia, today it is fighting for serbia and sepia is using this moment, they are also trying to become members of the eu, it is trying to become a member and therefore , on the one hand, they do not lose their ally russia , but it is also so interesting if you look at them that they use russia situationally. that is, where we are talking about, for example, recognition in the territories occupied by ukraine and russia, the crimea there and those areas that are occupied, then serbia does not recognize them because it is in their interest, because this is an example. and if it comes to sanctions, for example, then serbia has not yet introduced sanctions against russia, because russia is a partner, and it is not known what will happen with serbia and the european union, whether this epic will end. it is not at all clear how the war in ukraine will end in their opinion, that is why they keep the partnership here, that is, they yes, they are sitting on two chairs and trying to grow out of this situation that they have today mrs. maria

, i know one state that also strongly believed in vectorism, it ended in a big war between russia and ukraine, and it seems to me that this is not a very far-sighted policy if to sit in these two villages, but what are the trends ms. valery, look at serbia, if you look at the sociology there conventionally 15 years ago 10 years ago five years ago and now the number of people who support moscow is falling or is something changing in these vectors western and eastern actually because a very long history with membership and with relations with the european union and membership in the eu, on the contrary, support for the eu is falling, that is, on the contrary, very high support for russia among the population, and it seems to me that even the leadership, i participated, say that

he is forced to actually adhere to this so much vectorialism or even say to maintain relations with russia because this is what the population wants, when a teacher, for example , has an idea for some negotiations regarding kosovo or others. and those that are not accepted by the population, then he immediately has protests organized by the opposition that is, it threatens his government and, in my opinion , buchach really wants membership. he certainly wants to go down in history after receiving membership in the european union, but at the moment, again , this process still requires some time plus they have a difficult situation with kosovo and accordingly he continues to play this kind of game, that is, from my side, it is supposed to be an intervention, and on the other hand, he supports russia, and again, he supports russia only in those matters where he needs it and where it is beneficial for them for myself and do not support the position of russia, he does not support see one more question and i was not all well, i

was once on a flight there, i had a change of flight , it was not such a plane at all, but i was in croatia and saw a fairly decent standard of living, i saw , well, enough of that well i wouldn't even say that europe is so poor, it's so average, it's still not, i'm not talking about slovenia, where it's just, well, it's a serious european state, small, ok, it can do a lot, but take the standard of living, it's absolutely, well, half-measured with the austrian one of old europe, and in serbia, like well, the serbs look with envy. that is, it is only a political moment that we love russia, or is it also an economic moment, because we do not live worse than croatia or slovenia. we live well because of that. why do we need this european union as a standard of living ?

much more than it was, for example, during the time of yugoslavia, croatia and slovenia - these were the two most developed, richest republics of yugoslavia and they remained so, that is, they are economically very strong, and now the standard of living in croatia in slovenia is better than in serbia after the war. i mean especially the recent wars especially the war with kosovo, serbia has lost a lot economically, and so the services of my side depend economically on russia, but they love the church and russia very much , emotionally, for them, russia is a friend and partner it happened historically, many russians lived on the territory of yugoslavia even before, let's say, yugoslavia disintegrated, that is, after the second world war, they emigrated to serbia, and it is clear why the similar language, religion, and the slavic soul itself , that is, all these things they well, of course, integration in society is also facilitated, and therefore it was

the first such factor, the second factor was that russia supported serbia during the balkan wars, that is, they did not even support it at the beginning , but they supported it when serbia was bombed er, actually by nato forces during the war in kosovo, that's how the whole story is, she somehow very well remained a leader together, we must also remember that this large number of russians in the balkans plus certain interests that politicians have with the russians and even if we look at the balkan countries such as croatia, on the one hand, croatia is very pro- against russia, that is, they do not like the church and do not like russia, but on the other hand, if we look at some politicians, in particular the president, they are pro-russian, and i suspect that when there was trade, motor sich traded with by the russians, and there were options to trade through croatia or montenegro, i suspect that the president's entourage, that is

, it is somewhere . er, the balkans love russia with their soul and because of the fact that the russians influence both culturally and there is, of course , a russian cultural center on the territory of the balkans, in particular, the serbs have a wagner office on the territory of serbia, and also because of the fact that there are political connections, i.e. business political ties that have always existed and they continue to exist and this actually keeps the country, if in such a temporary relationship with russia, another question for serbia's entourage is that serbia is still an enemy , relatively speaking, a person who will come to zagreb from belgrade as it will be looked at either in slovenia for serbia and i am not asking about

montenegro. this is my next question. i think there are no problems there, but for example those states with which serbs and croats now fought and killed each other for a short time even in zlovenia and the serbs, but there really was a three-day war there, i don't remember three days, something like what, what is serbia in the balkans, it is as if separate, it goes on a separate path, so to speak, and everyone understands that it is so aggressive, it has many people she killed, she loves moscow, and we love moscow. well, we are neutral or we don't like it. how to hide and so on and so on. this is the role of serbia, why , and i will answer with an example. when they talk about trans-national organized crime in the balkans, it usually includes representatives of all nations are the same if we look at how

the balkans vote, for example, at eurovision, they usually vote for their neighbors. and there is an even better example, there is such a singer in the balkans, tsetsa svitlana rokhnatovych, she is the wife of arkan arkan - this is a war criminal who was he was killed, he fought the eighth, and in general, everyone thought of her because of the fact that he was reliably found, they saw the jewelry that he stole, in fact, he is like a looter who during the war, as it often happens, armies do, and he it brought her as the trophy is so-so and it was beautiful on it, and then the person who was the owner of it perfectly recognized this ornament, but they love this one in their balkans. that is, all the countries that even suffered from the war from themselves, they still love me that is, this is the story, that is, of course, in kosovo , when i saw when the server met with the kosovo afghans, they

were very aggressive towards each other, but for example, when you see the croatian serbs who come to rest at the sea, they are absolutely normal relations. perhaps there may be some discussions somewhere on their level of communication. but that is another issue, that is, in general. they come freely to all countries and are accepted absolutely normally. well, at least i have not seen any such aggression from the outside that would be towards these people yet you say one question, and i saw it, montenegrins also saw it. well, there are definitely more in montenegro. and then the question arises: some people say that there are fewer russians, that russians cannot afford to buy real estate in montenegro, and some say that they they are fleeing politically. in short, there are fewer of them, to what extent is this true? are there really fewer russians coming to the balkans? russia

is not getting smaller anywhere. they are getting bigger everywhere. they are leaving the countries, of course, choosing countries where they can afford to stay. slovenia is expensive enough for the country, montenegro is cheap enough well, compared to er, the same applies to er, again, as i said, in the first wave of migration, it was in the balkans, it is convenient. the language is close enough , you can quickly learn or understand k religion the same uh, again, with the exception of certain regions where there are muslim regions in the balkans, everything else is a lot of orthodoxy, so that is, it is quite similar, quite comfortable for russians, that's why they go there and it has become more everywhere now and there will be more of them to surrender even more because life in russia is becoming uncomfortable, the sanctions have their effect not on the war in ukraine, not on the war, but actually on the fact that these people who are more or less conscious, they

are leaving their families. of course, there is another group of people who continue to admire led whether russia is a separate story altogether a separate discussion, however, and the russians who even well, it seems to us that they should be good russians and they will still glorify russia and i will say what kind of good russia is, what a great country it is, well, i don’t know, no need, you can proportion how many so-called good russians the balkans and how many so-called bad russians can we talk about it or is it so conditional, only this is very much , we cannot measure who is a good russian or a bad russian, for example, we see a person who is good, it seems to us that she condemns us with this person, let's start talking more deeply

, we will see that this person is a kind of russian chauvinist, and there are many of them , for example. of the entire opposition that is there in russia, and more or less it is one karpov and all the rest. that is to say, they are still what he is cities that uh well, just those who are fleeing from russian politics and there are those who are fleeing from the fact that there poverty occurs in russia, but we will talk about that ms. maria next time, maria geletiy - a balkanist expert candidate of political sciences told us about what the balkans and, above all, serbia and we are imagining now, as far as i can see, we have 15 minutes left to talk about what was happening in ukraine in 1991, just on these days, i will remind you that on august 19-20-21, 1991

, the state cabinet was formed in russia due to the usual situation . it scared the whole world, it scared many ukrainians, but it did not scare volodymyr filenko ukrainian politician, people's deputy of ukraine, the first, third, fourth and sixth convocations, the field commander of the orange maidan, the fourth year, an activist in 1990 and 1991, and in general, a person whom i have known since the 1990s and always on you, and now i will be forced to say on you that well, this is television you have to look, the ato will say that he paid me or i paid him, and this is such a scumbag, we have politics, and that's why they are on you , in short, so that there are no all these speculations, i am simply presenting to you a politician, a ukrainian politician. i would say a prominent ukrainian

politics of volodymyr filenko thank you for coming well, it's difficult for me to talk about you well, let's look at you, that's all my question is you these days, and even i would say on the day that is approaching, you have been criticized all my life because ukrainian independence is the first of december 91 -th year and not on august 24 of the same 91st year, not when 361 people from ukrainians voted. and when 92% of all ukrainians voted for it, but god is already with him. but you imagined such a history of ukraine, let's start with the fact that there will be a war with russia

that there will be aggravations, that it will turn out that ukraine is not russia. by the way, as kuchma wrote in the sense that revolution after revolution, and in russia there are no revolutions, and everyone is satisfied with the president and appreciates him in one place. vision today on this day it is difficult to say that we didn't believe then, but no one will believe that we didn't believe, somehow it didn't want to think like that, we didn't want to hand it over, we told all the cities and convinced ourselves that we got bloodless independence to a certain measures we were even proud of that, but as history shows that independence was rarely given without blood, key states that

were not empires well, just like historical states , for example, brazil and many others , won in the war, that is, it was a delayed war . now it is clear that it separates and then they still talked there right after the declaration of independence, or he won’t allow us to have territorial claims and we know what it is, ask about it, it’s better to start sending, he’ll come to russia - she says the girl is talking to hers there. remove and then we will deal with him and so on and so on and so on. it has already gone so that we know the crimea donbas look. but i will honestly say you sat down below and voted for independence and i sat where the journalists sit and

sat next to by the way the future the minister, uh, the minister of information, when in zenova, and literally in the seconds when the scoreboard lit up, i said exactly the phrase that i just said here, that it won't work out for us, it doesn't happen, uh, 300 years of enslavement, 300 years of enslavement, 30 years of struggle, and then one day and we and we depend on everything it's great, it doesn't happen that way, that is, there will be a war, i didn't convince myself, i knew this , i said it, but i didn't believe it, because, well, then there was a different situation. gorbachev was defeated in the cold war, democracy is everywhere, it's a beautiful life, but my head told me.

your entourage in the kyiv hotel, where most of the people lived in the evening for a beer, in general, so honestly, putting your hand on your heart, you can say what they said, listen, oh, we are not going to have easy times, because yes. in but you are like a pressure to examine which part is more common, but we didn’t want this cancer dependence, then somehow it is possible, maybe we weren’t fully ready for the fact that we live so quickly for you, although, frankly speaking, the culprit is... and then the events that interrupted the declaration of independence was the verkhovna rada on the first day of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. somehow, when the baltics left , the russians were still accepted there less and less

. but when in ukraine, our verkhovna rada actually opposed the signing of the union treaty and it was planned for august the so-called new lviv process, if anyone remembers, after that , when in moskvich, the understanding ukraine will not sign a new treaty about the soviet union wrapped in a shell, they built the kryuchkov diamayev there, and there was a gel of the state of emergency that failed and already after that we really got the opportunity to finish the work as we started, starting with the declaration, the legal family of independence against went through a refusal to sign an absolute contract and,

in fact, somewhere we adopted the act of proclamation independence and what do i want you boats to support and put the final stop to the first group on december 1 the nail was hammered into the coffin of the soviet empire of the ii soviet union, but unfortunately not the russian empire, and here is our task, before killing, they whisper to defeat this russian empire, win the war, do everything that the entire russian empire collapses in the same way, and this is first and foremost a matter for the ukrainian nation. see another question. i do n't know. and in the conversations about independence, somehow it matured very gradually

on that day and passed on the first one, interrupted on the 12th and so on and so on, it kind of spread, then i remember i went to the basement to the cinema hall where the communists were already gathering them there they convinced each other that it was necessary to vote, because now the communist parties will be disbanded in general, we were left without anything, well, if you hinted how much there in the hall, you felt that it was already a pregnancy, already before the birth , it was happening right in the morning, or was it ripening on that date also for you, gradually, no, no, for me, you are a star, in fact, on the second day of the bunch and our efforts, the meeting of the peoples, we already said that, full stop, we

are not going with the independent system of independence, we already started writing resolutions then, and we wrote a large number of them of all kinds of economic and political about the prohibition company, the ball was better written the act of declaration of independence and our position was based first on the huge internal beliefs of the monolith - this is the people's council of the parliamentary opposition as never, but the key thing is that we hmmm, let it be as usual. and this was confirmed by ukrainian history before and after . these are the people behind the flames, these are the people, the citizens of ukraine who demanded this independence, and there were fewer of us in the verkhovna rada.

there is more on the street, and here is the combination of the parliamentary group of the people's council of the opposition and a huge mass of people who have always supported us and came this time to support support . our confidence was based on this if this verkhovna rada or whomever you are talking about did not vote if on that day, and those days earlier, later they would attach the act of declaration of nationality, then as the father wrote, a famous ukrainian and russian writer, with a hint of a rare communist , he would run to the middle of the dnieper, the edikped would not be released from there, they stood there by the windows, looking at this sea of ​​people, this gorenko we see him now, we weren't so scared, all of us would be wrong god, and there was a question in the package

to accept and here's the declaration of independence , the ban on the company, and uh, we accepted it now it's forbidden, the party of great britain was on the third the day after that is prohibited and if we dragged on until night even people did not go anywhere or vice versa when the people felt that now it is already in the air in the air and this is the independence that you say that you did not feel it well, forgive me , we felt it we would not retreat we would not have retreated if the verkhovna rada rioted or if there was no post of the verkhovna rada, we mean not peaceful but independent ukraine, then the day would have been proclaimed, but we can say that not only gorenko was already aware of the first cross of the central committee of the communist party, what was the relationship with kravchuk, because it

a key figure, his heavenly kingdom is great, our first president , and he, well, on the 20th, i met him on the 20th during a state of emergency, and he almost said that he was so brave with a saber going forward to independence. what do you say, i will say that kravchuk was certainly a personification, but there was a large group of so-called national communists and plyushch and many others who also felt their moment . excuse me over the house on the independence of ukraine, fortunately for us, they were evil after that, as it seemed to them at the time that the democratic processes of russia were in the park and they were scared by the branches, they did not

understand that russia can never be democratic. we will probably be the masters of this, because this is a piece of the soviet empire in ukraine . our main position is that i would repeat this phrase many times and i will say it again . it became yellow under this, they spoke in a wonderful ukrainian language, it's true , they threw out the party cards, closed them, told, thank god, our party will not be watching, they stayed because

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