[000:00:00;00] light that's all, thank you volodymyr filenko ukrainian politician outstanding ukrainian politician folk method of ukraine of the first third fourth sixth field convocation commander of the orange maidan fourth year was with us and we are finishing and not in melnyk starts news that work in the final news release right on the course this the day has come the netherlands and denmark will hand over fighter jets to our country how many f16 ukraine is getting and what will be discussed at the next meeting in the rammstein format good evening with you anna eva melnyky news team tells about the important thing

: after the netherlands , he hands over his f16 to ukraine and denmark, and this country will take part in the training of ukrainian pilots after the netherlands. i will remind minister mette frederiksen that denmark has 44f-16 in service and is ready to hand over 19 of them, the first six - ukraine will receive it before the new year, said frederiksen , and please accept this gift as a sign that the danes do not unwaveringly support you in

in your fight for freedom, we are on your side both now and in the future , and i promise you on behalf of all the dances and tributes, no matter how long this terrible war lasts, denmark will not give up. they will work here with the f-16, and then they will work with the f-16 in our skies. i was happy to hear good words about our soldiers from my colleagues, very clear and fair praise, they are motivated, like all of us in ukraine, and today it became known that ukraine will be able to receive from netherlands 42 planes 16 this was reported by prime minister mark rutte this happened during volodymyr zelenskyi's official visit to the netherlands, the ukrainian president was shown his dream planes and was even allowed to sit in the pilot's seat every time the defense and security forces of ukraine came for a new type of weapon,

the hunchbacks leopards, patriots, we felt that this war is coming to an end, to an end with the victory of the free people of the free ukrainian people, f 16 will certainly give new such energy, confidence, new motivation language training is currently taking place for both soldiers and the civilian population, and in the future military training will begin as soon as possible, and then it will move to romania, that is, everything will happen very quickly in order to transfer the planes to ukraine as soon as possible. meanwhile, we will work on the infrastructure so that the planes can take off safely and to land in ukraine, the next ramstein will take place in a month at the air base of the same name in germany, it will be held face -to-face, minister of defense oleksiy

reznikov said, he noted that such meetings are held every month except for august, when the defense ministers of the partner countries are mostly on vacation, the key topic of the new discussion will be anti-aircraft defense , in particular, and about aviation as its component. in addition, the agenda will include issues of artillery and ammunition for it, as well as armored vehicles of all types, at the same time among priorities, the training of our fighters, the renewal of brigades and the formation of new ones, i will remind you that the previous 14th ramstein took place on july 18 in a virtual format, more about the situation in the regions of ukraine, the russians struck again pokupyansk was damaged by artillery, the building of the educational institution was damaged in the gymnasium, there was a fire, there were repeated hits in the city center as a result of previous strikes , 11 people were injured, seven were in a serious condition , three on average, one more person was helped on the spot, five

cars were destroyed and damaged, the post office arose several fires were reported by oleg synogubov, the head of the region. in addition, the russians occupied vovchansk in kharkiv oblast . one civilian was killed and one more suffered as a result of the enemy shelling of the village of kozatsk in kherson oblast, the head of the regional military administration oleksandr prokudin said. he noted that the russian occupiers shot at the residential building of the machine. another civilian was also killed in novoboryslav . was walking along the street, no mines were found, the sappers of the state emergency service carefully examined the water area on the odesa

langheron beach, in general, they passed under water about 650 m² however, no dangerous objects were found earlier, vacationers noticed an object similar to a river anchor mine in the sea behind the breakwater, after which explosive devices arrived at the scene, at the same time , law enforcement officers warned people through loudspeakers about the danger and asked them to move to a safe distance in the temporarily occupied part of the kherson region , powerful explosions are heard according to local residents, they have been hearing the detonation of ammunition for more than an hour, informs the center of national resistance, this time the russians flew somewhere between the head of the pier and skadovsk, at the same time, the occupiers claim the successful work of their anti-aircraft defense in this area of ​​the network, photos of destroyed bombers at the russian soltsi airfield, which in the novgorod region can be seen in the photo, show that the 22nd bomber here

is completely engulfed in fire. let me remind you that this airfield is where russian bombers are based which are carriers of x-22 missiles , moscow is sinking, russian propagandists report that a heavy downpour broke through the roof of an international russian store, the premises are being filled with water in the very capital of russia shopping centers are also turning into water parks on some streets. the government is blocking traffic because the water is already knee-deep. billions of rubles , propagandist media report , previously a strong current damaged 200 m

of the railway track in borodyanka near the monument to the shot kobzar , the awarding of laureates of the national prize took place taras shevchenko awards of ukraine for 2022 and 2023, a decree on the awarding of ukraine's highest official creative award president volodymyr zelenskyi issued on july 28, for the first time in the history of the award, the names of the laureates were not announced on taras shevchenko's birthday , and the winners were determined in five nominations, including our colleague vitaly portnikov according to journalistic news, as war news, it is absolutely obvious that you just have a special mission, not just a job, but to always be close to your

audience in the city, so i just think that war is the most serious test for journalism, for journalism, for culture in general, it is good that the aristocracy is our spirit, our political elite, our uh, well, the committee, so that they show where we need to orient ourselves, and that such sincere sacrificial service can be rewarded by the whole society, this is a very important sign for society, stop putler the match of the women's world football championship had to be stopped for a few minutes . a fan ran onto the field with a t-shirt calling for the russian dictator to be stopped and on his back was the inscription free ukraine and the map of our country, the truth with the odesa region cut off. by the way, spain won the final for the first time in history. they won against the england team with a score of 1:0 . this is how this day was presented by the news editor. read more on our website espresso

tv, subscribe to our channels in social networks, be close and i will wait for you tomorrow in this studio at 2:00 p.m. congratulations, lose, i want to start our conversation with such and such an intimate topic, if it can be called an intimate topic, what do you think mstislav keldesh great deed mstislav keldesh and when he was the president of the academy of the new ukrainian union, later he had huge awards from the soviet union, he became a twice-time hero of socialist labor , he was erected a bust in the homeland of the hero, as was accepted at that time, stavkysh was born on a flight during, by the way, paton hid him from the disgraced paton in ukraine for several months, you see

you also remember this and this bust simply because it is plus two times the heroes of the socialist spice, he was safely idle until the russian -ukrainian war and was now dismantled by the decision of the riga city duma, it passed i don't even know the decision about its dismantling. i don't even know whether it has already been dismantled or not. the stars of the hero of socialist labor were dismantled from it a long time ago. a ten-year-old portrait of boris paton is standing in front of you. boris was also twice a hero of socialist labor and has not been dismantled yet. and the question arises whether this bust with the stars of the hero should stand in the center of kyiv, this is not a question about paton's personality, this is concrete, an outstanding scientist, the face of ukrainian science . now you can look at the book about volodymyr shcherbytskyi with its premise, but we are not even talking about paton's contribution now, about the fact that it is in a bust , as you know, in a pseudo-roman style, placed twice heroes of the soviet union by the decision

of socialist labor by the decision of the presidium of the verkhovna rada the ussr, should he be there? i just thought about it. maybe i would have taken off these two stars. maybe i’m not convinced, but i can’t say for sure that i took them off. but maybe paton’s meaning is not in what he says, but in the fact that he is there, what’s possible? would this removed, but the bust of paton, by the way, one more thing, in addition to the fact that there was a story of skeldesh, the academy of sciences of its time did not agree to the construction of the chernobyl nuclear power plant as it was not pressured . well, i think that paton simply had such opportunities as a member of the central committee of the cpsu , what is the nature of his will, not just that was to do believe me how in general how in general now to analyze the history of this heritage of the ukrainian ssr which was obvious

to the colonial work but there were always people who in one way or another tried to at least preserve their own idea of ​​decency and in in science and culture, we mentioned what he was about . i remember oles gonchar very well when he was a member of the central committee of the cpsu. support, you understand. i myself would never print such a text, no one would simply not allow it. but at the same time, for many people, gonchar is a soviet writer and the head of the council of soviet writers, there are a lot of such people, but in spite of everything, this government, well, i have the authorities of independent ukraine named hound street of course, this is local self-government, but you see, when there was a street renaming , we tried to protect it. i'm not even talking about gonchar there. desired street is--e prospect . yes, we don't have kremenchuk avenue, although the question arises again about the desired kremenchuk.

- these are two figures in soviet culture . there was not a single non-soviet work, if you publish something, you can’t see anything, it seems to me that he was not sigmatized because of her, because to her, well, i understand what claims there can be, so what to do according to soviet science, this is from ukrainian, how is it, how is it to be done because science has no nationality, well, no science can have one. well, maybe there are claims against humanitarians. if it's not science, but something like that. but if it's science, then what can be the claims? well, we can't cancel newton's uh what's the difference who was he under? i understand that

the french revolution does not need mathematics, but even less so, we are already living in another century , but what was the brightest figure of ukrainian soviet science for almost several decades in a row, neither paton, academician korolyov, nor academician lysenko, i mean from the point of view from the point of view of the officials, the main character is no no no well how come no well yes if we now move to the 60s with you we will go to shevchenko boulevard we will ask any person which scientist she knows paton anyway you are not sweat not lysenko in the 1960s already paton definitely paton i thought it was just possible glushko maybe korolev maybe amosov from the point of view of an objective new contribution and i'm talking about a myth and about a myth anyway paton well paton it was paton maybe because the moh was always paton no one took it apart, you see, son. yes, no one paton, um, maybe this is because of this, uh, not because he

tried to be the president of the electric welding academy, it’s definitely a scientific discipline, but i’m just asking, it’s also a good question, i don’t know if it is a scientific discipline but it is at least what made it possible to create that what didn't happen before, i mean not even space , i mean the welding of a person, well, the vessels and the rest, they did it. it's true. this is a social science. well, we are not bad about it, but it is definitely an applied science, and maybe not a fundamental one, but it is a separate science or not. it is difficult to say whether it is a branch or not a branch, but i want to understand two things: in the soviet

union of the academy of sciences ukraine indeed functioned or was it a conditional institution functioned that is, it was a fundamental science not only it to a greater extent by the way it was applied rather than fundamental at least if we talk about economics it is difficult for me to talk about those fools well i am not like that economics was definitely to a greater extent applied but but in fact a lot was done very they helped a lot, helped the authorities by creating not that there was a scientific basis, but by creating a program of actions that was scientifically based, not what

was carried out, what they did, but what it had to be done for geographical reasons , for demographic reasons, for financial reasons, that is, they tried to balance it all in such a way that it was normal and , by the way , they contributed to the crimea. less and argued with maybe thanks to paton maybe not but i can’t say i can’t separate the influence of paton and the influence of the academy itself you understand that everything was associated but paton could say no to anyone the story of skeltysh, in particular, is an example

. what happened in the post-soviet era, but now with the academy of sciences, does it exist, too? and this is the problem. the ukrainian academy of sciences does not work so efficiently . how is the german, french, american, etc.? sciences well, let's say anglo-saxon, where is science in universities? well, in our country, it has never been in universities, in order for it to transfer to a university, it is necessary to remove at least half of their workload from teachers, at least i am not convinced that this will give results, but at least it should be done with their workload, they cannot work even on research , it is necessary to plan the educational process in a different

way, at least for masters, if not to touch bachelors, well, and so on, and we just start copying well, unfortunately, but you have keep in mind that in western universities there is already a separate scientific activity, a separate teacher in both directions. and by the way , a production passport, so to speak. yes, but there is not only an anti-saxon system, there is a german one. i apologize there, i am an analogue of the academy of sciences, absolutely the society of max plank. well, here it is 100% and the analogue is the polish academy of science as we have. well, there are different options. and we start, we grab something and start to form it. unfortunately, i can just see, even at my institute, we pray

, we lose our desire to study in graduate school, yes, but then they go, they don’t stay alone. they get knowledge. they get a degree. they go there in business . why would a person use me? not so much . why would a person use it? on the business card it is written phd or candidate of sciences, then it helps the authority adds well, and then i think that i can, it is also related to the fact that people simply do not find the opportunity to live on this scientific activity no, it is definitely because of this that they leave but simply that we teach them we are trying to teach and then it is not implemented where it should be implemented . well, by the way, it is very important to understand how this has affected the last 17-18 months, because a lot of people, well, at least women . this is how i thought about my scientific careers in

the west we couldn't hope for these careers, completely unexpected prospects have opened up now, we don't think about it, but it's a fact well, i have several co-workers , to be honest, not the worst, far from the worst, i'll show you not abroad yet and i'm afraid that they won't return in their specialty so that it cost who is a specialist, who is not, who is still waiting for employment , but what to do with this lost resource, this is also a very important point, because we are talking about the lost resource from the point of view of the population, we often talk about numbers, but we can talk about the quality of the percentage of our women who are abroad, these are the data of the germans and the data of the poles are not mine, they have a higher education, and you understand that they went abroad with their children. they are not the weakest, i am told that those who have gone here all their lives have been behind

their husbands, fathers, and so on. this is not true. who was behind them? they didn't go, they were afraid because there is no back there. and that's why we can lose a lot. well, i'm very afraid that after the victory, after the lifting of martial law, family reunification will take place, but not in ukraine. there are risks and that the war will last longer. the more infrastructure and production, housing, and everything else will be destroyed , the greater the probability that this will happen is a very important point, which we are already beginning to talk about cautiously, they are talking about it in the west that the first months of the war after the great attack, we did not, i would say that even for a certain period from the 14th to the 20th of the second year, we forced russia to act according to our

own scenario, well, let's say a quick change of power, and yes, the occupation of a large number of territories we disrupted all this, first of all, we kept russia from war for a long time, from the big war, then we interrupted this possibility of a blitzkrieg, and from some point on, russia implements its own scenario of delaying events, and the question arises as to how well we are able to adapt to this scenario, because in i have the impression that society does not adapt to it, she who believes that everything will somehow end and we will have our own scenario in this meeting, the restoration of the country, the reconstruction, and it would all be wonderful if only it happened, but if we still find ourselves in this scenario of protracted events, can we we impose our own scenario

of life in our ussr, the possibility is absolutely too different in our resources, the loss of a million people for ukraine - this is a catastrophe both in a moral sense, in a mental sense and in a simple quantitative sense for russia. no, it cannot lost the demographics of a million more well, this has already happened, but the question arises as to how to live in this, many countries were restructured in this way, and it is easy to call it a disaster, how can we become residents? the question is when it will happen. to be rebuilt, what do you mean? well, we have already taken certain actions that would have been carried out, the relocation

of enterprises. are not interested in the population remaining there no, i understand this and i say that today we are interested in preserving our people as much as possible because i repeat for the millionth time the state is not factories, it is not banks, it is people, and if people there will be much less than yes, no, i am not talking about the war, even i am talking about other things , any what kind of territory does it need a certain population size, we had about 45 people per square kilometer before the war, this is less than the average in europe if you compare

let's say with norway, there were 14, but i'm sorry, we have a different territory and a different economy. so, i'm trying to talk to you about this one, that we will have to rebuild the economy and territorial capabilities, well, organize this territory if there are significantly fewer people than the minimum required for it arrangement, that's what i apologized for earlier. if you were a german academician or a french one, i thought, well, really, you don't have such experience , you don't know how it's done, but you spent most of your life in the soviet the union has been in k- all its life and was bred there empty territory was two-thirds somehow empty territory was siberia well what is in the territory that is the question no one paid attention to how vladivostok is developing how

the khabarovsk krai is developing and what about siberia in general then taiga and let them live here, a different situation, i mean a different territory, if we had such a thing, traditions, economically, from the point of view of geography , a forest-steppe, a forest-steppe - this is a forest-steppe, it is not a forest. huge enterprises, all this is the end of its history. well, somehow they organized this territory, people left there, but less, but there is still more than that. believe me, there is a risk that there will be much less in kherson oblast than in ruri and donbas, well, about donbas. i , in general, i don't know what will happen to him. i really don't know what it means to be good with him, then anyway, it's important to understand when we have

to talk about it with you now or after the end of the war. now we're talking about it and we 're talking about what we have e- when we we are talking about the restoration of the economy of ukraine, we should not be talking about the restoration of the economy of ukraine in general, we should be talking about the restoration of the south, the restoration of the territory close to the borders with the aggressive neighbors of both, we should be talking about the restoration of the western territories, we should be talking about the restoration of central ukraine , we should be talking about the restoration of metropolises, these are five completely different approaches for each of the segments of each of them, and we have to understand this today, both the academy and the department of economics, and i personally we are trying to convey this to the authorities because ukraine is a poor country and it will remain poor

in 5 to 10 years, well, realistically, looking at all the things that have been destroyed, no matter how much we try to rebuild, we will remain a poor country in a poor country , the population always gathers around the capital and metropolitsev we have five zeros of them today, we also consider them a metropolis, although there is not a million there, maybe already, uh, no, lviv does not have a million, there is no, believe me, there is no place where we left more than that, we went somewhere, if donetsk is in normal condition, it will be the sixth metropolis but no matter what happens, the population will gather around these cities because the labor market is more developed there , because there is a housing market there, because there are opportunities, it is necessary , it is necessary, it is necessary. i have big doubts about the sumy chernihiv

region, especially the northern part, but