[000:00:00;00] and where could they get them, then they went to this place to work, they came back, you mean there is such a category of the population, this will be everything , this will be everything. what year they went to school, now they have graduated, you can imagine with what understanding of ukraine-russia relations they left this school, you and i graduated from soviet schools, no , no one told me that ukrainians are nazis, well, a lot. well, a lot of other things they killed us, they didn't kill us, that ukrainians and russians are the antipodes, that i studied at a soviet school, i am jewish by origin, they killed me in my head about

the israeli military, this is the treva military from the israeli military, you didn't meet then, and now these children who were killed i don't believe that this is happening at the oxygen level , it's actually happening. i don't talk to these people very often, but i do. believe me , sister, the fear of god. when my coworker's mother says, i won't go to your place. she lives there in the already occupied territory, i won't go to you, i won't go to the murderers, and she says i'm a murderer, no, but the government is a murderer here. the question is that many people who adhere to such ideological narratives are most likely the first time an older person, and how younger people can simply to go to russia, and i don’t understand at all why a person lives in such danger that

for you the danger passes on tanks, that is why i think that after victory we will get a very old population there, because the young people will most likely leave, the older people will stay because they have nowhere to go. here they have a house there or an apartment or something else and they will stay and vote for the party of peace so that you do not doubt that we should hold elections there. well, by the way, many people think that we will be able not to hold elections there, which people do not there will be electoral rights. i want to look at it. do not forget that on the 25th year, how many uh, thousands of years of the charter of freedom yes uhu, well, there are many who operate on ideas that there are baltic examples , pasportive, citizens' treaty, a transition period may be a transition period, but i don't quite understand how to do it how do you

separate those people who sincerely cheer for ukraine, now they live in the occupied territories, not everyone could leave. if you want to know my position in general against such an approach as such, this is a stalinist approach. have you been to the occupied territories and your relatives are happy , it immediately turns the country into a monster because that the baltic countries simply recovered in the 1940s and they did not separate anyone, even if you were the only person who came to latvia after the 1940s and did not have a passport and relatives like you and i had undergo notarization, we, uh, we, we operate according to russian propaganda standards, which say that latvians were quietly given citizenship, russians were not given citizenship, this is not true, citizenship was given to everyone who passed neutralization until the 40th year. national, of course, if you are latvian and did not have citizenship, and your native language is latvian, it is easier for you to pass it than if you are russian , it is clear, but the approach was to my passport by nationality, so i say that what we will

have, but in those territories we will have a huge trouble even in those territories that were occupied in the 22nd year, but i'm just scared to think what we will have there , i repeat once again, in donbas it will be more difficult than in the direct and you don't think that we are not very good from the point of view of the people who look at us an optimistic conversation about what i can do. well, let's shout yes. glory to ukraine . well, glory. no, maybe we need to find some kind of strategy to end our conversation , an optimistic strategy. ukraine's victory is absolutely inevitable in this belief, in what form, in the fact that the ukrainian will survive as a state, this is a fact, yes, i absolutely agree with this, but you can’t name often victories and borders, you can’t and the number of the population or the number of the population if we talk

about the borders of the year 91, then my dream now is somewhere around 37 million with a tail of too optimistic 91 yes, with crimea and donbas, my dream is for us to have 30 of these borders, 30 million, yes, this is the transformation of ukraine from a conditional poland to a conditional czechoslovakia. no, it is not so tough in poland. 38 million, yes, yes, yes, 38 million, yes, more than czechoslovakia, yes. i didn't say slovakia with what country can it be compared to poland, that is, it will be just another poland, only poor, only poor, and god forbid that we be as motivated as the poles, all motivated by the economy of the national state, e-e

, the war contributes to this state of motivation. yes, the truth is that we have never had such a unity of society that we have today, maybe the poles were also motivated by the miracle on the donkey and what happened to them in 1939, they lost the state, then it became clear what it is like without again without a state, most likely and fortunately we have not lost yet and we have not lost i hope that we will not lose. and if we talk about optimism , you know, god help us to preserve the degree of unity that we have today to avoid splits, there will be a division of society , it is not scary, it is normal, we are not the same, and there is nothing terrible about it, but to avoid a split,

thank you for this conversation, dear friends, i am very glad to see you here, i am very glad that the book arsenal is functioning in these difficult days of the war , i want to sincerely thank its organizers, i want to thank mrs. slavinsky, who organized this very important program of ours with you communication, i want to thank you and our defenders, we understand very well that without their courage we would not be here and our

hopes for a future peaceful, democratic ukraine would also not be there . we are experiencing another special moment in our history with you. this is the term that defined ukraine and

its neighboring countries , timati will find it as the meaning of our history with you. why did it happen? preservation, why are we constantly forced to live on bloody lands even in the xxi century, which i think to many of us, a few years ago , seemed like a time of progress, peaceful development , and eventually a normal human life . how can it be that next to the invention of artificial intelligence, people without any intelligence kill

and rob are raping on our land , how is it that at a time when it would seem that international law should be an undoubted priority? recognition of the right of force and not the force of law, we are not the only such region in the world, but it is less known to everyone else as the territory of such bloody lands that the balkans is the territory from which war comes, people knew for centuries

, after all, and the first world war began in the balkans, that events in the middle east can lead to endless wars everyone knew for centuries the struggle for the middle east has always been a part of the world history of politics roman emperors and napoleon soviet general secretaries of the president of the united states everyone was there and everyone fought for its influence and for its capabilities, but here i would have been on the periphery of civilization and few people imagined that our destiny and our history and our development are incredible reminds me of all these

regions that have always been the center of destabilization for the whole world and now it is our turn and many people in the world ask whether the third world war will not start in central europe, and whether it can happen that nuclear weapons will be used right here in central europe, and whether it can happen that it is in this region that the war of man-made disasters begins, it has already begun we can say that the blowing up of the dam of the kakhovka hydroelectric power station is the beginning of this war of man-made disasters. i think that we should talk with you about the conflict of civilizations. all these regions that i mentioned

have always been on this civilizational border, not on the geographical border, but on the civilizational one, where the priority is rights as such have always met with the right of force and with the certainty that by force one can impose one's power , one's values ​​and, most importantly, one's culture , one's language, one's worldview, so it was always in the balkans, so it was in the middle east. yes

it is happening in our country, simply for the world, our territory was never perceived as a conflict for most people outside of ukraine and for many people in our country. for many decades, if not 100 years, ukraine was simply an extension of moscow, such an original extension of moscow, an extension of moscow in which dumplings jump by themselves to the mouth, as one great russian writer who was born on these bloody lands told his russian readers, and only now, only now, do most of us who

observe us realize that we are different realizes that our civilization is different from the civilization of neighboring russia realizes in the end that even the civilization of northern russia before the mongols was already different from the civilization of southern russia , you can talk about this for a long time, you can read cycles of historical lectures and i quite often think that this should be done because our the problem is that we lived in a world with a falsified history of a falsified past. i am absolutely sure that a people who live in a world of a falsified past cannot have

a real present. and the most terrible thing is that they do not may have a future, i sincerely believe that after these trials, ukrainians will be able to return to themselves, this is a difficult experience . it would be better if it were evolutionary. competition, she wants to destroy us, to destroy those who believe in their country and who internally feel their own identity. it seems to me that all of us perfectly understand that in fact

identity cannot be replaced. to make a person what he is not i was born in a time when everything jewish was by and large banned for teaching hebrew you could go to prison zionism was a curse word jewish culture nayedesh existed in a marginal state and there were not even textbooks i always tell that i when i tried to learn to read and write in the language of my grandparents , i cut out pages from the only magazine in the soviet union at the time and copied their notebooks and thus learned to read and write any book that i could

to learn i don't talk about the teacher anymore, i just wasn't there and then i felt humiliated , i thought why i was like this, but i knew very well that when i see these letters, i hear these words as the main one, when i hear folk music, i felt that it was mine and extrapolating to i definitely understood my ukrainian peers that they feel the same when they hear their own folk music. and by the way, i used to listen to ukrainian folk music all the time because i had windows that opened onto the windows of the folk chapel . so, since i was a child, i heard folk songs as much as and after that i never heard of them in life i know everything, i can sing the entire repertoire, so i understood that it is like a heart that cannot be replaced, but it was important for me to understand then and now why people do not want to admit this in themselves, and because the

state in which we lived for 100 years they tried to convince us that it's a shame to be yourself, here's a russian person, don't be ashamed because he's the elder brother of all nations . and you can be a ukrainian, of course, dance the hopak, make varenyki with cherries when relatives from moscow come, but you don't have to speak this country language with the city population if you don't want to be a peasant, please talk in členučkoy yazeki and so, in fact, a great nation of many millions lived in this state of humiliation , not even for decades, but for hundreds of years, for centuries people

were ashamed of themselves when the moscow state came to these lands, people in the cities spoke polish here in ukrainian nayedesh poems were written in latin before the february revolution of 1917. there was only one city in ukraine in which ukrainians made up the majority. it was poltava according to the population census and one the city in which the majority of jews were. it was berdychiv, and all the other cities were russian. and where did the russians come from in such numbers, not where did they come from? many people wanted to become russian because

it was better than being people of the first class . the linguistic russification of ukraine long before the bolsheviks, as a result, we became a country in which all-ukrainian was relegated to folklore , relegated to the countryside, relegated to a culture that cannot have a modern dimension, this was an obvious lie, we know how much ukrainian-speaking culture, let's say, made achievements that can be compared with the cultural achievements of any other culture of european nations, but it was always hidden, always in the foreground , something completely different was paid, always

they tried to prove to people that if they want to develop, they should become like their older brother. i recently read a great the text about how similar processes took place in kazakhstan and saw exactly the same parallel in the decrease in the teaching of the kazakh language in higher educational institutions of kazakhstan kazakhs that there has never been any history in kazakhstan, and the entire history here was created by the russians by people's convictions that an intelligent , cultured person is only one who speaks russian, and that's how a whole nation of russian-speaking kazakhs grew up, just as a whole nation of russian-speaking ukrainians emerged from us, and that as a

result, in kazakhstan there was no war, but what percentage of the population of kazakhstan do you think today believes that russia will never attack kazakhstan? guess the figure is 73% and this is to some extent the figure of the national subconscious that people cannot believe that a neighboring country can commit such a crime against them, a country with which they supposedly live peacefully for decades, and that this country lives peacefully with them only as long as they obey it. it doesn't even seem real, even against the background of the experience that the ukrainian

people have today here on our land , a lot of problems are solved at once, the first is the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine and the preservation of the ukrainian people on the ancient lands of ukrainian residence, but at the same time, it is decided where it will take place the frontier of civilization and where civilization will begin, i have always said and i am preparing to repeat once again that ukrainians pass two exams, first for the ability to create a state and for the defense of the very idea of ​​the state, and you see how our

compatriots pass this test both in this war and during the defense of our country in 2014-2022 and on the maidan, and the second test is whether the ukrainian state can hold on to the borders of the ukrainian ssr, also a very important test not only for us, but also for this civilized world. and the border will pass where we we will be able to protect it not just the ukrainian border but the border of the free world, and then the world of slavery will begin, and russia does not just want to turn our country into a world of slavery , it wants to show all the other peoples of its former empire what happens to those who resist slavery, that is why they fight with the peaceful population, that's why they want to destroy our

infrastructure, that's why they're attacking our museums, that's why women and children are being robbed and killed, so that every country to which russia will later say that they need to go home will understand what's wrong with it it will be the same as with ukraine if it doesn't obey. we say a lot that we are protecting the civilized world from the russian invasion. to be honest, i'm not sure that the civilized world is in so much danger , considering that in order for it to be threatened, the russian leaders have to agree to the possibility of nuclear war. and we we can already see that putin is a coward, he is a st. petersburg gopnyk he strikes only when he himself is in no danger of anything, such people are usually capable of striking countries that cannot

respond, and therefore he can dream that if he succeeds, he will launch a nuclear attack on a non-nuclear state, not necessarily on us. many tests are still ahead in other countries. but those countries that can respond, which themselves have nuclear weapons, i think there is little danger, that is why it is so important for us to become members of the north atlantic union, so that from the territory of this gladiatorial fight, where we are being killed by the wild, soulless machine of russian anti-civilization, to cross the observation deck and watch the russian wars as they are now watched by the poles, the french, the finns , the germans, and eventually the poles and the finns, the russians too were not considered human beings that on the eve of the second world war, in the end, the russians proved that no

poland had ever existed; in the end, there will be no poland in the end. in the propaganda literature of the times of the empire, they always wrote that the russian poles are one people, only divided by different religions, in the end, stalin created puppets for finland and a government that was supposed to come to helsinki with soviet bayonets and sign the agreement on the accession of finland to the soviet union because there was to be no finland, but in the end the russians have come to terms with poland and finland and will be forced to come to terms with us. it is important that our resistance protects, and this is not just a task that we perform, but a consequence of our struggle other peoples of the former soviet union from their absorption of the russian state. i would call bloody lands not only european republics of the former soviet

union i would call the entire former soviet union the bloody lands imagine the russian empire we don't know much either, but if we look at the history of each nation from ashgabat, where the turkmen were massacred by the troops of general skobelev, and to the ukrainian lands, where the ukrainian greek catholic church was persecuted even during the first world war by the troops of general brusilov, we will see the same nightmare everywhere . to develop as a european nation , i am sincerely sure of this. how long have we had to defend this right of ours, then this can happen

. the new generations of kazakhs, turkmens, kyrgyz will not even bother anyone uzbeks, i hope that there are belarusians, i really hope that other peoples of the former soviet empire will be grateful for this, precisely to our soldiers, precisely ours , moscow's imperial ambitions always began with ukraine