[000:00:00;00] welcome to the espresso channel. today, in our military program, we will talk about military hi-tech, that is, about new technologies that we need on the battlefield, and here it is not so much about directions or solutions as about creating real conditions for ideas to quickly turn into practical results at the same time, by the way, there is an opinion that ukraine now has a unique chance to be not only a training ground for new military technologies, either domestic or foreign, from our partners here, and drones for the development of artificial intelligence , but also to become a country with a new economy on a military basis, because the army and the defense industry are the basis of our existence and development for a long-term strategic

perspective. therefore , we will talk about new defense prospects from military start-ups to alliances between ukrainian and foreign defense industrial companies in our program with ukrainian experts who have powerful expertise and experience to evaluate this new reality. i am serhii zhoritsy. i am the director of the information consulting company defekt express, which, together with press channels, cover the most relevant trends in the field of security and defense, and now we are joined by denysa long-term member of the supervisory board of the ukrainian startup fund, the head of the unicorn neste company, mr. deniso. i congratulate you . i am glad to see you on the air of the espresso channel. it is good to see you. cool background and i think of him, too. provided ukrainian technologies from the point of view of using drones of the striking direction, so you now have considerable experience in communicating with our startups

of different orientations in different directions now among them there are companies at home that offer solutions in the field of security and defense. and i wanted to hear about the evaluation of these directions, but first, that you would comment on this thesis that i spoke about earlier. is it really possible to say that ukraine should bet on development of the economy precisely on a military basis and under this against the program of financing projects, uh, preparing people and so on. what are your evaluations of this thesis? well, my evaluations of this thesis. so, yes, we need it and we can do it, but i would probably be a little pessimistic because if we let's look, for example, at israel and at other countries in which defense is well developed, military technology is developed. then you can see that it's not a year

, not two, not even five. if we play this, it's a very long road. well, i would plan would be at least 10 years old. well, then it means that the first step must be taken today in any case . i am mistaken about investments in the ukrainian tag-sector and in defense startups, and the other the speech was about how you assess the potential of ukrainian companies that offer samples that are supposed to fly, so i would like you to summarize it in one of your e-e summarizing speeches about how you currently assess this potential of the ukrainian e-e

military startup that there is a cool thing in the current activity of our young companies a-a well, first of all, i want to note that it turned out this way yes what i have er-er now er-er experience of communicating with such companies er-er it came out of three directions the first is i have an education at the faculty of space systems of kyiv university polytechnic and i understand flying, secondly, i have many friends who are on the front , who are in intelligence, who need to be helped with drones, and we are trying to do it. thirdly, i have been in startups for the last 18-19 years in other capital industries and i understand who finances startups in general, that is, i met more than 200 startups , i have the numbers somewhere, i won’t bring them up now

, but there were more than two hundred, but less than a hundred, but not startups, but groups people , including companies that do something it flies. well, i can tell you about my experience only based on these meetings. i don't know what is being done in other industries. first of all, secondly, i have a very powerful network of investors, and some of them, it turned out, financed and they finance, including military technologies, in the same silicon valley, there is a separate, separate direction from difenstek, and there are large productions in raysion and other global companies that produce something capable of killing on the

battlefield and combining i have this experience too it turned out that there is a network among companies that cooperate with nato or with people who consult or are in the middle of nato, and i talked with everyone and i have several a-a ideas about what is happening and where it can be developed first a-a when we talk about investment is not, well, we are talking about money in exchange for a share in the company , and this is usually done by a carrier fund or angels, and they understand that they need to get this money back, preferably with a multiplier, that is, they invest, invest in business, and they are very far from in order to help ukraine as to the country that is fighting there, first of all, secondly, there are people who donate something on rent , it should be noted that we have donations when

donors buy something and give it to the front. and this is a separate separate series and this is the only thing we are very well developed and this is probably partly our trap, but there are now investors who invest in development and this is how much i spent somewhere around a year . i met almost every day. km behind the wheel and the main problem we have it is that when people invest in a business, they expect that the company in which they invest will play by the rules of this business. and this is the first thing. hmm , it is necessary to have someone in the team have experience in participating in international tenders. because when we

talk about the sale of arms for example, in the middle is in asia or well, we are not talking about europe, america, but such markets are more understandable for us, where there are no powerful , quite massive, powerful players where ukrainians can sneak in, so the first thing is that if the team does not understand how to get there, then it is not will receive money, and secondly, we have such a concept that not all our companies understand , as a military standard, this is a separate standard according to which all military, technological, all products used in the military are produced and developed, and this is very important thing, because it is several volumes, including how to solder, how to close, what is needed inside, and it is very expensive to take into account during development, and most of our companies that do something, they are focused on

molding with, as the americans say, what is there bricks made of feces and sticks, something that can literally kill muscovites today. and when they decide that they will make products that can be sold in asia and spend a couple of years and a million money on it there, or do something that will fly tomorrow and kill them they choose this direction so that they can quickly bring it to the front, and such companies are almost not interested in international investors, but they can count on donor contributions, our diaspora is very active here, and they can count on that volunteers and donors will buy from them. they have something that can also be supplied

to the front and this is a separate direction, which is good, good that 99.7 stands in the technological business, and when we had little chance of success before the full-scale invasion of such companies was very small, now we have hundreds of such companies, and maybe even thousands, and the probability that one of them will take off and create a competitive product for global markets is very high, very high, so we literally have 4 minutes, i would like to to study these four minutes, they told about certain directions and projects with contacts with our teams that impressed you personally, but there was a feeling of just such a well, a powerful basis for creating such combat startups and creating, well, concrete connections on the battlefield. well, first of all

before the invasion, we had a large number of startups that did something on the military theme. before that, we are not in a big hurry, and how about we look at what is flying and killing now, and what is very similar to world-class products, then this is a company who have many years of experience there 2 3 4 even 10 years and such companies i found several dozen and this surprised me a lot and this gives hope that they will be able to do something companies that only did something only with the beginning of a full-scale invasion , they started doing something only at the very beginning this way, they will need several more years to first catch up with what is already there and then to develop something that will be better than yes , but the number of people is the number of technologies that are involved and the exchange and communication with

the military and the instant test of what it has been developed, it gives us a very good chance that in the course of 2-35 or more years we will have powerful products with which we can do something on the global markets, mr. thank you very much for these optimistic forecasts. it is a pity that there is a lack of time due to hostile actions with enemy aircraft, i hope that we will continue this conversation there in a week after two because you are engaged in an extremely interesting direction which well, people need to understand where they can invest money and where we have prospects so thank you for your inclusion for your experience and i will remind our viewers that in etherius press was denis long-haired member of the supervisory board of the ukrainian start-up fund head of the unicorn nest company if a woman likes herself she can do everything probiz femina - this is your useful microflora if it is the norm you can immediately see the skin , hair and everything else is just fire what is here

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defense industrial companies and now to we are joined by pavlo vertnatskyi, the director and managing partner of the ukrainian company kosa, a member of the international working group on russian sanctions and co-coordinator of the working group on security and space issues of the american ukrainian american business council, mr. pavlo, we are glad to see you and hear you on the espresso channel now hear just a few minutes before you, you had a long conversation with demis longopol, who, you know, is a member of the supervisory board of the ukrainian startup fund. he said that there really is significant potential in the creation of new types of weapons, relying on the ideas offered by young companies. but it will be in a year 2,3 or more, a promising direction - this is precisely the cooperation of ukrainian defense companies abroad with companies that already have well-developed products that are really needed on the battlefield and literally

yesterday on the initiative of the president of ukraine, at which he said that the first forum of defense industries will be held , which is designed to gather representatives of ukrainian and foreign companies there. will take place in the fall, and he said that it should give such a new security impetus to the world, the forum is scheduled for the fall, and then the question arises as to what exactly is the interest of foreign companies in cooperating with ukraine, because your company, as you understand , cooperates in detail with many foreign companies, studies and creates the prerequisites for such a well , correct communication between e-e foreign business and our business is also a question that attracts foreign companies to develop cooperation with the ukrainian

defense and industrial sectors on today, to say that they are very attracted to something would be a bit of an exaggeration. but they are definitely looking in our direction and they are looking for opportunities for this will be very banal, but the development of their business , in the sense that ukraine has become an importer of weapons and in under the conditions of the war, it is forced to purchase weapons abroad in order to quickly close some lost positions or opportunities for the development of its own pc have not been created , and therefore, let's say, foreign companies see an opportunity to quickly come here as

sellers, at the same time, it is more strategic is determined corporations that play the long game and try, well, or are looking for opportunities to cooperate with the ukrainian defense-industrial complex to create joint enterprises for joint production . they are looking for opportunities to expand their own production somewhere. they are looking for opportunities for joint production with ukraine , again, because ukraine a-a is already an importer of weapons, will potentially buy even more of them , will, in principle, already be forced to switch er, in a good sense, forced to switch to nato standards and buy and produce new ones for themselves weapons are no longer of the soviet type and not of the post-soviet type, and the corporations understand that this will happen in one way or another, everyone believes in our victory and

who will come first, whose platform will be the first to take root here. market prospects when i say platform, it can be a main battle tank, it can be an armored personnel carrier, it can be military aircraft, fighters, something is clear , ukraine will surely be able to save from its own production. about the military transport aviation, which we will be able to preserve, and then foreign partners may be involved or join in some kind of cooperation to produce these aircraft and in the future it is possible to find third countries and third markets for the sale of these products together

. when ukraine will be able to enter the position not only an importer, but also to regain its position as an exporter of weapons. but i am sure that this will already happen somewhere in cooperation with our foreign colleagues, because a competitive product on the modern arms market will be able to be produced by ukraine in in sufficient quantity, it is also a question of scaling in sufficient quantity precisely with international partners . as you rightly said, technologically, we also need to catch up a little bit. well, not a little bit. colleagues , and by the way, is the groundwork ready for such joint

projects because, on the one hand, we seem to have examples of success there, we are talking about the baikar company, the rain metal company, and are there any other proposals? well, a normal working basis to really quickly start creating joint products, because if you said that there is nothing particularly attractive in ukraine, then it means that we have to create conditions that are attractive, that we have to earn in order for progress to be greater and it is faster and more noticeable if it is serious, then we have, in principle, a certain technological base . well, let’s say, technically, the base is a good technical school , and that is, the personnel, of course, there is a problem with their

outflow, especially with the war. unfortunately, that the creation of educational programs based on ukrainian universities is also one of the ways, let's say, attracting international partners, we are talking with some of them about the creation of such programs together . some of them are postponing it until after the war. our opinion should still be launched now because there is so much wasted time, and i would not forget about the resource base, meaning natural resources such as titanium, aluminum, and lithium, which are available in ukraine and which also require certain development

regarding their processing, because it is not interesting to deal only with raw materials and sell raw materials to our partners a-a-a maybe even together with the attraction of foreign investments , it is possible with our own forces, this is already a question. industrial defense industry and taking into account the fact that none of our partners wants to do business with russia, which was one of the exporters of these products, then we have , in principle, to win some positions for ourselves in this area especially if, in my opinion, it will be developed with e-e together with foreign partners, because i think you know that

, for example, due to the fact that a large share of titanium used to go to russia, and the russians already sold the processed product to the same united states, for example, today the situation is changing and i think we can also use this to our advantage, and this applies in general to the optimization of the supply chains of our partners, who are also reorienting some of the resource flows of processed products of components to their own defense industrial enterprises from countries with which they previously cooperated in principle, and today it is ukraine. if it develops quickly, it will be able

to win over some of these positions for itself, that is, in fact, you mentioned titan as one of the directions of such a combination of the interests of the american and european and ukrainian defense industry and then in this context, here you are now with the co-chairman of the working group on security and respace industry of the american-ukrainian business council and i wanted to hear more in this context which directions between the ukrainian and the american side are promising and which can really be such a booster and accelerator of changes in the ukrainian aerospace industry. and what can be said here, well, in the aerospace industry, we are all waiting for the final, as he emphasizes, final decisions regarding the supply of certain fighter jets to ukraine, but we are all waiting for that that at least there will be a final decision and

specific deliveries of f16 fighters to ukraine and this is quite such a difficult process, although in fact it is a fighter of the fourth generation plus plus and this we hope that it will come to us in the complete set, uh, 4 plus plus if without detailing there, what blocks and so on, because you can use it, you can download it , it’s just the fourth generation, and it will be a completely different car, but the outside will be the same. therefore , we hope that they will come to at least we have more modern equipment, and what is important is that the infrastructure must be developed together with the aircraft, accordingly, these are airfields, and it will go

to 16, this is a certain specificity - these are airfields, and this is not only takeoff on the runway, this is a radar system, this is metrological means and equipment is ground maintenance, and in today's conditions, as we all agree, we all understand that any airfield is a potential target for the russians and such airfields must be protected by air defense systems . that is, there must be additional air defense systems. servicing these planes is a certain type of weaponry, which is the main purpose of providing these planes, yes, or the plane itself, well, it flies, it flies

. we are talking about modern missile weapons there , which can drink the enemy like air the air is the air, the ground is at a long distance, that’s why this is a whole complex of things that will allow , say, to attract people and companies inside ukraine for the development of these aircraft, for the development of the industry as such , components will be needed for spare parts for the repair of aircraft maintenance , it is clear that this process is not