[000:00:00;00] drone because mostly what we see, we see in the air or hear, well, but it seems to me that it is no longer a secret for anyone, but the russians have actually localized production and are riveting these drones, and from this, well, we even statistically see that the number of uh their use is now increasing, accordingly, cheap and such a terrorist tool that can be used is not economical and they will obviously also be used in the cold time of the year again, it is possible against critical infrastructure and so on, so there is a problem with them, but at the same time, well, mine is not such a difficult target for air defense means, as we can see from the statistics, even the one provided by the air force

, in principle , we cope with the attacks of martyrs, even with mass attacks, and this, in principle, inspires hope that such weapons it is already for us something that we can work with, but of course when this is a combined attack , let's say the main goal of these drones is to exhaust the ukrainian kpu system, so it can be said that it is an effective and effective tool for such exhaustion you they said that the enemy began to use more and more widely use unmanned aerial vehicles and what exactly are the types that you are observing, and the military

is now at the front , what has increased? let's say newer and possibly cheaper models of reconnaissance drones . well, i mean exactly the winged type, there are a lot of drones in use. the forces need as many units as possible of something similar to a lancet to such a kamikaze, which is controlled differently than chess, here you need to understand the difference in horror - it is more like a rocket on minimalkas, that is, relatively speaking, when you have missiles for a lot and you don't have them

you can make enough and you use it. this is the drone that reduces the number of combat units, reduces the speed, which is more vulnerable to anti-aircraft systems, but it is much cheaper and it is used to strengthen the eyes of terrorist attacks when we talk about the lancet then this is another story - these are drones that are already guided by a video signal, let me remind you that there is still a movement. it flies along a given point, well, actually, like a rocket, and the lancet is adjusted by the operator according to what he sees on the screen from the camera of the lancet itself and with firewood cameras for a scout that provides additional information from the field in order to better guide the sun itself er, yes, there are quite a lot of these drones and reconnaissance and er kamikaze drones of the lancet type and with that too well,

we need to look for additional methods of protection and answers yes, mr. ivan, we are talking about the lancet recently, we have been talking a lot and that this is quite a weapon that brings us a lot of problems, what can we compare it to the evolution of unmanned aerial vehicles in russia, are our skills progressing in the same way ? we will be able to resist if these shahes and lancets will fly in much greater numbers, well, my colleague is right. it is really a problem when there are many of them, when combined attacks really do not fly and they are really there, for example, chess there it is possible to knock down plus or minus there. and when they are there in combination with rockets, it is a big problem. lancets are a problem. there is such a pressure. it is a projectile for you, but it is massive. here is the company zala aero , yes, russian. he flaunts it, we have set up production there, by the way, several

weeks ago there was a report on the air about the leader , where is he, this owner of the company rides a gyroscooter in production shows that we only have a lot and the equipment is worth south korea, germany, the soviet, oh, the soviet, i apologize, but the united states that is, high-precision machine tools and they use them for production, i can't tell you that we have the same program. maybe it is there, but it is at the development stage and there are no publicly available materials there. hurray. we have created something analogous there and we will now to increase production, i want to believe that it will happen in the near future and there, certain state bodies there will take into account this gap there and make an analogue well, there is no problem, look . trembita-2 is there and let it fly, no, there’s no need to shy away from it. no, we can’t. we have to take it and do it. you see in us when separate structures are engaged, for example , the sbu is engaged in the development of this baby axis

, yes, there is a sea baby gura this magura drone, which showed itself beautifully , can we have a few of them. no, i’m just saying that we can also give unmanned and aerial drones under the control. who will be engaged in production, there may be no need to create them anymore, so many of these bodies have already been created that it will just be bureaucratic confusion and nothing will be created at all. ministry of drones, yes, well , the exchange of drones, drones, and artem's institute for the study of war. the russians actually use it more as a bait in order to then give more opportunities to missiles that fly either parallel or simultaneously. and is this really so, this is a certain tactic that

the enemy, please explain to us well, i am not a representative of the air defense forces, so i can judge from such a combined military point of view, and it seems to me that this statement is true, that it really is, well, what i already said , when we see an attack exclusively, well, a mono attack using exclusively of martyrs, usually according to the statistics provided by the air force, it is 100 or almost 100% hit when it comes to a combined wave with an attack of various types of missiles and the use of shaheds, then usually some of them break through and fly to this, including allowing the missiles to reach the target, because it is clear that there is a limited amount of ammunition in an anti-aircraft defense device that stands in one direction or another, if it

uses all this ammunition to hit several paths and after that the missiles fly it is clear that a situation may arise when there simply will not be enough ammunition to fight these cancers, and it is very difficult to predict this because ukraine is a very large country. defense, in any case, it is necessary to use some life hacks and place these means in such a way that, let's say, have the maximum probability of covering the most a-a sensitive and as large pieces of ukrainian land as possible. well, but if the enemy successfully launched a successful trajectory, he launched shahedis and missiles. it can. and apparently, sometimes such situations arise when there really is not enough ammunition

in order to use all these. it can hit and how powerful it is. it allows hitting large, large targets, let's let's remind you what the shahedis are used for , what target it can hit with its missiles, and the shahid is used to hit stationary targets. a cruise missile is, in fact, an unmanned aircraft, just a jet with a high speed, but it also flies to a given point and can change its trajectory in flight in order to confuse the ppu system, accordingly, the jacket

repeats this task, only it is much cheaper it has a much smaller warhead than in a missile, it's a couple of tens of kilograms , and it is much slower and much more vulnerable , respectively, to air defense systems, but its task is, in principle, the same: a stationary object on the ground, it is in this stationary object the object can fly if it is not shot down, uh, we don't know what the control system is, what can be done. well, directly in the flight there, to what extent can the conditional operator there control this flight, uh, but it seems to me that the operator's capabilities the operator is very limited, that is, at the very beginning. let's say this weapon is not at the very beginning, but in principle, this weapon can

be characterized as such a terrorist variant in order to constantly have nightmares. and it is significant, but not so big as to cause some critical destruction by some serious object, and on the other hand , it is still several dozens of explosives that can damage and affect people. i would say yes this is a cheap simplified terrorist missile mr. ivan, you already mentioned another attack on the russian federation, we see that our drones are really flying to the russian capital for free, it is friendly forces attacking russia however, if we talk about a certain dynamics

of shelling and talk about attacks and dynamics let's say the geography of these attacks again yes, as far as they demonstrate, these are quite distant goals , there is certain progress in the production of drones, which , as the russian occupiers claim , is happening on the territory of ukraine, so look at the drones, so unknown forces are friendly forces launch them they fly and you can say on the one hand that not all launches continue yes many do not but do you remember thomas edison when i really yes he blew out an incandescent lamp he had there well according to legend 1000 failed attempts and only there 1001 were conditionally successful he he didn't say that there were a thousand failed attempts, there were 1000 ways not to make an incandescent lamp, and 2001 how to make it, so i also consider the conditionally unsuccessful ones as an opportunity to find out where

the russians have air defense and how it works in in what sequence, what forces, the means are still available, how should the drones be improved so that the aga fell, they did not have enough fuel, the fuel tank should be expanded, or it flew over, there was no major damage, it is possible to give more explosives to this combat unit, that is, it is an opportunity for these forces to expand their new knowledge and hitting new objects , but let's be honest , there is no correlation between hitting, for example, in the moscow network and the advancement of our military there . hit about emotion about e-e there about impressions express hurrah there flew into moscow and on the front , well , there is not a single one of any force on it, that is , it has no influence on the advancement of the military at all , why do they choose such targets. he was shot down by accident, most likely the radio was suppressed by electronic warfare and he simply fell under the pressure of gravity. well, what i see

fell there, uh, once again, no objects are hit so far that have any military significance, objects are hit. which have a political significance min numbers he prom trade minokonom development and the center of moscow moscow-city is the tower eye 2 is what wow this is what an emotional country and here i saw the reaction of the russians there the girl reacted and i say interesting pi i look i never believed that they hit moscow under will examine for it is a great entertainment for them so far, but when the failures in the sale of real estate in moscow city begin , this will be an indicator . oleksiy congratulations good day, we are talking about the fact that gur has confirmed that russia used kamikaze drones

of the shache type for attacks on ukraine, and that it is of its own production and claims that it is ready to manufacture thousands of thousands of units per month. we do not know for sure who has what resources and volumes of what russia is capable of, but about the goals of what it is doing, because it is obvious that it can be used and as an intelligence apparatus, you can give your assessment of what exactly it is for oleksiy is doing it, and how much is this mass- production in russia can be large-scale. well, it can be large-scale for me, only in russia , it can be large-scale anywhere, because it is not a technological , simple product. to do we remember the information that the russians involved

people in production or in the construction of a technological line , even students, even schoolchildren, this means well, how did you once wash the potatoes with the students of the soviet union? lucky and that means it is not skilled work and also not skilled work of people who are schoolchildren, students are still collecting . that is why they can. let's see whether or not the power of russian industry is there . you can estimate the power of russian industry when we talk about the production of , for example, tanks that are being manufactured rockets of one of the winged daggers or calibers or caste 1 and so on, and shakeds and other uavs are one technological thing that can be produced by a really large number of women , and this is what mr. ivan produces, but recently there was a statement that the crimean bridge was attacked by modernized missiles from the 200 e-e, and also immediately against the background of our conversation with you about

the attacks of friendly forces on russia, the question arises : why do these friendly forces use drones? will not ask its allies , uh, what and when to attack russia, if we are talking about weapons of our own ukrainian production, we have absolutely no ability to develop or modernize old missiles or develop new ones that could strike as well as friendly ones forces drones by drones in the same way, for example, some friendly forces or the ukrainian armed forces with missile attacks in russia . well, let's mean a strike carried out on the territory of the occupied territory, or yes, precisely on the territory of the russian federation, post-war objects, for example, from where missiles are fired in ukraine. well, i i think that here i am not an expert in this field, but, well, most likely the problem is technological that there is nothing to shoot at, these are technological developments, inventions, if with drones the sbu has fixed, manufactured these

of drones there was such a know-how, they used a hydrocycle, well, conventionally, how many tricycles were used to ride in odesa or in turkey? well, this is what it looks like. it was equipped with explosives. the first versions were 300 kg, 400, now it is already 800, that is, there is a possibility with missiles. we have already heard this story about the astrish this drone that flew to the russian federation was shot down. perhaps we are limited in number. perhaps there are some constructive solutions that currently do not allow us to upgrade there and launch them over the territory. hmm, directly, as the sbu admitted that they operate these surface drones, they can generally change a certain situation in the black sea region. yes, we see these successful point attacks. however, as far as i understand , the problem is in the amount. allocate for this i understand three well, this is an artificial product, it is not what is there, the state of the machine on

the led, it rivets, blinks, rivets, it is artificially and petroleum development, yes, hand-made coffee here handmade drone and the question of goals where hitting it is not just sitting there, for example, a kid is sitting there, i see it like that. let's launch the valigur gornyak there. and why are they just like that, i think? well, there is a certain list of targets that can be hit. the russians also take measures to protect their ships there , two at a time three, they go and there for drones, for operators, the number one goal is set, if not, well, it doesn’t work, these number 2, number 3, number 4 are there in such a sequence and there they wait when, for example , they go out into the sea and there is the right moment, oh, now the fire, that is, they don’t just start yes because the probability of being shot down is very, very high. artem, can we hear your opinion about the most effective and most expedient way to use these surface drones, and then we will ask about what ukraine can surprise us with now in terms of the production of its

own drones, because i know that at least 100 other companies are currently working on this market , let's talk about surface drones first , i just wanted five of us, mr. oleksiy, we have five , and then we will definitely come to you one by one, if you please, one by one, mr. artem, i think that surface drones drones in their production are quite similar to unmanned aviation complexes, that is, to what flies in the same way that there is a communication system in the same way , the transmission of a video signal in the same way. and control , which must take place over long distances and, accordingly, turn some rudders there if there is something on the wings in an airplane, then here it is something rare for the body and so on, so the problems with

the production of these drones are basically eh well, i think they are quite similar to the problems with the production of unmanned aircraft eh and what does that mean do them well right in the unlimited quantity, well, it is quite difficult, because a lot of components for this all come from abroad, and a lot of them. well , they were simply not ready for such a large number of orders that would suddenly fall on them in connection with the war to the fact that the use of these drones, both surface and air, is more than the quantity that we can afford to produce , considering that a surface drone from a combat

unit is obviously worth hundreds of kilograms large sums of money, and it is obvious that to manufacture them in the quantity in which we manufacture large space-flight aircraft is most likely impossible, most likely for a smaller quantity , and the tactics of application should be exclusively for priority purposes. and this is what we see, in principle, from the ones that are open now that if they leave the launch point there and go to something for some task, then as a rule it is either a very serious boat there or a serious object like the crimean bridge and so on and so on and so on probably the goals that in the near future we will see in the performance of so-called surface festivals, mr. oleksiy, considering that

the decapitation of the ukrainian crimea awaits us and obviously the need for such surface drones will increase, correct me if i'm not right, should we think about it now that we should look for funding, maybe they are already looking for it so that the number of such surface drones increases in our arsenal. well, you know , these drones will rob our law enforcement industry. the fact that you need to find money for these drones well, it seems to me that this is not entirely true because it is not a fact that this drone costs a lot one of you is expensive, there are tens of thousands of dollars from the point of view of cost, for example, a missile that costs more than millions of dollars, and there are several missiles for 2-3 million and even more, such floating

drones, well, i think so, armor at 50, it costs like one rocket, a more economical version of ya i understand you, yes, this is a more economical option, but this is done not because we are trying to save money, but because it is an effective weapon , well, drones, what are drones? come on, this is our fleet, this is part of our navy, because it floats on water, so it is somehow in this way in another way to release to the navy secondly such a raft it is capable of sinking the entire black sea fleet of the russian federation not to cause harm to anyone to sink the entire black sea fund why because it is a torpedo by and large is it possible to accept it with the power, or is it possible to torpedo the enemy fleet? of course it is possible, if it goes to the bottom , then each other will be three less than 3 m. we do not take it to the weight of aircraft carriers, and it is possible to sink them, so these drones are not just something that is there a little bit. it can somehow harm and do some

unpleasant things there, it is uh, all the ships of the russian black sea fleet are in danger at the end, all of them are our fleet, a light unmanned fleet can sink the entire black sea fleet of the russian federation once again, so there is no need to take lightly how powerful a weapon this is, it’s extreme, let’s talk about it in more detail, literally a little later , mr. ivan, it’s just amazing that we repeatedly say what you say and the machines for the production of yes, uh, military uh, well, for the production of weapons in them they are foreign and they flaunt it, they show uh, they are assembling, as they said in the president’s office , in particular, the head andriy yarmak in drones and in russian weapons, there are foreign and there are dozens, almost dozens of these elements, well , a year and a half of the war. and how many more than 10 packages are there sanctions, it is still impossible to break these chains, but we will not be able to do

it in any case . dual purpose goods, i.e. what is used in civilian facilities and military facilities, for example, i don't know if there are any hydraulic pumps that can be used on a civilian aircraft on a military one - this is a dual purpose product and if it’s a simple thing, well, of course, everyday life, for example, yes, conditionally, these lego toys can be used in civilian life, right . and you can equip a bomb from there, yes. and it will be impressive elements. they are not prohibited for export, if they buy it, for example, the on-conzi company, well, before god, buy it, it’s not a russian company, but the company they sell to , they understand it perfectly. for example, if

the import to the army increased by 400 percent of goods there from the european union, then these companies perfectly understand that if they used to buy 10 billion million goods there for a year, then now it is 400 million . business well, okay, well, we will not go directly to russia, we understand where it goes , but they buy there are orders and they simply make money on it and there are such cases when there is demand there is an offer in the russian federation there is a demand for the purchase of such materials, they say in we have a budget. we want to buy it. if it was previously possible to buy it freely for a thousand dollars and it went for a week, for example, odesa 5 thousand dollars 5,000 and it goes there for a month , but it goes, that is, summing up so all we have to do is strengthen our air defense system and make our production of drones massive mass hundreds of units per month i hope we will talk about this in more detail next time and ivan stupak

military expert of the ukrainian institute of the future consultant of the committee of the supreme the national security and defense council joined us . thank you for visiting. let's continue. please , oleksiy. we conditionally say to sink the black sea fleet of the russian federation in the evening, there is something there, it is necessary . well, you know, you can simply mathematically calculate how many targets we need to destroy and for each target, taking into account the coefficient that can be destroyed well, let them be able to sink half of these drones, they do not deploy , that is, multiply the number of that target by two. well, it is better to have three in reserve. and this number of drones is needed only in order

to deal with chornomorsk. continue to produce it because it is and will be in the future everything is very powerful as a powerful weapon . by the way, many nato countries are studying this experience. well, there are no such uh-uh-floating drones that would work effectively in the world that's why we can say here that we have the palm palm of first place, that's why i think that in addition to the winners, we will also be exporters of this type of weaponry, in particular, we will be exporters of uavs of other weapons. we will definitely be exporters and will take in the world, because this is the number of drones that are already flying, unmanned aerial vehicles, this is what we produce , well, colleagues just said that it would be better if there were problems. no, it would be very bad if we produced hundreds, it would be necessary

to reduce our production by 10 times because now we we produce several thousand a month, which today can be done. thank you, mr. oleksii, for joining us. thank you for your expert opinion. oleksii hetman, a military observer, a participant in the russian-ukrainian war , a reserve major was with us. thank you. well, artem romanyukov remains with you - commander of the armed forces forces of ukraine, we will discuss how the enemy uses unmanned aerial vehicles in order to attack, and in particular , we see critical infrastructure in residential buildings in civilian rear areas in the cities, the enemy constantly uses drones, if we speak directly on the front line, what is the danger in general, how powerful is this power of the enemy and how much does he use it? here, on the first line of defense , it should be understood that those means that are used in peaceful territory and those means that