[000:00:00;00] military and any other than the same turkey, well, it is, so to speak, each country has its own interests, some are ready western countries, well, not some, but the majority is still ready in unison for the sake of certain common e common tasks, a common goal, common values ​​in the first place it's time to make concessions, even with your own, to step on the throat of your economy to a certain extent. that's because the economies were very closely connected with russia. and here , uh, well, redugan, he's a typical authoritarian leader, typical. of course, turkey is not russia.

but turkey and not germany and not sweden turkey is an electoral democracy with authoritarian let's say with authoritarian features there are indeed free elections, but at the same time a free press, the press is controlled by the government , the economy is controlled by the government, all processes except electoral ones are somehow controlled by the government and this is not e- it is the fact that thermometers are very pleasing to western countries , and turkey takes such a position in nato solely based on its huge military potential and turkey's involvement. turkey has been around since i remember 1955 it seems like a member of nato and well, turkey is very much integrated into the structures of nato, that's why we allow ourselves, that is, it's not even here, the arc itself allows itself such games, and it 's not just, it's not, it's not happening for the sake

of just for the sake of some er increase the authority of radogan himself in the region and so on, it's also money, it's trivially big money, and the turkish lira, together with the russian ruble, is one of the weakest currencies in this region. yes , inflation is huge there, despite all the successes that we constantly hear about, but we do not forget that all the information we have from turkey is government information, first of all, about successes, about the fact that they are the first there, that they are the first there , that they are already launching cosmo and so on, but when you look at the economic indices, i say that the situation is completely different. already successful how how how erdogan talks about it and he needs money and he earns a lot not bad from russia money is just russia ah i think at the moment putin is due to some reasons that we don't know but let's say this he will understand that he is the one on

the cows he wants to still still so that this he was milked, after all, by kissing somewhere, so to speak, and not just rudely , yes, well, you understand, i don’t want to say an obscene word . well, even more so considering the fact that rdagan handed over to the zelensky commander in azov, and obviously it was also such a public public slap to putin and putin is obviously also paying the same, one more short question and i hope for a short answer in the big 20, they are not waiting for ukraine on september 9-10 in noodles, why do you think the big twenty? well, the receiving

side does not want to see india ukraine well, no waiting and this is the position of the host side yes yes india is very brief india states this very often and we also need to understand the third world or shall we say the world that is not included in the combination the west russia and china they believe that the west pays too much attention to the problem that on against the background of the problems that bother them, it is considered too much of an exaggeration, there are many problems in the world, india simply says that in india there is a terrible problem in india , there will be terrible problems with food this year, and this one, well, considering that it is

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you are in a tv show what should we google turn on hundreds of channels in thousands of films and sports museum the territory of terror jewish goethe lviv was transformed by the soviet occupiers into a prison with which the path went to the shaft of the best example of the symbiosis of two totalitarian regimes not to be found, the nazis created this geth to destroy the jewish population of the cities. from this place there was only one way to the death camps , the bolsheviks used this experience to

send their prisoners, their enemies of the people , to the death camps in the villages, and even today

modern ukraine is attacking the regime that became the heir to both of these totalitarian dictatorships of both of these people's hateful practices . an air alert has been announced on the territory of ukraine, everyone is already there something else carpathian and rivne regions were not red, but now the whole territory of ukraine is red, so the enemy has raised its mig 31 fighter into the air and it is now a threat for our territory, i would like to remind you that these planes can carry cruise missiles and ballistic missiles that can land on the territory of our country for one or another purpose, so be as safe as possible or in shelter, or at least definitely do not be in places where people gather somewhere in the central areas of one or another city. that there is a danger and a threat , as we understand it, it is serious, as they say that preparations

for ukraine's independence day are probably starting in russia, and the enemy is starting to test our nerves, although he is not there does not learn anything new, obviously begins to test its e-e fighters are lining up targets on the territory of our state, therefore these days today 20 for today the 22nd and tomorrow 23:00 and 24 be careful, it is probably not necessary to walk in large crowds with flags in the central parts of any cities, uh, how do we understand this enemy, not only in terms of infrastructure, military or energy facilities , the enemy just aims at places where people gather. he just wants to kill ukrainians. today we will talk about such a topic bloody independence, what will ukraine be like after the war i understand that it is somewhat impossible , hmm, well, it sounds so naive now to talk after the war, we understand that the war will not be known when it will end , but in any case, if you fight, you must believe in victory

and what will be the period that we will call after the war , what will ukraine be like both psychologically and morally, socially. just live hoping that something will not happen we saw what it led to on february 24 of last year when we talked about the fact that there are no threats in particular and that our western partners are spreading panic and this alone is harming our economy that we have to prepare for barbecues and everything is more or less calm everything is normal under control, then the invasion happened and millions of people were not ready for it, they did not understand who our enemy is, they do not understand what is happening because of that, many people died, many people will be shot , tortured, and the enemy managed to achieve certain goals in the first period of the war on the territory of our country, therefore, threats should not be treated in the same way, we must now treat the future of our country, we must understand and what will happen after victory, because when it happens , when this war ends, a new reality will come, what will it be, we must

at least in certain features, to understand different scenarios of what will be bought. i invited valery, a baker, a teacher of the kyiv-mohyla academy, a public figure, a publicist, a writer, to a conversation, he is in touch with us. communication then let's talk more about this important topic. by the way, if we talk about august 24, it is clear that ukrainians are expecting enemy attacks, and it is not surprising that during any holidays , as we have seen, it happened on august 19, on the honey day of the enemy struck the central part of the city of chernigov, the drama theater was partially destroyed, seven people died, seven local residents were killed by an enemy missile, iskander, and the same kind of enemy can do the same on independence day. moreover, we know that on christmas and new year, well, actually, any holiday. is it a religious holiday? is it a calendar holiday? is it a state holiday? the enemy is trying to spoil our mood and cause maximum

panic and demotivate ukrainians by showing that the rockets are running out. how long will we be able to do it and how long will we be able to do it what is ukraine doing in response to enemy attacks ukraine continues to beat the enemy on its territory attacks enemy ports and not only in enemy-occupied crimea also in the city of novorossiysk, ukraine is attacking moscow. of course, there are no large-scale destructions of this big tower in the city of moscow, houses are not burning, but on a large scale, but in any case, these are still, you know, point strikes that achieve a certain goal and what goal was achieved to the ukrainian military and also to the security service of ukraine to other structures involved in this attack. i think that not all of these structures will be named now, at least , but we know that many of our specialists are working to ensure that drones fly from the territory

of the russian federation in moscow, this led to the fact that on august 24, they themselves were afraid of the employees of institutions that e-e are staying in moscow city and strongly advised on august 24 not to go to work in moscow on the day of ukraine's independence and to work remotely, this indicates that the enemy is also afraid to go very one such short example when russia actually withdrew from the grain agreement organization of poor nations turkey those countries which organizations that ensured the implementation of the grain agreement started to express concern deep concern nervousness prescriptions and protracted the president of turkey invited vladimir putin to him, is it true that he did not come to turkey to talk about the grain agreement that ukraine made ukraine began to hit russian ships both on the territory and in the black sea in the trivial waters of ukraine and in novorossiysk, this led to the fact that the first ukrainian dry cargo left the ukrainian port, passed through the black sea and reached the bosphorus, and russian ships did not

attack it, the only tactic that leads to that we can implement our plans is putin's beating putin 's beating unfortunately not everyone in the west understands this any agreements any a-a layering in front of this maniacal dictator does not lead to anything when you hit him back then he begins to act somehow more or less er , as they say, according to the situation and adequately of a missile attack, well, the threat of a missile attack on the territory of ukraine, we took up such a topic as a conversation what kind of bloody independence will ukraine be after the war ? will end and will end with faith in our victory, and people need to understand

approximately what will happen next, and such wise people as you , they should draw it exactly. money for the reconstruction of ukraine, and what will it really be: the human dimension, the social dimension, the psychological material choice and the infrastructural dimension, what should we expect ? in your opinion, in short, how many such scenarios are there, what can happen or what to expect after the war? thank you, mr. vasyl, for your kind words. a study of the future of e-e was conducted on the order of one of the structures of the european union, and in fact it was a study of scenarios of european- ukrainian european integration, but we understand that since european integration is the main the main direction of our post-war development, in one way or another, the restoration of ukraine is considered by the european union and, more broadly, by our international partners as part of the process of european integration, the scenario

of european integration and the scenario of the future of ukraine after the victory are, in principle , more or less the same. there was several scenarios have been found, you can consider it in different ways. for example, i will say five scenarios, one of which is very good and chic, and this is our dream. this is when we , after a victory, receive from our of international partners e reconstruction funds have begun reconstruction activity we have a lot of trust from international partners because we have established this process e transparent and accountable we clearly know what to do and for that we must adhere to the key principles e restoration i will talk about them a little later if there is an opportunity a and e then we are rebuilding ukraine, those who left are coming back , ukraine was so miserable, they like it , even if some people from other countries are coming, ukraine is getting human

capital for further economic growth we become a member of the european union. in short, it's in chocolate, it's one of the most desirable, most beautiful scenarios, and of course i want it to be exactly like that. there are two scenarios that are completely bad and they are very unlikely, so i won't even mention them. and the most interesting are the following two scenarios i would say twilight gray like that, they are not white and they are not black, they are somewhere in between in these scenarios, there is life, but this life is not the one that we dream of, one of these scenarios is when after the victory, we... we cannot establish the rule of law in this way we are losing our chances for european integration. because ukraine cannot be a member of the european union without the rule of law, and we remember that last year, out of the seven key demands of the european union, ukraine, with which we share the president, came to ukraine with such demands

of the first level, five out of seven were related to the top of the law in our country , so far this is problematic, the reform is going very slowly, one step forward, two steps back , two steps forward, one step back. reform it has little political support and the support of broad bodies of society, although everyone seems to want justice, but very few of the ukrainians in ukraine are concerned about the fate of the rule of law in ukraine, because everyone is busy surviving the war, surviving the war, and therefore in such a scenario we are denied this scenario. we called the dragons a dragon because ukraine is turning into such a little russia. we have enough supporters of authoritarianism. i don't i don't think that authority is possible on ukrainian territory, but we have too many supporters of an iron hand, and there are attempts to establish such

an iron hand. it can end badly for ukraine because it will be too much. many disagree, we know that any leanings towards authoritarianism have always ended badly in ukrainian history, and i don't mean the last 30 years of ukraine's restored independence, but i mean the whole of ukrainian history. kill vampires and become a vampire ago that the vampire managed to bite, this is a bad scenario, one way or another, ukraine defended itself in it, fought back from russia, but this is such a delicious victory, because it is essentially a gift of a posthumous fly to putin, and putin somehow does not really want to give posthumous victories and another scenario which uh was called inertial inertial because uh if there are no active social groups there is nothing to do then everything basically goes there uh it would be correct to call it uh and now

i uh risk air of ukrainian television to call him as his it would be correct to call it urban dot ua that is, it is such a european-integrated authoritarianism of a soft ukrainian type well, since it was uh, it was anyway, one way or another, it was a study related to the european union , they decided not to annoy the naming of the names of politicians eh and call it a kindergarten. i will now explain why it is like that. when ukraine becomes a member of the european union, it seems to receive all the advantages, but the quick and thoughtless imposition of european rules. very active reforming of the country leads to the fact that we lose small and medium-sized businesses. small and medium-sized businesses are our main strength, because they are the opposite of what will form the basis of the middle class, and the middle class is the only one

who needs democracy in ukraine, because neither we like it nor the oligarchs not needed, by the way, in addition to the demand for democracy, the middle class also creates a demand for good education and innovation, such important things, and european integration is not on our terms, which means that we are simply destroying this large area of ​​small and medium-sized businesses that is in ukraine has grown over the last er 30 years not thanks to but in spite of what is happening and then we become a country in which a small group of people receives all the money from the economy and distributes it little by little to the stuff er who in return vote for this group i.e. very similar it is very similar to hungary. let me remind you that in the book about the spin-dictatorship, which was recently published, hungary is classified as an expeditor, that is, a soft dictatorship, a dictatorship not of terror, not of fear like stalin or hitler, but such a soft dictatorship is distorted

by reality, similar to early putin or let's say to ugachalas, these are the scenarios. so, we have one very good scenario and let's work for it. valery. we will now take a short break. we have had an air-raid alarm, and then we will be able to go up to the studio in more comfortable conditions to continue the work. you while you drink tea or coffee literally in a few minutes we'll be in touch again and we'll continue our conversation in the worldview project be with us in a few minutes we'll continue there are discounts on exick 20% in pharmacies traveler to you and save pain can become an obstacle not with my knees for knee pain try dolgit cream dolgit cream relieves pain reduces swelling and improves

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to destroy the jewish population of the city from this place was one way to the death camps, the bolsheviks used this experience to send their prisoners, their enemies of the people , to the death camps in golovy, and today , modern ukraine is attacked by a regime that became the heir to both of these totalitarian dictatorships of both of these people of navysnytsia practices the way to august the way to the goal leads to the valleys vasyl air in winter two hours of air time two hours of your time two hours to learn about the war and how the world lives 2 hours to be

up to date with economic news and new sports, two hours in the company of favorite presenters, presenters who have become familiar to many, as well as distinguished guests of the studio, the events of the day in two hours , vasyl zima's big broadcast, a project for smart and caring people, in the evening, the tank driver's espresso was so bad that not a single orc could get dressed to our positions, he even received an order, and mine knocked out two enemy tanks and destroyed an entire warehouse of ammunition . and my dad served in air defense and shot down rockets . finally, i can tell about it. wow

, cool. luhansk region, kremin forests, these thick and the boundless thickets became the field of a hellish battle denisitiva is constantly moving from one side to the other, call the kocherga katator he serves in the mortar battery of the 67th brigade , a military unit better known to ukrainians as the right sector and this is his commander

of the jews plus we expect a weight shot in the movement of the infantry op mainly that's how we work or the equipment is leaving. well, our guys are a little more sporty there, they burp the jew with a battery at the control observation post, we go there. look, there is an unexploded tank shell, there is a lot of such good here in the forest you have to move not only carefully but also quickly, every minute there are explosions somewhere nearby, we ask from one position to another, you have to do it very quickly, constant shelling, the soldiers call this part of the front simply, vietnam does not tolerate mistakes here, every wrong step and every second of delay can be the last village