[000:00:00;00] in the end, we were feeding peas to the infantry, this is what we usually do, or the equipment leaves. well, our guys were a little calmer there, the battery of the jew reacts at the control observation point , we go there. look, the tank shell of such a good one is not broken. here in the forest , you have to move a lot, not only carefully, but also quickly every minute there are explosions somewhere nearby, we move from one position to another, we have to do it very quickly constant shelling soldiers call this part of the front simply vietnam does not tolerate mistakes here, every wrong step and every second of delay can become the last, my cap fell off. that's how

the arrival came and a fragment flew in. and the head was a little bit of a blast, it's a scratch. oh, and where was it a couple of meters? to live in germany after the full headquarters invasion, returned to the front when i was there, i missed those times a lot, as from the beginning of the war, i lack brotherhood, that’s all. in short, everything is much easier for me here in the control and observation points to operate opposite the circle, this is exactly the wolf, to disassemble and i give the command 120th, take a wide angle so that a little bit of the road can be seen, there may be a shortcoming, this is the moscow center of the advanced soldiers , they are adjusting the reconnaissance and the mortar battery

, the flight is 20 m from the enemy position, oh, i see i see, yes, we adjusted 120 mortars according to the plan of the target. and what kind of target is the enemy’s trench? the investigator or others can say, but the historian does not indicate. the historian admits that it is difficult to knock out the russians from luhansk region . the enemy is not as they are portrayed in the media - adds the soldier, they are military personnel. they are organized, they dig well, they work competently, they really work by the book, uh, they don't work with wagner's tactics, even when storming, but the tenacity of our soldiers succeeds in the end. the commander of the mortar battery

reports on the completed task, we all ended up signing another hellish day in luhansk vietnam behind us and these soldiers need your and our help in extremely difficult conditions, the soldiers' cars are constantly breaking down, and without them, our defenders do not have normal logistics, we announce collection a for the gun carriage for of our war horses that were wounded in battle for our cars and by joining you can bring our victory closer and the total amount of the collection is uah 80,000 so please go to the requisites we are closed full and help the armed forces of ukraine artem lagutenko oleksiy kutsuk from luhansk region for espresso tv channel we will return conversation i will remind what's up program world view my name

is vasyl zima and the topic of our conversation today is what kind of bloody independence will ukraine be after the war ode or the fresh statement of the secretary of the security and defense council oleksiy danilov, he said that ukraine will return crimea by military means, because there are no other options . well, i am also the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine, general budanov, announced the problems for the occupiers in crimea and said that the other day ukraine will continue to attack russia on its territory. by the way, regarding the destruction of enemy aircraft, in particular, 22m of which were destroyed in the nizhny novgorod region, the spokesman for gulmin vorona, andriy yusov, said that this was done by a group based in central russia, it entered the position and did its work and returned to where she came from. this once again confirms that there are groups operating on the territory of russia that destroy russian relay cabinets on the railways, blow up tracks, destroy russian bases with e-e sleepers and also

russian planes, it is important that either ours or those that are ready to work with by the ukrainian special services , valery pekar is in touch with us. this is once again confirmed or simply confirms that ukraine is not ready to share territories, understanding its capabilities and the situation at the front, ukraine is nevertheless convinced that it can liberate its territory and return to the borders of 1991, in fact , almost all the territories of ukraine are recognized by international law of the organization of of the united nations, we actually exist within these borders as a state and we have already been there for 32 years , we will exist and we will continue to exist, we will now hear a quote that president volodymyr zelenskyi said while he was abroad in the netherlands, to the question of journalists about whether ukraine is ready to make territorial concessions for the sake of ending

this war. i can be very clear that ukraine belongs to the ukrainians, and we have said this from the very beginning. to support you as long as it takes time , but the question is when you will be ready to sit down for negotiations, it is my decision to accept exclusively ukraine exchange of territory, ready to exchange belgrade for our member authorities well , in fact, the president answered clearly and danilov also said that we do not currently hope for any diplomatic negotiations in the immeasurable perspective of renting crimea for 80 years and actually leaving these problems that russia is creating in ukraine today or nothing will change, in fact we are ready to release everything

that we can release so the key question is ukraine now is it fought for territory or are the victims actually people? well, in any war people are sacrificed, why is it important and this is the position of certain politicians abroad that we should give part of ukraine to nato and the other part territory, let it be for the time being, but with some confusion about the status, there was such an idea that, er, to give the opportunity to those regions that are currently occupied by russia to decide in referendums . and the fact that russia seized crimea, in particular, to leave to russia er, how do you see the prospect of what ukraine will be able to achieve here the price is the most important thing, vasyl, i am not a military expert in any sense, but i am in the design aspect. well, maybe in the social aspect, to some extent, not in the military aspect , certain experts know how to fire. so, i would first take issue with your phrase that you a little earlier they said that someone in russia and something uh is making some kind of explosion

and there is someone working there uh and uh as you said correctly it could be ours and it could be our allies and here i would get involved for that i would say that now is such a very important moment when the verkhovna rada of ukraine is considering the resolution on the establishment of a temporary special commission of the verkhovna rada of ukraine to develop the state policy of ukraine in relation to the national movements of the enslaved heroes of russia , this is a very important moment, we essentially we are institutionalizing we are now institutionalizing the development of our state policy regarding what will happen in northern eurasia and we are introducing our interaction into a certain framework . as you know, the parliament has taken many steps in this direction, adopted many resolutions the systematic development of state policy regarding what and how ukraine would like to see e in

the north-eastern territories from itself is still a very important moment, i hope that the nearest plein air session of the parliament will create this e-e special commission which begins to work intensively and interact with our er allies and potential allies who are er on the territory of the russian federation. these are the enslaved peoples who have passed their way quite similar to the ukrainian path, it's just that ukraine was freed in 1991, they also wanted to be free , someone passed i did everything necessary for that, but i was so fired and it didn’t happen. it’s about the fact that there are all the myths about the monolithic nature of the russian people, about the fact that everyone is russified, about the fact that there is no one to talk to, about the fact that there is a weakness identity is weak, national summer, nobody wants freedom, these are all myths from lubyanka, the fsb, and these myths are very similar to what, as i remember well, they talked about ukraine and

ukrainians in the late 80s, the same story and now actually, about crimea, let me emphasize once again that i am not a military expert, but you don't need to be an expert to understand that while crimea remains in russian hands , ukraine is under endless threat . security in the black sea is under threat, and ukrainian exports are under threat. through the black sea and not only grain in essence. this is the only, as if the main gate to the world, the entire south of ukraine is barred, and it has not even found the south because crimea has not been transformed into a huge military base , one way or another, from crimea in russian hands , ukraine simply practically continues to be threatened. and as i remind our viewers so that victory is not when we sign some kind of agreement with putin or his successor. it is when the threat to the existence of ukraine disappears. this is actually victory, and

it will only be when important and serious the changes took place on the very current russian territory, and as for the referendum, of course, no one in the world recognizes the referendum that was held under automatic machines , and why, let's find out with our viewers why certain western politicians spread such they were born first, they are partly under the influence of russian propaganda, which says that uh, we must somehow save putin's face, we must somehow stop the war , because war is uh, uh, it can lead to the collapse of russia, the collapse of russia, this is very bad but the main reason is that our allies today do not have a picture of the post-war world, as we well understand. the war continues until the allies who win together, or the country that wins and its allies who help have a common agreed picture of the post-war

world do you remember that the second world war had such special forums for coordination, there was tigran-43, there was yalta 45, so otherwise , the picture of the world was agreed upon by the allies and it was implemented, and now the contours of the post-war world are just beginning emerging from the conferences that took place in saudi arabia, this is the first step towards creating such a picture of the world . in my opinion, the publication of documents that show such a picture from the point of view of the ukrainian state is very important - these are 10 points of president zelensky from on the part of ukrainian society, this is a more extensive and detailed document called the manifesto of sustainable peace, it is easy to find on the internet , the manifesto became a detailed explanation of what the world looks like after the war and how to combine the two

things justice and peace, which many politicians in the west consider to be incompatible, they say if you want peace forget about justice if you want justice forget about peace we do not agree with this because we know very well that unpunished evil returns and only then when justice is ensured and what does the justice of punishing war criminals, compensating for the damage caused to ukraine , returning e-e kidnapped children and so on and so on e only such justice is a prerequisite for sustainable peace concerns the picture of the future, and here i would like to emphasize once again that the interaction with those who, like us, seek freedom on russian territory is an important part of the transformation of those territories into the territory of peace, a nuclear-free zone and e territory where

countries and peoples do not threaten ukraine, but on the contrary cooperate with it and interact, trade and so on and so on p vasyl the question then arises and if certain politicians abroad say forget about justice if you want peace and forget about peace if you want justice then they should ask and what is the perspective of the world in which he neglected justice, well, there is no such perspective of the world, well, in the short-term perspective, there is, but it will be in a narrow perspective , because there will be other threats and the food crisis and the crisis of the territory and ecological problems, that is, it is clear that the world will face many challenges from the way different nations cooperate, different states means from the fact that the world will survive , someone has more resources, someone has less resources, how to share this, the war for resources, too, i i think one day it might happen, but it might not happen if the world learns to be fair, and even then it will be possible to somehow normalize everything, because in principle there is enough on earth for everyone to have enough, the only question is that someone wants to have everything and control everything , disregarding the will and wishes of the partners of that well, yes, please, your reply in this regard, i can only subscribe to every

word you say. we can say that a world in which the strong can violate the borders of the weak, a world in which the state can create empires simply destroying the neighboring territory and influencing internal political changes in different countries across borders, a world in which there is no truth, no justice, and no respect for the will of each individual people, this is a world that will end very quickly this world will end , perhaps with a nuclear war, perhaps with something worse fortunately, this will not happen because there is a critical mass of people in the world who do not want this and we see today that many countries that do not stand directly on the side of ukraine are not its direct allies but at the same time they refuse to be an ally of russia or to support russia in any way, despite the fact that there is a great tradition of cooperation there and the terrible power of russian propaganda in these countries

. unfortunately, ukraine does not have such an opportunity to oppose this propaganda, it is the same experience and the same money eh so we just have to explain the way you explain ukraine, which were once colonies, now they are free, that we are the same post-covenial country as they are and are now fighting for independence , just as we explain to europeans that we europeans like them are just now defending their independence, as they did tens and hundreds of years ago, gentlemen, you know, we are now moving on to literally 12 minutes, we have two topics left that we will have time to discuss, the economic prospects of ukraine and social well, or demographically, i even said so , of course, now ukraine is taking its territories back, the territory is being fought back, sacrificing and health between the lives of ukrainian soldiers , ordinary citizens, civilians who also suffer from enemy shelling, especially in the front areas

, we lose people because of it . in principle, here, well, well, somewhere between one and five. well, there are 7 at 5:35. they have 300,000 . well, about 1:4 somewhere. such losses are , again, for the version of the nirok times , the ukrainian military-political leadership does not announce the figures we who died in the war we remember at one time there was information from mino last year when the number was named, in my opinion then it was about 9,000 dead, but we understand that now this figure is not adequate to judge whether 70,000 is an adequate figure either, but i can't voice it what is in the international press and what is now in the world, before that the head of the european commission said, if i am not mistaken, that thousands of ukrainian soldiers died, but then she renounced these words and this topic was closed . what am i leading to? ukraine is losing people, losing a lot

many young people very many young people are losing their health in this war we understand that this is a big blow to the demography about the perspective on the birth rate and to many many other things it is possible now imperceptibly it is also a fact that a lot of young middle-aged people are dying now and it is traumatizing, a lot of people left ukraine according to various estimates, well, at least what the united nations organization gives , 6 million 200,000 ukrainians left ukraine, maybe more, maybe less, this is the ukrainian side gives 2 million, 700,000, i think that figure. well, somewhere in the middle, it is between 6 million and 2 million . we don’t know what will happen next, but there is this trouble. well, plus the destruction of the infrastructure somewhere, businesses are leaving or closing, there are certain problems now after the war. when will this happen? after the war. how do you think it will be possible to deal with the economic problems with the lack of workers? because this will be the destruction of the infrastructure of everything else. what will this ukraine be like after the war because it will be a different country

? these the problems are of course related, economic growth and recovery need workers, and where to get them, the first task is, of course, to return those people who left, and to create such conditions that the people who left will return to their families and not their smm members who cannot leave did not go abroad to join them because it will be an even greater loss here, you will not do anything with bans , i will say right away that any bans only bring us closer to er to er to knock down the scenario i have already mentioned dragon and become a dragon e the main thing here are the living conditions of the people. of course they want to return to a foreign land, today they answer the questions of sociologists mostly in the affirmative that they will return, but we understand that in fact, in order for them to return, it is necessary to create the conditions, and what are these conditions, first of all, of course, it is safe

the situation must end, active military operations , the second is, of course, the infrastructure, people struggle to understand where they are returning to, is there housing there, is there a school, kindergarten, hospital, and so on, and people who left with their children generally think no in calendar years with educational hands, and each academic year reduces the probability that the family will return a-a but the main factor that gives us the answer to almost all questions is economic freedom, as economic freedom is actually a comprehensive indicator that reflects the country's ability to offer its citizens a developed economy, high wages for productive work, the opportunity for honest work , and to create prosperity for yourself, to create a business , to develop it, and so on, and until the beginning of the great invasion of the state at the beginning of the 22nd ukraine ranked 130th in the world in terms of economic freedom. i repeat this number once again. 130th place means that there are no chances . it is good that the government understands this situation well and

is trying to fundamentally change it for us, but we will change the situation if we rise to 130th, 120th place is nothing will change, we will not be on the radars of investors, eh, who actually create jobs, this means that we need to radically change the situation , to double somewhere, or let's say to be at the end of the first half-century, eh, i will intervene so that immediately it is certain political this can be achieved by administrative decisions, it is political administrative decisions that can achieve this, first of all, the supremacy of the law, the successful completion of judicial reform and the reform of other law enforcement agencies, this is the complete separation of law enforcement agencies from e-e economic activity of the enterprise - this is what ukrainian business complains about e- the so-called law enforcement officers, calling them law enforcement officers is somehow tongue-in-cheek, this is a transparent anti-corruption tax reform and

a transparent anti-corruption customs reform in our country a terrible situation in both the tax office and the customs office, almost half of our ukrainian enterprises suffer from the blocking of tax invoices, for example, before manual control, we understand that these are huge bribery mechanisms, and the same ones exist at the customs office , this is deregulation, that is, the cancellation of hundreds and thousands of e -e limited even in soviet times , which were imposed as handcuffs on the development of business, that is actually such greatness and consists hmm our low economic freedom, we understand that we will not have eh due to high social costs after the war due to the necessity of eh restore the infrastructure due to the need for large amounts of money for the rehabilitation of veterans. and we will not have the opportunity to significantly reduce the role of the state budget, but this means that according to all other indicators, we must put economic freedom. just imagine such a switch as of economic freedom, which is simply set to the maximum in

terms of all the indicators that we can do , which means that it means finally stopping the corruption mechanisms, but not in the way that we chase after each individual corrupt person, but just knock the land out from under them eh make the system transparent eh under reporting and very simple eh tax code we make a huge net eh why you can kill a person and with a short very transparent document eh disperse the tax officials even more eh by making the tax system very simple, which when it is very easy to calculate everything with the help of a computer, to introduce the presumption of innocence, the innocence of the taxpayer before the state, because now we have just, by default, the tax payers are guilty and have to explain something you can actually do these steps to list uh, but this is well, of course, not a very television format, because there are quite a lot of them, i will only say that they are all known, they are all written in detail, and uh, for example, the union

of ukrainian entrepreneurs with a dozen leading economic and analytical centers is completing work on economic policies after the war of ukraine, which should radically change the situation in the economy. and this means, mr. vasyl, that this means the arrival of large investments in ukraine, because only investments are our salvation from poverty and the consequences of war just as investments were the main source of the recovery of western europe after the second world war and not at all the marshall plan, the marshall plan . investments, etc., in order to get on the radars of private investors, one must be a country with a judicial reform of the supreme law, one must be a country with economic freedom, i.e., with an anti-corruption transparent regulation the tax and customs system and so on from the list. i am now naming

only such things that can definitely be remembered by our viewers, the list is of course much larger . it is well-known , we just need to take it and do it. to those who were called bad, well, you know right away , our time is short, but we are like that. people who are called oligarchs, not least in form, as they want in the office of the president, in some in form, but in fact, they are oligarchs, but in fact, because there are many influential people who do not have access to political decisions, there are those who do , but because they have access to political decisions, they are not oligarchs because they are so to speak close to the authorities and do not touch them, but the point is not that we understand that these new decisions will build a new ukraine by a new government . the question is what kind of government will be formed

or will the elections be held anyway it is clear what will happen to the people from this government and the government from what it has done here, a big thank you, in fact, with all the pros and cons and volodymyr zelenskiy and his team, they do what they do, somewhere, somewhere they sin a little, somewhere, on the contrary, they are surprising, but actually , despite everything, the country continues to fight and, with the support of public soviet society, points out mistakes, sins, and somehow but i think that there will be power from the people and the people from the power, and therefore there will be a certain farewell. what will the new government be like? yesterday i told you that it was a very demonstrative attempt by one very many investors in ukraine, who included us in his magazine . well, what kind of investment is he? in the foreground was serhii prytula, a little further on, the president is there, there are still people, i'm sorry, there are still some people, we know other people, in principle, zazagal does not know, but somewhere in the third row from this

one, on the left, was general valeriy zuluzhnyi, it is the commander of the armed forces of ukraine it was very a demonstration picture when certain people already wanted to show who we are going to offer to you like those people who brought victory closer and society simply, as they say, went crazy and told everything it thinks, well society is active i understand what it thinks about this picture and about bringing it closer to victory and then the magazine changed its banner, there was a coat of arms and our soldiers in the background , this is very revealing that society will demand different things from the authorities or do you think that this is only an active part of society and others will be told later who nearer to victory and who to vote for, if possible briefly, please. i think that there is always an active minority that determines the direction of movement, and a stronger one only determines the speed of movement, and the most important thing is that this active minority now forms the right agenda for the country, with what words will they go to the elections, the next candidates for the presidency, and the people's deputies, with what

words will the next ministers and prime ministers go to the parliament, and to the newly elected parliament ? for me, the criteria will be whether this agenda of the court is correct or not . and there will be the following words : first, such a word will be obvious, it will be the only one for everyone; of the scenarios that i have already called how to kill a dragon to become a dragon, the third on this list will be economic freedom, which i already tried to talk about today, if there is no economic freedom , then we are moving to the scenario called orban.ua eh and eh, of course to me i would like to have the word democracy in this list. there is economic growth without democracy after the war, but not in ukraine and not in the 21st century, but let's say in south korea

in the 20th century in the industrial era, now the post industrial god when the most important person in the economy is a person who produces something very valuable with his creative creative work, and that is why democracy, which ensures a fairer distribution of economic benefits from economic recovery in this society, is an indispensable companion of of our economic growth. when these words will be on the agenda, yes, for such a president who will prove that he is for economic freedom and for the rule of law, yes, for democracy and security. thank you. take care, i wish you a good day. valery the baker was in the program. worldview is a public activist, publicist , writer, public figure and teacher of the kyiv-mohyla academy. we tried to talk anyway. we are now

let's create what will be after the war let's create something beautiful and great because for this today our soldiers are dying thank you i say goodbye to you until 18:10 next news meet iryna kovalin literally in a moment 14 o'clock in ukraine to your attention news broadcast on the espresso tv channel in the studio iryna koval greetings to all viewers, it is important to fully restore the export and transit of ukrainian grain, president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy said this during a meeting with the head of the european commission, arcela fonterlaine baffinach , the leaders arrived in the capital of greece in monday for an informal summit with the heads of the balkan states, von der leagin also noted that at the meeting with zelenskyi , they discussed the progress of ukraine on the way to joining

the eu, as well as the position on the future summit to