[000:00:00;00] uh, uh, for moldova and for georgia. well, i can't ask now. how realistic do you see the prospect of ukraine's membership in nato in the coming years? it's very difficult to say right now , because it seems to me to be a purely uh-huh question. with regard to membership in the european union, this is a more technical issue, that is, it will depend a lot on ukraine, how quickly it will make all these adaptations to european legislation, then i think it will also be related to joining nato. now

i'm telling him if even sweden has it there is such a problem to join nato, then i am afraid that it will be difficult for ukraine , and i do. the war drags on for years, we all want it, we all want it, especially here in the capital of ukraine, victories, quick victories, but we also have to prepare for pessimistic scenarios . do you think europe is ready to support ukraine for years, both on a political level and on a financial, military basis, etc. what are the main dangerous trends regarding the support of ukraine in europe? well, it actually seems to me that in europe there are fewer

risks regarding this support than in america. if trump returns to america, it will be very difficult. then, because trump has special relations with russia there, and this the biggest risk in europe, uh, i'm more optimistic, in fact, that this support will last as long as it takes, and well, it's politicians , they talk about it all the time there. of course, there is a risk that marille penn will become the president of uh, france but it can even be seen that this will lead us, unfortunately, we ended a very interesting conversation, in my opinion, due to problems with the sound. atreman, candidate of historical and political sciences , analyst of the stockholm center for the study of eastern europe, it is wonderful in ukrainian on the air of the national marathon. i hope that this is not

the last time that the european union has allocated ukraine another tranche in the amount of one and a half billion - one and a half billion euros of macro-financial assistance, the press service of the european commission informed about it, we are now adding oleg ostenko to the air, he is an adviser to the president oleg of ukraine on economic issues. congratulations to ukraine. congratulations to the heroes. glory to you. i don't know. did you hear the conversation ? at humoland, they talked about the prospects of further support by european countries to ukraine in this war , and one of the issues that, unfortunately, i did not have time to talk with him in we had a little communication problems there, i want to talk to you about this and regarding the freezing of russian assets in europe, this is a fact, many people talk about it, the amount exceeds even 100 billion, hundreds of billions of dollars, but regarding the transfer of this money

of these funds in ukraine for the recovery, ah, somehow this process, uh, doesn't start , why do you think? well, i would say that there are two groups of funds that you need to remember, here are the funds that uh, belong to the central bank of the russian federation which were arrested and frozen outside of russia, and there we are talking about more than 300 billion dollars and there are other funds - these are funds that belong to such a pseudo-elite russian e-e who despite what they proved to their population about how to live well in russia, the mothers themselves did not really believe in that that this life will last a long time and trying to reduce their own risks, they took these funds out of the country, and there we are talking about approximately 150 billion dollars, which are either already frozen, arrested, or those that are in the process of being tracked in the near

future will be are also arrested. that is, we can talk with you in total. well, let's say about the amount of about e 500 billion dollars, this is what the center of the bank and the eyes of the all -russian elite, which simply, in principle television telling all these pseudo-stories about how funds should be stored, where they should be invested, and so on , that is, when we talk to you from the other side about ukraine, our losses from this war, if we talk only about direct ones, are approximately 750 billion er dollars and if we talk about direct plus indirect losses, then this figure can reach more than one trillion dollars and of course it continues to increase day by day because

the russians continue to destroy our active, that is, this amount will continue to increase, no, not yours, i hope that now mr. oleg ustenko, adviser to the president of ukraine on economic issues, will appear . by calculations please continue direct direct collections they are increasing they are really more than one trillion dollars it is not difficult to calculate that when they have approximately 500 billion dollars of frozen assets and all the losses are one trillion, i.e. half of the amount to fully cover all these losses is simply not enough, not enough, where to get these funds, these funds will have to be taken from reparations, from the payments they will make for many years, if for ten years already after

the end of the war, but we are talking about and in what way, why freeze these funds, and another thing is to transfer these funds so that they can be used in ukraine, and here, when it comes to the funds of the bank center, the story is a little simpler here, because those funds are frozen, they are in if you want, even if it's not money, but real money, it's funds that are invested, let's say, securities that are in the so-called triple a papers, that is, with the highest credit rating, they are very easy to convert within a few minutes or, let's say, in half an hour into real funds and then it will be possible to transfer them to the needs of ukraine, and the other thing is about the funds that belong to the elite and this pseudo-elite, because they not only exported money, they exported this money , exchanged this money for yachts, exchanged these

money e-e for real estate for factories and so on. that is, there are also various types of assets that will have to be realized in order to receive live funds from them. and here we are talking about a general pile of funds, but divided into these two groups if we are talking about the funds of the central of the bank of the russian federation, there is enough of such an active discussion and even such a step-by-step plan is already being worked out regarding how and how directly these funds will be, exactly, exactly, exactly this money - this is the russian central bank, we are talking about you about russian central bank - this is more than 300 billion dollars, and then this part is the larger part. yes, and i would like to draw attention to the fact that when until march of this year there were statistics on the state of the gold and foreign currency reserves of the central bank

of the russian federation, they did not give it at all until march, at the beginning of the war, they they didn't give it, but after march they started publishing it again. so already after march , you could see that even now they are reporting that they have 55. well, about 550 billion gold in foreign exchange reserves, but they are not negotiating even their own population does not even have more than 550,300. that is, we are talking to you about the maximum that they do not have. this is about 200 billion dollars of gold-rich reserves and from that. by the way, one of the reasons for this nervousness, which is also in russian market regarding the exchange rate is that the central bank does not have this safety cushion

. they will not be able to adjust the exchange rate even if they really, really want to because they do not have the resources for this. this process of money transfer in the contrabank of the russian federation to ukraine will begin. this may have an additional negative economic impact on the russian federation . the gross domestic product, the debt, the budget, the budget deficit, this is also about the three of us and what you believe in and what you don't believe in, and if you imagine what will begin , the process will begin tomorrow, it will begin, and it is one hundred percent that it will begin but if tomorrow this process of capital movement begins, which has already been frozen in the world of russian funds, it begins on the territory of ukraine, this additionally simply undermines not just trust and not even confidence, but it gives such a powerful signal

on the domestic russian market about the fact that the situation is already completely out of control. and that the ship called the russian federation is going completely to the bottom. according to the example of those ships that have already gone to the bottom of the black sea, why didn't it happen? so why why hasn't the money been transferred yet? ukraine right now, when the russian ruble is falling. i'm also in favor of that and everyone in ukraine is in favor of transferring them as soon as possible, but there are, well, i wouldn't even say legal nuances, but there are such procedural things, and here are these procedural things regarding the transfer of these funds as soon as they were frozen , a very powerful team of lawyers and international lawyers and ukrainian lawyers started working

, and now, as i said , a step-by-step plan for the transfer of these funds is being developed, but also if you remember the last meeting there, which was in london and regarding the reconstruction of ukraine, on the first panel where ursula von der leyen spoke, she very clearly said in her speech that we are. the people's deputy initiated the creation of the commission of the committee on issues of the regulation of the e-e deputy and the organization of the work of the verkhovna rada. of the indigenous peoples of russia, there is a vote in the session hall, uh, this information is from his

facebook. and you can already see yaroslav yurchyshyn on our broadcast. will be able to bring the ukrainian victory closer and ensure its stability, because now there is a discussion in society about what to consider a victory , we believe that the exit at the border in 1991 is enough for the war to end and in fact this war is like that, but if we are actually met by the same russian federation at the borders of 1991, either under the leadership of putin or under the leadership of someone else , but with the same russian measures in ideology and with the desire for revenge, then, in fact, a truce

will be very short-lived, but as soon as the power of the aggressor country itself is restored, it will again force- it will want to attack, it will want to create problems, in the end it will create a problem immediately after the victory, so it is actually very important for us to help the small nations of them even though there is such a term, but it is not quite correct, or for example the same tatarstan, which has not yet signed a federal treaty, but which still has the possibility of a sovereign entity in its constitution, which is still headed by the president, and this is a unique situation in russia before the full-scale invasion in 2021 , the actual position of the president, in addition to putin 's, was canceled in russia, but we clearly

understand that if such entities receive more financial capacity, more autonomy, and in the final version, probably will declare their independence, they will be much more comfortable neighbors for us than the actual question is clear. and how will this commission now start working with these indigenous peoples of the russian federation , what to bet on, if we can say about it, it is now a secret that our bodies that are supposed to work with all sympathizers of ukraine on the territory of russia are very actively working with small nations , and this can be seen from the number of growth , including skirmishes with the use of weapons in

dagestan and nushetia, and from the number of fires in important objects in russia, so with regard to the parliamentary dimension, it is very important for us not only for ukraine to form the very vision of politics, how we interact - we interact, what is an enslaved people in russia, and what is the definition of its national movement? what organization can represent this national movement and to help form the same concept and the same policy to our partners in the west, because now it is clear that the united states or major european countries are as afraid of the disintegration of russia as they once were of the disintegration of the soviet union do you remember the fruit was shafkiyiv really for exactly 10 minutes and the process with mr. andreas in his youth just remembered the whole story and in order not to repeat it well if it is a very bad story

run on the rake so now the world is in a certain such illusion that if russia disintegrates and this the myth is greatly fueled by putin's propaganda , then chaos will begin, a struggle between subjects will begin, perhaps even with the use of nuclear weapons and what is most embarrassing, for example, for the united states, china will become very strong , in fact, if you look at the capabilities of even those autonomous formations that exist in russia are the same and giggling bunch that naturally and in the far east can balance the interests of china, but under the condition that it receives additional resources and opportunities will prevent the strengthening of china's influence in this region. therefore, it is very important for us to explain that more, well, in reality, the decentralization of the transformation

of russia into a federation is not in name, but in fact it is already a huge step forward. we will get a huge number of people who will really understand what democracy is, and not just a mass, which can be more liberal, but everything one imperialist and discussed it there for a very long time. and whose crimea has not been imprisoned until now, if there was no where else to go . that is, we get as a world a much deeper spread of democratic values, and again, if this is the goal of knowing, the question will stop it is completely understandable and i agree with this in many issues, the only thing is that it is very dangerous for representatives of these peoples to have contacts with ukraine right now

because it is persecuted by the russian federation. representatives who have already spoken out against moscow actually, so very often environmental activists, such as in the corelia region or actually buryat people who fought for the preservation of places that have religious significance for buryats, so they are now either in prison or abroad in at the same time, there really is a fairly extensive network, we do not know all of them, and thank god there are people who operate on the territory of russia itself, in kalmyk, bashkortostan, tatarstan, throughout the entire territory, that is why it is so dangerous, it is just as dangerous, and at times it is even scarier because it is in the middle of a supposedly peaceful life , but the representatives of the enslaved peoples understand very well that the war in ukraine, which was

unleashed by russia, is a huge opportunity for them, if they do not take advantage of it, it is not a fact that they will actually take advantage of it in the future, that is why a large number of them , for example, the heavyweights are looking for options on how to cross the borders to join the fight. the capital of this elista republic. if i'm not mistaken, they appointed the former deputy head of the dpr group as mayor and there were such serious riots, people were not at all happy that the so-called hero of novoross in quotation marks began to rule this nation.

it's an interesting path, so to speak, but let's not forget that in fact the same fighting buryats have become a meme in ukraine and there is a negative attitude towards many er peoples. it's because of their participation in the war against ukraine, isn't that well, i know that it is a moment that limits the activities of this commission, perhaps such criticism will be related to civil society in our country . how will you fight against it? and remarks, and now we can already hear that we have to deal with our independence. where else are we going to get there in russia and the like. but this is more likely from ignorance , that is, an understanding that if there was a self-governing buryatia, which would have the opportunity to tell moscow, we do not know your war

we support, we are not ready to send our sons to fight in ukraine actually, then we probably have fighting buryats, there probably wouldn’t be, and the fact that russia is actually disposing of the most active part of the population in ukraine, and if you look at the number of dead , especially at the beginning of the war, such statistics were active later, russia tried to actively hide this information , but the most losses, for example, were caused by such republics as yes, and we understand that from poverty, from isolation from russian propaganda from pravda, those young people who would could develop their republics, so they are now dying in ukraine, actually becoming a tool of imperial policy , this once again shows how important the commission is so that those who now offer an alternative way do not go and return in sacks in their country, in their republic, i build republics, tear them

down mobilization to help ukraine, that they had arguments, see even in the ukrainian parliament, a whole commission has already been created, and that will work out how to help us, we are recognized at the international level. and here is a very good example when we recognized as the verkhovna rada and 4 occupied territories, the representatives of the chechen people addressed the fact that they are in the city of dzhokhar, which is grozny in russian, and called the central square the maidan of the verkhovna rada. work of the commission of the verkhovna rada interacts with national movements well, for now it is called the small indigenous peoples of russia, it was yaroslav yurchyshyn , a people's deputy from the voice faction, and while we

are moving on, i want to remind you that the russian the federation continues to fire at ukraine, now there is a danger of rockets in the regions marked in red, in particular zaporizhzhia, donetsk oblast well, this is the traditional luhansk oblast, the republic of crimea, do not neglect the safety rules take care of yourself go to the shelters and take care of your loved ones, we are moving on 73% of the surveyed ukrainians associate russia with backwardness and regression, instead, the european union with progress and development is estimated by 84% of respondents, this is the data of a sociological study on the identity of ukrainians, conducted by the razumkov center, the results of which were published the day before and the poll itself took place in may , 2020 respondents aged 18 and over were surveyed from all controlled regions of ukraine

, the polling error does not exceed 2.3%. more details about who ukrainians associate themselves with, let's see, sociologists have raised the issue of so-called brotherly nations, now almost 44% of surveyed ukrainians believe that they have never been with russian brotherly nations, while in 2017, only 16% of respondents thought so , the number of those who still consider themselves and russians so-called brothers are less than 4% of respondents, in contrast to the results of 2017 at that time, more than 27% of ukrainians thought so, and regarding the issue of culture, almost 81% of respondents this year identify themselves with the ukrainian cultural tradition, this is 25% more than in 2006, from almost seven percent to over ten percent, and the share of those who attribute themselves to the pan-european cultural tradition has also increased now only half a percent of respondents consider themselves to be russian, while

in 2006 there were more than 11, on the contrary, more ukrainians now feel like europeans , this number compared to 2005 has increased from 36% to 51% of respondents, it is interesting who ani considered herself europeans of ukrainians in 2005. now it’s somehow difficult to imagine. well, let’s not be alone with the audience, let’s talk about this with the listeners. let’s add natalya kryvda to this conversation. she is a doctor of philosophy, a professor of the department of ukrainian philosophy and culture of taras shevchenko kyiv national university i remember. i congratulate you. thank you for joining our marathon even though it was so late in the evening .

the war with the russian federation is therefore the main reason, the war with the russian federation became an explosive factor , of course it dramatically accelerated our understanding of ourselves and our identity, but it is such a process that goes on and the seam of the idea will go, and it is believed that there are several strategies for the formation of national identity the creation of a single image on the theme of joint holidays, rituals, such external symbols that mark our belonging is a very powerful strategy for the formation of national identity is also the formation of a unified civil culture, but loyalty to the state, loyalty to state institutions, participation in those practices in social and cultural practices that are characteristic of this nation , but we can stop a little . look, you are talking about loyalty to the state, and i remember how our e-

the day before, ukrainians rebelled, many rebelled during the 21st century, and now it’s the other way around because of the war. i understand that loyalty has increased significantly , sociological surveys testify to this. but isn’t this such a temporary situation, that is, how much changes that sociology very well shows how long-term they are, interesting and important . because we are dealing with a national state for the first time, a state that stands on the side of national interests. there was no statehood in spite of the fact that the cultural tradition of identity, cultural national cultural tradition is very powerful, and

now we have a state with you, which both theoretically and practically should protect our interests simply today this abstract term national state is unfortunately filled with blood under the loss of a very serious rethinking is filled with real meaning for the first time the state, the army and the church, language and culture acquire a real national meaning in this question, after all, i want to return to the tool again you are of a dimension , that is, all logical studies are enough as far as they reflect reality, because it seems that, well, again, it seems to me that people respond emotionally, they a-a in- they make certain answers and decisions under the influence of circumstances. but what is going to continue in 25 years, in 50 years ? what do you think that the ukrainian nation

is being born right now? do you agree with this or not?