[000:00:00;00] russian journalists reported his capture in june of last year in the area of ​​zolote and girske settlements in the luhansk oblast, as it is currently occupied, and his relatives did not know where he was at first, and then saw only the footage of the interrogations published by the occupying authorities and security forces of the luhansk oblast , journalists of the russian publication media zone who were at the meeting reported that employees of the consulates of germany, great britain and france, as well as human rights defenders of the memorial ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, came to the courtroom to support butkevich condemned this process and called it illegal and worthless the decision that was made. the so-called themis called on the international community to condemn the trial of maksym butkevich and the other two citizens and demand their release . our colleagues from the svoboda life project talked to maksym's father oleksandr butkevich. video of the court for the first time in a long time and says that by the appearance of the lawyers and released political prisoners, he is trying to understand in

what condition maksym is now, let's listen a fragment of this interview, the father puts his hope in the ukrainian structures. what is the exchange process of the luhansk pre-trial detention center and how does the lawyer report the cells from which they are not taken even for a short walk there for a few minutes, this is the entire time i am in the cells , and if they are transferred from the cell to me, they are usually in handcuffs this stay in the pretrial detention center and you understand more than a year 14 months in fact he has been in the pretrial detention center under these conditions well, i can see from the outside from those photos that it is obvious when what conditions what um confessions i see two guys who they beat out of them with a confession that i see that he doesn't have one tooth, now you understand the pressure, the pressure is physical, moral, psychological, now you don't need a lot because it's enough to make

one injection and deal with a person that the law of the russians was very, very much, well, from their understanding of the vision of the situation there are many and i understand that there are many reasons for him to be somehow repaid for all that he is against their efforts , that is, he saved many from the special services, e.e. , in which people were persecuted , there could be many questions for him, but that's all it's simple, i consider it retribution because from the first days after his capture, we were then transferred all the materials in the russian public to the video in this media, a lot of information was not heard, such hysteria was rampant that they captured the commander of the punitive squad there, a british spy and other nonsense, eh

, you understand well, a lot of such things, so i understand that of course they wrote that we have caught a big catch , do you understand about maksym butkevich's affairs, the conditions under which he is in and the prospects for exchange , let's talk further maksym kamenya is a journalist of the publication grate joins our broadcast i congratulate you hello let's first let's focus on what you advise to call this process or we were in this context and correctly called it fake justice, this is pseudo justice, this is a pseudo-process, so what are the best descriptions to use in this situation, all these words that you mentioned are correct, we it's just that it's not about the wording. and it's about what it is. you understand, i'll explain such a thing to you . maksym is accused of

firing a grenade launcher at the entrance of a residential building, but here we are when were cooking the publication about this particular case is in quotation marks, after talking literally with maksym's friends , we found out that he was not at lysichansky that day at all. that is, it tells us about the level of that, uh, i don't know what kind of justice this is. it's completely fake. that is, it was necessary . to make such a demonstrative trial is demonstrative in the sense that a person is a human rights defender who devoted his whole life to the fact that he fought for human rights and was accused of

violating human rights. well, how do they justify their decisions in general this first one to the appellate court of general rescission in moscow, because there they did not overturn the decision of the so-called court of the lpr. well, except that they allowed to count the term that maksym was imprisoned until the main so-called sentence was handed down, and look again, so far we have not seen the text itself, and we we know from what the lawyer told us, now my colleague, anton mamluk, is dealing with this issue. with colleagues recently said that you understand how to cover these so-called cases in russia in russia on the occupied territories against our prisoners of war. that is, they

are accused of absolutely some kind of game and we have to then recount this and discuss what - or what were they accused of, and the person who hears and reads or looks at this publication will think maybe it's true, that is, the main thing here is to explain that it's all uh-uh absolutely nonsense maksym butkevich should be released because he is uh-uh a combatant uh-uh his if his there they tried him for something they have uh-uh-uh why should they give him the status of a combatant and not say that he had a visa ? the fact that he fought meant that he committed a crime. what else will they leave on the territory of the occupied

luhansk region, as far as we know, he is there now, he was not brought to court in the russian federation, he is still in the occupied part of the luhansk region, and so far he is there, that's probably all that you can say. and as for the conditions, is there anything known? we listened to a fragment from the father, he says that from his appearance he can conclude that there is not one tooth . for example, do you know about the conditions in which he was? is it possible that i could at least call someone i have to send letters to him through the so-called occupying power or something , well, in this direction, so far the communication with him is very sporadic through a lawyer by appointment ... well, actually, i don't really know if it's possible well, probably so now after the appeal we can i don't want to talk, just to understand such a thing, because god will hurt maxim

, but i think. well, i don't know if it's possible to talk about such details. let's say that, as far as i know, he once contacted his family and journalists and his acquaintances there there were almost no contacts, and let's be sure that we don't miss it. how do you miss maksym's public activity? it could, um , somehow influence the attitude towards him today, the occupying authorities, then interest. i am convinced that it is his public activity moreover, again, look, they confused him because when you were in front of me, you included maxim's father, and he said that it was a big fish, but he told him at the beginning that when he was only captured, he was prescribed a phrase about otsya, that in donbas one and a half

millions of unnecessary people, but it wasn't him who said the phrase. but uh, another butkevich , who was then the host of one of the ukrainian tv channels, that is, they didn't even particularly check anything there, but they understood that it was number one, and then again there was a big dilemma between because i, well, we we thought about how to behave because on the one hand you are a publicity stunt and demanding that he be released as soon as possible, it was necessary, of course, but on the other hand , there was silence about this for several months because i remember that they said that no harm maxim that any other calls for his support can harm him, but yes , yes, the fact that he was a human rights defender, the fact that he was a journalist , the fact that he was a well-known media person

who advocated for human rights for many, many years of man and uh and fought for human rights in ukraine and not only this played its role , i convinced well, and the most important question in conclusion, we know about the support of diplomatic international institutions, which diplomats, consuls, ambassadors came to the court so -called to support maxim, what are the chances that to somehow influence the exchange process is to carry him on the list for exchange or in general for his release both by the ukrainian side and the international community how high are these chances as of today how do you evaluate them i really want maksym butkevich returned to ukraine like all ukrainian prisoners of war, it is difficult to say anything here because we are dealing with completely inadequate people and how can we predict whether the russian federation will want to release maxim and the rest of the ukrainian prisoners of war - it is obvious that

the ukrainian side, ukrainian human rights defenders , diplomats, the international community er, they do er, er, everything in order for maxim to be released, but it depends on the other side , which has not yet released him. i hoped that after he receives the sentence, what is possible he will then be exchanged for one of the russian prisoners who received a sentence, but we remember that before the full-scale invasion, there were just such stories when they were exchanged after the verdict, but so far there is no such information about his possible exchange, there is no manager thank you to you for this activation maksym kameniv, journalist of the publication grati, as a guest of the broadcast svoboda ranok, we talked about the so-called trial of the human rights defender , journalist and military personnel maksym butkevych today in ukraine is celebrating

the day of the national flag now many people who were forced to leave their home and dream of seeing the flag again on the streets of their city, leaving for several months as occupied mariupol through the only possible route through russia at that time liliya, the heroine of the following plot, took with her only the most important family, a little clothes and the ukrainian flag , lily's husband saved it from the streets of the city already after the occupiers tore down the flag and threw it on the road. in order to get the flag out, liliya hid it in children's things and took a great risk , because she could be arrested for ukrainian symbols and on the occupied territories in russia now she carries it with her, and her son says that we smell like a flag, let's see this story from the project , you can find the full version of this interview on the social networks of the project kipyanok, i have a little one, he started to get indignant , started to cry and scream, what

are they doing, mom? to our flag, it was lying in the middle of the road. tanks and cars really drove by it, but unfortunately we couldn't do anything . probably no one will understand when you say that we smell, but for us mariupol people who have experienced it, it's a special smell. now it smells like soot and fire, even a child told me when my mother got it, it smells like home, our mariupol ukrainian flag, it hung in our house, our mariupol ukrainian flag , it hung on the road on the trolleybus wires for a pedestrian crossing, and it was fun there for a very long time, fun even after the ninth weigh-in. it hung there for a very long time after the ninth in may, russian demiriv flags were already hanging everywhere . one day we cross the road and he is not there. we look and this flag is lying on the road, all tangled in the stiff wires on

which it hung near this flag. we walked three days and once my husband grabbed the clippers and as soon as the cars left and no one was there, he flies up to this flag and eats a quick snack. this wire hides under his clothes and runs away, and i took it at the very last moment . before leaving in the morning, i first hid it in children's tights in children's things, rolled up sweaters, hid a few things in my hand in the children's jacket and put them at the very bottom . i didn't tell anyone. i was lucky that when the bags were opened at customs, it was in the children's suitcase . they only looked at us from the mountain and already when we arrived to ours friends germany i said i want to do something i went i found this flag the man was in shock he called me all the words he could that i was a stranger did you understand

at all what you were doing i say yes i understood when my child saw this flag you can't even imagine happiness there was probably more than him. everyone calls him a little patriot. when we were still in mariupol, they said to him, son, we are asking you very much, please be quiet, and he shouted everywhere, put away your rags. you have such ugly flags, and where are we going? don't go, they said, please, vitalik, shut up. and he, why should i be silent and he really wants to return home? and i had it, he says, i'm going to my new ukraine. he says that i had ukraine, but it was broken by the rashists. that's why i'm going to a new country in vinnytsia, but he says i still want to go home, the full version of this

interview is there, it can be viewed on the social networks of the project, you should definitely do it, well, without putin's presence, but with sisinpin, who intercepts the initiative in south africa , the brics itself began, the russian president putin personally did not go to this meeting. russian foreign minister sergei lavrov became a guest of the summit instead. the reason for putin's non-arrival is his possible arrest under the warrant of the international criminal court . officially, the kremlin did not say this, but south africa, which is hosting the summit, officially committed to obliged to carry out this order if the russian president visited the territory of the country, the leaders of brazil, india, china and the south african republic, as well as sergey lavrov, met for the first time since the beginning the coronavirus pandemic and this time, according to finanshall time analysts, it is china that intends to call for a year to become a full -fledged rival j7 for this, other countries are agitating to join, 23 countries have already officially applied for membership, among them the united arab

emirates, iran, saudi arabia and other anonymous chinese officials tells the finanshall times newspaper that the plans of the summit participants to expand the brics format in such a way that it would attract such a share of world gdp as the g7 countries then they say that their collective voice in world affairs will become more important , the russian president did address the participants of the summit via video link, his recorded address was shown to the participants . broadcast at the summit was for some reason with a changed voice, they write changes. why this happened in the kremlin was never explained, although on the website of the russian president this recording

was published with the usual voice of volodymyr i will remind putin that the current leaders of the brics group of countries are brazil, russia, india, china and south africa. the union of these states was created with the aim of reforming international financial institutions such as the imf or the world bank , and attracting representatives of countries with developing economies. the moment of the final formation of brics is 2010, when south africa joined the alliance, these are countries with an average income level whose economy then developed rapidly and which can become the leading economies of the world by 2050. at the same time, the united states does not see brik as a rival to the alliance the g7 countries, because ukraine , brics, have disagreements regarding the issues related to the pacific region and the war in ukraine. such a statement was made by the assistant to the president of the united states for national security jake sullivan, we do not consider brics as something that can develop into some geopolitical rival of the united states or something like that this is a very diverse group of countries in its current

form, brazil, india , the republic of south africa are democratic states, and russia and china are autocracies. well, we will talk about this topic further on our broadcast in more detail to the conversation is joined by the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 14-19, pavlo klimkin. good morning to all of you. i greet you. i am watching. good morning. thank you for joining specifically about bricks - journalists from the kremlin pool write that at the business forum the address of the president of russia was dubbed in russian but in a different voice. why this happened is still unknown. in general what did you hear in this other voice, or is it just possible some kind of information bubble that is now inflating? well, maybe putin is no longer able to speak with one voice, or they have artificial intelligence there, but if it is serious the most interesting thing about the bricks business forum is that everyone there decided not to speak, everyone spoke, well, putin was connected online. asi decided that

for him to speak in front of it is business itself. maybe even a financial component that's how china would really like to do with bx er something that wants indirect could be seen as a counterbalance er big family of course not as a rival you just quoted jake sullivan on er bricks is such spider banks eh spiders as a result of course you can agree on something, but it works only at a fairly short distance. well, there is talk about joining other countries there. 22 or even 23 applications

are now already, if they really all combine, it will be half of the population of our planet and almost half of the economic potential, but for what then this association, well, you can always figure it out . of course, you can, but the goal was not completely understood then. i know that indians and brazilians and czechs, even south africa is very careful, if not to say, quazi has a negative attitude towards in the future, they are trying to play with the criteria, conditional. and what should happen in order for this or that country to join bmx , but the decisions are always purely political, so playing with the criteria also looks like something important as far as putin is concerned. of course, this order of the international criminal court did not allow him

to go to south africa. i think that this is not the only reason, in fact. if he really wanted to. i think that in south africa his prince was arrested. we have to say it honestly, but we ourselves. then russia, africa, he, uh, collapsed, it was uh, a total element. failures there once forty african leaders traveled in the 19th year now 17 and now the whole of africa is sitting on this very thing there is an opportunity to talk directly and this indicates that in fact russia is not only on its wave but they want them on this waves and leave so that the element i would not say isolation is probably the wrong word, but the element of a certain rejection of russia exists not only in the west, but i see it also

in the non-west, although this does not mean that the chinese will not use russia for their own purposes and this they will do consistently and cynically, mr. pavlo, if we do stop at the expanded brics, if they join . well, if not 20 countries that have submitted an application there , conditionally, 10-15, how much then , for sure, as experts say, china would like to see it , it can become a so-called an anti-western platform. that is, you yourself spoke about the fact that it was a huge amount of the world's population , if you take how much it can become an anti-western platform, even if now beijing is dissatisfied with what is happening, but looking for external threats is such a natural story for any autocrats of dictatorships that no less, the west today is very different, there are former empires like russia , there are former colonies, there are countries

that are developing, there are countries that are declining , democracy although we have already talked about conditional autocracies, that is, it is a very different reality that unites them in common values ​​100% no common interests some there are common interests they have interests they actually change then it will be a platform about that and how to talk to each other is it beneficial for china to have such a platform as of today probably yes but that does not mean that someone will not start negotiate against china tomorrow or the day after tomorrow and the chinese will need to repel it, so i see a very complex, very non-linear process, the expansion of bx is possible, and in my opinion , if they start to expand it, it will lead to the fact that sooner or later they

will become uninteresting under the boltology platform if it doesn't kill today's bx reality at all, it used to be big non-western players. then they joined south africa, which is not big, but if it is dissolved by china, then in fact and how to look at china as india between china and indium, fundamental contradictions of images, this is the agenda in general, i actually see the most critical issue for ukraine. and how will they deal with double-calculations, unfortunately, and not in euros and not even in yuan, what will they create for this, or will they consistently work here for the short term, i am here i don't see any fundamental threats, but even the discussion about what will happen to

the seized russian assets, i mean the assets of the russian central bank. well , first of all, it will actually depend on discussions about the dominant role of western currencies and here, in fact , everything that is most interesting for ukraine and everything that will be resolved or not resolved at this summit, including another issue that i would also like to discuss with you, the turkish media write about that erdoğan plans to visit russia on his own to meet with vladimir putin to discuss the grain agreement, at first it was expected that the meeting would take place in arikara hmm how did it happen and what can this indicate because turkey also did not ratify the rome statute and in fact the trip putin there did not necessarily mean arrest for him, but do you remember how they used to say and now they probably say that if the border goes to mohammed, then

mohammed receives in her direction, that is, for putin, the visitor dan is actually more important than his visit to turkey, it is very important for him to visit him someone came, well, after the african countries, which actually hardly inspire the russian elites and the international community , ah, he is still a serious player, putin really wants to accept him, everyone knows where sochi, moscow, peter is, let them be there themselves they decide. i think he doesn't mind going. he's trying to play a game. and i'm determining exactly what is for me at the moment. and under such conditions , it's more optimal. it's a difficult game . shipping and security in the black sea and the stakes here

are actually increasing, so i think that the conversation between the danes and putin will not be easy, they will demonstrate an understanding that they can reach conceptual agreements in their own way , but history, the history of their communication will be everything it's more difficult, they have too different interests and too different mentality, but they will continue to communicate, sir , sir, there are still a few seconds left until the end of the broadcast. that yordagan is more necessary if he goes to putin how does this elevate putin in the eyes of the international community where his isolation has already begun in view of the full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine but this is our view and this is the western view, agree from the point of view of yordagan

very much wants to be a unique intermediary between the events of putin, this visit, on the contrary, looks like a plus, that is, our point of view and our cube of vision here does not coincide with the turkish one, we also have to understand this. it is clear. i thank you for finding the opportunity and often leave to join our broadcast pavlo klimkin minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in the years 14-19 we talked about the topic this year is where china , brazil, india and russia are involved, but where vladimir putin personally did not go , the minister of foreign affairs of russia went instead federations is a freedom morning project, traditionally at this threshold we talk with you about the most important things. thank you to the viewers of the espresso channel. thank you to the viewers of radio svoboda youtube. subscribe to radio svoboda youtube. on which radio svoboda a-a is presented tomorrow on the independence day of ukraine, also at 9:00 exactly turn on the youtube channel of radio svoboda and we will

see with you on the air take care of yourself 546 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian invaders in veteri news on espresso in the studio of anzhelika sezonenko, six people were injured in the morning, the russians dropped two guided aerial bombs on kherson, a 22-year-old man was taken to a medical facility, and others were helped by doctors on the spot , a kindergarten caught fire in the ship district , the fire was extinguished by emergency personnel, the destroyed residential buildings were also reported to the regional military administration last day , one person was killed in an enemy attack on the region , five others were wounded, the enemy shelled