[000:00:00;00] we will stay with you espresso because literally in a few moments the verdict and serhii rudenko will be watching good evening we are from ukraine welcome to the program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko i wish everyone good health and i hope that there will be a good broadcast today despite the fact that we do not have e -e caps, as with which the program usually opens , today we do not have an announcement in the program, but today we will talk about the cotton crimea of ​​the non-resident putin, the peace talks that billionaire oleg

deripaska dreams of, we will also talk about how the crimean platform with our guests, roman bezsmertnyi and volodymyr yelchenko took place. but first, let's see how today the ukrainian army destroyed the s400 complex in crimea. we will show it. therefore, i apologize, dear viewers , we have force majeure on the air. the army destroyed the s400 in the crimea . well, the night drone attacks on moscow are becoming a good permanent tradition, so the last night was no exception, and in the brain of the network , the drones flew without the pilots. more information has just appeared that the confirmation crashed

the plane belongs to the parishioner, the founder and owner of the private military company wagner, as the russian mass media write, there were seven people on board the business jet, although they write that 10 people with the data of the channel this plane belongs to yevgeny prigozhin and was prigozhin on board this plane, nothing about it is not known, but in ukrainian social networks there are a lot of jokes about the fact that the tver air defense forces have finally started shooting down their own planes , but we are waiting for information about whether there was a handsome man there, and one of the users on social networks wrote well, you see, it was not necessary to go to any negotiations with vladimir putin because it would lead to because it would lead to an air disaster in addition to that , i am already being told that we can show crimea and

how the ukrainian army destroyed the s-400 in crimea . and already the night drone attacks on moscow, about which i have already told, now let's see on the air, guys, i had a strong explosion . i'm in shock, right here, right here, right here, here, somewhere , my skin hurts. what a horror , once again, at least one drone will explode somewhere

here. moscow, understand, i will take it upon myself automatic machine and i will go to the front. you understand. this is the night and the morning was in moscow for those who are now friends watching us on youtube. please take part in our survey. today we ask about the following: what language do you communicate at home ukrainian ukrainian russian or russian another option write any please in the comments at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote and we are in touch roman bezsmertny politician diplomat extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in the republic of belarus 2010-2011 sir novels i congratulate you on the day of the national flag and i am glad to see you on our air thank you i also have viewers i congratulate you on this holiday i am glad to see you i am glad to work with you let's start our conversation with the explosions in the occupied crimea that sounded on the morning

of august 23 at cape tarkhankun kut there the military destroyed the russian anti-aircraft missile system of the great medium ranged s-400 triumf and as reported by the press service of the main intelligence directorate of the ministry of defense, as a result of the explosion, the self-installation was completely destroyed , the missiles and personnel installed on it and as they say in budanov's department, taking into account the limited number of such systems in the enemy's arms, this is a painful blow to the air defense system of the russians, which will have a serious impact on the development of events on the peninsula, well, that's how i understand it, the current attack on the s400 was a prologue to today's third crimean platform because it is clear that today there was a lot of talk about crimea, about the de-occupation of crimea, about what this de-occupation should take place, what did president

zelensky say about the crimean platform today, let's listen to what the main task is crimean platform to prepare deoccupation, we understand how we will return to crimea , we understand how many steps we all need to take, we understand how difficult it is, such an important task, but we see this path in the year that has passed since the previous meeting on our crimean platform, ukrainian soldiers have done extraordinary things. glory to ukraine, mr. romana , is it clear now, already during the third crimean platform, that the only way to de-occupy crimea can only be military, first of all

, i agree with you that the appropriate strike on the systems on the s400 system and announced by the head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of intelligence, kyryll sryshon, in this case, the corresponding a-a strikes on crimea and today's statements are related things, and which were actually stated in a short text that uh-uh so unanimously uh- oleksiy danilov, the secretary of the defense council of the national security council, and kyrylo budanov, the head of the main intelligence directorate of the ministry of defense , also spoke, who clearly stated that only the armed forces of the defense forces will liberate crimea as the only option, and they they don't see, i paraphrased something they said, first of all, secondly, if you listen carefully to the president's speech today

, he didn't say that directly, but from the context you can see that it also says that they don't consider the only way to liberate crimea today. i understand that the opinion of the supreme and the general staff is a method of forceful liberation of crimea. as for the crimean platform, i heard the phrase preparing for de-occupation for the first time in these three meetings today. because earlier, if you recall the speeches on the first and second platform well, there was talk about uniting the world in order to liberate crimea, but no answer was given in what way, whether through diplomatic pressure or through additional sanctions and so on, but today for the first time i think ah and the previous

consonants the statements of government officials and today's speech of the president clearly indicate that the decision was made unambiguously. so, if it was pronounced, then most likely they are most likely i am sure that it is either tactical in nature and a means of certain informational pressure, a certain blow to the enemy of information, actually, now in the current situation, or it really corresponds to the plans that are set before it as a task formed by the headquarters, or perhaps already have a concrete implementation tactically. just yesterday, mr. roman reread the transcript of the national security and defense council dated february 28, 2014 , where it was about how ukraine, the ukrainian state, should act during the attempted

annexation of crimea, or rather the annexation that began in crimea, and every time i reread how turchynov convinced everyone of those present at the meeting, what should be done in what way, and he was the only one who voted for the introduction of martial law if, uh , imagine on february 22 or 23 , martial law was introduced in ukraine in 2014, would events develop in this way or in which a possible way would have been to avoid the annexation of crimea or the annexation of crimea was simply, well, in any way, because it was part of putin's plan, which was obviously already on his table

in 2013, see mr. serhiy, the lessons of 2003 in tuzla and actually what you say they they clearly say that and testify to the fact that the active actions of the top management, including the armed forces, and i want to strengthen your message here, i know that not only , let's say, this position was held by oleksandr turchynov, but it was even the general staff an appropriate operation was prepared and some units of the armed forces were brought to their starting positions; moreover, some of the above units left crimea already after the so-called referendum that took place there, so it is clear that i am

once again speaking from the lessons of 2003 on the use of force the completely adequate use of force in that situation made it impossible to seize crimea and the further development of aggressive actions and offensive actions against russia, e.e., on the territory of the luhansk and donetsk regions, mr. roman , according to you, is the world ready for ukraine to liberate crimea by military means and won't there be warnings again, as it was in 2014, that let's somehow calmly solve this issue and the main thing is that ukraine does not shoot and does not give a reason to doubt what ukraine is doing. i want to tell you correctly my opinion, that i have the impression that before the independence day , on purpose, as a result of some actions, during

the last three weeks, an output was organized in the key e-e means of mass information, and outputs under one title or content of texts related to the issue of ending the war, obtaining victory or decision-making, and many specialists of various disciplines in the a-a direction offered their vision, so it follows from this vision that there is no ambiguity in the position of the western partners and the united states , because three options are usually considered the first option is, let's say, a diplomatic solution at the negotiating table, the conclusion

of a certain agreement. combined all these materials that were printed by the pheno-feron office of the washington post, the new york times, in several european editions and so on, that is, it is necessary to clearly understand that um these preparation for the formation of a certain position on the one hand with on the other hand, this is a kind of question for the ukrainians, and it is very good that there was a reaction to this from the secretary of the national security council and the head of the main intelligence department, and today's speech by the president, which is clearly the mature position of the ukrainian side regarding whether the political community is holding somehow one position, then i would say here

a generalizing thing that washington insists on and that president biden and secretary of state gentony blin talked about that ukraine will determine the answer to this question and with from my point of view, this indicates that the hm position will provide assistance to ukraine until its victory, and secondly, that ukraine must make a decision, it obliges the ukrainian side to develop not only a proposal, but also specific tactical steps to implement this proposal, but it is already good that m i feel that the ukrainian political leadership keeps, let's say, the temperature and measures and is ready to answer and

discuss this question . a business jet that belonged to prigozhin, according to preliminary information, 10 people died there, that is, the plane was flying from moscow to st. petersburg and the plane was either shot down or it fell by itself. as well as one of the commanders of er or vk wagner and dmytro utkin well, so far it has not been confirmed either his death er or that he was on this er plane, but we can now see from the crash site how

the plane is burning, how likely is it the fact that the russians could, in principle, just two months after the mutiny, simply put this plane in the air, you understand, sergei , the situation in russia, especially with the discipline of the troops, is such that here you know the principle of an eye for an eye, remember where it was shot down, and where it was 10 people and there are 10 people here, so i do not rule out that this is just self-government and it was not so difficult to do it, so let 's wait for the final final conclusion of some line in this matter in order to analyze it later but i understand that hmm, after when the wagnerites, after the so-called mutiny and the march to moscow , shot down a plane that was only engaged in the illumination of the power illumination of the signal

of intelligence data and so on , it is clear that the wagnerites could not get away with it in any way they could have been shot down. well, it is necessary to look at the technical parameters. what happened as it happened, but this is characteristic of russia, uh, this is the way of internal clashes , and i can tell you that this moscow fuhrer is a plowman, he only rejoices in this , because he is happy when this whole she is silent in the fight for his right, they kiss his hand. she destroys each other, so there is no need for a process to judge. what is this? you understand that this is russia. it has its own traditions, its own habits, its own idiotic gangster morality, especially when

you say that utkin is there with him. a long, long time ago, they are already trying to settle accounts because it was actually from him that wagner drove him - it was from him that the name of the bandit er scoundrel came from him. well, he is already a hero of russia as well as a beauty, that is, like you and me said this the epic is far from finished, because for some they are heroes, for some they are criminals, for some they are traitors, and so on. and here the performances of alyarash have a place in the family, and we will already see tomorrow the information of the sound of this idiotic infernal rashitsky orchestra, which will be cherished by this pious moscow figure

let's go back to the planes that will be in ukraine . i hope 42 f16 fighters from malfunctions and another 16 or 19 fighters in 16 dedicated to the defense of the netherlands. the fact that they are currently discussing this topic together from denmark and so far the question of the exact number of f16s that will be provided to ukraine is still being resolved, let's hear what she said, we are working on it, we have started training ukrainian pilots and technical specialists, ukraine is working on infrastructure in the country, and the united states has already provided the first i agree. so we are all working to make it happen as soon as possible, but it will take some time , so i can't give an exact answer to mr. roman, how the f 16 will affect the position and behavior of moscow, because i remember putin talking about that if the f-16 is given to ukraine, then those airfields from which these planes will take off and these can be planes well, for example, in poland or there in

lithuania or in other countries of eastern europe, then those targets will be er for the russian army legitimate military targets for in your opinion, to what extent will the presence of the f-16 in the sky of ukraine provoke russia to strike in eastern europe? well, from my point of view, the nomination of the wagnerites to belarus was already a priori a response to the fact that in eastern europe a-a in the anglo-saxon world a-a in russia's fury is preparing sabotage, it is clear that these forces are alone sabotage actually paralyzes the use of aviation, including aviation, using airfields on the territory of these

countries, but it must be said that the strange wonder is the extent to which russia cannot help itself in the implementation of the goal that you just mentioned spoke in relation to the aviation that is currently on the territory of ukraine, from here it is obvious that the capabilities uh-uh all the issues of the impression of such objects are their uh-uh praised accuracy well, it is far from the dreamed and set goal , first of all, secondly, today i am convinced in that when saving of the current dynamics of the processes of the armed conflict, that is, military actions between nato countries and russia will continue to be so and it is only a matter of time

. the ukrainian state that can probably use airfields for takeoff of the f16 will be visible, but from my point of view, as of today , because the corresponding preparatory work will be carried out, there is an opportunity to use, including the military, over the roads in the territory ukraine, all the more understanding that the acceleration strip for this aircraft and its equipment, they allow, firstly , to have it short enough, and secondly, to have an infrastructure that is mobile in nature, this is a special feature of this aircraft. i am not talking about the fact that it also underwent training take-off on the road surface, therefore, in this regard, it is too early today to talk about the fact that this plane will actually

be the cause, but the fact that the situation there on this issue is developing in the direction of increasing tension and preparations by russia of the relevant units to attack nato countries. i have no doubt that this is confirmed, including, and unexpectedly for the world , a worsening of personal relations between putin and the president of turkey and erdogan and his father dana. i also wanted to ask you, mr. erdoğan putin in turkey, and several times the turkish media reported that putin would come to erdoğan and they would talk about the grain agreement. literally yesterday, there was a report

that erdoğan would now fly to putin in russia, is it related to putin's insult to erdogan for handing over the commanders of azov to zelenskiy chysin, and some other reason is possible, an international warrant from the international criminal court, although turkey, as far as i remember, did not join the rome statute and in principle it putin could feel at ease there, according to you, why did this aggravation happen now between putin and the state, taking into account the fact that erdağan is still one of the few people in the western world, and i still believe that he is part of the western world, which is also welcomed with he speaks and conducts some affairs, that is, i believe that the reason for this is the beginning of concerted actions between ankara and

jerusalem, the events in syria, and i ask the listeners to pay attention to the fact that recently the airfields of damascus and other cities have been bombed. sadov forces, and israel's aviation is directly related to this, and this was impossible without cooperation with turkey , because here we had to carry out maneuvers on the territory controlled by turkish troops , and in fact, this is most likely a balance moscow filler i'm not talking about the new ways of grain export proposed by ukraine sooner or later they will be accepted as a guess, although of course erdogan is interested in this being implemented through the black sea through the bosphorus, but here it is obvious and clearly add

to the fact that turkey has let boats through the bosphorus and dardanelles, border boats - this is a thing that well, it hm, let's say so, it is conditional from the point of view of the monroe convention, because the monroe convention instructs turkey to determine if objects appear that exacerbate the situation in the region, then she makes a decision, but it is obvious that there was no discussion here , all this is clear that a-a kills a certain crack in the relationship between the kremlin thinks so, between erdogan and putin although from my point of view erdoğan is a very peculiar politician, i would classify him as a generation that is leaving and he will say, as is traditional for people who don't smile, he can, as they say in our country

, bow to many parties and solve their issues, by the way, you need to do this take a closer look because everything can happen, including in the relations between ankara and kyiv, they need to be very careful when it comes to interaction with the relevant politicians , especially with such a character and such a position. of course, lavrov did not fly there . well, i think that after what happened to prigozhina's plane, i think that putin will stop flying at all, because it will be dangerous for putin and for himself . but putin did not fly to south africa. of the republics, a big summit started there today, the absence of putin at the brics summit, what does this mean, the weakening of russia's position on er and

russia's influence on the global south, there is another problem, er, mr. sergey, er, the number one thing that this event will focus on is er the escalation of the confrontation between india and china, and there were skirmishes on the border the other day, i think that it will be very difficult to hold this summit, or you have to understand that this is the leader of the country in this coordinate system, but you have to give credit to the fact that they are gathered under an umbrella russia is obvious that the absence of putin will mark the beginning of a very serious split in the bricks environment and i will be very happy if this summit will be the last summit in the fate

of this organization and i must give credit that the hindus behave very tolerantly even though are increasing their armament potential on the border with china, and i do not rule out that the situation there may escalate into a direct, wide-ranging armed conflict, in which no will be able to play , including the moscow figure, and in general , the absence of putin there is, first of all, a blow to in the interests of russia, i will explain why. because bricks actually creates an alternative financial model in the world, everyone knows that the unit of account there is the chinese yuan , which was joined by brazil , and they are already talking about it in south africa, although they are careful to understand their dependence on