[000:00:00;00] 700,000 people , how can this population change in ukraine in the post-war years? 000 people, a loss for ukraine of a million people - this is a catastrophe both in a moral sense, in a mental sense and in a simple quantitative sense for russia, as of

june 2023 in ukraine officially almost 4,900,000 internally displaced persons are registered, according to the statistics of the ministry of social policy, it is known that 60% of this number are women and 40% are men of unregistered displaced persons, another two million are any which territory does it need a certain population size in us before the war e- there were about 45 people per square kilometer, this is less than the european average , today we are interested in saving our people as much as possible, because i repeat for the millionth time, the state is not factories, it is not factories are not banks, people in the ministry of foreign affairs said that in june 2023 there were 8 million 117 thousand citizens of ukraine abroad

, one fifth of them in poland, 15 percent in the united states of america, 11% in the czech republic, almost 8%, in italy 5%, and in canada, spain and israel less than five percent, i am very afraid that after the victory, after the abolition of martial law, the reunification of families will take place , but not in ukraine, the demographic crisis cannot be avoided, the institute of demography and social research warns about this of the national academy of sciences of ukraine by the 30th year, the state's population may decrease to 35 million people, this pessimistic dynamic is influenced by the emigration of people, the increase in mortality due to the war and the decrease in the birth rate. in the first half of 2023, three times less children were born than in the same period of 2021, this is the biggest decline in during the entire period of the country's independence

, the number of babies per woman is decreasing, people are changing their lifestyles slowly with the way their parents and children lived, grandmothers and er decide to have fewer children or no children at all, we would have a much smaller population in the post-war period , according to estimates by the ministry of economy, over the next decade , an additional 4-5 million people need to be attracted to the ukrainian labor market; without this, it is impossible to successfully rebuild the country and ensure the growth of the national economy, are people gathering after the war, we asked to stay in ukraine on the streets of lviv. we want to leave. we want to study in ukraine and develop the economy here. i stayed anyway and will not leave anywhere. unequivocally i would leave now because after graduation of course stay in ukraine does it make any sense to go no we don't plan to leave we will stay in ukraine so we have

to rebuild under no circumstances and go abroad and work and with friends and it's my own business that is, i have everything here 76% of ukrainians who are in european countries and moldova intend to return to the motherland, this is evidenced by the results of a survey by the un refugee agency, as minister of finance serhii marchenko said, every month the economy of ukraine loses about two billion dollars due to the fact that millions of citizens live, work and pay taxes in other countries kateryna oliynyk andriy polikovskyi tv channel espresso thank you kateryna oliynyk we thank andriy polikovskyi for this interesting story well, we will now involve anton hrushevskyi, a sociologist and deputy director, to analyze the processes taking place in our country prince slava ukraine of the kyiv international institute of sociology

anton, we congratulate you good day to all of you and you too happy independence day but we understand that at what price independence is given to our state and, first of all, to our people, because states, as rightly noted, are first of all people, and here we see certain trends, so to speak, that indicate a certain depopulation in the coming years, mr. antony, you, as a sociologist, share , be kind your observations of certain trends, in particular, it concerns people who want to leave our country and those who want to return under any circumstances, look in fact compared to the period before the broad-based the invasion of ukraine became significantly less than those who would like to leave for western europe or north america, by the way, in october of the 20th

year in our polls, almost 30%. in general, adult ukrainians and more than 50% of young people, if there was such an opportunity, they would like to leave to live in western europe or north america in september 22, a year ago, there were already only 7% of such people, of course, some of those who just really left, but in fact, we just we see a significant decrease in the number of people who wanted to hang out and a significant increase in the number those who would like to leave and link their fate with ukraine, however, it is necessary to understand that this is all connected with a high level of optimism about the future of ukraine in our country, 90% of the population believes that in 10 years ukraine will be a member of the european union, that it is necessary to endure for several years and then this investment is compensated by a high standard of living in ukraine with good development and a good place for children, and therefore the key question is exactly what we are talking about after the victory and what will it look like after the victory, if except for honey

in a month, people will really see positive trends in changes, that is, in addition to the fact that people will stay in ukraine, that will attract and return ukrainians who are currently abroad, because the majority of ukrainians abroad are actually planning to return to ukraine, but if it is safe for those if there will be a place to work, if there will be enough conditions for living there, and all these coins, the moment is quite wild, therefore , by the way , it is quite difficult to predict everything accurately, but for now, ukrainians remain optimistic, and this inspires a certain hope for the future for us, unfortunately, the longer the war lasts, the longer some people stay abroad, the more they take root there, the more difficult it will be for them to return to ukraine, because life is already settled there, and in ukraine it is not the same and uncertain, and reconstruction is still ongoing, that is, still such nuances and, accordingly, some experts believe that after the end of the war, a part of ukrainians may not return from the west, but on the contrary , in particular, men will be able to go to their wives and be reunited with their

families there, and so ukraine will lose another part population and in view of otaki data, there were opinions, there were statements that in order to rebuild ukraine after the war , it would be necessary to attract foreign migrants, in particular , it was about a figure of several million people , your thoughts on this matter well, first of all, returning to your comment, because of this, a certain part of people will come from abroad for family reunification, and this is a completely natural process , which we must understand and treat normally. that is, it is expected that someone will want to go and reunite from another side the question is if ukraine will be a ukraine of opportunities where people will feel that they have to return to them after all, despite being rooted in the west, life in ukraine benefits are familiar and if there are opportunities, it will motivate more people to return if to the attraction of labor migrants where one of the directions is the state on the one hand, we must create a language for the return of ukrainians, on the other hand, we must understand that without

the involvement of migrants from other countries , the demographic situation will really be more difficult in ukraine, we must make ukraine attracted, decide for those who will come, but here the question of the attitude of the population arises, because now ukraine , unlike the countries of europe, has not yet encountered mass immigration from countries that are less culturally related to ukraine, and the question of how the population will react now is, well, the tolerance of the population is at a fairly adequate level but this is your question, there is still no mass influx of people, when there will be an influx of people, obviously we will face a situation when intolerant xenophobic attitudes will grow and this also one of such vectors of development when we must emphasize that we are a civil ukrainian nation capable of accepting new members who can become full-fledged and adequate members of the self-ukrainian

community prospects for turning ukraine into a shelter for millions of non-lazy emigrants. so you understand that this is a story about changing the face of the country in general there are large countries like germany and they face such problems, and here the key story is, you know, what regions are they from ? well, you know, you don't want to engage in this kind of social darwinism and measure people like that, but we understand that different regions produce people of different traditions and different ways of socialization yes, for example, the longer cooperation of germany with turkish emigrants shows that the turks lend themselves to socialization, there are peoples who lend themselves less to it and , accordingly, well, we have seen certain

manifestations of this, so to speak, as you are anton grushetskyi sociologist, executive director of the kyiv international institute of sociology, we are talking about the prospects for the return of our fellow citizens with you and the prospects for the arrival of potentially new members of our community. so anton, we are asking you about representatives of different nations, so to speak, and about their ability to socialize and integrate into ukrainian society, a vivid example is this poland attracts ukrainian migrants because we see this cultural closeness and it allows ukrainians to better integrate, the same will apply to ukraine and understandably when we talk about migrants who will be easier to adapt, it is conditionally that there are christian-minded migrants and will increase white countries and the like and

cultural, but here the big question will be the pace of inflows and state policy, because if conditions are created for budget catalysis, when they will settle en masse in crowded places this will, of course, hinder integration into ukrainian society, but we must now understand with you that we would have to and would like to choose certain countries and the qualifications of migrants over the qualifications of we wanted to attract to ukraine, but we will not have the opportunity to do so. that is, there will be certain countries that are now traditionally donors of labor force. we must understand that this credit can be the middle of asia, south asia and africa, and these are the people for whom ukraine can look like an attractive place, and we we must understand in advance with which categories we will work and adjust both state bodies and public institutions and ukrainians themselves to the point that new ukrainians will appear and we

will have to do everything that is written to integrate so that they really become ukrainians at heart , because you are the most important, the most important, in fact, with whom you are there by blood origin, the possibility is that you really feel like ukrainians, members of the ukrainian community. academic conversation anton hrushevskyi, executive director of the kyiv international institute of sociology as places was now live on the espresso tv channel and now oksana and i, what are we going to pause after returning, we will talk about youth, about students, about those who study abroad, who want to study and who want to study in ukraine, about the conditions that are already being created for them so that this academic year will be fruitful and productive, please wait for a few minutes of pause and we will return in the joints and spines, osteochondrosis, gout, radiculitis, arthritis and arthrosis, with all these problems, you will find dicrasin, a product for external use, consultations by phone 0800-215

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a means for external use of dikrasin is available, consultations by phone 0800-215 349 calls are free , all this is in the program this week, judicial control with tatyana shustrova , who got into the public integrity council, a strong team of scientists, lawyers , journalists, lawyers, the tasks facing the newly formed body, the council must take part in the qualification of more than 2,000 judges watch on thursday, august 24 at 5:45 p.m. the judicial control program with tetyana shustrova on espresso tv channel, independence day of ukraine no other holiday has gained such importance in recent times, such symbolism, such simple, such a physical sense of belonging. we believe in victory, we believe that we will return to a peaceful life where there will be no sirens of arrivals, where there will be no battles, we will clear the fields

, the airports will work again, the refugees will return , we will rebuild the cities and villages dams and factories, we will heal our wounds, but there is something that we cannot change, we will not be able to return the lives of our people, our defenders , independence day of ukraine, no other holiday has gained such importance recently happy day war is going on for the independence of ukraine and not only for the territory, it is also a war for the minds russia is throwing millions of naftodors to turn ukrainians into little russians ukraine will become russia analysis and analysis of information about ukraine by russian propagandists concrete facts and methods by which enemy propaganda turns people into obedient zombies

information attacks of the russians in the project of the chronicle of the information war with olga len tuesday thursday friday at 17:10 on the espresso tv channel mykola veresen vitaly portnikov and the main the topics of the week are if it will be used against ukraine god forbid really tactical nuclear weapons will definitely change the world history problems analysis and personalities we are waiting for john gerbs is the former ambassador to the united states in ukraine thank you for the invitation if you have questions you will get answers so the question is waiting how to figure it out portnikov september that on friday at 9:15 p.m. on espresso , vasyl winter's big broadcast, two hours of airtime, two hours of your time, two hours to learn

about the war and what the world is about, 2 hours to be up to date with economic news and new sports, two hours in the company of favorite presenters, presenters who have become familiar to many, as well as distinguished guests of the studio, the events of the day in two hours , vasyl zimi's big broadcast, a project for the intelligent and those who care, in the evening, at the most express, the armed forces of ukraine are advancing in the direction of bakhmut in the face of desperate resistance the enemy was informed about this by the deputy minister of defense of ukraine, hanna malyarna, in the kupyan direction , the russians continue to carry out numerous circumstances, try to hit the infrastructure because it continues, our soldiers are destroying the enemy, they have his plans in the direction of liman , the enemy is successfully storming our positions in the area in the silver forestry areas of the flint belyhorivka of the luhansk region , with an omen to regroup and replace the troops, a special project ukraine the price of freedom, now

we will talk about education, more than 48,000 ukrainians are currently studying in polish higher education institutions, this is the largest group among all foreigners in poland. the war in ukraine significantly increased the demand for education abroad, and this year students from ukraine in poland has increased by 12,000 people, mostly boys, 62% of all students are boys, what are the plans of ukrainian students in poland and what do they think about their future ? more than 43% of them are ukrainians. mostly foreigners choose universities in warsaw or its surroundings, because every year you can meet a lot of applicants from ukraine here. matvii

from kyiv is 17 and the other day he decided during his student life , the guy entered three polytechnic universities in poland and the kyiv polytechnic institute, as a result he chose the warsaw polytechnic. two years, i will choose just the specialty eh , i will choose artificial intelligence thanks to the polish state program to support ukrainians, the boy had the opportunity to enter a prestigious university for free the form of study, of course , this was preceded by a competition, matvii had high points in the tattoo and nm, he also successfully passed the written and oral exam in the polish language . we found something in common and therefore the conversation would go much easier from the second year matvii is already planning to combine his studies with work at it if there is

such an opportunity, it is difficult to make longer-term plans now, the guy admits now, although it is difficult to predict anything here, i would like to study and then probably return to ukraine . but again, it will be five years from now. i don't know. i like poland in principle, but it still doesn't have the feeling that you would at home at least now maybe i don't live much maybe over time something will change but still somehow it's cool but on a visit it's good at home it's better in poland you can also meet a lot of boys and girls who will enter universities only in a year or even two and is already preparing for this, namely they are learning the language, for example dmytro is 15 years old he lives in kharkiv with his parents and came to warsaw for a conditional camp in the future i want to finish my school in kharkiv and enter the warsaw medical

university i really like the profession of a doctor and i want to help people i decided it a long time ago and i feel that this is my profession. and i still have to study for it . dmytro plans to become a cardiologist or a burg and already has a clear vision of his future. i want to continue, as i said, to study in warsaw at in english and then do an internship if everything works out in england and work there, almost all of them who currently live in poland plan to study here , for example, vladislava purposefully entered the school of the karazin university at the faculty of journalism, i will study by correspondence because this is a year there according to some for any reason, we stay here in warsaw, because there he will meet his studies in morshyn, and later on

, it is possible that somehow he will be able to transfer as a full-time student, but for now. so, as soon as there is an opportunity , vladyslav wants to return to his native kharkiv is where i will study and work in the future, i love my city very much and well, i can’t imagine living for a long time somewhere in other cities, and i want to, i want to study there, i want to talk about my city , like, there might be something more there , there might be more acquaintances there, too however, the number of ukrainians who want to get a higher education in poland is increasing, this year they are 100% more than last year, says the coordinator of the ukrainian-polish education center junior pl comparing last year, one can say that people now if they were more rational when choosing a particular specialty unfortunately , in the 22nd year, more emotions prevailed and people

wanted to protect themselves first of all from war now , too, if this factor is also very important, but people are already starting to choose because they also have a period of time and they could think about it to choose one or another specialty that suits them more. most applicants from ukraine in poland are interested in specialties related to the it sphere, as well as economics and medicine maria chernyakhivska ihor antonyuk for the espresso tv channel from warsaw, we are now adding to our information day serhiy kvitka, president of the national university of kyiv-mohyla academy, ex-minister of education and science of ukraine, glory to ukraine , mr. serhiy, congratulations, i congratulate everyone on independence day. this is how we understand the price of the true independence of ukraine and we understand that at the same time we are trying to predict the next events, but a couple of minutes ago we

were contacted by a sociologist, the executive director of the city commission, yes, and we understand that we really need to return our applicants to ukraine because it is about the strategic future of our country , and mr. serhiy, how can we make it so that ukrainian boys and girls want to study in universities not in warsaw, but in universities of approximately the same quality as the ukrainian ones, namely , they chose ukrainian ones? so, this is an interesting question. well, actually now the ukrainian language is not only in warsaw in poland, but you mentioned london there, but also in the united states and in canada and in australia and in continental europe in other countries. that is, of course, this is a significant challenge, i would call it more of a challenge than a problem because it is good that they have the opportunity to learn and of course the ukrainian state must do everything to

use their knowledge and skills to its advantage and so that ukraine becomes very contextual in the modern world. so, these people will know a and communicate professionally in different languages , that is, our main task is to change the country, change society, carry out reforms and make ukraine so attractive after the war that and all these people wanted to return to ukraine and work here self-realization, that is, this is a very big task. well, starting with the reform of the educational sphere, of course, it is necessary to do so, but it is not a question of prospects, it is not a question after the end of the war, that is , there should already be a concept of some kind, the war has been going on for a year and a half , and we understood, unlike some, that it is not for a week, not for two or three days, but for a little

while, and the time continues accordingly. what is currently happening in the ministry, so what is happening in the relevant structures, what are the plans for the coming years, in order, first of all, to encourage young people and young minds to return to the country to study in ukrainian educational institutions and already having this baggage of knowledge to rebuild the country e-e new and better than it was because not everything was so super fantastic in our country and this also applies to the opportunity to study offline and not online because we understand that, in particular, doctors yes or some other specialties, studying online does not mean acquiring very thorough and high-quality knowledge, which can then be put into practice well, you have literally three minutes, there are such questions, there are such moments, there are problems of an objective nature. and regarding the fact that

to study offline, of course, i think that the next year of study will actually be from next week. practically all institutions of higher education that have the opportunity to work in ukraine will try to take as many students and teachers offline as possible, but there are objective restrictions, for example, related to shelters how many a-a how many on how many members of the university community, let's say the university can provide shelter and so on, that is, but this is a working issue they are not the main thing the main thing is that we have a vision so that we understand what the country should be like if we are talking now about universities and the government of course war is on the agenda and mostly everyone is thinking about it and working to work for our victory, that is, to support the front and so on that's what i think that there is a significant number of people who understand that it is necessary to think prognostically and to think

about what ukraine should be like after the victory, we have enough intellectuals. the opinion is that the main thing is that the main factor is not a call and you just return . yes, you don't need to worry that these people are now abroad, every war pushes a lot of people abroad for various reasons, so these people have the opportunity to study, they are safe and we need to return them, we can return them if ukraine becomes attractive for them. that is, we need to carry out all the reforms that we know about. that is, we formulated them for every industry, and ukraine must change. everyone will support us, that is, we will have support. we must be contextual, i.e., ukraine should give such a message to the world, therefore, to the world, intellectual, valuable, that is, what should this world be like, even we have to think about it, everyone is looking at us, that is, the world is now such that we

have come out of some point a-a that remained in the past and last year actually and we are moving to another destination and no one knows where we are going , that is, what should we call it, what should this world be, what should be the security system, what concepts will explain the future world, that is, i think that we must also actively participate in to such an international i would say to the intellectual life that if we talk about poland specifically well, let's get to the specifics , then poland even before the war it received masses of ukrainian applicants to its universities and it was we who saved their higher education system to a large extent because polish people are not school graduates, they oriented themselves in western universities when poland became part of the european union, that is, everyone has their own problems. that is not the main thing, the main thing

is that we understand that we were sure that our